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2010-10-19 01:09:02 AM  
How can you defend something that DOESN'T FARKING EXIST?

If I were Cutler, I'd refuse to drop back into the pocket, ever, for any reason.
 
2010-10-19 01:20:59 AM  
Occam's Nailfile: If I were Cutler, I'd refuse to drop back into the pocket, ever, for any reason.

I can't believe I'm going to utter these words: I actually feel sorry for Cutler. He's looking at having his career shortened if this keeps up. Granted, he could be quicker on some releases, but this is just insane.
 
2010-10-19 01:22:18 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.


Lovie took them to the Superbowl just 3 years ago. I don't think it matters that he is black.
 
2010-10-19 01:23:00 AM  
How dare you judge the offensive line they imported directly from the UFL? Didn't you people ever have dreams?
 
2010-10-19 01:23:43 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.


You don't know much about how the Bears have handled past coaching failures like Dick Jauron and Dave Wannstedt, do you?
 
2010-10-19 01:24:12 AM  
John Dewey: I actually feel sorry for Cutler. He's looking at having his career shortened if this keeps up

Exactly. I've never EVER seen such wanton destruction of a quarterback as I have seen this year with Cutler. I have actually been wondering if he was sleeping with the center's wife or something.
 
2010-10-19 01:31:03 AM  
Outshined_One: Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.

You don't know much about how the Bears have handled past coaching failures like Dick Jauron and Dave Wannstedt, do you?


Great oogly moogly, I had forgotten about that f*cker. I swear chills ran down my spine a bit.

/dolphins fan
/his 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense is part of what drove ricky out of the nfl I believe
/just part of what drove him out mind you
 
2010-10-19 01:33:10 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.


Dave Wannstedt was head coach for 6 full seasons before being fired. Dick Jauron coached 5 full season's. Combined they had one 10+ win season, and one playoff victory. The season you're referring to was Lovie's 5th season. He had 2 10+ win seasons and had taken the Bears to the Superbowl. Are you retarded?
 
2010-10-19 01:34:49 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: Occam's Nailfile: Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.

Lovie took them to the Superbowl just 3 years ago. I don't think it matters that he is black.

Neither of them had Jessee Jackson ready to pounce (flounce?) into the media upon their dismissal.

Clearly, you know nothing about racial politics in Chicago.


Did this thread get cross posted to the politics tab or something? What's with the troll?
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2010-10-19 01:39:50 AM  
thejoyofpi: Did this thread get cross posted to the politics tab or something? What's with the troll?

He sounds like one of the mouth breathers that calls sports radio stations and tries to bring politics into the reasons a team is winning.

The Bears are 4-2 and are atop the division.

Green Bay hasn't looked good at all this season, Minnesota is suffering from Favre-penis and Detroit is not ready to become a good football team.

Has any coach been fire before with a winning record and a 2 game lead in the division?

I'm not saying he deserves to keep his job at the end of the season, but lets wait until they lose 4 games in a row. This season is a wash anyway, with this Defensive Line, there is no way the Bears win against the AFC East (Jets, Pats, Dolphins) later on this year.
 
2010-10-19 01:43:05 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: Oobleck: Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.

Dave Wannstedt was head coach for 6 full seasons before being fired. Dick Jauron coached 5 full season's. Combined they had one 10+ win season, and one playoff victory. The season you're referring to was Lovie's 5th season. He had 2 10+ win seasons and had taken the Bears to the Superbowl. Are you retarded?

That's the OLD NFL, not today's coaching carousel, "win today or don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out" league.

Apples and Oranges.


ah so you are just trolling, well done you got me.
 
2010-10-19 03:02:51 AM  
Well this potentially interesting thread took a turn for the derp fairly quickly...
 
2010-10-19 03:07:04 AM  
MBK: The Bears are 4-2 and are atop the division.

According to Peter King:

The Vikings are more than alive. They might be a Brett Favre/Green Bay melodrama-away from becoming the favorites in the NFC North.
 
2010-10-19 03:07:06 AM  
Hey, Lovie:
images.cheezburger.com
 
2010-10-19 03:31:40 AM  
when mike ditka is telling you the bears Oline sucks, that speaks voumes.
 
2010-10-19 03:34:12 AM  
If he was asian he would have won 3 superbowls already.

Try to deny it.
 
