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2010-10-18 08:27:21 PM  
No, it isn't. It's a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's *way* beyond a conventional religion.

The are showing no signs of moderating, or reducing their threats. They're like the Borg. They will NOT stop until they are stopped. They have always been like that their entire history. They push, and push until they're thrown back.

The Crusades 2.0 is coming. Count on it.

/not trolling
 
2010-10-18 08:27:35 PM  
phatjanus: Just to play devil's advocate. One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion. The Quran is a history of military actions, taboos, social mores, dietetic laws and prophetic writings with only very loose connections to other Abrahamic teaching.
AFAIK Mohammad performed no healings or miraculous actions (aside from the ascension to Heaven on the rock). He was simply ONE prophet to his followers. Even more restrictive Mohammedans hold he and only SOME of his descendants as correct with its interpretations.

I am not a theology student, just riffing.


And Christianity has very loose connections with what the Christ actually taught. Just saying.
 
2010-10-18 08:28:04 PM  
phatjanus: One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion.

You're right. Those Bosnians are exactly the same as the Egyptians who are exactly the same as the Indonesians.
 
2010-10-18 08:28:34 PM  
Getting in the way of what amounts to a local zoning decision? hmmm.....
 
2010-10-18 08:28:58 PM  
mark12A: /not trolling

Feels intrigued by your uncontainable desire to showcase your stupidity. "I'm a farking idiot and a bigot..and no, I'm not kidding."
 
2010-10-18 08:29:05 PM  
Cambrian: phatjanus: Just to play devil's advocate. One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion. The Quran is a history of military actions, taboos, social mores, dietetic laws and prophetic writings with only very loose connections to other Abrahamic teaching.
AFAIK Mohammad performed no healings or miraculous actions (aside from the ascension to Heaven on the rock). He was simply ONE prophet to his followers. Even more restrictive Mohammedans hold he and only SOME of his descendants as correct with its interpretations.

I am not a theology student, just riffing.

The Old Testament would like a word with you.


Hence the part in bold.
 
2010-10-18 08:29:46 PM  
mark12A: No, it isn't. It's a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's *way* beyond a conventional religion.

The are showing no signs of moderating, or reducing their threats. They're like the Borg. They will NOT stop until they are stopped. They have always been like that their entire history. They push, and push until they're thrown back.

The Crusades 2.0 is coming. Count on it.

/not trolling


Sadly, it's entirely possible that you're not. Ignorant filth like this is being spewed by talking heads on Fox News every night. Which is why an intervention like this from the DOJ is actually necessary.
 
2010-10-18 08:30:13 PM  
T-Luv: ANTENNANAUT: Fine. Now what is a "religion?"

Depends on what the definition of "is" is.


Well played sir.

Not to come across as all sober and such, but leaned Muslims might argue that Islam is not a "religion" per se. Rather, it is the "din al-hanif", or..."the nature of things". From that Muslim's perspective Judaism and Christianity are "religions", but it (Islam) is the ultimate truth, and so beyond mere religion.

Does that make sense?
 
2010-10-18 08:31:51 PM  
Of course, had this insanity been taking place two years ago, the Bush DoJ would have filed the exact same brief. Yet I will guarantee you that this thread will be filled with the usual cadre of slobbering diddlers who are angry -- nay, furious -- about how this Secret Muslim is persecuting them.
 
2010-10-18 08:32:00 PM  
12349876: phatjanus: One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion.

You're right. Those Bosnians are exactly the same as the Egyptians who are exactly the same as the Indonesians.


If one was to live a totally strict orthodox Islamlic life-style I think that they would be analogous without regard to location.
 
2010-10-18 08:33:30 PM  
phatjanus: If one was to live a totally strict orthodox Islamlic life-style I think that they would be analogous without regard to location.

No, simply no.
 
2010-10-18 08:33:54 PM  
phatjanus: 12349876: phatjanus: One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion.

You're right. Those Bosnians are exactly the same as the Egyptians who are exactly the same as the Indonesians.

If one was to live a totally strict orthodox Islamlic life-style I think that they would be analogous without regard to location.


O.K., you've done enough now to establish that no one need ever take anything you have to say about Islam (or, indeed, religion in general) seriously. I think you can quit now.
 
2010-10-18 08:33:56 PM  
phatjanus: 12349876: phatjanus: One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion.

You're right. Those Bosnians are exactly the same as the Egyptians who are exactly the same as the Indonesians.

