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2010-10-18 09:56:21 PM
The brief painstakingly cites proof, from the Oxford English Dictionary, Supreme Court rulings, presidential proclamations by Clinton and George W. Bush and the writings of Thomas Jefferson, that Islam has long been recognized as a major world religion.

I actually thought this was pretty stupid when I read the headline, because nobody who thinks otherwise would know how to read a court brief. But if they had simply photocopied a page from the Oxford English Dictionary and highlighted the definition of religion and submitted that by itself, that would have been pretty awesome.
 
2010-10-18 10:00:09 PM
mark12A: Look at the parts of the world controlled by Islam. Without exception, they are hellholes.

For my next holiday, I'll be on a Malaysian or Indonesian beach. You can have Branson.
 
2010-10-18 10:00:26 PM
davynelson: IF YOUR RELIGION TELLS YOU

HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT EQUAL

AND YOU BELIEVE IT...



STAY OUT OF THE USA.

CANADA, EVEN.


/YES YES, CAPS LOCK
//I GET IT


My sister's wedding vows promised that she would "serve and obey" her husband. That's doctrine: the husband rules the house and the wife. Is her religion welcome in your America?
 
2010-10-18 10:00:57 PM
Of course this doesn't mean that religion is a good thing.
 
2010-10-18 10:02:04 PM
So you think all 1.5 billion muslims in the world are maniacs, barbaric, a weird cult, and live in in hellholes. Good one.

Name a country controlled by Muslims that you would enjoy living in. Turkey does not count, since it was converted by force by Kemal Aratuk into a non-secular society. And that is currently breaking down, thanks to the current ruling party that is aggressively dismantling Aratuk's legacy...
 
2010-10-18 10:02:08 PM
scavenger: Rodddxl: In the brief, the DOJ argues that the lawsuit implicates two federal civil rights statutes, the Religious Land Use Act and the Church Arson Prevention Act, which fall under the DOJ's purview. The county, the brief argues, would be in danger of violating the land use act were it to deny building permits for the mosque.

I'm sure the DOJ has thrown its weight around in order to get the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church a permit to REBUILD at ground zero too. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites or give preferential treatment to one religion over another in violation of the "seperation of church and state".

These situations are exactly the same. Good jorb


No they are not!

The Greek Orthodox Church can get a permit anytime it wants, the issue with them is that they are trying top squeeze more money out of the Port Authority by claiming that they were told they would get about twice as much (10 of millions of Dollars) as the P.A. is wanting to give them.

But hey don't let the facts interfere with your Christian Persecution complex!
 
2010-10-18 10:06:34 PM
mark12A: Name a country controlled by Muslims that you would enjoy living in.

What do you mean by "controlled"?
 
2010-10-18 10:08:45 PM
mark12A: Turkey does not count, since it was converted by force by Kemal Aratuk into a non-secular society.

Non-secular societies are the best!

Well they are, if you don't understand what words mean.
 
2010-10-18 10:08:55 PM
0Icky0: What do you mean by "controlled"?

He means under Islamic rule. He means to make the distinction between an attack of muslims as individuals, and an attack on Islam as an idea - an ideology.

I assume.
 
2010-10-18 10:13:13 PM
mark12A: Islam in its present form is intrinsically incompatible with modern civilized society. It is aggressive, spread by violence and intimidation, unbelievably intolerant, and is currently the PRIMARY source of conflict in the world today, causing fights all across Africa, Middle East and Asia.

Islam evolved from Arab cultures living a subsistance lifestyle in the desert, where all their weird practices came from. It made sense at the time to own and control women like commodities, since women were needed to keep the tribe populated, but couldn't reproduce at will because too many children would starve out the tribe. Dissent was NOT tolerated, because disputes would divert the tribe's attentions from doing what was needed to survive, hence the rigid mindset and resistance to change, the fierce demands for total loyalty to the tribe, the harsh punishments (cutting off hands, whipping, etc.) because they didn't have the resources for extensive law establishments and prisons, etc.

They *should* have moderated when they accessed the modern world of technology and resources, instead they have stubbornly held to their old ways.

Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. all changed as the world changed. Muslims did not.

