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2010-10-26 05:31:16 PM
Forgot income tax, establishment clause, asking census questions other than number of occupants, habeas corpus applies to non-citizens, judicial review...
 
2010-10-26 05:32:52 PM
Amazing that not a single thing on that list is popular amongst Republicans. It's almost as if their definition of unconstitutional is "The Democrats support it"
 
2010-10-26 05:35:59 PM
Aarontology: Amazing that not a single thing on that list is popular amongst Republicans. It's almost as if their definition of unconstitutional is "The Democrats support it"

Your post is unconstitutional.
 
2010-10-26 05:36:07 PM
um...do the tea party people realize that if we took away social security, medicare/medicade and/or unemployment that we'd have riots in the streets within days of the repeal?

we've got something like a 27% unemployment rate right now. once you're on unemployment, you pretty much stay there 'cause nobody is hiring these days. the only thing keeping those unemployed people from torching cities and looting/pillaging wantonly is that they can feed themselves, their kids and aren't out in the cold with no options. I might not LIKE unemployment, but I more than recognize it's usefulness as a means of social control.
 
2010-10-26 05:38:13 PM
Weaver95: we've got something like a 27% unemployment rate right now.

Something like it in that 27 and the actual number are both numbers, but other than that, not so much.
 
2010-10-26 05:38:28 PM
mrshowrules: Your post is unconstitutional.

My right to post was written on the back. It reads "The rights of Aarontology to snark, biatch, moan, and occasionally make interesting points on ye olde internet shall not be infringed"

Most people don't know it because Jacob Shallus fell asleep and knocked over some ink.
 
2010-10-26 05:40:59 PM
Aarontology: mrshowrules: Your post is unconstitutional.

My right to post was written on the back. It reads "The rights of Aarontology to snark, biatch, moan, and occasionally make interesting points on ye olde internet shall not be infringed"

Most people don't know it because Jacob Shallus fell asleep and knocked over some ink.


I'm a strict constructionist when it comes to the Constitution.

/I don't know what that means actually
//Canadian
///still knows more about the Constitution than most tea baggers
 
2010-10-26 05:42:38 PM
I've got two words for Tea Party supporters: Whiskey Rebellion. Look it up.
 
2010-10-26 05:42:56 PM
If you assholes elect that Miller idiot I swear to Christ we're giving you back to Russia.
 
2010-10-26 05:45:07 PM
I'm surprised they don't consider the Constitution unconstitutional.
 
2010-10-26 05:45:11 PM
Separation of church and state
 
2010-10-26 05:45:12 PM
mrshowrules: /I don't know what that means actually

It means "I'm against all the things in America that aren't in the Constitution except for the things I like"
 
2010-10-26 05:45:25 PM
I'm amazed they could narrow the list down that small.
 
2010-10-26 05:45:57 PM
Also, where is the Louisiana Purchase on this list? Or the Eisenhower Interstate Highway System? Or the Air Force?
 
2010-10-26 05:46:41 PM
sweetmelissa31: Separation of church and state

To be fair, CTRL+F doesn't find concepts.
 
2010-10-26 05:50:10 PM
Weaver95: 27% unemployment rate

I like how you specifically target one group to make it worse than it really is. The only group that is that high is under 20.
 
2010-10-26 05:53:07 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: 27% unemployment rate

I like how you specifically target one group to make it worse than it really is. The only group that is that high is under 20.


our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

putting that aside for the moment, the tea baggers are nuts if they want to repeal and/or end unemployment payments. we'd have riots and dead CEOs inside of a year. sooner actually, once people couldn't feed their kids anymore.
 
2010-10-26 05:58:18 PM
Weaver95: our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

Hey look, Weaver's moving the goalposts and changing the subject!
 
2010-10-26 05:59:16 PM
Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: 27% unemployment rate

I like how you specifically target one group to make it worse than it really is. The only group that is that high is under 20.

our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

putting that aside for the moment, the tea baggers are nuts if they want to repeal and/or end unemployment payments. we'd have riots and dead CEOs inside of a year. sooner actually, once people couldn't feed their kids anymore.


So you're saying it's not all bad?

Seriously though, the sheer stupidity of people who wax poetic on things they know absolutely nothing about (specifically, teabaggers and the Constitution) is mind-numbing, and the candidates they all back are symptoms of the sprint to ignorance that has taken over the right wing these days.
 
2010-10-26 06:01:43 PM
Its been done before, but this conservation reminds me of this:

TheOnion (new window)
 
2010-10-26 06:01:56 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

Hey look, Weaver's moving the goalposts and changing the subject!


I swear, i'm gonna have to start drawing you pictures and using fingerpainting to get higher level concepts down to your level.
 
2010-10-26 06:02:17 PM
GAT_00: I like how you specifically target one group to make it worse than it really is. The only group that is that high is under 20.

To be fair, unemployment numbers don't take into account people who gave up looking for jobs, so they're going to underestimate the percent of people actually out of work. Although I still don't think it's that high.
 
