keylock71,

My dad says all priests that are Irish are drunk,
the ones that are not Irish are pedephiles.

First off, I can not imagine what sort of utopia half you farkers must live in when the biggest outrage you can scare up in your day is what some Private College decides to use as a dress code. What sort of land must you live in that you have to search the net to find and fight hypocrisy, most of us can find it if we listen to ourselves for more then 20min at a time. They have every right to decide their own dress code, if you have the time to get all huffy about it I suggest you find a farkin hobby.

This is great, all these people saying Christians should keep their beliefs to themselves all the while forcing athiesm on everyone else. I just find it funny fanatics say all nonbelievers are going to hell athiests say all religious people are closed minded, weak minded brainwashed asshats

CatchrNdRy et al.:

Its always fine that people want to do as they choose as a private university; what isn't ok is when Jerry Falwell (Chancellor and founder of "Liberty" University) blames gays, pro-choice activists and others for the September 11 attacks:

"The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'"

Vman
This is great, all these people saying Christians should keep their beliefs to themselves all the while forcing athiesm on everyone else.

I don't see anyone forcing athiesm on anyone else. Are you the type of Christian that equates anything other than an endorsement of Christianity to be atheism or something?

Well the preventing student lead prayer at schools is one example. I am the type of christian that sleeps in on sundays and has not been to mass in 4 years except on Christmas to hear my mom sing in the choir, in short I do not believe in the church, I do however believe in respect and while I think there needs to be a lagre seperation between church and state to ensure the freedom of this nations people. I do not think a cross on a cubicle is a "hostile work environment". I think the anti religion wave has gone too far and is infringeing on the rights of those that do belive.

Liberty U seems like some sort of brainwashing camp to me.

Free your damn minds, before the matrix gets you damnit!

SueDisco

Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir prefix and less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.

I see no problem with having modesty guidelines at a private university, especially a religious one. People actually choose to go to these places, and they know the rules before they get there. Although I see no difference between a knee-length skirt and knee-length shorts, I think their code is pretty modest. If a girl looks good in church clothes, she'll look good in anything. Godless heathens love to criticize, but they know that last one is true.

Or short shorts... i love those as much as hot pants.

2003-06-24 03:16:53 PM Cthulhula666
Why is it that someone always has to whine that people are attacking Christians? Any sort of debate that hold Christianity up to exposure is met with wounded duck defense. It makes no sense.

Tell me about it.
What I don't understand is why an all-powerful diety can't defend himself. Why do these gods have to rely on proxies to make himself look good? Certainly Jesus can type his own opinions on these threads, just as he could have been to the one touching the torch to the kindling at the feet of heretics and witches.

So basically all women must dress like old, frumpy women.

I grew up around these narrow-minded fundamentalist "standards" and "convictions" -- no rock 'n roll, no pants for girls, the Bible is verbally inspired, don't question Christian traditions, the man is the head of the house, et cetera.<br>
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Firstly: I recognize people's right to believe and practice religion as they choose. Religion has brought many good things to pass, as well as many ill. People should not be threatened, discriminated against or harmed in any way based on their religious belief.<br>
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Secondly: In exercise of my own freedom of speech, I utterly despise and reject any notion that these legalistic rules make anyone better than their fellow[wo]man. When foisted upon a young person from their earliest years, fundamentalist Christianity will instill inhibitions, sanctimoniousness and anti-intellectualism. A young person raised this way will either go along with it completely, or will feel trapped and unable to escape the guilt that is continuously heaped upon them. Whether they rebel or conform, their life will be profoundly affected by the irrelevant set of rules emphasized by their authority figure(s).<br>
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Christians are firmly convinced that their truth is the one truth. (The same is true for most all religions, of course). Evangelical Christians also want to score a soul, which inhibits logical debate. Fundamentalist Christians are quite intolerant when the basic tenets of their creed are called into question. The rule of thumb is: If Christianity teaches it, or the Bible says so (in the Christian interpretation) -- then it is not up for debate. A discussion of "X" will take place from the standpoint that "X" is certainly true, because Christian faith (or a Bible verse) makes it so.<br>
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Given this, what response do Christians expect from a freethinking person, an agnostic or atheist, or a questioning intellectual? Self-referential Scripture quotes and claims of "the truth" do not help the Christian cause -- they only emphasize the lack of open-mindedness that is prevalent.<br>
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This is why I embrace the idea that "We cannot know." Anyone who claims to know the universe's truth is self-delusional.

It's funny cause I go to Berkeley where you don't even need to wear clothes to class.