Libs denounce criticism of Islam as bigotry, equating it to the unfair attacks on Catholics and Jews. But Christians, Jews, moderated over time and became tolerant and adapted to the modern world. The Muslims are showing NO signs of doing that. They don't assimulate, they invade. They show up in our western societies, which went through a lot of struggle to become tolerant, fair, free societies, and expect to continue their old ways of honor killings, killing apostates, etc., and threatening those who don't agree with their ways.

And you numbskulls think you're being uber-kewl by equating their struggle as a typical struggle to be accepted by others, like the Catholics and Jews. You're asking the rest of us to accept their barbaric ways and let them continue to spread them here. You have an irrational, emotional urge to champion the perceived underdog, regardless of the actual values the underdog is pushing. The fact that they're underdogs gives them a moral justification in your eyes.

You should be demanding that they change and accept our values of freedom and democracy, like all the other major religions have already done. But you're not.

We are a modern, technological society, hopefully pushing out toward the stars. Do you really think we need to helping to spread a weird cult that prays five times a day, compulsively facing Mecca, with lots of weird compulsions like which hand to use to eat with, and which hand to wash with (we got lots of water now, kids, we're not in the desert anymore) treats women like livestock, hates and punishes dissent and wants to do away with democracy and impose a theocracy? Do you really want the whole world to be run like Iran? Or Saudi?

Islam and rationality are fundementally incompatible. I want the world to go forward, not backward. I want freedom. I want people to live their lives as they see fit, not controlled by crazy old Imans.

Look at the parts of the world controlled by Islam. Without exception, they are hellholes. And you're completely cool with allowing these maniacs to spread their ridiculous practices here?

What's next? Bring back footbinding?


I lol'd at your ignorance.

/seriously.
//Muslim-majority nations are not all "hellholes" as you say
///l2research
 
2010-10-18 10:13:57 PM
mark12A: Kemal Aratuk

Not to be confused with that other guy with the same first name.
 
2010-10-18 10:14:10 PM
mark12A:

Name a country controlled by Muslims that you would enjoy living in.


Dubai, UAE
 
2010-10-18 10:14:49 PM
pictures.topspeed.com

"In some parts of America they've actually started mating with vegetables."


/It's so sad he's actually right ...
 
2010-10-18 10:15:57 PM
For my next holiday, I'll be on a Malaysian or Indonesian beach. You can have Branson.

No public displays of affection, dawg!

From Wiki,

Malaysia:
Also, principles of modesty apply not only to accepted dress codes but public behavior in general. Similar to the expectations in most Muslim nations, males and females are dicouraged from meeting in social situations without a chaperone unless the meeting conforms to proper Islamic pre-marital arrangements that culminate in marriage. This injunction not only precludes "small talk" but also precludes ostentatious behavior such as PDA(Public Displayes of Affection) and egregious flirtation. In conservative states where PAS has more influence, such as Kelantan, different genders are at least theoretically segregated in public places like the cinema and supermarket.

And tightening it's grip in Indonesia:

"Shari'a generated debate and concern during 2004, and many of the issues raised touched on religious freedom. Aceh remained the only part of the country where the central Government specifically authorized Shari'a. Law 18/2001 granted Aceh special autonomy and included authority for Aceh to establish a system of Shari'a as an adjunct to, not a replacement for, national civil and criminal law..."

Like the Borg, steadily push and push...
 
2010-10-18 10:17:31 PM
LavenderWolf: /seriously.
//Muslim-majority nations are not all "hellholes" as you say
///l2research


Not all, but you must admit Islam as a global ideology has many serious and deep seeded problems - that affect not only its adherents but non-muslims too.

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

(just for starters)
 
2010-10-18 10:21:18 PM
mark12A: Like the Borg, steadily push and push...

Sweet. I've never been called the Borg before. Can I make robot noises when I sharia all over you?
 
2010-10-18 10:21:20 PM
mark12A: Name a country controlled by Muslims that you would enjoy living in

How about the USA? (he's a Muslim right?)
 
2010-10-18 10:21:35 PM
mark12A: No public displays of affection, dawg!

