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(Breitbart.com)   "How minimum wage laws helped ruin the moviegoing experience." And here I thought that was all the shiatty movies we were getting nowadays   (bighollywood.breitbart.com) divider line 82
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2010-10-23 02:07:40 PM  
"How minimum wage laws ending slavery helped ruin the moviegoing experience." And here I thought that was all the shiatty movies we were getting nowadays

ftfy subby.

actually it's the fact that they've oversaturated their market and have to compete with hdtvs and blu-rays. not to mention the internet piracy.
 
2010-10-23 03:02:55 PM  
It's a Breitbart link parading as a general news piece, but that doesn't stop them from towing their ultra-conservative anti-fartbama ultra-free-market agenda.

I don't know how you can seriously argue that a $7.25 minimum wage is too high. It's about half what is needed for a living wage.

And I'm pretty sure the problem with most movie theaters is that non-matinee tickets are now $10-$12 in most places, plus popcorn in the $6 range and a soda in the $4 range. For a family of four, you're talking upwards of $80 to go to the theater. With those kinds of prices, plus giant stadium seating theaters, don't tell me you can't afford a few ushers at $7.25.

TL;DR: Shut up breitbart.
 
2010-10-23 03:13:20 PM  
How minimum wage laws helped... the moviegoing experience.

/Breitbarted
 
2010-10-23 03:13:55 PM  
Wait, we're seriously greenlighting this tarded breitbart link that says nothing intelligent, nothing novel, nothing new, and just takes cheap swings at the left, in the guise of a "showbiz" story?

We're going live with it in the Showbiz tab?

Mods asleep at the wheel. Read the article before greenlighting: It says:

* No one likes movies because people talk and cell phones ring.
* This happens cause there's no ushers!
* There's no ushers because they don't add more value than the minimum-wage cost of paying them.
* Thus the minimum wage is too high.
* The liberals are always the ones raising the minimum wage.
* Liberals ruined movie theaters!
 
2010-10-23 03:21:50 PM  
um...is it just me or did that article not make a lick of sense?
 
2010-10-23 03:38:26 PM  
Weaver95: um...is it just me or did that article not make a lick of sense?

It was written by Breit Bart. What did you expect, thought or foaming at the anus?
 
2010-10-23 03:44:49 PM  
If you can't make a business work paying people a paltry $7.25/hr, perhaps instead of whining that you're not allowed to pay slave wages, take it as your cue that you suck at running a business.
 
2010-10-23 03:52:42 PM  
What a poorly written bullshiat article.

That being said, learn the difference between words when writing an article.

For example (FTA): Memorably, one of the cops thinks it over, and wonders whether the shooter could beat the wrap with a plea of justifiable homicide.

It's beat the rap.
 
2010-10-23 04:17:03 PM  
Bathia_Mapes: What a poorly written bullshiat article.

That being said, learn the difference between words when writing an article.

For example (FTA): Memorably, one of the cops thinks it over, and wonders whether the shooter could beat the wrap with a plea of justifiable homicide.

It's beat the rap.


but... but... spell check didn't tell me the wrong word was being used!!!

/spell check = lowering the bar for idiots to a hole new level

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2010-10-23 04:19:42 PM  
xiaodown: Wait, we're seriously greenlighting this tarded breitbart link that says nothing intelligent, nothing novel, nothing new, and just takes cheap swings at the left, in the guise of a "showbiz" story?

We're going live with it in the Showbiz tab?

Mods asleep at the wheel. Read the article before greenlighting: It says:

* No one likes movies because people talk and cell phones ring.
* This happens cause there's no ushers!
* There's no ushers because they don't add more value than the minimum-wage cost of paying them.
* Thus the minimum wage is too high.
* The liberals are always the ones raising the minimum wage.
* Liberals ruined movie theaters!


Good point. You can't simultaneously claim that everything that causes people not to go to movies could be ameliorated with an usher, and also that an usher is not worth $7.15/hour. Hell... if adding ushers actually packed out theaters for $10 movies, they would probably be worth $100/hour!
 
2010-10-23 04:30:10 PM  
So, his argument is that service nowadays sucks, that too many unemployable people work in retail, entertainment, hospitality, etc., and that it's all because of the minimum wage? So if people start working for $3-4/hr you think your movie-going experience will be better?
 
2010-10-23 04:32:02 PM  
Fark It: So, his argument is that service nowadays sucks, that too many unemployable people work in retail, entertainment, hospitality, etc., and that it's all because of the minimum wage? So if people start working for $3-4/hr you think your movie-going experience will be better?

