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(WIVB)   How do you give back to the community after a pizzeria owner commits tax fraud? You sentence him to deliver 12 sheet pizzas to the City Mission once a week for the next year, THAT'S how   (wivb.com) divider line 52
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2010-10-19 09:35:32 PM  
I didn't read the article but that sounds awesome.
 
2010-10-19 09:47:58 PM  
Yea I guess that makes up for the 100k in taxes he didn't pay.
 
2010-10-19 09:48:23 PM  
For free too? $104,000 is a lot of pizzas over just one year.
 
2010-10-19 09:48:39 PM  
and make him put that picture of Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King on the Wall of Fame!
 
2010-10-19 09:48:58 PM  
I bet those are gonna be some real quality pizzas. Should be a nice run for the driver too.
 
2010-10-19 09:50:41 PM  
Hmm.. cost of ingredients per pizza.. $3.00? x12x52 .. $1,872 in ingredients.. Say another $1,000 for labor.. $3,000 total, $5,000 tops if I'm low on the cost estimate for ingredients.

That's a pretty sweet deal.
 
2010-10-19 09:51:36 PM  
Jakevol2: and make him put that picture of Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King on the Wall of Fame!

I see what you did there

/great movie
 
2010-10-19 09:53:20 PM  
Psst Subby, there's 52 weeks in a year
 
2010-10-19 09:54:21 PM  
vicejay: Hmm.. cost of ingredients per pizza.. $3.00? x12x52 .. $1,872 in ingredients.. Say another $1,000 for labor.. $3,000 total, $5,000 tops if I'm low on the cost estimate for ingredients.

That's a pretty sweet deal.


I would assume a sheet pizza is like the kind they used to serve in gradeschool, and not your typical 14" large pizza, so the cost of ingredients is probably off a fair bit. But I doubt this was intended to cover the entire amount of back taxes. Think of this in lieu of jail-time or whatever on top of the actual amount of back taxes.
 
2010-10-19 09:54:24 PM  
Something tells me that the punishment doesn't get him out of paying the $104,000 tax bill.
 
2010-10-19 10:02:00 PM  
tankjr: Psst Subby, there's 52 weeks in a year

psst, tankjr, it's 12 pizzas every week
 
2010-10-19 10:02:49 PM  
Awesome B-Lo...keep being cool.
 
2010-10-19 10:02:55 PM  
i sure wouldnt want to be eating those pizzas.
theres gonna be all kinds of lungmeat on em.
 
2010-10-19 10:12:53 PM  
Yeah, but who gets to sheet on the pizzas?
 
2010-10-19 10:15:32 PM  
porterm: i sure wouldnt want to be eating those pizzas.
theres gonna be all kinds of lungmeat on em.


think product development, field testing, product feedback and recipe improvement this is a boon to this pizza shop if the owner was smart. you got to do it anyway, might as well make it pay.
 
2010-10-19 10:15:54 PM  
I'm guessing that he actually did cough up the taxes he owes, or at least agreed to a payment plan, so this is additional punishment.

I can't see them letting him substitute some pizzas for more than $100K in back taxes.
 
2010-10-19 10:25:51 PM  
He'll just fire a few employees and make the remaining ones work longer/harder/for less at the threat of being fired.

And people on Fark will complain about how the evil/rich business owners are shafting over the little guys!
 
2010-10-19 10:30:02 PM  
Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.
 
2010-10-19 10:31:35 PM  
I didn't read tfa either, but if he had to make good on the money and deliver the pizzas, I'd say it was a great decision on the judge's part. Otherwise, not so smart.
 
2010-10-19 10:34:05 PM  
Submitted First With a Better Headline: Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.

I doubt anyone is required to be a member of the church in order to partake of the missions handouts.
 
2010-10-19 10:38:08 PM  
Jimmysolson: Submitted First With a Better Headline: Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.

I doubt anyone is required to be a member of the church in order to partake of the missions handouts.


Aww don't go spoiling his anti-religion feelings of superiority/outrage. He was having a good time feeling smug and you're messing it up.
 
2010-10-19 10:40:29 PM  
diadelsuerte: Yea I guess that makes up for the 100k in taxes he didn't pay.

I'm sure the IRS is also going to collect its taxes & penalties. This is the sentence for the criminal side of his actions.

Submitted First With a Better Headline: Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.

Good point. He should be allowed to pick a non-religious shelter.

