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CapnWacky		2003-06-24 12:55:26 PM

Ytram:

Okay, here's what I could come up with in 30 seconds

1) The current attack on abortion rights.
2) The attack on teaching of evolution in schools.
3) Movements towards censorship of sexual content in music and other areas of the entertainment industry.
4) Bans against gay marriage.

Where are the choices here?

chipaku		2003-06-24 12:55:44 PM

These fundies would go nuts if they saw how the women dress at some of the churches here in Houston.

There is a hugh jass church here called Lakewood church where the ladies are beeee-utiful.

As silly as Christianity is, I like to go to that church just to hit on sexually oppressed christian young ladies. some of the sweetest ass I've ever had came from that church.

HappyDaddy		2003-06-24 12:56:20 PM

t y

interficio		2003-06-24 12:56:35 PM

I find it funny that the people defending the dress code here find it so horrible that the muslims make the women dress in burkhas. I guess I wonder when people will realize that the female human body is a thing of unmatched beauty, not a weapon of satan.

Rosalea		2003-06-24 12:57:05 PM

starts a slow clap for WorldCitizen

Kevbo		2003-06-24 12:57:17 PM

Not sure what you're saying there Ytram... nothing I said implied that I thought Christians were the only prosthelytizing faith out there... certainly they aren't. I simply believe a bit of humility on the part of most faiths would make for a happier, more tolerant world... Christians take their knocks on Fark since in western society they are in the majority (not true for the globe of course). The hypocrisy, self-righteousness and intolerance of some Christians shines a bit brighter than that of other groups due to that majority status and the endless sermons and prayers aimed at converting those of minority or different faiths.

Their specification of clothing standards at Liberty is so exacting and seemingly divergent from and altogether separate from more commonly accepted interpretations of the bible that one is forced to call into question even more of their tenets. Talk to someone from Liberty U or someone classifiable as a fundamental Christian... the majority of them would naturally prefer to see all others meet their moral standards (including dress code) and practice their faith... because all others are in error.

The Christians who are derided on Fark are primarily the intolerant, prejudiced and hypocritical ones... but naturally there are statements made that are too general or are interpreted as such. Inarticulate speech on Fark is often miscontrued as inexact thought or pure ignorance when something has been said in a certain manner purely for the sake of brevity (which my post lacks).

Christianity has quite a bloody and violent history, duh, (as do other religions) but perhaps their sins of the past are the more well documented because they have taken place within and with the blessing of "modern society." Thus the evil that some Christians do casts a bigger glare...

And on Fark we see numerous examples... without having to dig to look for them for posting... of things like Liberty U.'s clothing standards that remind us of the tyranny of intolerant majorities and our shots taken at their expense are "our" way of fighting back.... of holding the line against repression and dampers on freedom for those not of their faith... It is not necessarily a statement that Christians shouldn't be able to practice their faith in a unique manner.

Just as not all Christians can be lumped together... not all Farkers can be lumped together as intolerant.

hdhale		2003-06-24 12:57:37 PM

NathanAllen writes:

"Get this, they think they are the only people on the path to true enlightenment and everyone else has to mill about for a few other lives to even reach where they are!"

No that would be Western religions that believe there is only one path to reach a goal.

In ancient Rome people pretty much freely joined cults dedicated to a whole variety of gods, some Roman, some Greek imports, some imported from the Near East. Then of course everyone also joined the cult of the Emperor, or were persecuted...Christians naturally did not, thus the reason why many of them died for their faith.

Christianity, with its roots in Judaism follows that whole jealous God thing. Religious monogomy as it were. Don't even think about looking at other gods. No divine lap dances, no Playgod. Naturally of course just saying "I love God" isn't enough, no sir...there is also a proper way to show it and organize for how to show it. Early Christian leaders were very clear on that point. Actually they were mostly concerned about splintering what was considered by Rome to be an annoying minor faction of a minor eastern religion at the time, but later readings of their words aren't interested so much in context.

Speaking of later readings, naturally some other stuff from other faiths, and other ways of thinking creeped into Christianity over the centuries, and naturally not everyone bought off on the changes. However, the whole jealous God thing was always there. Thus Christians fought Christians, sabotagued efforts by other Christians to acquire territory and convert people in non-Christian parts of the world, and engaged in all forms of intrigue amongst themselves in part because they didn't want to have their way of being nice to God be thought of as improper (aka Heresy) should it fall too much into the minority.