To clarify: If you do away with the minimum wage, the shiatty service you're getting now will be even shiattier.
 
2010-10-23 04:33:51 PM  
Oh this idiot again.

bighollywood.breitbart.com

/surprised he didn't blame it on satan
 
2010-10-23 04:34:18 PM  
The author is a whiny douche. There are plenty of 21+ theaters out there, at least in some areas, that serve beer and have table service. It's a great way to do dinner and a movie, and the admission price is usually cheaper since they expect you to buy a few beers while you're there.

And at least at the place my friend works at, he does very well for himself. He gets tips from all those beers just like a bartender anywhere else in town.

The reality he's looking for is out there. If it's not, he's missing a local business opportunity. Apparently he's just another lazy conservative who complains rather than filling the market gap they're complaining about.
 
2010-10-23 04:38:27 PM  
I'm sure it has nothing to do with that 60 inch flatscreen in your living room.
 
2010-10-23 04:52:34 PM  
xiaodown: Wait, we're seriously greenlighting this tarded breitbart link that says nothing intelligent, nothing novel, nothing new, and just takes cheap swings at the left, in the guise of a "showbiz" story?

People on the Politics tab, in general, know better than to click on Breitbart links. The mods have had to resort to shiatting up the other tabs with them to try and drive a few more unique visitors to ol' Andrew.

See also links to Breitbart's Big Government site being disguised behind "some guy" tags.
 
2010-10-23 04:52:42 PM  
Actually, at least one movie theater chain is booming (new window)
 
2010-10-23 04:57:29 PM  
Hobodeluxe: "How minimum wage laws ending slavery helped ruin the moviegoing experience." And here I thought that was all the shiatty movies we were getting nowadays

ftfy subby.

actually it's the fact that they've oversaturated their market and have to compete with hdtvs and blu-rays. not to mention the internet piracy.


Just so we are clear, that was a "black people talk too much at the movies" correction, right?
 
2010-10-23 05:00:48 PM  
I believe that it comes down to being cheap.

If self-service petrol is $2.50/gal but full-service is $2.65/gal, that cheap old bastard driving the '82 T-bird is going to pump it himself.

Same goes with movie tickets. If you look in the paper and see two identical movies playing, but the ticket price at the theater with the ushers is 50¢ more, I bet that a lot of people will go for the cheaper option.

It has little to do with minimum wages and more to do with the modern obsession of getting a product for the lowest price, regardless of the difference in quality. Think that cordless drill at Wal-Mart is a better deal than the one at Sears? I bet that there is a subtle difference in the part number, with the Wal-Mart one being made with inferior components.

I've seen people go with a much inferior product when the difference in cost was less than 10%. Cheap farking bastards. That's one reason why nothing lasts these days - nobody cares about the MTBF of a product.

Same goes with service. Nobody wants to pay for it. Even in places where it is mandated, like pumping fuel in Oregon, it is the bare minimum of service, so it is slow. I could pump it myself faster, those places are so understaffed.

As for minimum wage laws, before you start to tear them apart, how about if you do a little research and find the average wage of an usher or petrol attendant back in 1960 and then adjust it for inflation. Is it still below today's minimum wage? No? Then shut the fark up.
 
2010-10-23 05:03:15 PM  
We're hiding Breitbarts wingnuttery in the Showbiz section now?

Hey, subby:

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2010-10-23 05:03:49 PM  
FTA: One of the marvels of classic movies is that they remind us of a glorious time in America when service - true, wonderful, humane service - hadn't yet been brutally legislated out of existence by do-gooder liberals. Real, live, friendly, English-speaking humans used to answer your phone calls whenever you called a business. They used to bag your groceries and carry them to your car. They would check your oil and pump your gas at the station, or carry your luggage through airports or up to your room at hotels. Old movies featuring department stores show armies of employees manning every department.

So, what he's saying is that the answer to outsourcing jobs to other countries for cheaper labour is to eliminate the minimum wage and start offering jobs to Americans for slave labour wages. Interesting quasi-solution. I guess creating jobs is the priority to him, even if people can't actually survive on those jobs.

Guess you just have to be boot-strappy and pick up two or three of those jobs if you want to live in a structure more secure than a cardboard box.
 
2010-10-23 05:14:51 PM  
xiaodown: I don't know how you can seriously argue that a $7.25 minimum wage is too high. It's about half what is needed for a living wage.

Not every single job should be held by adults trying to earn a "living wage". Movie ushers, bag boys, etc. were jobs held by teenagers just trying to get a little spending money.