If one was to live a totally strict orthodox Islamlic life-style I think that they would be analogous without regard to location.


You could say that about any religion.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-10-18 08:34:22 PM  
Getting in the way of what amounts to a local zoning decision? hmmm.....

Not even that. The zoning decision was in favor of the mosque. Some neighbors are suing to block it. There was similar legal action against a Mormon temple in my area a few years back and the Bush administration didn't see the need to get involved. The state courts ruled against the abutters in due course.

The Obama administration is trying to score points in an election year by wasting federal resources to stop a frivolous lawsuit in state court.
 
2010-10-18 08:36:27 PM  
Well, it is somewhat arbitrary. If they get enough or the right people to agree that it's not a religion, then it's not. Discussion worth having in Islam's case? You decide.

12349876: You could say that about any religion.

Some invite it more than others. *cough* Jews *cough*
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-10-18 08:36:40 PM  
I should clarify frivolous. Insofar as the lawsuit against construction relies on Islam not being a real religion, it is frivolous. There may be other, legitimate state law grounds for the lawsuit.
 
2010-10-18 08:36:44 PM  
ZAZ: trying to score points in an election year

They're trying to score points by currying favor with that massive muslim voting block? They've noticed the huge political movement in favor of all things muslim in this country? They see the massive pro-muslim "let them build their damn mosques!" movement that's sweeping the nation's media?

Or are you writing from some other American on some other planet?
 
2010-10-18 08:36:46 PM  
CitizenTed: Raging Thespian: It seems like for every minute bigoted idiots spend spouting horseshiat, about 10 hours of work has to go into conclusively proving them completely wrong. It's very frustrating.

I think they like it. It's much like toddlers who repeat "Why? Why? Why?" to a parent. They see the parent doing cartwheels to explain everything in depth, and the toddlers enjoy it. They're not actually listening to any of the answers; they're just reveling in the attention. This explains the Teabaggers and even Bevets.

Infants. All of them.


The hell? Don't you remember your childhood? I asked "Why? Why? Why?" because I was genuinely interested in the answers and was curious about the world.
 
2010-10-18 08:37:14 PM  
mark12A: The Crusades 2.0 is coming. Count on it.

It would be easier to take your historical interpretation more seriously if your release number wasn't off by 8.
 
2010-10-18 08:37:23 PM  
Snot Monster from Outer Space: phatjanus: 12349876: phatjanus: One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion.

You're right. Those Bosnians are exactly the same as the Egyptians who are exactly the same as the Indonesians.

If one was to live a totally strict orthodox Islamlic life-style I think that they would be analogous without regard to location.

O.K., you've done enough now to establish that no one need ever take anything you have to say about Islam (or, indeed, religion in general) seriously. I think you can quit now.


Sweet, you figured out the point that NO religion in general should be taken seriously.
 
2010-10-18 08:37:25 PM  
Snot Monster from Outer Space: Rodddxl: In the brief, the DOJ argues that the lawsuit implicates two federal civil rights statutes, the Religious Land Use Act and the Church Arson Prevention Act, which fall under the DOJ's purview. The county, the brief argues, would be in danger of violating the land use act were it to deny building permits for the mosque.

I'm sure the DOJ has thrown its weight around in order to get the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church a permit to REBUILD at ground zero too. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites or give preferential treatment to one religion over another in violation of the "seperation of church and state".

Or you could consider what actually happened int he case of the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church:

"St. Nicholas Orthodox Church has always had and will continue to have the right to rebuild on its original location. The question was whether public money would be spent to build a much larger church at a separate location on the site and ensuring that construction wouldn't delay the World Trade Center further," spokesman Stephen Sigmund said in a written statement. "On that question, we worked for many years to reach an agreement and offered up to 60 million dollars of public money to build that much larger new church. After reaching what we believed was an agreement in 2008, representatives of the church wanted even more public commitments, including unacceptable approvals on the design of the Vehicle Security Center that threatened to further delay the construction on the World Trade Center and the potential for another $20 million of public funds."


Yeah, you could.

Archdiocese officials disputed the Port Authority's claims, saying the church has complied with all conditions.

"It's not about money," Arey said.

The Port Authority and the church announced a deal in July 2008 under which the Port Authority would grant land and up to $20 million to help rebuild the church.
 