These days the civilizations that Christianity tends to predominate in have advanced to the point that they no longer take heretics out to burn them. Ok, make that usually...if they can hang an illegal weapons charge on them and some unsubstaniated drug/child abuse allegations, then they burn them...but I digress. In this environment, with no set standards for proper worship, there arise people who feel they have the ultimate answer to everything, and if you don't follow "the narrow goat path to God" that they outline you burn in Hell when you die, no exceptions. That there might be multiple narrow goat paths to God does not occur to them. Indeed, to follow their goat path you must hand over 10% of your income (trail guides are expensive--and they require premium transportation and facilities) every year and spend a minimum of an hour of your time every Sunday getting the instructions for following the goat path drummed into your head. It also is critical that you have some sort of water ceremony performed at some point (Christians don't agree universally when) and publically proclaim your faith and admit you've been a bad person up til now. Well, some Christians allow you to do that in a booth.

So there it is. Hopefully if you are Christian your trail guide is leading you in the wrong direction. Thing is, you won't know for sure until you find your pants smoking if it was indeed the "right" goat path...

...or you can just read the books for yourself, mediate, be
ethical, save your 10% and share your views on God with others.

--h

palexc		2003-06-24 12:57:54 PM

I bet those kids screw like rabbits every chance they get.

Tallgordon		2003-06-24 12:57:55 PM

I totally thought that manequin in the form-fitting t-shirt was hot.

MyrnaMinkoff		2003-06-24 12:58:02 PM

HolyMackeral

AHHH! ORU. Those creepy praying hands. Those things always freaked me out.

Falwell may see gays in children's cartoons and everywhere else, but to my knowledge, he never claimed to be visited by a 70-ft Jesus.

Ninja_Pancakes		2003-06-24 12:58:56 PM

ha.

funniest site today!

omigodiAMjesus		2003-06-24 01:00:05 PM

The bodys biological responses are one reason pornographys effects are so powerful. Research reveals biochemical and neurological responses in individuals who are emotionally aroused, regardless of the stimuli. The adrenal hormone epinephrine is released, locking memories into the brain, and explaining why men can remember pornographic images seen years
before. Chemicals called opioids, released by nerve endings in response to pleasure, then reinforce the bodys desire to repeat the process.

In other words, chemical responses to sexual arousal and gratification cause the body to desire to repeat a rewarding behaviorwhich may be the use of pornography. Thus the biological drive to return to rewarding behavior can lead to an actual dependence or addiction.

In addition, the release of epinephrine and opioids in the body are associated with both the triggering sexual image and the message it conveys. Thus the biological response to pornography rewards and hence reinforces the messages presented - which, as discussed earlier, often include anti-social attitudes about women, relationships, and behavior. Simply stated, in terms of pure body chemistry, sex sells!

-----

thanks for the update.

i declare SHENANIGANS!

buster_hymen		2003-06-24 01:00:27 PM

MyrnaMinkoff -- True but he would obviously believe in a 70 foot (not sure on actual measurements) Goliath that was slain with a sling shot. Equally bizzare

Bukharin		2003-06-24 01:01:06 PM

"I bet those kids screw like rabbits every chance they get."

Missonary position only.

Flail		2003-06-24 01:01:19 PM

I'm going to suggest that we have one of these pages at our college. I'm also planning to take it to the next step and include a section on how much makeup you should apply to your mannequin.

busterenjake		2003-06-24 01:01:27 PM

Why are they so focused on "open" and "closed" slits?

CapnWacky		2003-06-24 01:01:34 PM

HappyDaddy: That's total crap. I could use the same argument to say that all religious people are in the KKK because they have similar dogmatic beliefs. I think fewer than 1% of athiests would classify themselves as nihilists.

Anyway... I'd take a world run by athiests anyday because you can at least tell they're thinking with their own mind.

InsaneOffspring		2003-06-24 01:02:23 PM

Liberty does seem like the wrong name for this school. I went to a liberal arts college though, and no one could make me go to Liberty U. Unless it was to be like the scene in Animal House where they pick up the dead chick's roommate.

MrWright		2003-06-24 01:02:44 PM

Now we're just attacking for the sake of attacking. There's nothing very bizarre about the story of David and Goliath.