But that said, I doubt movie ushers would have survived at any wage level that would have made the job worth while.
 
2010-10-23 05:19:14 PM  
I don't know why you guys are all so upset, that was a some pretty good satire.

It was satire right? Please tell me it was satire.
 
2010-10-23 05:20:59 PM  
Lets kill all wage laws everywhere. Then the four people left who can actually afford to go to the movies and thus absorb the remaining costs can pay fifty dollars a ticket for the ultra-rare luxury while stinking rib-caged children collecting stale pop-corn subsidies to take home to thier night-cells wait on thier every desire, as they should, as they should be grateful to do...

Just another soft right-wing fat ass weeping into the vacancy where his exalted exclusive status is supposed to be, all because he "knows" his work is "so" much harder and more worthy than everyone else's.
 
2010-10-23 05:21:22 PM  
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2010-10-23 05:28:37 PM  
authenticryan: Lets kill all wage laws everywhere. Then the four people left who can actually afford to go to the movies and thus absorb the remaining costs can pay fifty dollars a ticket for the ultra-rare luxury while stinking rib-caged children collecting stale pop-corn subsidies to take home to thier night-cells wait on thier every desire, as they should, as they should be grateful to do...

Just another soft right-wing fat ass weeping into the vacancy where his exalted exclusive status is supposed to be, all because he "knows" his work is "so" much harder and more worthy than everyone else's.


11/10.

That's some good trollin' right there. I suspect you'll get more than few bites.
 
2010-10-23 05:30:54 PM  
xiaodown: I don't know how you can seriously argue that a $7.25 minimum wage is too high. It's about half what is needed for a living wage.

Thing is that for some people, they don't need a "living wage". When I was 18 and living with my parents I didn't need a "living wage". I needed the money for booze, cigarettes and records.

Despite some of the early nonsense in that piece, he's quite right that minimum wages destroy jobs.

Let's say you're a cinema selling tickets. It might be that you can get some IVR (Interactive Voice Response) software that works out at an equivalent of $6.50/hour for the hours you need it to run. You'd rather hire a person because you get more sales, and you value the lost sales from IVR at $0.50/hour. So, in order to go for a person, the most you'll pay is $7/hour.

There's a woman you know who's been a housewife. Kids have left home. Husband works. You'd like to employ her at $7/hour. She'd do the job at that rate rather than earning $0/hour like she is right now. She can get some work experience on her CV and earn a little money for herself. But, despite the fact that you'd like to hire her at that rate, and despite the fact that she'd like to do the job at that rate, the government says that you can't. So, you end up doing something that's not good for her, your business, or your customers, and that's getting a farking IVR system in.
 
2010-10-23 05:31:43 PM  
xiaodown: And I'm pretty sure the problem with most movie theaters is that non-matinee tickets are now $10-$12 in most places, plus popcorn in the $6 range and a soda in the $4 range. For a family of four, you're talking upwards of $80 to go to the theater. With those kinds of prices, plus giant stadium seating theaters, don't tell me you can't afford a few ushers at $7.25.
====================================================

The problem: If you honestly buy concessions, you're too much of an idiot to be declaring how expensive it is.
 
2010-10-23 05:32:39 PM  
DrewCurtisJr: Not every single job should be held by adults trying to earn a "living wage". Movie ushers, bag boys, etc. were jobs held by teenagers just trying to get a little spending money.

I'd actually like to see a lower minimum wage for people under 21, but then that would be age discrimination.

OTOH, it is the youth that tends to protest the most violently (look at events in France this week), so it is in our best interest to make sure that they're kept busy. A young adult with a job is less likely to cause trouble than one idle in the park. An a cheaper worker is more readily hired than one more expensive, as our illegal immigration issue has shown.
 
2010-10-23 05:36:43 PM  
The reason that it's so unpleasant to go to the movies, or to do essentially anything out in public these days, is that people have no shame about acting loud and obnoxious and rude and selfish. Since those things are huge buzz-killers when you're trying to watch a movie, that's the reason people avoid it.

In the "olden days" people were collectively polite. They didn't talk incessantly during movies, they didn't shove each other while entering or exiting the theater, and they didn't fling their garbage on the floor when they were finished eating their snacks. It has nothing to do with employing ushers. You could deploys squads of ushers in each movie theater, and they still couldn't force people to shut up and be polite, because people today have a massive sense of selfish entitlement. Which Breitbart promotes, by the way: his mentality is all about selfishness.
 