2010-10-18 08:37:36 PM  
TravisBickle62:

/Obama is a LIGER!
//And everybody knows you can't trust a LIGER!



Obama's an Asian wrestler? Wait-an Indonesian wrestler? Seekrit Mooslim wrestler!

slam.canoe.ca
 
2010-10-18 08:39:24 PM  
phatjanus: O.K., you've done enough now to establish that no one need ever take anything you have to say about Islam (or, indeed, religion in general) seriously. I think you can quit now.

Sweet, you figured out the point that NO religion in general should be taken seriously.


O.K., and now you've shown that you can't even understand simple English sentences. You really should have stopped when you were only a very, very long way behind.
 
2010-10-18 08:39:58 PM  
Jamespoon: coco ebert: Conservatives didn't seem to have a problem with mosques when Bush was saying that Islam was a religion of peace, which to be fair to him, he said quite a bit. Gee, I wonder why it's a problem now.

Sam Huntington sure overlooked our own tendencies when claiming that it was just Islam that had the "bloody borders".


Huntington is like the Fark Politics Tab of the academic world.
 
2010-10-18 08:40:11 PM  
Thunderpipes: Same DoJ that claims only white people can be guilty of voter intimidation?

No, this one exists in reality.
 
2010-10-18 08:41:09 PM  
phatjanus: Just to play devil's advocate. One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion. The Quran is a history of military actions, taboos, social mores, dietetic laws and prophetic writings with only very loose connections to other Abrahamic teaching.
AFAIK Mohammad performed no healings or miraculous actions (aside from the ascension to Heaven on the rock). He was simply ONE prophet to his followers. Even more restrictive Mohammedans hold he and only SOME of his descendants as correct with its interpretations.

I am not a theology student, just riffing.

------------------------------------------------
Okay... and the Bible ISN'T a history of military actions, taboos, social mores, dietetic laws and prophetic writings? Sure, it's the ORIGIN of Abrahamic teaching- the old testament, anyway, but I had no idea that "Abrahamic Teachings" was one of the primary defining characteristics of a religion. And yes, I know there's plenty of dumbasses who actually think that way, but since when have we let the dumbasses run things?

Oh. Yeah... uh... Never mind- carry on.
 
2010-10-18 08:41:29 PM  
mark12A: /not trolling

I think you're confused about what trolling is. A troll is any inflammatory post with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response.

Even if you're stupid enough to believe what you say, if you're just saying it just to "piss off the libs", it's still a troll.
 
2010-10-18 08:42:43 PM  
Rodddxl: Snot Monster from Outer Space: Rodddxl: In the brief, the DOJ argues that the lawsuit implicates two federal civil rights statutes, the Religious Land Use Act and the Church Arson Prevention Act, which fall under the DOJ's purview. The county, the brief argues, would be in danger of violating the land use act were it to deny building permits for the mosque.

I'm sure the DOJ has thrown its weight around in order to get the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church a permit to REBUILD at ground zero too. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites or give preferential treatment to one religion over another in violation of the "seperation of church and state".

Or you could consider what actually happened int he case of the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church:

"St. Nicholas Orthodox Church has always had and will continue to have the right to rebuild on its original location. The question was whether public money would be spent to build a much larger church at a separate location on the site and ensuring that construction wouldn't delay the World Trade Center further," spokesman Stephen Sigmund said in a written statement. "On that question, we worked for many years to reach an agreement and offered up to 60 million dollars of public money to build that much larger new church. After reaching what we believed was an agreement in 2008, representatives of the church wanted even more public commitments, including unacceptable approvals on the design of the Vehicle Security Center that threatened to further delay the construction on the World Trade Center and the potential for another $20 million of public funds."

Yeah, you could.

Archdiocese officials disputed the Port Authority's claims, saying the church has complied with all conditions.

"It's not about money," Arey said.

The Port Authority and the church announced a deal in July 2008 under which the Port Authority would grant land and up to $20 million to help rebuild the church.


They have every right to "rebuild." They don't want to rebuild--they want to build a bigger church in a different place and they want the taxpayer to fund the reconstruction. Nobody, at all, is denying them the right to build a church with their own money on a site they legally own that meets appropriate zoning requirements.
 
2010-10-18 08:42:50 PM  
I'm sure the DOJ has thrown its weight around in order to get the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church a permit to REBUILD at ground zero too. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites or give preferential treatment to one religion over another in violation of the "seperation of church and state".