2010-10-26 06:04:53 PM
The United Nations? I'm confused.
 
2010-10-26 06:06:24 PM
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

Hey look, Weaver's moving the goalposts and changing the subject!

I swear, i'm gonna have to start drawing you pictures and using fingerpainting to get higher level concepts down to your level.


Higher level concepts like you claiming that 27% is the unemployment rate when really it's the unemployment rate of under 20s?
 
2010-10-26 06:06:59 PM
tnpir:
Seriously though, the sheer stupidity of people who wax poetic on things they know absolutely nothing about (specifically, teabaggers and the Constitution) is mind-numbing, and the candidates they all back are symptoms of the sprint to ignorance that has taken over the right wing these days.


I mean I just don't get it. how can the tea baggers admit that we've got rampant unemployment and then turn around and say they want to destroy the social safety network currently in place? Dear God, i'm about as Ayn Rand as you can get and even I know that simply cutting off the government checks would cause massive social unrest. it's like the tea baggers lack even the ability to understand the consequences their ideas would have if they ever put them into action.
 
2010-10-26 06:09:10 PM
YOU'RE UNCONSTITUTIONAL! YOU'RE UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
THIS WHOLE DAMNED COUNTRY IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!!

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-10-26 06:10:50 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

Hey look, Weaver's moving the goalposts and changing the subject!

I swear, i'm gonna have to start drawing you pictures and using fingerpainting to get higher level concepts down to your level.

Higher level concepts like you claiming that 27% is the unemployment rate when really it's the unemployment rate of under 20s?


oh it's much higher than that. in fact, the more you dig into the numbers, the worse the picture gets.

makes your skin itch, don't it? we're basically boned and despite the fact that it took us decades to get into this mess, Obama and the Democrats are gonna get blamed for it. that's why I don't blame you for wanting to play silly buggers with the data - it's an election year after all, and this is a hot button issue.

chill dude, back down off the guns. it's ok to admit we're f*cked without having to be all defensive about it.
 
2010-10-26 06:12:14 PM
Weaver95: oh it's much higher than that

Wait, you think that the unemployment rate is much higher than 27%? OK, now I'm curious. Why do you think that?
 
2010-10-26 06:14:46 PM
Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

Hey look, Weaver's moving the goalposts and changing the subject!

I swear, i'm gonna have to start drawing you pictures and using fingerpainting to get higher level concepts down to your level.

Higher level concepts like you claiming that 27% is the unemployment rate when really it's the unemployment rate of under 20s?

oh it's much higher than that. in fact, the more you dig into the numbers, the worse the picture gets.

makes your skin itch, don't it? we're basically boned and despite the fact that it took us decades to get into this mess, Obama and the Democrats are gonna get blamed for it. that's why I don't blame you for wanting to play silly buggers with the data - it's an election year after all, and this is a hot button issue.

chill dude, back down off the guns. it's ok to admit we're f*cked without having to be all defensive about it.


Quit changing the topic with scare tactics and freaking admit you were wrong, alright?
 
2010-10-26 06:19:18 PM
Not constitutional: Government punishing businesses for not paying the minimum wage.

Constitutional: Government punishing a dude who puts his peen in another dude.

So constitutional it farking hurts: Government punishing a 10 year old kid by crushing his testicles as a negotiating tactic to make sure the kid's father dos not know of any terrorist activities.
 
2010-10-26 06:36:07 PM
DamnYankees: The United Nations? I'm confused.

THEM BLUEHELMETS ARE GONNA TAKE OUR GUNS AND FREEDOM AND ESTABLISH A SOCIALIST NEW WORLD ORDER!
 
2010-10-26 06:37:20 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Hey look, Weaver's moving the goalposts and changing the subject!

Drink!
 
2010-10-26 06:38:02 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: cameroncrazy1984: Weaver95: our unemployment rate sucks balls and you know it. I realize you're all itchy about it and I understand why you're gunshy about acknowleding the problem, but the point is that we're not hiring and it's causing us a LOT of problems.

Hey look, Weaver's moving the goalposts and changing the subject!

I swear, i'm gonna have to start drawing you pictures and using fingerpainting to get higher level concepts down to your level.

Higher level concepts like you claiming that 27% is the unemployment rate when really it's the unemployment rate of under 20s?

oh it's much higher than that. in fact, the more you dig into the numbers, the worse the picture gets.

makes your skin itch, don't it? we're basically boned and despite the fact that it took us decades to get into this mess, Obama and the Democrats are gonna get blamed for it. that's why I don't blame you for wanting to play silly buggers with the data - it's an election year after all, and this is a hot button issue.

chill dude, back down off the guns. it's ok to admit we're f*cked without having to be all defensive about it.

Quit changing the topic with scare tactics and freaking admit you were wrong, alright?


Is he? What is the actual rate, including people no longer counted because they quit looking, and people that were never counted because of their employment or immigration status?

I honestly don't know, but I'll reserve critical judgement on Weaver's estimation until I've heard a detailed argument on the subject. It's not entirely an academic matter- Historically, once you start to crest about 22-25%, all sorts of ugly social shiat starts rearing it's head (like xenophobi or disaffected youth blowing themselves up for a cause).
 