2010-10-23 05:37:15 PM  
Dinjiin: it is the youth that tends to protest the most violently (look at events in France this week), so it is in our best interest to make sure that they're kept busy. A young adult with a job is less likely to cause trouble than one idle in the park.

Vietnam II: Electric Booglalo?
 
2010-10-23 05:38:22 PM  
Some logic just doesn't need to make sense.
 
2010-10-23 05:39:02 PM  
bravian: Oh this idiot again.

bighollywood.breitbart.com

/surprised he didn't blame it on satan


You sure that's a man, baby?

/with apologies to butch lesbians everywhere. Please don't suffocate me in your cowboy shirts.
 
2010-10-23 05:41:11 PM  
Lumi: You sure that's a man, baby?

FTFY
 
2010-10-23 05:42:57 PM  
RoboNerdOK: If you can't make a business work paying people a paltry $7.25/hr, perhaps instead of whining that you're not allowed to pay slave wages, take it as your cue that you suck at running a business.

The point of the article is that you can force businesses to pay people that much, and they might even be able to continue to operate with that burden, but the businesses are going to hire far fewer people so you're going to get crappier service than you used to. The same principle is at work with forcing restaurants to not use salt when preparing their food, as New York City has talked about doing. Yeah restaurants might still continue to operate, but much of the food is going to suck. You trade off feeling good about doing some public good for an inferior result.
 
2010-10-23 05:47:16 PM  
xiaodown: Wait, we're seriously greenlighting this tarded breitbart link that says nothing intelligent, nothing novel, nothing new, and just takes cheap swings at the left, in the guise of a "showbiz" story?

We're going live with it in the Showbiz tab?


Drew and the modmins love what flaming Breitbart links do to the politics tab, so they want to spread the fecal matter elsewhere.
 
2010-10-23 06:01:04 PM  
xiaodown: I don't know how you can seriously argue that a $7.25 minimum wage is too high. It's about half what is needed for a living wage.

We want teenagers and old people to do these jobs.... they don't need a living wage.... they have parents and retirement funds to live on.
 
2010-10-23 06:16:53 PM  
jjorsett: The point of the article is that you can force businesses to pay people that much, and they might even be able to continue to operate with that burden, but the businesses are going to hire far fewer people so you're going to get crappier service than you used to.

Why is this only one-sided?
Why is it only the business that gets the sympathy?

What about the employee?
The employee that can't afford anything at $7.25 an hour, let alone a $15 ticket. Pay him less, and it won't even be worth his time to drive in to work.
What about him?

Republicans biatch and moan about the need for hard work and bootstrappiness, and then they biatch and moan when people want a decent day's pay for a decent day's work.

Working poor is a shameful thing, and should not be tolerated. There is no reason a 40 hour work week should leave you hungry.
 
2010-10-23 06:18:49 PM  
Arthur Jumbles: We want teenagers and old people to do these jobs.... they don't need a living wage.... they have parents and retirement funds to live on.

Then what jobs do you propose the adults get?
All those manufacturing jobs that sit unfilled each and every day because food service is such a sought-after career?
 
2010-10-23 06:25:28 PM  
Dinjiin: An a cheaper worker is more readily hired than one more expensive, as our illegal immigration issue has shown.

And that's another side of the issue. We are in an extraordinarily bad job market now but during more normal times there's no guarantee that you would be able to attract workers at $7.25/hr or lower for a particular job.

I remember reading an article in the paper 4 or 5 years ago about the minimum wage and the reporters couldn't find anyone working at that level. The fry cook, the kid collecting grocery carts, the guy washing dishes, all made more than the minimum. So the argument that "If they would just let the theaters pay people $2/hr they would hire ushers." may not be true. The market rate for labor may still be too high.
 
2010-10-23 06:26:41 PM  
Arthur Jumbles: xiaodown: I don't know how you can seriously argue that a $7.25 minimum wage is too high. It's about half what is needed for a living wage.

We want teenagers and old people to do these jobs.... they don't need a living wage.... they have parents and retirement funds to live on.


If we really want teenagers in these jobs, then the crappy attitudes and resulting service TFA is whining about is pretty damn inevitable.
 
2010-10-23 06:32:34 PM  
MFAWG: authenticryan: Lets kill all wage laws everywhere. Then the four people left who can actually afford to go to the movies and thus absorb the remaining costs can pay fifty dollars a ticket for the ultra-rare luxury while stinking rib-caged children collecting stale pop-corn subsidies to take home to thier night-cells wait on thier every desire, as they should, as they should be grateful to do...