Nice derp, but there is nothing stoppng the chruch from rebuiding at ground zero. The issue is the port authority offered them several million dollars to relocated to another parcel but it wasn't enough to make the church happy. Meanwhile, they are free to rebuild, but they've chosen not to.
 
2010-10-18 08:43:35 PM  
Hickory-smoked: Thunderpipes: Same DoJ that claims only white people can be guilty of voter intimidation?

No, this one exists in reality.


Snert.
 
2010-10-18 08:43:57 PM  
phatjanus: Just to play devil's advocate. One might say that Islam is a culture more than a religion. The Quran is a history of military actions, taboos, social mores, dietetic laws and prophetic writings with only very loose connections to other Abrahamic teaching.
AFAIK Mohammad performed no healings or miraculous actions (aside from the ascension to Heaven on the rock). He was simply ONE prophet to his followers. Even more restrictive Mohammedans hold he and only SOME of his descendants as correct with its interpretations.

I am not a theology student, just riffing.


Somebody hasn't ever read the bible...

/read much of it
//it's all hogwash
 
2010-10-18 08:46:54 PM  
mark12A: No, it isn't. It's a cross between a political movement, a cult and an obsessive-compulsive disorder. It's *way* beyond a conventional religion.

The are showing no signs of moderating, or reducing their threats. They're like the Borg. They will NOT stop until they are stopped. They have always been like that their entire history. They push, and push until they're thrown back.

The Crusades 2.0 is coming. Count on it.

/not trolling


You're an idiot and have never met anybody who actually takes their religion seriously.

/citation: Was close to a family of people belonging to the Coptic Catholic Church of Alexandria
//They take that shiat just as seriously as anybody takes Islam.
 
2010-10-18 08:48:10 PM  
Snot Monster from Outer Space: phatjanus: O.K., you've done enough now to establish that no one need ever take anything you have to say about Islam (or, indeed, religion in general) seriously. I think you can quit now.

Sweet, you figured out the point that NO religion in general should be taken seriously.

O.K., and now you've shown that you can't even understand simple English sentences. You really should have stopped when you were only a very, very long way behind.


Devil's advocate (new window)
I don't care if Islam or Judaism or the FSM is a real religion. They all suck and serve as wedges of division and prejudice.
 
2010-10-18 08:49:25 PM  
StoneColdAtheist: T-Luv: ANTENNANAUT: Fine. Now what is a "religion?"

Depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Well played sir.

Not to come across as all sober and such, but leaned Muslims might argue that Islam is not a "religion" per se. Rather, it is the "din al-hanif", or..."the nature of things". From that Muslim's perspective Judaism and Christianity are "religions", but it (Islam) is the ultimate truth, and so beyond mere religion.

Does that make sense?


That's true for people of ANY religion. They feel they have the truth, and every other religion is a misguided cult.
 
2010-10-18 08:50:58 PM  
ZAZ: Getting in the way of what amounts to a local zoning decision? hmmm.....

Not even that. The zoning decision was in favor of the mosque. Some neighbors are suing to block it. There was similar legal action against a Mormon temple in my area a few years back and the Bush administration didn't see the need to get involved. The state courts ruled against the abutters in due course.

The Obama administration is trying to score points in an election year by wasting federal resources to stop a frivolous lawsuit in state court.


Well, that or they recognize the huge surge in anti-muslim sentiment.

Idiot.
 
2010-10-18 08:51:52 PM  
LavenderWolf: StoneColdAtheist: T-Luv: ANTENNANAUT: Fine. Now what is a "religion?"

Depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Well played sir.

Not to come across as all sober and such, but leaned Muslims might argue that Islam is not a "religion" per se. Rather, it is the "din al-hanif", or..."the nature of things". From that Muslim's perspective Judaism and Christianity are "religions", but it (Islam) is the ultimate truth, and so beyond mere religion.

Does that make sense?

That's true for people of ANY religion. They feel they have the truth, and every other religion is a misguided cult.


^THIS. My god can beat-up your god and now we have to fight about it.
 
2010-10-18 08:52:32 PM  
Rashnu: Well, it is somewhat arbitrary. If they get enough or the right people to agree that it's not a religion, then it's not. Discussion worth having in Islam's case? You decide.

12349876: You could say that about any religion.

Some invite it more than others. *cough* Jews *cough*


"Well, they're right if we all decide to change the meaning of words to fit their opinions."