2010-10-19 03:34:33 AM  
Harry_Seldon: According to Peter King:

The Vikings are more than alive. They might be a Brett Favre/Green Bay melodrama-away from becoming the favorites in the NFC North.


Yeah, as soon as the Vikings beat the Cowboys, I quickly imagined the "they're the favorites! Favre 4" life!" responses from some of my absolute favorite sportswriters, and they pretty much all fell in line.
 
Al!
2010-10-19 03:35:51 AM  
Cruz1987: Well this potentially interesting thread took a turn for the derp fairly quickly...

Came for the reasoned discussion about the Bears, leaving with Santorum and vomit in my mouth...
 
2010-10-19 03:37:52 AM  
"We've won four games with this offensive line," Smith said...

Sounds an awful lot like:

Rex Grossman is our quarterback.

We've won eight games with Rex as our quarterback.

Etc.
 
2010-10-19 05:03:50 AM  
If the Bears make no attempt to beef up their O line by the trade deadline (10 hours and counting), they should dump Jerry Angelo. Seriously, all the criticism of Lovie aside, why has this ass-clown gotten a pass year after year? It was Angelo's moves that sparked a 7-9 season after going to the Superbowl. Angelo drafted Chris Williams, even with prior knowledge of his back problems. Angelo waited eight full seasons to address the Bears' hole at quarterback, choosing instead to stick with "fark it, I'm goin' deep" Rex Grossman for the better part of five years.
 
2010-10-19 05:12:23 AM  
Tiberius Gracchus: "We've won four games with this offensive line," Smith said...

Sounds an awful lot like:

Rex Grossman is our quarterback.

We've won eight games with Rex as our quarterback.

Etc.


1.bp.blogspot.com

/hasn't taken a snap in almost a year
 
2010-10-19 05:46:10 AM  
If he was Maori he would have coached Rugby rather than American Football.

Try to deny it.
 
2010-10-19 06:42:38 AM  
A real, non troll reason Lovie should be fired is that he took the best return man in history a few years back and made him into a craptastic third string WR. At least this year they regained their senses and put him back on returns.

Jerry Angelo should be fired for his offseason acquisitions and drafting. Keep drafting that D line Jerry! He's the Matt Millen of the D line. (Also his great trade of the 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams)
 
2010-10-19 07:28:33 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.


That was my first thought as well. I'm sure that has or will have something to do with it at one point.

But still, look at John Fox. Do not underestimate the staying power of winning the NFC title and losing to a clearly much better AFC team.

It makes you a LEGEND to some owners.
 
2010-10-19 08:16:33 AM  
Go get Logan Mankins!
 
2010-10-19 08:51:11 AM  
Occam's Nailfile: How can you defend something that DOESN'T FARKING EXIST?

To be fair, Christians do this all the time.

/ Troll.
 
2010-10-19 08:56:09 AM  
myinternetname: Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.

That was my first thought as well. I'm sure that has or will have something to do with it at one point.


Don't fall for the troll. Dick Jauron gave us much shiattier teams and lasted five seasons with only one winning record (The Great Fluke of 2001)
 
2010-10-19 09:02:00 AM  
John Dewey: Occam's Nailfile: If I were Cutler, I'd refuse to drop back into the pocket, ever, for any reason.

I can't believe I'm going to utter these words: I actually feel sorry for Cutler. He's looking at having his career shortened if this keeps up. Granted, he could be quicker on some releases, but this is just insane.


As a Detroit Lions fan, I personally wonder if Cutler is going to go the way of Joey Harrington. Was Harrington actually good? Did we have the potential to be good? We'll never know because our offensive line taught Harrington one thing "If you don't have the ball out of your hands within 3 seconds you will be brutally murdered by the defense." I fear Cutler will learn the same lesson.

/you should keep Lovie
//sick of dwelling in the basement of the NFC North
/maybe we can compromise and shove the Vikings down therE?
 
2010-10-19 09:05:50 AM  
NYCNative: Occam's Nailfile: How can you defend something that DOESN'T FARKING EXIST?

To be fair, Christians do this all the time.

/ Troll.


You call that a troll? Ridiculous.

It doesn't matter anyway, because now that the Bears front office has been upgraded, reuniting Ruskell with the oft and unfairly criticized Angelo Bears fans can rest easy that they'll be finding plenty of offensive line talent, and value in the draft and free agency. 2011 NFC Champs, book it. Done.
 
