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2010-10-19 10:21:20 AM
No. I must be too young.
 
2010-10-19 10:53:32 AM
How many people went to jail for this?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-10-19 11:49:20 AM
what_now: How many people went to jail for this?


Should they have? I mean, look at the view in that place!
 
2010-10-19 12:46:28 PM
constitutional protections for muslims? OMG! Fallout Vegas is out!

wait...what were we talking about again?
 
2010-10-19 02:10:38 PM
I think it's too early to say if the DA is going to bring up charges on Miller's body guards, subby,
 
2010-10-19 02:47:29 PM
Link is broken. Here's a working one.

Google Books has Life magazine from like the 1940's, and they have these ads for refrigerators and toasters and dog knows what else, but you can't buy them because We're At War

So they have these ads that say, "man, won't it be nice when all this is over and we can have these neat appliances? Yeah, that'd be cool".

They've also got pics of "The Japs"(sic) being rounded up in their little camps "for the duration".

So I decided there needed to be a mashup. You may have to click to get the bigger size.

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2010-10-19 03:21:31 PM
Popcorn, get your popcorn. Fresh and hot.
 
2010-10-19 03:22:31 PM
what_now: How many people went to jail for this?

Exactly what I was thinking.

Government officials are NEVER held responsible for violating the rights of the people. If they were, lawmakers who support laws later found unconstitutional would receive a bit a jail time (something I support... let's see them put their own rears on the line).
 
2010-10-19 03:22:56 PM
"[Kidd] was ordered to live with his wife and in-laws..."

I'd throw in a Cruel and Unusual Punishment charge as well!
 
2010-10-19 03:23:24 PM
I wonder what Ashcroft would look like with this bling around his neck.
cdn1.newsone.com
 
2010-10-19 03:24:06 PM
SphericalTime: No. I must be too young.

me too, i don't recall it happening before. but i wish i could remember such a time. citizens being detained without cause for multiple days is not a good thing for the health of our democracy (or representative republic if you like). and what's up with the later travel restrictions if there aren't charges or an investigation?
 
2010-10-19 03:24:42 PM
what_now: How many people went to jail for this?

Pack it up guys, thread's over.
 
2010-10-19 03:25:22 PM
akula: what_now: How many people went to jail for this?

Exactly what I was thinking.

Government officials are NEVER held responsible for violating the rights of the people. If they were, lawmakers who support laws later found unconstitutional would receive a bit a jail time (something I support... let's see them put their own rears on the line).


this. lawmakers, like police officers, are generally exempt from the law. if the legislators were actually subject to the rules they made, they would behave quite differently.
 
2010-10-19 03:27:54 PM
I drew a comparison to the Japanese Internment Camps and the maltreatment of American Muslims a couple of weeks ago, and my fellow FARKers tore me apart for making such an allegation.
 
2010-10-19 03:28:33 PM
How about the US just cut this guy and his family a big ass farking check, say 8 figures, with a written apology from the president or congress, and call it a day?

Yeah, we went overboard when the fear of terrorism was at its peak. We know that, and it was understandable - we haven't had an attack on our homeland like that since Pearl Harbor - and it was even more heinous since it was against non-combatants.

So let's just admit it, compensate that guy and those like him, and move on. No need for a big production about it all. "Hey, sorry you got caught up in a nightmare, but we were all scared and confused. You're free now, here's a boatload of cash, good luck to you."

Now, for those who provided material support to terrorists, or are known to have actively plotted against US interests, lock them in a hole and let them starve to death. Not even worth the cost of a bullet.
 
2010-10-19 03:28:46 PM
SnatchTease: I wonder what Ashcroft would look like with this bling around his neck.

Came here as my duty as an AMerican citizen, and as a patriot, and as a United States Veteran, who has sworn and has never unsworn to defend the constitution to insure that THIS is covered.

If you hang tyrants, who would cast our rights asunder, then you have done your natural duty.
 
2010-10-19 03:29:49 PM
pxlboy: this. lawmakers, like police officers, are generally exempt from the law. if the legislators were actually subject to the rules they made, they would behave quite differently.

Like the Senators who created the TSA fly on private aircraft and don't have to go through security to have their water and shampoo taken from them?

Shocked.
 
2010-10-19 03:30:55 PM
Occam's Nailfile: How about the US just cut this guy and his family a big ass farking check, say 8 figures, with a written apology from the president or congress, and call it a day?

Yeah, we went overboard when the fear of terrorism was at its peak. We know that, and it was understandable - we haven't had an attack on our homeland like that since Pearl Harbor - and it was even more heinous since it was against non-combatants.