Yeah. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.
 
2010-10-18 08:54:33 PM  
bberg: Seems reasonable to me since other "vegetables" like zucchini, pumpkins, and cucumbers are also technically fruits. IOW: It's only a vegetable for tax purposes.

Quite reasonable, given that botanically speaking, there's really no such thing as a vegetable. It's a term commonly used in the vernacular, but not in botany.
 
2010-10-18 08:55:17 PM  
Hickory-smoked: mark12A: The Crusades 2.0 is coming. Count on it.

It would be easier to take your historical interpretation more seriously if your release number wasn't off by 8.


The Crusades. It's already plural, and that idiot didn't realize that it referred to more than one Crusade.

I lol'd
 
2010-10-18 08:59:35 PM  
Rodddxl: In the brief, the DOJ argues that the lawsuit implicates two federal civil rights statutes, the Religious Land Use Act and the Church Arson Prevention Act, which fall under the DOJ's purview. The county, the brief argues, would be in danger of violating the land use act were it to deny building permits for the mosque.

I'm sure the DOJ has thrown its weight around in order to get the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church a permit to REBUILD at ground zero too. They wouldn't want to look like hypocrites or give preferential treatment to one religion over another in violation of the "seperation of church and state".


I guess them having all of the proper permits is just irrelevant?
 
2010-10-18 09:00:17 PM  
phatjanus: LavenderWolf: StoneColdAtheist: T-Luv: ANTENNANAUT: Fine. Now what is a "religion?"

Depends on what the definition of "is" is.

Well played sir.

Not to come across as all sober and such, but leaned Muslims might argue that Islam is not a "religion" per se. Rather, it is the "din al-hanif", or..."the nature of things". From that Muslim's perspective Judaism and Christianity are "religions", but it (Islam) is the ultimate truth, and so beyond mere religion.

Does that make sense?

That's true for people of ANY religion. They feel they have the truth, and every other religion is a misguided cult.

^THIS. My god can beat-up your god and now we have to fight about it.


My god is Reason, and he CAN beat up your god.
 
2010-10-18 09:10:24 PM  
This is a piss-poor fear-based attack by an ignorant community. Hmm... how do we stop this? Can we argue that Islam isn't a religion? Yes, yes, that's exactly the thing!

I am tired of these (often American) myopic views of the world and complete lack of regard for world history. How can it be argued that Islam isn't a religion? Only in a lawyer's mind can this even become a topic for discussion.

I think, and this is just an opinionated tangential rant, that too many people drag out the phrase "I'm a real American" and don't quite understand what that means. It *should* specifically NOT mean stamping out differing viewpoints, lifestyles, or religious beliefs. Too many people seem to adopt this "not in my backyard" mentality when this whole dern Nation is supposed to be everyone's backyard. That's what being a real American should mean. That you don't go out of your way to suppress and oppress things you object to. If you object to homosexuality, atheism, christianity, islam, mormonism or putting mayonaise on a burger... shut your cake hole and live your own life... after all you are allowed to do so here. Just don't try to file for tax exemptions under the Church of the Foonz.
 
2010-10-18 09:10:25 PM  
LavenderWolf: Rashnu: Well, it is somewhat arbitrary. If they get enough or the right people to agree that it's not a religion, then it's not. Discussion worth having in Islam's case? You decide.

12349876: You could say that about any religion.

Some invite it more than others. *cough* Jews *cough*

"Well, they're right if we all decide to change the meaning of words to fit their opinions."

Yeah. And if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon.



Wasn't saying they have any chance of succeeding. I think the "Big 3" are pretty safely grandfathered in at this point. Consider historical intra-religious fights over what qualifies as authentic religion: a.k.a. stamping out heresy. Those were essentially fights over the meanings of words to fit opinions. The Huguenots and others lost.

It'd be interesting to check in on Scientology in a few generations. It's considered by many not to be a "real" religion. Will Scientology survive and flourish, remain a recognized but fringe religion, or be recognized as dangerous and redefined as not a 'real' religion (following the Anonymous Riots of 2160)? At the time many Jews saw Jesus as the just figurehead of some millennial cult after all.
 
2010-10-18 09:17:39 PM  
LavenderWolf:

My god is Reason, and he CAN beat up your god.



Reason is easily defeated by my knob

and my knob is beaten time and time again by me.

ERGO: I am the best god.
 