2010-10-19 09:25:51 AM  
At least he's not Wade "Cupcake" Phillips.
 
2010-10-19 09:39:36 AM  
If you go back to the MNF thread in the minutes after the Bears were able to finish off the Packers, you would find a bunch of Bears fans talking about how 9-0 was a distinct possibility, with 7-2 being almost a lock, and anything worse being complete tragedy.
 
2010-10-19 09:49:01 AM  
If Lovie Smith were white, he could have taken a medicore team to a 4-2 record.

There, I said it.
 
2010-10-19 09:53:09 AM  
Alfred Einstein: If you go back to the MNF thread in the minutes after the Bears were able to finish off the Packers, you would find a bunch of Bears fans talking about how 9-0 was a distinct possibility, with 7-2 being almost a lock, and anything worse being complete tragedy.

Before the Giants game I said something to the effect of, "If the Giants don't get their shiat together, the Bears could very well end up 6-2 or 7-1 at the midway point of the season. They'll still finish 9-7 and out of the playoffs even if that happens though."

At the time, Seattle looked extremely erratic, Washington and NYG were in disarray, and both Carolina and the Bills are horrible. No one thought the Giants were better than the Cowboys, for example. Most Bears fans I know have been doubtful about reaching the playoffs even on a wildcard this year because of how brutal the second half of the schedule is.
 
2010-10-19 09:55:40 AM  
BilltheThrill: If Lovie Smith were white, he could have taken a medicore team to a 4-2 record.

There, I said it.


I'm not even sure they are a mediocre team. I said before the season I'd take the under on Vegas's line of 8 wins. They got really lucky with the first half of their schedule. From here on out, I only see 1 for sure win: Buffalo.
Redskins, Vikings twice, @Dolphins, Eagles, @Lions, Pats, Jets, @Packers. That's a tough finish. They could easily end this year on an 8 game losing streak, 11 if they lose to the skins and somehow don't show up versus the Bills.
 
2010-10-19 09:58:40 AM  
Jerry Angelo is more at fault than Lovie for the O-Line situation. You can't take bad players and just make them good.

Angelo last used a first round pick on the O-Line in 2002 (Colombo). He was an injury bust, and since then, Jerry has drafted 10 O-Line guys. I think 2 still play (Williams and Webb).

Angelo made his bed, and Cutler's going to lie in it, recovering from concussions.

I want Angelo fired more than Lovie.

The shiatty part is that there is no quick recovery from this. Rebuilding that line will take a few years, and by that time the veterans on the defensive side will be retiring. How long do they think guys like Urlacher and Briggs can play at a high level? Now is the time to draft their replacements and start teaching them, but the Bears can't because they have to quick-fix the O-line.

This problem will keep compounding; I don't know how you stop it. You could bite the bullet, cut veterans, and go young, except the Bears finally landed a QB with a real NFL arm. Those don't come along often.
 
2010-10-19 10:04:35 AM  
When the Bears were 4-0 I tried explaining to my brother that it was a fluke and why their season would go down the drain in short order. As I see it there are 4 key factors that when put together are a perfect recipe for disaster:

1. There is no O-Line.
2. Cutler lives to screw up in pressure situations.
3. Martz lives to put his QB's in pressure situations.
4. Lovie Smith rarely remembers his own name, much less where he is or that he's an NFL coach.
 
2010-10-19 10:22:43 AM  
Orgasmatron138: Jerry Angelo is more at fault than Lovie for the O-Line situation. You can't take bad players and just make them good.

Angelo last used a first round pick on the O-Line in 2002 (Colombo). He was an injury bust, and since then, Jerry has drafted 10 O-Line guys. I think 2 still play (Williams and Webb).

Angelo made his bed, and Cutler's going to lie in it, recovering from concussions.

I want Angelo fired more than Lovie.

The shiatty part is that there is no quick recovery from this. Rebuilding that line will take a few years, and by that time the veterans on the defensive side will be retiring. How long do they think guys like Urlacher and Briggs can play at a high level? Now is the time to draft their replacements and start teaching them, but the Bears can't because they have to quick-fix the O-line.

This problem will keep compounding; I don't know how you stop it. You could bite the bullet, cut veterans, and go young, except the Bears finally landed a QB with a real NFL arm. Those don't come along often.