Jimmysolson: Submitted First With a Better Headline: Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.

I doubt anyone is required to be a member of the church in order to partake of the missions handouts.


But you get preached at. Submitted First is right, I sense First Amendment problems here.
 
2010-10-19 10:43:37 PM  
Sometimes, I just don't know enough not to slither out from where I usually lurk under the bridge.

~~ slides back to lurking position...
 
2010-10-19 10:46:05 PM  
taurusowner: Jimmysolson: Submitted First With a Better Headline: Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.

I doubt anyone is required to be a member of the church in order to partake of the missions handouts.

Aww don't go spoiling his anti-religion feelings of superiority/outrage. He was having a good time feeling smug and you're messing it up.


Yes, you can tell from my original post that I'm seething with outrage. Or maybe I'm just pointing out what I find to be objectionable about this redirection of what are essentially missing tax funds.

No, you're right. I'm crazy with anti-Christian rage.
 
2010-10-19 10:46:28 PM  
vicejay: Jakevol2: and make him put that picture of Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King on the Wall of Fame!

I see what you did there

/great movie


Fight the powers that be!
 
2010-10-19 10:49:11 PM  
Loren: But you get preached at. Submitted First is right, I sense First Amendment problems here.

I'm thankful I've never had that experience.
It's good to know someone is trying to feed the needy.
At least they won't come to my house looking for what I might have in my larder.

And now, I slip away quietly...
 
2010-10-19 10:54:03 PM  
emersonbiggins: Yeah, but who gets to sheet on the pizzas?

That made me giggle waaay more than it should have.
 
2010-10-19 10:56:05 PM  
If his pizzas are sheet why do they want more of them?
 
2010-10-19 10:58:43 PM  
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I hope the folks down at the City Mission like animal semen on their pizzas.
 
2010-10-19 11:03:47 PM  
City Mission in Buffalo was fairly separated from an religious perspective last I dealt with them in about 1999 or 2000. They were funded by local churches, but there was no ministry in what they were doing. It was simply trying to help people.
 
2010-10-19 11:04:14 PM  
taurusowner: I bet those are gonna be some real quality pizzas. Should be a nice run for the driver too.

That's the only person who's really paying for this, his employees. Some needy people get food and he gets to have someone else cook/deliver his punishment, which would've cost him money anyway.

Meanwhile his cooks/drivers are making 12 18x26 pizzas a week that won't net them anything in tips. But I bet they'll just be cheese pizzas, you can make those as fast as you can get them in the oven.
 
2010-10-19 11:13:57 PM  
We should do that with health care. We could put the doctors in camps.
 
2010-10-19 11:33:37 PM  
It's interesting to consider what some people think Separation of Church and State means.

Obviously (or not so obvious, if you're a typical idiot) this isn't language from the first amendment, but rather from Jefferson explaining how we shouldn't have a state church, and free exercise is important.

Does it go all the way to no cooperation between the government and a mission feeding the hungry? Why? That isn't what the first amendment meant when ratified.

I'd be happier if the court required the man to pay his back taxes rather than this kind of solution. Those noting this costs his drivers a lot are quite right. In most, perhaps all places, a good restaurateur is expected to pay his workers more if they can't get tips (for example, a tip based employee who gets no tables should have pay boosted to minimum wage). A tax evader is obviously not going to follow those rules.

so some judge just screwed more people in exchange for a newsworthy stunt. Oh, and did I mention it's election season? I guess he knows what he's doing.
 
2010-10-19 11:40:22 PM  
You guys don't understand. The judge HATES the homeless. How do I know? He is Mexican...and he ordered the guy to make sheet pizzas.
 
2010-10-19 11:48:37 PM  
emersonbiggins: Yeah, but who gets to sheet on the pizzas?

Hey, I didn't order this with...sausage.
 
2010-10-20 12:02:17 AM  
Hey! Who wants a piece of sheet pizza? Anyone?
 
2010-10-20 12:07:34 AM  
I would assume he also has to pay what he owes. It says the pizza sentence is in lieu of jail time, not in lieu of paying back the money.

As long as that's the case, that's actually a great idea. We're not paying to jail this idiot, and his sentence is doing something of value for the community.
 
2010-10-20 12:07:56 AM  
Looks like this is just for state taxes. Pretty sure he's had some splaining to to do to the feds too.
 