That applies to Muslims. You don't have to be a Muslim there.
This is why I asked what "controlled" means.
Theocracy or just Muslim majority?
I wouldn't want to live in a theocracy of any religion. Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu. They would all suck.
But I've had great times in beautiful countries that are Muslim majority, but not theocracies.
 
2010-10-18 10:24:34 PM
0Icky0: mark12A: No public displays of affection, dawg!

That applies to Muslims. You don't have to be a Muslim there.
This is why I asked what "controlled" means.
Theocracy or just Muslim majority?
I wouldn't want to live in a theocracy of any religion. Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu. They would all suck.
But I've had great times in beautiful countries that are Muslim majority, but not theocracies.


The point is not to throw the baby out with the bathwater - the fact that there are ok Muslim majority places in the world does not mean you get to shrug off the widespread oppression, violence and bigotry directly attributable to Islam that occurs in many other places.
 
2010-10-18 10:29:43 PM
Dubai Vol: mark12A:

Name a country controlled by Muslims that you would enjoy living in.

Dubai, UAE


Turkey
 
2010-10-18 10:31:43 PM
Fuller: the fact that there are ok Muslim majority places in the world does not mean you get to shrug off the widespread oppression, violence and bigotry directly attributable to Islam that occurs in many other places.

No, but it does mean we get to shrug off the stupid comment that Muslim countries are all hell-holes.
 
2010-10-18 10:34:25 PM
0Icky0: No, but it does mean we get to shrug off the stupid comment that Muslim countries are all hell-holes.

Well its not entirely accurate, but its far closer to accuracy than saying that none of them are.
 
2010-10-18 10:38:11 PM
All worship the mighty penis god!
74.92.166.162

All other religions are false!
 
2010-10-18 10:43:46 PM
Fuller: Well its not entirely accurate, but its far closer to accuracy than saying that none of them are.

But since nobody is saying that, what's your point?
 
2010-10-18 10:49:03 PM
LavenderWolf: That's true for people of ANY religion. They feel they have the truth, and every other religion is a misguided cult.

Any religion?

upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-10-18 10:53:08 PM
0Icky0: But since nobody is saying that, what's your point?

It seems to me that the important facts about the issue often get lost in the hyperbole, so I feel compelled to mention them myself. On one side people are all islam is the devil araghrhar and on the other side people are all islam is rainbows and sunshine yaaaayy. It just seems so rare to see when Islam is brought up a dispassionate and objective discussion of the very serious and very real issues.
 
2010-10-18 11:01:46 PM
Fuller: It seems to me that the important facts about the issue often get lost in the hyperbole, so I feel compelled to mention them myself. On one side people are all islam is the devil araghrhar and on the other side people are all islam is rainbows and sunshine yaaaayy.

I don't think anyone has claimed that Islam is inherently rainbows and/or sunshine. If you're putting Mark12A at one end of the argument spectrum, the contrary position is simply that Muslims have a broad range of political and social ideologies, and it's crude bigotry to label them all as terrorists or militants. There is absolutely no justification for feeling threatened by anyone building a mosque in Tennessee, or even Manhattan.
 
2010-10-18 11:15:02 PM
mark12A: Name a country controlled by Muslims that you would enjoy living in.

Senegal

Fuller: the fact that there are ok Muslim majority places in the world does not mean you get to shrug off the widespread oppression, violence and bigotry directly attributable to Islam that occurs in many other places.

Before talking about bigotry over there, how about taking care of it here first?
 
2010-10-18 11:18:13 PM
Fuller: On one side people are all islam is the devil araghrhar and on the other side people are all islam is rainbows and sunshine yaaaayy.

Nobody is saying that.
 
2010-10-18 11:23:39 PM
Hickory-smoked: I don't think anyone has claimed that Islam is inherently rainbows and/or sunshine. If you're putting Mark12A at one end of the argument spectrum, the contrary position is simply that Muslims have a broad range of political and social ideologies, and it's crude bigotry to label them all as terrorists or militants. There is absolutely no justification for feeling threatened by anyone building a mosque in Tennessee, or even Manhattan.

What I'm trying to do is separate bigotry from legitimate criticism of an ideology. Damn right I'm threatened by mosques, just as I am churches. They have every right to be there, but they still represent a celebration of superstition and irrationality. Does that make me a bigot? I despise all the major religions, and I reserve a special disain for Islam proportional to the harm that is caused by it. That doesn't mean I think all muslims are terrorists, though, because that is ridiculous.
 