I believe in freedom of skin.

look, if god really wants to save my soul, he can come down and farking tell me himself.

if not, well, i've got a certain level of hell to take over soon.

screw christians, screw rabid atheists, and... well, screw all of you. i'm going to go smoke, drink, and screw. in that order.

For spring break the student participate in Christian nudism... SFW LINK to Fig Leaf Forum.

a_cure_for_gravity
"Tell me about it.
What I don't understand is why an all-powerful diety can't defend himself. Why do these gods have to rely on proxies to make himself look good? Certainly Jesus can type his own opinions on these threads, just as he could have been to the one touching the torch to the kindling at the feet of heretics and witches."

The time has not yet come for that according to scripture. It will be dealt with later.

And for everyone else, I went to Liberty. Liberty is a cool campus, with cool people. Well, maybe a few weirdos. No brainwashing. People still think. We had some great debates about politics and theology there.

dillinghamdude-- Of course, "Participation in an unauthorized petition or demonstration" is a pretty serious crime worthy of 12 Reprimands + $70 Fine. Seems like it's just fine to think, as long as you don't actually hold an unathorized opinion.

stil chafing, eh son of thunder?

you can practice turning the other cheek, and take solace that your ever-loving god is going to kill me dead in a coupleof years

Well if a legitimate arguement surfaced I am sure he would debate it but if all you are capable of is spouting rhetoric with little to no basis in fact then you sir can suck on my baptised balls. Hint there is no logical arguement for why a private school can not have it's own dress code.

Oh and Treehugger
"they only emphasize the lack of open-mindedness that is prevalent"

Can I count the rampant generalizations in your thread?? lets see I got 12 Closed minded ill informed generalizations
Hypocracy and Irony for dinner tonight eh??

Instead of Liberty University they should have named it Incredibly Uptight University. :-p

Wasn't Falwell helped by the ACLU a few years ago? Something about land his church was buying, I think. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Son of Thunder, that was pretty good


/athiest

"there were a bunch of them who were just uber-whores, and out-freaked even the Hampden-Sydney frat boys."

Key word being boys.

Men go to Randolph-Macon.

Shawn Pickrell, R-MC '97

We clearly have a variety of atheism among some on Fark which is as fundamentalist and as intolerant as the spew that issues from the mouth of Falwell.

The taunting of Christians on this board comes from the fact that most farkers were forced to hear Christian beliefs as it is only recently that our society became secular. In fact, if you watch TV, or listen to the President speak, those beliefs are still forced upon us. It isn't right for the farkers to be intollerant of christians, but their actions are a response to societary pressures to make them conform to christianity, and I personally don't blame them.

To all of you getting pissed that farkers are bashing christians, might we run back time a bit and see what you did to athiests in the "Under God" debate. You are intollerant of them changing this country into a Secular one (your "tradition" arguement doesn't hold because we're actually bringing it back to it's near original form), but.... lets not debate that.

Back to Liberty U. My only problem with Liberty U is that they did force their beliefs on others when they went to Lynchburg and prayed. To those who said that wasn't forcing, How would you like me to come and draw some ritualistic ephigies in front of your dorm trying to spare you the wrath of satan? How can their actions be acceptable and mine not?

Disclaimer: I am not a satanist in that Christian skewed way, or in the other, established, satanist religion. I am athiest, but don't worry, I am not a "zealot". Jesus did live, I just don't believe he was the son of god. =)

Jesus was also a communist in the non-totalitarian sense.

The sad thing is that people like Falwell really are the "real" christians while those who claim to be non-extreamist are the ones who are not following the "real" teachings of Jesus Christ.

Here's the truth about Jesus with infomation straight from the Bible. Our so-called "savior" is every bit as hypocritical and hate-filled as Falwell makes him out to be. Falwell is a "true" christian while those who are non-extreamists are hopelessly delusional and want desperately to see purity and goodness in Jesus where actually there is none.

stpickrell - We clearly have a variety of atheism among some on Fark which is as fundamentalist and as intolerant as the spew that issues from the mouth of Falwell.

Because when an atheist speaks, he speaks for all of us, right? I'll put money down 99% of those who you responded to weren't athiest at all. Ethier agnostic or some other religion. As much as I'd personally like it, we don't have a majority anywhere.

or you might go back in time and see what athiests did to non athiests

i mean, if you want to apply any idiotic persecution that christians commited against non-christians (which is fine with me as long as you are consistant) go ahead and look at what people who were athiest did to people who refused to accept athiesm

120 million people in china were killed for refusing to abandon religion in china

that makes athiesm more deadly in the last 100 years than all other religions in the last 1000

oh course, those china athiest by no means represent the nice guy athiests you likely run into

of course, the intolerant meany christians by no means represent all christians

but in our land, we should be glad that anyone can say and argue anything they want

true, there is a lot of resentment towards intolerant christians, but that doesnt mean that all christians are like that, so far as i know

well, that depends on your definition of athiest

i take it to mean someone who has faith in the absence of God. others will take it to mean uncertainty, which i would take to be agnosticism

just accept that a lot of folks just arent clear on the definitions, and may challenge your definition (though i agree with it)

Arcanum - Exactly, the best part about being athiest is I don't have to be alike other athiests. See, we don't have a unified front. If I wanted to use my unified front to attack christianity, I would use Secular Humanism....