2010-10-18 09:24:01 PM  
smegforbrains: LavenderWolf:

My god is Reason, and he CAN beat up your god.


Reason is easily defeated by my knob

and my knob is beaten time and time again by me.

ERGO: I am the best god.


I just can't argue with your logic.

SMEGFORBRAINS FOR POPE OF ALL WORLD RELIGIONS
 
2010-10-18 09:32:00 PM  
Islam in its present form is intrinsically incompatible with modern civilized society. It is aggressive, spread by violence and intimidation, unbelievably intolerant, and is currently the PRIMARY source of conflict in the world today, causing fights all across Africa, Middle East and Asia.

Islam evolved from Arab cultures living a subsistance lifestyle in the desert, where all their weird practices came from. It made sense at the time to own and control women like commodities, since women were needed to keep the tribe populated, but couldn't reproduce at will because too many children would starve out the tribe. Dissent was NOT tolerated, because disputes would divert the tribe's attentions from doing what was needed to survive, hence the rigid mindset and resistance to change, the fierce demands for total loyalty to the tribe, the harsh punishments (cutting off hands, whipping, etc.) because they didn't have the resources for extensive law establishments and prisons, etc.

They *should* have moderated when they accessed the modern world of technology and resources, instead they have stubbornly held to their old ways.

Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. all changed as the world changed. Muslims did not.

Libs denounce criticism of Islam as bigotry, equating it to the unfair attacks on Catholics and Jews. But Christians, Jews, moderated over time and became tolerant and adapted to the modern world. The Muslims are showing NO signs of doing that. They don't assimulate, they invade. They show up in our western societies, which went through a lot of struggle to become tolerant, fair, free societies, and expect to continue their old ways of honor killings, killing apostates, etc., and threatening those who don't agree with their ways.

And you numbskulls think you're being uber-kewl by equating their struggle as a typical struggle to be accepted by others, like the Catholics and Jews. You're asking the rest of us to accept their barbaric ways and let them continue to spread them here. You have an irrational, emotional urge to champion the perceived underdog, regardless of the actual values the underdog is pushing. The fact that they're underdogs gives them a moral justification in your eyes.

You should be demanding that they change and accept our values of freedom and democracy, like all the other major religions have already done. But you're not.

We are a modern, technological society, hopefully pushing out toward the stars. Do you really think we need to helping to spread a weird cult that prays five times a day, compulsively facing Mecca, with lots of weird compulsions like which hand to use to eat with, and which hand to wash with (we got lots of water now, kids, we're not in the desert anymore) treats women like livestock, hates and punishes dissent and wants to do away with democracy and impose a theocracy? Do you really want the whole world to be run like Iran? Or Saudi?

Islam and rationality are fundementally incompatible. I want the world to go forward, not backward. I want freedom. I want people to live their lives as they see fit, not controlled by crazy old Imans.

Look at the parts of the world controlled by Islam. Without exception, they are hellholes. And you're completely cool with allowing these maniacs to spread their ridiculous practices here?

What's next? Bring back footbinding?
 
2010-10-18 09:43:25 PM  
mark12A: ...snip...

So you think all 1.5 billion muslims in the world are maniacs, barbaric, a weird cult, and live in in hellholes. Good one. What else? Do they want to eat our children and rape your mother? This is why you will be called (and rightly so) a bigot.

Do you know how I can tell you've never had a serious conversation with a muslim person, or ever really considered that they might be actual people worthy of the same respect you would give anyone else?

I work with several devout Iranian muslims, and they are some of the nicest, most generous people I've ever met. Same story with the Turkish muslims I worked with in Germany. But, I guess they're barbaric maniacs, and I should smite them when I next see them. Thanks for letting me know.

/farking human trash like you makes me sick
 
2010-10-18 09:45:26 PM  
IF YOUR RELIGION TELLS YOU

HUMAN BEINGS ARE NOT EQUAL

AND YOU BELIEVE IT...



STAY OUT OF THE USA.

CANADA, EVEN.


/YES YES, CAPS LOCK
//I GET IT
 
2010-10-18 09:53:50 PM  
NoboruWatanabe: Do you know how I can tell you've never had a serious conversation with a muslim person Or, they just fooled you with their taqiyya!!!!
 
2010-10-18 09:55:07 PM  
Gee..how many times have I heard Christians say, "Christianity isn't a religion. It's a personal relationship."

And you can bet there are plenty who said that in this crowd of yahoos.
 
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