2010-10-18 11:27:16 PM
WhyteRaven74: Before talking about bigotry over there, how about taking care of it here first?

Both are good. How much more harm is being caused by the bigotry over there, though? I would put to you that its a hell of a lot more.

0Icky0: Nobody is saying that.

Many will to a large extent ignore and/or minimise the harm caused by Islam in an attempt to present it as an enlightened and peaceful religion, though.
 
2010-10-18 11:35:21 PM
As long as you don't leave bruises, you can beat your wife all you want, as a Muslim. Fark must love that.
 
2010-10-18 11:39:22 PM
Fuller: Many will to a large extent ignore and/or minimise the harm caused by Islam in an attempt to present it as an enlightened and peaceful religion, though.

Many Muslims will, sure.

But saying that not all Muslims are rampaging monsters is not "minimizing the harm". It's just speaking truth.
 
2010-10-18 11:40:23 PM
NutWrench: Fundamentalist Christianity, on the other hand, is the world wide wrestling federation of religions.

www.stephenbailey.com
In which, this is how they see muslims.

media.giantbomb.com
This is how they see themselves.

cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com
And this is how everyone else sees them.

/hot like TNA is better right now.
 
2010-10-18 11:42:48 PM
0Icky0: Fuller: Many will to a large extent ignore and/or minimise the harm caused by Islam in an attempt to present it as an enlightened and peaceful religion, though.

Many Muslims will, sure.

But saying that not all Muslims are rampaging monsters is not "minimizing the harm". It's just speaking truth.


This ... radical Islam is just an extension of one faith. Similar to the IRA and Sinn Fein. It is *NOT* the view of the entire Islamic world.

People seem to have this confused. But, I suppose what goes around comes around ... to most of the world, people from Alabama have 4 teefs and make love to goats.
 
2010-10-18 11:43:29 PM
0Icky0: Many Muslims will, sure.

But saying that not all Muslims are rampaging monsters is not "minimizing the harm". It's just speaking truth.


Undoubtedly, and that's as much what I was saying as anything else.

Frustratingly, and perhaps obviously the conservative christian faction taints the argument by freaking out about mosques etc. It means when you go to say anything critical of Islam folk assume you are one of those morons. I've been called a neocon, bigot, racist etc...just for criticising the religion on exactly the same terms as I would any other religion (which, pointedly, does not invoke the same insults as a result). The dynamic of the discussion needs to change, I guess is my point.
 
2010-10-18 11:47:14 PM
seadoo2006: This ... radical Islam is just an extension of one faith. Similar to the IRA and Sinn Fein. It is *NOT* the view of the entire Islamic world.

Yes, this is correct, but when framed like you've done here it looks like radical islam is small and fringe. It is not. It's actually quite large and imposing, and needs to be taken seriously, wild accusations of the christian right notwithstanding.
 
2010-10-18 11:54:19 PM
Fuller: Yes, this is correct, but when framed like you've done here it looks like radical islam is small and fringe. It is not. It's actually quite large and imposing, and needs to be taken seriously

Yes, but I need to laugh when Americans take it more seriously than they ever did the 10,000 Soviet nuclear warheads that were pointed at them.
 
2010-10-18 11:58:10 PM
Thunderpipes: Fark must love that.

See, now there's some trolling...
 
2010-10-19 12:17:15 AM
Shostie: Barbigazi: bberg: Nabb1: You can't take these things for granted. The Supreme Court once held that the tomato is a vegetable.* Not in passing, not in dicta, but that was the actual case.

*It's a fruit. Go look it up.

Quoth the wiki:

In 1887, U.S. tariff laws that imposed a duty on vegetables but not on fruits caused the tomato's status to become a matter of legal importance. The U.S. Supreme Court settled the controversy on May 10, 1893 by declaring that the tomato is a vegetable, based on the popular definition that classifies vegetables by use, that they are generally served with dinner and not dessert (Nix v. Hedden (149 U.S. 304)). The holding of the case applies only to the interpretation of the Tariff Act of March 3, 1883, and the court did not purport to reclassify the tomato for botanical or other purpose.