Unlike estabilished religions, I don't have to take fault for the sins of predecessors... So, when a unified established religion forces ideology on me, my societarial urge is to reject and fight back...

However, Christians have a unified and organized front(Christian Coalition for example). They are responible for those who are in their organization. I don't use the Catholic Crusades or Inquisition to attack protestants... they don't deserve it for they also rejected the ritualism of the Catholic faith. Nor do I attack non-fundamentalists with Fawells beliefs, I do however, attack them on what their organization does.

As for the definintions, athiest is defined as no belief in a higher power. It is therefor set, and as a language is to communicate thoughts and ideas, his thought was communicated as such. It is not my fault that he does not know the correct terms for what he is saying. You might agree with me, but I am only agreeing with was was set by most dictionaries and other language authorities in the Enlgish Language. I can, however, understand the confusion as any non-established religion is often referred to as athiesm, but I also feel that my response was justified and even helped clear up the confusion.

A bit tired, so i'm sorry if none of that made sense.

Oh, and for the record. I accept your point and I rarely have any problems with every day people and their religions. Only time the whole religions thing comes up is generally with fundamentalism or those who like to force belief upon you.

Of course, that excludes online debates, like this one here. =P

Son of Thunder

The examples given in the Anti-Tract were taken directly from the Bible itself. Read the scriptures listed in the Anti-Track, you'll see that those are valid examples.

Right-wing fundamentalist Wackoids again divert attention from the fact that Jesus Christ was a revolutionary who cared more about feeding the poor than whether or not people were piering their noses. These fundamentalists blaspheme His name by trivializing His true message.

no you make sense enough for me

remember that not all christians have any responsibility or even respect for the christian coalition, but that shouldnt preclude others from arguing against the actions of that coalition, it merely becomes unjustified when they start attributing their actions to all christians

and yeah, you know the correct definition of athiesm, but some people try to argue agsint it anywway

and to the other guy
jesus did preach to help the poor, but he didnt preach for one elitist moral class to mandate that generosity, he wanted us to do it out of independent acts of compassion

if the government takes my money and gives it away, i havent made any choice or action of love (of course i guess voting could be such an action)

still, i think it is a test and not a mechanism for improving the human condition, if it were, then anyone with faith in God's omnipotence coule sit back and let God improve the human condition

The things Falwell has been quoted as saying sound pretty intolerant. That is my obvious observation for this thread. Rings a little like the "if you're not with us, you're against us" prattle. How dare any of us be different. We need dress codes because men are animals who can't control themselves and all women are whores but without the whores, the men can't screw them and therefore the Christian species dies, but if the men go out and screw the women, they're only doing what is expected of them? Is it getting deep in here or what? And when I say "here", I'm talking about the world in general. Everyone ought to lighten up and live and let live. Treat others the way you'd like to be treated (and all the masochists rejoiced).

/What Would Bill Hicks Say?

LZombie
However, Christians have a unified and organized front(Christian Coalition for example). They are responible for those who are in their organization. I don't use the Catholic Crusades or Inquisition to attack protestants... they don't deserve it for they also rejected the ritualism of the Catholic faith. Nor do I attack non-fundamentalists with Fawells beliefs, I do however, attack them on what their organization does.

I'll respectfully disagree with you about the Christian Coalition representing an organized and unified front of Christianity. The people within this organization who are the most outspoken infuriate quite a few Christians for their rabid attacks against anyone who doesn't toe their line. I would characterize these individuals as people with some measure of power using religion as a common rallying point to try and wield more power. They don't seem to be in politics to further their faith. Rather, they seem to be furthering their politics by using faith. Big diff.

I think there are too many New Testament Christians. I was brought up Christian, and I've read the Bible at least once all the way through, and the nasty bits more than once. The Old Testament is full of hate, hypocrisy, sexism, and all those fun things.

I like to think I know enough about the religion to make an informed decision, so I get really pissed off when people try to convert me. I also hate hearing statements about how homosexuality is evil and all other religions are also evil, and how if you don't convert you will go to hell. It's a bit sad that people are threatened with the firey pits of hell for almost everything.