2010-10-26 07:00:02 PM
unyon:
I honestly don't know, but I'll reserve critical judgement on Weaver's estimation until I've heard a detailed argument on the subject. It's not entirely an academic matter- Historically, once you start to crest about 22-25%, all sorts of ugly social shiat starts rearing it's head (like xenophobi or disaffected youth blowing themselves up for a cause).


if you count EVERYONE who's out of work, then we're above 27%. how far above that number is anyone's guess, since the Fed gets a bit weird about that sort of data, especially during an election year.

But nobody wants to count everyone who's unemployed, thats the sort of political hot potato that gets you out of office real quick.
 
2010-10-26 07:03:59 PM
sweetmelissa31: GAT_00: I like how you specifically target one group to make it worse than it really is. The only group that is that high is under 20.

To be fair, unemployment numbers don't take into account people who gave up looking for jobs, so they're going to underestimate the percent of people actually out of work. Although I still don't think it's that high.


He's citing U6 numbers. Those include everyone.
 
2010-10-26 07:10:51 PM
GAT_00: He's citing U6 numbers. Those include everyone.

Whereas U2 numbers include unos, dos, tres, catorce.
 
2010-10-26 07:18:46 PM
the U.S. dept of Offense is also not in the constitution.
I don't recall any of the founding fathers too keen on invasion and occupation of foreign nations that haven't attacked you based on gut feelings and fear.
 
2010-10-26 07:27:10 PM
Hobodeluxe: I don't recall any of the founding fathers too keen on invasion and occupation of foreign nations that haven't attacked you based on gut feelings and fear.

Honestly, I don't think they'd be big fans of us having a standing army at all.
 
2010-10-26 07:28:45 PM
Weaver95: ven I know that simply cutting off the government checks would cause massive social unrest

That is what they want.

Many teabaggers are Klan. They have been wanting to have a race war for half a century.
 
2010-10-26 07:38:02 PM
BKITU: GAT_00: He's citing U6 numbers. Those include everyone.

Whereas U2 numbers include unos, dos, tres, catorce.


Okay, I lol'd.
 
2010-10-26 07:42:12 PM
BKITU: GAT_00: He's citing U6 numbers. Those include everyone.

Whereas U2 numbers include unos, dos, tres, catorce.


el oh el.
 
2010-10-26 07:42:52 PM
Its funny how Conservatives believe the Constitution is sacred...until they want to change it because of brown babies.

conservatives want to repeal 14th amendment (new window)
 
2010-10-26 08:11:27 PM
I will quote Farker timujin from another thread today, because it sums things up nicely:

"I know of no true conservatives currently in public office, rather we have people who believe the government should be fiscally conservative unless it's spending money on their pet projects, that government should stay out of people's business unless they don't like what you're doing, or that government should be small, except where it should be big."
 
2010-10-26 08:12:28 PM
make me some tea: I will quote Farker timujin from another thread today, because it sums things up nicely:

"I know of no true conservatives currently in public office, rather we have people who believe the government should be fiscally conservative unless it's spending money on their pet projects, that government should stay out of people's business unless they don't like what you're doing, or that government should be small, except where it should be big."


That *is* conservatism.
 
2010-10-26 08:15:11 PM
DamnYankees: make me some tea: I will quote Farker timujin from another thread today, because it sums things up nicely:

"I know of no true conservatives currently in public office, rather we have people who believe the government should be fiscally conservative unless it's spending money on their pet projects, that government should stay out of people's business unless they don't like what you're doing, or that government should be small, except where it should be big."

That *is* conservatism.


I dunno... I sort of like Ike.
 
2010-10-26 08:17:26 PM
actualhuman: I dunno... I sort of like Ike.

You like him because he wasn't very conservative. Don't confuse Republican with conservative.
 
2010-10-26 08:41:24 PM
Weaver95: EVERYONE

From newborns to great-great-great grandmothers?
 
2010-10-26 08:43:41 PM
DamnYankees: actualhuman: I dunno... I sort of like Ike.

You like him because he wasn't very conservative. Don't confuse Republican with conservative.


dont confuse the pre-civil rights act gop with the post civil rights act gop.
 
2010-10-26 08:49:22 PM
BKITU: GAT_00: He's citing U6 numbers. Those include everyone.

Whereas U2 numbers include unos, dos, tres, catorce. Where the Streets Have No Name


Fixed.

DamnYankees: actualhuman: I dunno... I sort of like Ike.

You like him because he wasn't very conservative. Don't confuse Republican with conservative.


Actually, Ike was a conservative. He would fit in nicely with what England is doing right now. The stupid we have today are Republicans, not conservatives.
 
2010-10-26 09:01:59 PM
impaler: Forgot income tax, establishment clause, asking census questions other than number of occupants, habeas corpus applies to non-citizens, judicial review...

You forgot the Full Faith and Credit Clause and enumerated powers
 
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