Seems reasonable to me since other "vegetables" like zucchini, pumpkins, and cucumbers are also technically fruits. IOW: It's only a vegetable for tax purposes.

I'm only a vegetable for tax purposes.

Terry Shaivo?

Is that you?


www.kotaku.com
 
2010-10-19 12:19:38 AM
mark12A: Islam in its present form is intrinsically incompatible with modern civilized society. It is aggressive, spread by violence and intimidation, unbelievably intolerant, and is currently the PRIMARY source of conflict in the world today, causing fights all across Africa, Middle East and Asia.

Islam evolved from Arab cultures living a subsistance lifestyle in the desert, where all their weird practices came from. It made sense at the time to own and control women like commodities, since women were needed to keep the tribe populated, but couldn't reproduce at will because too many children would starve out the tribe. Dissent was NOT tolerated, because disputes would divert the tribe's attentions from doing what was needed to survive, hence the rigid mindset and resistance to change, the fierce demands for total loyalty to the tribe, the harsh punishments (cutting off hands, whipping, etc.) because they didn't have the resources for extensive law establishments and prisons, etc.

They *should* have moderated when they accessed the modern world of technology and resources, instead they have stubbornly held to their old ways.

Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. all changed as the world changed. Muslims did not.

Libs denounce criticism of Islam as bigotry, equating it to the unfair attacks on Catholics and Jews. But Christians, Jews, moderated over time and became tolerant and adapted to the modern world. The Muslims are showing NO signs of doing that. They don't assimulate, they invade. They show up in our western societies, which went through a lot of struggle to become tolerant, fair, free societies, and expect to continue their old ways of honor killings, killing apostates, etc., and threatening those who don't agree with their ways.

And you numbskulls think you're being uber-kewl by equating their struggle as a typical struggle to be accepted by others, like the Catholics and Jews. You're asking the rest of us to accept their barbaric ways and let them continue to spread them here. You have an irrational, emotional urge to champion the perceived underdog, regardless of the actual values the underdog is pushing. The fact that they're underdogs gives them a moral justification in your eyes.

You should be demanding that they change and accept our values of freedom and democracy, like all the other major religions have already done. But you're not.

We are a modern, technological society, hopefully pushing out toward the stars. Do you really think we need to helping to spread a weird cult that prays five times a day, compulsively facing Mecca, with lots of weird compulsions like which hand to use to eat with, and which hand to wash with (we got lots of water now, kids, we're not in the desert anymore) treats women like livestock, hates and punishes dissent and wants to do away with democracy and impose a theocracy? Do you really want the whole world to be run like Iran? Or Saudi?

Islam and rationality are fundementally incompatible. I want the world to go forward, not backward. I want freedom. I want people to live their lives as they see fit, not controlled by crazy old Imans.

Look at the parts of the world controlled by Islam. Without exception, they are hellholes. And you're completely cool with allowing these maniacs to spread their ridiculous practices here?

What's next? Bring back footbinding?



Feel better? I know I always do after taking a giant shiat.
 
2010-10-19 12:51:50 AM
youngprogressive.files.wordpress.com

//TAITZ?
 
2010-10-19 01:39:41 AM
Kamal Saleem, former Sunni Muslim PLO terrorist and career mercenary (now Christian) states plainly: "Dawah is the evangelism of the Muslim -- how they go from one country to another and they start pursuing Islam through building mosques, building Muslim centers -- just like is happening all over the United States of America." (Kamal has been a guest on Understanding the Times radio a number of times, most recently, August 21, 2010.)



This mission strategy is pervasive. We're not simply discussing door-to-door evangelism here. In America it includes open houses at mosques (particularly immediately after 9/11), cross-cultural home groups, Koran studies, prison outreach, the infiltration of university campuses, the taking of government jobs, opening drug and alcohol centers - to name just a few of their endeavors. Oh yes, and the building of mosques.



Kamal says that when he originally came to the United States, "I came to this land -- to America -- for the purpose to cut her feet out from under her. How do you do this? You take her choicest people -- her children. You teach them Islam . . . and you impact their students in universities and high schools . . . these are the future of this country."