I made the case for firing Angelo, too (a few posts above yours). It's hard to say Williams still plays, since he just came off injury -again- and we really have no idea what level he is capable of playing at. I say, trade vets like Des Clark and Tommie Harris to either bulk up the O-Line, or get some draft picks out of it.

/Doubt anything will happen in the next four hours though.
 
2010-10-19 10:27:03 AM  
John Dewey: I can't believe I'm going to utter these words: I actually feel sorry for Cutler. He's looking at having his career shortened if this keeps up. Granted, he could be quicker on some releases, but this is just insane.

The thing is, I think a lot of this is probably Cutler's fault. Now, granted I haven't actually watched any Bears games but just looking at the stats from the game against the Giants where Cutler was knocked out of the game, Cutler was sacked 9 times in the first half and when the back-ups came into the game, they only got sacked once combined.

Whether the Giants let up on them a little in the second half, I have no idea but the number of sacks on Cutler vs his replacements is kind of telling.
 
2010-10-19 10:39:52 AM  
Cndn Bacon: John Dewey: I can't believe I'm going to utter these words: I actually feel sorry for Cutler. He's looking at having his career shortened if this keeps up. Granted, he could be quicker on some releases, but this is just insane.

The thing is, I think a lot of this is probably Cutler's fault. Now, granted I haven't actually watched any Bears games but just looking at the stats from the game against the Giants where Cutler was knocked out of the game, Cutler was sacked 9 times in the first half and when the back-ups came into the game, they only got sacked once combined.

Whether the Giants let up on them a little in the second half, I have no idea but the number of sacks on Cutler vs his replacements is kind of telling.


Cutler was hanging on to the ball too long. The word now is that Cutler's concussion actually came earlier in the game than first thought. He was totally scrambled out there, and his reactions were shot.

The scary thing is that this is thought to be Jay's third concussion. Yikes.
 
2010-10-19 10:40:04 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: A white Bears coach would have been fired mid-season two seasons ago.

Yes, I went there.

Try to deny it.


Does that explain Rex Grossman's longevity in Chicago too, Mr White Supreme-ass?
 
2010-10-19 10:43:40 AM  
kenoshaillini: A real, non troll reason Lovie should be fired is that he took the best return man in history a few years back and made him into a craptastic third string WR. At least this year they regained their senses and put him back on returns.

Jerry Angelo should be fired for his offseason acquisitions and drafting. Keep drafting that D line Jerry! He's the Matt Millen of the D line. (Also his great trade of the 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams)


I still don't understand why Hester is such a bad receiver. He has the speed and moves. The only things I can figure is he is too stupid to memorize simple routes and the whole inability to catch a football thing. But back on the topic, it doesn't help one bit if the QB is getting zero protection.
 
2010-10-19 10:53:43 AM  
I just cant believe that they are going to sit and let this deadline pass them by. It boggles my mind.

Its just such a glaring and obvious problem. And they arent doing anything about it. And its not just this season... That damage on Jay is gonna add up.

Angelo really is the problem here. Lovie is a decent coach. Angelo just makes TERRIBLE draft picks and has neglected this o line for far too long, and now we are paying the price
. Regrettably if firings occur this season, Lovie will be the first to go (Angelos greatest talent is throwing people under the bus)

Panty Sniffer: kenoshaillini: A real, non troll reason Lovie should be fired is that he took the best return man in history a few years back and made him into a craptastic third string WR. At least this year they regained their senses and put him back on returns.

Jerry Angelo should be fired for his offseason acquisitions and drafting. Keep drafting that D line Jerry! He's the Matt Millen of the D line. (Also his great trade of the 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams)

I still don't understand why Hester is such a bad receiver. He has the speed and moves. The only things I can figure is he is too stupid to memorize simple routes and the whole inability to catch a football thing. But back on the topic, it doesn't help one bit if the QB is getting zero protection.


Ever listen to the guy give an interview? Hes an amazing returner, but that guy is as dumb as a brick.
 
2010-10-19 10:55:19 AM  
Oh_Enough_Already: What you coldly and dispassionately analyze is what I and people like me motherfarking built.

oh you played or coached in the NFL? No? Then shut the f*ck up
 
2010-10-19 10:55:44 AM  
Cndn Bacon: John Dewey: I can't believe I'm going to utter these words: I actually feel sorry for Cutler. He's looking at having his career shortened if this keeps up. Granted, he could be quicker on some releases, but this is just insane.