So let's just admit it, compensate that guy and those like him, and move on. No need for a big production about it all. "Hey, sorry you got caught up in a nightmare, but we were all scared and confused. You're free now, here's a boatload of cash, good luck to you."

Now, for those who provided material support to terrorists, or are known to have actively plotted against US interests, lock them in a hole and let them starve to death. Not even worth the cost of a bullet.


You act like the backlash against Muslims is a thing of the past.
 
2010-10-19 03:31:39 PM
vudukungfu: SnatchTease: I wonder what Ashcroft would look like with this bling around his neck.

Came here as my duty as an AMerican citizen, and as a patriot, and as a United States Veteran, who has sworn and has never unsworn to defend the constitution to insure that THIS is covered.

If you hang tyrants, who would cast our rights asunder, then you have done your natural duty.


index.hu
"It's good to hang tyrants."
 
2010-10-19 03:31:49 PM
lysdexic: They've also got pics of "The Japs"(sic)

img829.imageshack.us

Sic does not work that way!
 
2010-10-19 03:31:52 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: You act like the backlash against Muslims is a thing of the past.

Not sure what you're getting at.
 
2010-10-19 03:32:02 PM
what_now: How many people went to jail for this?

Since the Supreme Court upheld the internment of Japanese-Americans and has yet to overturn its decision, no one broke the law.
 
2010-10-19 03:32:09 PM
False imprisonment should be against the law.
 
2010-10-19 03:33:05 PM
I was once detained and questioned by the police without being charged, so I can sympathize. Gotta say, that was a pretty rough 15 minutes.
 
2010-10-19 03:33:41 PM
what_now: How many people went to jail for [Japanese internment]?

None, but at least the parties got their timely day in Court (2 years after FDR's EO 9066).

It's been 9 years since Ashcroft announced this policy (TFA says October 2001), and we're just now getting to the part where SCOTUS hears the case.

Neither policy is appropriate or moral, but at least the Court in the '40s didn't hide behind the Executive's skirts. This case, Hamdan, Hamdi, and Rasul should completely blow away the last vestiges of Bush's "legal limbo" and extralegal detention ploicies moot.

// but since the only party in the US is "Authoritarian", I'm not holding my breath
// I'll save my breath for the waterboarding; I'm sure to need it
 
2010-10-19 03:33:56 PM
OnmyojiOmn: Sic does not work that way!

Sure it does. Amongst other things, "[sic]" can be used to mean "I'm quoting something unbelievable, so don't shoot the messenger."
 
2010-10-19 03:34:03 PM
OnmyojiOmn: lysdexic: They've also got pics of "The Japs"(sic)



Sic does not work that way!


THUS.
 
2010-10-19 03:34:58 PM
Occam's Nailfile: Philip Francis Queeg: You act like the backlash against Muslims is a thing of the past.

Not sure what you're getting at.


Seriously? Have you been out of the country the last few months?
 
2010-10-19 03:35:58 PM
lohphat: pxlboy: this. lawmakers, like police officers, are generally exempt from the law. if the legislators were actually subject to the rules they made, they would behave quite differently.

Like the Senators who created the TSA fly on private aircraft and don't have to go through security to have their water and shampoo taken from them?

Shocked.


You may have missed those words. Odd, since you typed them.
 
2010-10-19 03:37:50 PM
Next up: In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme court has once again ignored the constitution in order to benefit Republicans in the short term.
 
2010-10-19 03:38:39 PM
FTA: The decision, if allowed to stand, would "threaten the ability of prosecutors to discharge their duties without fear of personal liability, severely limit the usefulness of the material witness statute, and substantially chill officers in the exercise of important government functions."

Good. Next case.
 
2010-10-19 03:41:15 PM
Occam's Nailfile: Philip Francis Queeg: You act like the backlash against Muslims is a thing of the past.

Not sure what you're getting at.


Cool hey everyone we're in for another 40 post attempt at derailing the conversation through sheer willful ignorance and stubborn and mulish refusal to comprehend simple statements. I for one sure am looking forward to watching ole Oxie here dodge the question for seven pages, anyone else?

At least you aren't made of pure derp but seriously dude quit with the shtick, it's completely old.
 
2010-10-19 03:41:39 PM
Words can't describe how much I hate John Ashcroft.
 
2010-10-19 03:42:05 PM
erveek: Next up: In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme court has once again ignored the constitution in order to benefit Republicans in the short term.

Yeah, that. I read the article, some people have settled, but pretty much no one has been held accountable for anything, and by the look of it, no one will be. It mentioned Ashcroft's defense and I'll bet that as long as he has any defense at all, no matter its merit, he'll go on consequence free.
 