"So what we have ended up with today is basically a generation that is brainwashed in our universities, brainwashed by our media elites -- which basically are the graduates of those universities that now hold positions in the media -- and now they are influencing the opinion of the next generation coming up," explains Brigitte Gabriel, a Lebanese journalist, author and activist and founder of American Congress for Truth and ACT! for America.



This explains a lot, does it not? At the beginning of this century, pre-9/11, Americans as a whole hardly gave Islam a thought and yet even back then there was Islamic scheming to convert America to the way of Islam.



So today, we have Muslim calls to prayer in Manhattan, New York; Dearborn police defending Islam against the Constitution of the United States at the 2010 Arab Festival; an annual Muslim parade in New York City that obstructs streets for blocks around as Muslims kneel to pray to Allah - the moon god of ancient Mesopotamia; a city council that approves Muslim prayers over loudspeakers within city limits; a congressman of the United States sworn in on the Koran; a president who does his first formal TV interview with an Arabic cable television network; a mayor of one of the cities attacked by Muslim terrorists nine years ago who defends the building of a 13-story mosque on the very ground where Americans were buried in rubble from the decimation; and Muslims appointed to posts within our own Homeland Security! And that's just a little taste of what's going on in America today thanks to the missionary work of faithful adherents to Islam.



FYI, according to Noni Darwish, an Egyptian-American Christian and director of Former Muslims United, "That American congressman who put his hand upon the Koran and not the Bible? He meant to send a message to both Islamists -- 'we're winning' -- and to the American people -- 'we are here - we are here to stay'. And this is just the beginning."
 
2010-10-19 01:44:23 AM
MAAG: This mission strategy is pervasive. We're not simply discussing door-to-door evangelism here. In America it includes open houses at mosques (particularly immediately after 9/11), cross-cultural home groups, Koran studies, prison outreach, the infiltration of university campuses, the taking of government jobs, opening drug and alcohol centers - to name just a few of their endeavors. Oh yes, and the building of mosques.

Wow! It's almost as if they think these things are legal to do in this Constitutionally Christian theocracy!

I love that word "infiltration". It means going somewhere and talking to people about stuff, but in a sort of brown and accented way.
 
2010-10-19 01:47:39 AM
0Icky0: Wow! It's almost as if they think these things are legal to do in this Constitutionally Christian theocracy!

The US is not that.

0Icky0: I love that word "infiltration". It means going somewhere and talking to people about stuff, but in a sort of brown and accented way.

A religion is not a race.
 
2010-10-19 01:48:41 AM
Fuller: The US is not that.

Kind of my point. Has your sarcasm bone been removed?Fuller: A religion is not a race.

No kidding. See above.
 
2010-10-19 01:52:08 AM
0Icky0: MAAG: This mission strategy is pervasive. We're not simply discussing door-to-door evangelism here. In America it includes open houses at mosques (particularly immediately after 9/11), cross-cultural home groups, Koran studies, prison outreach, the infiltration of university campuses, the taking of government jobs, opening drug and alcohol centers - to name just a few of their endeavors. Oh yes, and the building of mosques.

Wow! It's almost as if they think these things are legal to do in this Constitutionally Christian theocracy!

I love that word "infiltration". It means going somewhere and talking to people about stuff, but in a sort of brown and accented way.


What do you think the Balkans war was about?
 
2010-10-19 01:57:28 AM
MAAG: What do you think the Balkans war was about?

About religion and nationalism.

....and?

Oh wait...you're afraid that the 1% of Americans who are Muslim are going to start a shooting war against the Christians, secularists, Jews, and Mormons. You know, the people with all the tanks and planes and aircraft carriers.

You would save a lot of typing if you instead just wrote this simple sentence;"I am a huge pussy and wet my panties at the thought of a turban."
 
2010-10-19 02:36:17 AM
MAAG: What do you think the Balkans war was about?

Oh, and just to make you wet your panties a little bit more...America came into that war on the side of the Muslims.

Mwaaahaahahahahahahallahuakbaaaaarrr!
 
2010-10-19 03:57:59 AM
Subby: My answer is Woo woo woo! Think ya found sumthin?

/I don't.
 
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