The thing is, I think a lot of this is probably Cutler's fault. Now, granted I haven't actually watched any Bears games but just looking at the stats from the game against the Giants where Cutler was knocked out of the game, Cutler was sacked 9 times in the first half and when the back-ups came into the game, they only got sacked once combined.

Whether the Giants let up on them a little in the second half, I have no idea but the number of sacks on Cutler vs his replacements is kind of telling.


I'd say maybe 3 or 4 were Jay's fault where he could have gotten rid of the ball. But there were a few where he had absolutely no chance. I'd put it at about 50% o-line, 25% cutler, and 25% Martz for not adjusting like he did in the Cowboys game.
 
2010-10-19 10:58:20 AM  
thesilence: I just cant believe that they are going to sit and let this deadline pass them by. It boggles my mind.

Its just such a glaring and obvious problem. And they arent doing anything about it. And its not just this season... That damage on Jay is gonna add up.

Angelo really is the problem here. Lovie is a decent coach. Angelo just makes TERRIBLE draft picks and has neglected this o line for far too long, and now we are paying the price
. Regrettably if firings occur this season, Lovie will be the first to go (Angelos greatest talent is throwing people under the bus)

Panty Sniffer: kenoshaillini: A real, non troll reason Lovie should be fired is that he took the best return man in history a few years back and made him into a craptastic third string WR. At least this year they regained their senses and put him back on returns.

Jerry Angelo should be fired for his offseason acquisitions and drafting. Keep drafting that D line Jerry! He's the Matt Millen of the D line. (Also his great trade of the 2nd rounder for Gaines Adams)

I still don't understand why Hester is such a bad receiver. He has the speed and moves. The only things I can figure is he is too stupid to memorize simple routes and the whole inability to catch a football thing. But back on the topic, it doesn't help one bit if the QB is getting zero protection.

Ever listen to the guy give an interview? Hes an amazing returner, but that guy is as dumb as a brick.


The problem is that no one will be willing to trade good o-line players. You'd be trading garbage for garbage that doesn't know your system.
 
2010-10-19 11:02:56 AM  
MBK: Has any coach been fire before with a winning record and a 2 game lead in the division?

Not 4-2 but Marty Schottenheimer got fired after going 14-2.
 
2010-10-19 11:07:29 AM  
relcec: You don't know much about how the Bears have handled past coaching failures like Dick Jauron and Dave Wannstedt, do you?

Great oogly moogly, I had forgotten about that f*cker. I swear chills ran down my spine a bit.

/dolphins fan
/his 3 yards and a cloud of dust offense is part of what drove ricky out of the nfl I believe
/just part of what drove him out mind you


I'm going to the Pitt game on Saturday and was thinking of bringing a banner that said "ALL THE PIECES ARE IN PLACE". Good ol' Wanny, screwing up another team even though he's probably got the best talent in his conference. Must be the Wannstache that keeps getting him hired.
 
2010-10-19 11:09:17 AM  
Panty Sniffer: I still don't understand why Hester is such a bad receiver. He has the speed and moves. The only things I can figure is he is too stupid to memorize simple routes and the whole inability to catch a football thing. But back on the topic, it doesn't help one bit if the QB is getting zero protection.

He's certainly too stupid, but his catch rate is fine. He's had some memorable drops (I remember a few years ago against the Giants when he had a bomb for a TD bounce off his helmet -- the Bears went on to lose that game) but his hands aren't as bad as people seem to think.
 
2010-10-19 11:12:47 AM  
You can't trade for a new o-line in the NFL. The best o-lines are always the ones that have been together the longest in the same scheme. Adding players now is not the answer.

The answer is clearly to run an offense of only screen passes. That is the only play that the o-line is supposed to not block anyone.
 
2010-10-19 11:25:52 AM  
bacongood: You can't trade for a new o-line in the NFL. The best o-lines are always the ones that have been together the longest in the same scheme. Adding players now is not the answer.

The answer is clearly to run an offense of only screen passes. That is the only play that the o-line is supposed to not block anyone.


I'm still trying to wrap my head around dropping Cutler back on a 7-step INTO HIS OWN ENDZONE.
 
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