2010-10-19 03:42:41 PM
F*cking writs of habeas corpus...how do they work?
 
2010-10-19 03:44:33 PM
Government lawyers defending Ashcroft say that even if Kidd's constitutional rights were violated, those rights were not clearly established at the time Kidd was taken into custody.

They've been holding him since 1791?! Monstrous!

Seriously, what the fark does that mean?
 
2010-10-19 03:45:04 PM
what_now: How many people went to jail for this?

Pretty sure no one is going to top the simplicity and effectiveness of that post.
 
2010-10-19 03:45:42 PM
cmb53208: Words can't describe how much I hate John Ashcroft.

Rumsfeld was pretty gnarly too. "The great liberator and bringer of civilization to Iraq"... makes me lol, buy more rope.
 
2010-10-19 03:46:07 PM
EyeballKid: "It's good to hang tyrants."

When they come for you, I'll already be dead.
 
2010-10-19 03:46:40 PM
TFA: Government lawyers defending Ashcroft say that even if Kidd's constitutional rights were violated, those rights were not clearly established at the time Kidd was taken into custody. If they weren't clearly established, Ashcroft is protected by qualified immunity.

Wait, what? Constitutionally Protected Rights to be free of unreasonable search and seizure and due process of law as described in the 4th and 5th amendments to the Constitution were not celarly established at the time?

*pardon in advance my ensuing freakout*

They've been clearly established for over 200 farking years! Holy fark! What the fark is wrong with you people? This is so un-farking believable the only way i imagine that you can farking sleep at night is that you have no soul. That's the only way anyone could say anything like this with a straight face! The thought that you held the amount of power that you once held literally makes me piss my pants out of shame and fear at the same time. Now if you'll excuse me, I need a new chair.

*thank you*
 
2010-10-19 03:47:07 PM
what_now: How many people went to jail for this?

Hopefully all three of them did a stint in jail before being shipped back to Mexico. Of course, I'm sure the libs want to give them a hug and let them vote. You're right, of course, probably none of those illegals went to jail at all.
 
2010-10-19 03:48:14 PM
schattenteufel: I drew a comparison to the Japanese Internment Camps and the maltreatment of American Muslims a couple of weeks ago, and my fellow FARKers tore me apart for making such an allegation.

We just don't like you

/I like you
 
2010-10-19 03:48:35 PM
lysdexic: Google Books has Life magazine from like the 1940's, and they have these ads for refrigerators and toasters and dog knows what else, but you can't buy them because We're At War

War. War never changes.

kidatomic.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-10-19 03:50:19 PM
I thought that the US Chamber of Commerce was the bogeyman. Does Ashcroft work for them?
 
2010-10-19 03:51:04 PM
That Kidd was done wrong.
 
2010-10-19 03:51:09 PM
At the time we didn't know how big the Muzzie threat was and we were *extra vigorous* trying to define the threat by going overboard. In the big picture of American history, he got off light. The stuff we did to American citizens during WWII AND WWI was pretty heavy duty.

Pay the man, and move on.

Go after Ashcroft? Fuggeddaboudit. If you establish a precedent of personally suing federal officials, they're not going to do *anything* in the future that MIGHT get them in trouble. Thus they'll be useless, and the terrorists will have a field day blowing shiat up.

You're going to have to give up your revenge fantasies, Farkers. Ashcroft-->NOT YOURS
 
2010-10-19 03:51:26 PM
mycatisposter: I thought that the US Chamber of Commerce was the bogeyman. Does Ashcroft work for them?

He's a Republican, so yes.
 
2010-10-19 03:51:30 PM
erveek: Next up: In a 5-4 ruling, the Supreme court has once again ignored the constitution in order to benefit Republicans in the short term.

This. I'm not a betting man but I'd put down a fair amount of money that the supreme court sides with Ashcroft.
 
2010-10-19 03:52:48 PM
So ya
Thought ya
Might like to
Go to the show.
To feel that warm thrill of confusion,
That space cadet glow.
I've got some bad news for you sunshine,
Pink isn't well, he stayed back at the hotel
And they sent us along as a surrogate band
We're gonna find out where you folks really stand.

Are there any queers in the theater tonight?
Get them up against the wall!
There's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me,
Get him up against the wall!
That one looks Jewish!
And that one's a coon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint,
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I'd have all of you shot!

/oblig
 
2010-10-19 03:54:10 PM
cmb53208: Words can't describe how much I hate John Ashcroft.

What DOJ head have you liked? All of them have sucked dick in my 36 year lifetime. Not a farking one of them has applied the law impartially nor held their subordinates or themselves to consequence. Every one of them has held civil liberties in contempt unless the majority party was trying to pander to a specific segment.
 
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