Just another soft right-wing fat ass weeping into the vacancy where his exalted exclusive status is supposed to be, all because he "knows" his work is "so" much harder and more worthy than everyone else's.

11/10.


That's some good trollin' right there. I suspect you'll get more than few bites.


I'm not trolling. I'm venting in the face of stupidity. People are already paid next to nothing in a world of stagnant wages and the only thing that matters to the armchair economists on that stupid site are the minor inconveniences that interrupt their recreational pampering. Some people working muktiple jobs literally have trouble getting meals on the table, but this doughy fark biatches about how minor steps to mitigate that totally ruin his experience. Poor man.

I'm embarrassed to share a species with such people.
 
2010-10-23 06:34:05 PM  
Shakin_Haitian: Weaver95: um...is it just me or did that article not make a lick of sense?

It was written by Breit Bart. What did you expect, thought or foaming at the anus?


With BB I would assume thinking about foaming anuses.
 
2010-10-23 06:35:56 PM  
The profile from the author's site says he was born 1971. He wasn't even alive back in those days.

Those corny-ass, old movies weren't a representation of reality.
 
2010-10-23 06:37:18 PM  
If we could do away with the minimum wage and know that companies wouldnt use that as an excuse to pay paltry wages to their employees, it would be great. But they would abuse the hell out of it. I really dont see any reason to think otherwise. Is there any reason? Have companies in the past shown that they will pay their employees a valid wage when there was no law concerning the minimum pay per hour for an employee? Also, going to the movies rocks, if you're gonna whine about concessions then just bring your own food.
 
2010-10-23 06:39:19 PM  
another useful idiot who probably claims to be in the pundit game for the "little Guy". There's profit in every step in the process of getting a movie to the screen but god forbid the working man or woman profit from their labor. Oh no, they should be happy to sell themselves cheap.
 
2010-10-23 06:44:48 PM  
zvoidx: The profile from the author's site says he was born 1971. He wasn't even alive back in those days.

Those corny-ass, old movies weren't a representation of reality.


I've always wondered about that. Being a nerd, BTTF's scene with the cheerful team of gas station employees that seem so damned happy to be clearing a guy's windshield. Always questioned that.
 
2010-10-23 06:51:47 PM  
Sergeant Grumbles: Why is this only one-sided?
Why is it only the business that gets the sympathy?

What about the employee?
The employee that can't afford anything at $7.25 an hour, let alone a $15 ticket. Pay him less, and it won't even be worth his time to drive in to work.
What about him?


He can choose not to work there.

It's all very well making statements about what employers should pay people, but most employers consider the value of something to their business, and if it's less than the minimum wage then they either don't do it or hire someone in China to do it for them instead.
 
2010-10-23 07:01:08 PM  
Sergeant Grumbles: Arthur Jumbles: We want teenagers and old people to do these jobs.... they don't need a living wage.... they have parents and retirement funds to live on.

Then what jobs do you propose the adults get?
All those manufacturing jobs that sit unfilled each and every day because food service is such a sought-after career?


Do you seriously believe that a majority of Americans are working minimum wage jobs?

FYI - a lot of manufacturing jobs in the US do go unfilled. The main reason being that the employers can't find enough skilled employees to fill their spots. Link (new window)
 
2010-10-23 07:11:18 PM  
jake3988: xiaodown: And I'm pretty sure the problem with most movie theaters is that non-matinee tickets are now $10-$12 in most places, plus popcorn in the $6 range and a soda in the $4 range. For a family of four, you're talking upwards of $80 to go to the theater. With those kinds of prices, plus giant stadium seating theaters, don't tell me you can't afford a few ushers at $7.25.
====================================================

The problem: If you honestly buy concessions, you're too much of an idiot to be declaring how expensive it is.


Hey, if I don't get popcorn and a Coke, it might as well not be a movie. I'm there (on the occasion that I do go) for the experience of it, the whole thing. Yeah, there's a big screen - it's 30 feet wide. It's also 60 feet away, and I have a 55 inch TV in my living room that's only 8 feet away. Yeah, it has surround sound, but so do I.

At this point, the only reason to see a movie in the theater is because it's newly released, or because you want to go for the whole experience. Well, selling concessions at war-profiteering prices is taking away one of those reasons, and I can wait to see it on blu-ray. So, I don't go anymore.

zerkalo: another useful idiot who probably claims to be in the pundit game for the "little Guy". There's profit in every step in the process of getting a movie to the screen but god forbid the working man or woman profit from their labor. Oh no, they should be happy to sell themselves cheap.

That's plutocracy capitalism at work: Profit, today, at any cost.
 
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