2010-10-20 12:12:25 AM  
silent sunday: Looks like this is just for state taxes. Pretty sure he's had some splaining to to do to the feds too.

The feds can be bought off with chicken wings.
 
2010-10-20 12:22:23 AM  
Jakevol2: and make him put that picture of Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King on the Wall of Fame!

You... said something funny and non-trollish...

Did you get hacked?
 
2010-10-20 12:22:45 AM  
Ther was a judge in Winona Minnesota, small college town. Somebody would come before him with say an open alcohol ticket. He'd come up with stuff like donate blood. Speeding ticket? Ok volunteer fire department is having a car wash fundraiser, you'll be there right?

I understand he had a packed court room just to see what kinda stuff he would "ask" people to do.
 
2010-10-20 12:28:29 AM  
Bio-nic: Jakevol2: and make him put that picture of Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King on the Wall of Fame!

You... said something funny and non-trollish...

Did you get hacked?


I am a well rounded person. Mind blowing ain't it?
 
2010-10-20 01:07:09 AM  
Arcanum: It's interesting to consider what some people think Separation of Church and State means.

Obviously (or not so obvious, if you're a typical idiot) this isn't language from the first amendment, but rather from Jefferson explaining how we shouldn't have a state church, and free exercise is important.

Does it go all the way to no cooperation between the government and a mission feeding the hungry? Why? That isn't what the first amendment meant when ratified.


The problem is forced cooperation. He should be free to provide the pizzas to a shelter of the faith he prefers.

I'd be happier if the court required the man to pay his back taxes rather than this kind of solution.

I strongly suspect the IRS is making him pay them.

silent sunday: Ther was a judge in Winona Minnesota, small college town. Somebody would come before him with say an open alcohol ticket. He'd come up with stuff like donate blood. Speeding ticket? Ok volunteer fire department is having a car wash fundraiser, you'll be there right?

I understand he had a packed court room just to see what kinda stuff he would "ask" people to do.


And what if the blood banks don't want your blood?
 
2010-10-20 01:23:33 AM  
Did they shoot so little of the line in the mission that they HAD to put the one second clip of the guy dropping his tray in?
 
2010-10-20 01:32:10 AM  
Loren:
Submitted First With a Better Headline: Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.

Good point. He should be allowed to pick a non-religious shelter.


You are assuming the town even has a homeless shelter that isn't run by a church or group of churches. Often the only shelters in a town are the ones run by churches.
 
2010-10-20 01:43:52 AM  
So it has to be both cruel and unusual to be unconstitutional?
 
2010-10-20 02:50:37 AM  
Hoopy Frood: So it has to be both cruel and unusual to be unconstitutional?

Yup, this is perfectly legit. Even with the first amendment bit. Forcing somebody to help feed the homeless at a shelter that, while funded by a religious group doesn't proselytize passes muster.

It's also awesome. I love hearing about judges who do stuff like this.
 
Al!
2010-10-20 03:00:31 AM  
Submitted First With a Better Headline: Cool idea, but I actually disagree with sentences involving someone being forced to donate to a religious organization.

He's not donating to the mission, he's donating to people who may or may not be able to afford a decent meal through the mission.


Loren: But you get preached at. Submitted First is right, I sense First Amendment problems here.

You can't have this illegal and Obamacare legal. Bear with me while I explain:

With Obamacare you won't be allowed to pay for your own health care, rather you will be required to pay someone to pay for you (because everyone is required by law to own a health insurance policy, and health insurance policies pay for your health care for you, for a measly pittance.) With this situation, the man is being required to give his capital (in the form of pizza) to a middle-man who may require a payment (of bended ear at best, but a payment none-the-less) from the proper recipients of the capital. The courts view is that the middle-man is neutral, in both cases, but in fact, both middle-men are profiting from the situation, and the profits are being gained through force of law. The fact that it is being levied by law is unconstitutional via the Fifth Amendment ("nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"). For Joseph Jacobi's situation, his compensation is that he won't go to jail, and I am sure that he will agree that this is just compensation. For my situation, I get a piece of paper that entitles me to pay money to someone to take care of my bills. I am perfectly capable of taking care of my own finances. This is not just compensation.
 
2010-10-20 03:58:18 AM  
It's a good day to be homeless.
 
2010-10-20 06:38:11 AM  
The business owner can deduct the expense of the pizzas from his taxes.
 
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