Nabob		2003-06-24 01:02:58 PM

robobagpiper
I agree with you. Hypocrisy is why Christian failures are interesting to farkers. The point I was working towards, however, is that many statements made here at fark extend the hypocrisy to the entire faith and all who practice it. This is simply not the case and is a prejudiced view of Christianity. I don't consider it to be persecution, just the proliferation of a skewed viewpoint.

With regards to email, whenever you get to it. As I mentioned, I would like to know more about your opinions on the site I linked you.

Bukharin		2003-06-24 01:03:18 PM

Why are they so focused on "open" and "closed" slits?

A good christian woman always keeps her slit closed until marrage.

MyrnaMinkoff		2003-06-24 01:03:39 PM

buster, if I remember I thought goliath was only like 9.5 or 10 ft. tall. Still bizarre and quite impossible, but not quite 70 ft.

And, to adress an above comment implying that the country would go to hell if left to the "heathen people" (right...), you don't need to believe in god to do good, to help out your fellow man, or to take stands for what you believe is morally just.

buster_hymen		2003-06-24 01:03:50 PM

if you say so

MrWright		2003-06-24 01:04:21 PM

I'd take a world run by athiests anyday because you can at least tell they're thinking with their own mind.

That's a strange thing to say. Atheism (not agnosticism, mind you) is at least as irrational as any major religion.

Ytram		2003-06-24 01:04:29 PM

CapnWacky

Ytram:

Okay, here's what I could come up with in 30 seconds

1) The current attack on abortion rights.
Abortion is a moral ethical issue, and Pro-lifers are not entirely made up of Christians
2) The attack on teaching of evolution in schools.
What about the attack on teaching of creation in public schools? That is always left out, and we are intolerant when we think kids should at least have the option of hearing both sides.

3) Movements towards censorship of sexual content in music
and other areas of the entertainment industry.
Again, this is a moral issue, not a Christian one. Not all Christians are in favor of censorship, and not all in favor of censorship are Christian.

4) Bans against gay marriage.
As far as I know, gay marriages are already banned in most states.

Faethe		2003-06-24 01:04:45 PM

kneehigh leather boots with skullhead buckles

I am so jealous! It's so hot down here we don't get a lot of stuff like that in Orlando...did you growl or anything? Did you talk about your "cousin Dylan" in a loud and obnoxious voice? Go back and try it...bound to be more entertaining that the "House of 1000 Dead"...

buster_hymen		2003-06-24 01:05:00 PM

Myrnaminkoff -- "if you say so" was not directed toward you. Sorry

Bukharin		2003-06-24 01:05:56 PM

If Athesm is when you dont believe in god,
and Agnostisism is if you cant kake up your mind...

What is it if you dont care?

CapnWacky		2003-06-24 01:07:01 PM

What about the attack on teaching of creation in public schools? That is always left out, and we are intolerant when we think kids should at least have the option of hearing both sides.

There is nothing wrong with teaching creation in a religion class or cultural history class. However, to place it beside a scientific theory which at least goes through the scientific method (hypothesis, observations, data, etc) is a total joke.

If this is what you want, I also want my theory based on the Greek gods taught in science class, as well as L. Ron Hubbards discussion of Xenu in Physics.

ahector		2003-06-24 01:07:39 PM

Cyberluddite--

I saw the Ted Bundy thing too! What a crock! I don't know his story but I imagine the real reason he was so farked up was something like abuse or neglect as a child.

MrWright		2003-06-24 01:08:22 PM

Speaking of Greek gods, I always found it interesting that we were made to read the Odyssey in school, but the Bible was strictly verboten...

MyrnaMinkoff		2003-06-24 01:08:35 PM

There's nothing very bizarre about the story of David and Goliath.

Um....okay. Do you often encounter giants in your day-to-day life?

Damn_Conservative_Media		2003-06-24 01:08:42 PM

2003-06-24 01:00:05 PM omigodiAMjesus
...
In other words, chemical responses to sexual arousal and gratification cause the body to desire to repeat a rewarding behavior which may be the use of pornography. Thus the biological drive to return to rewarding behavior...

Gee, might this have something to do with some little theories of Darwin and Skinner? Hmmmm??? Just perhaps, maybe?

Bukharin		2003-06-24 01:08:51 PM

2003-06-24 01:07:01 PM CapnWacky

I agree. There is a time and a place for everything.
Creationism should be in Social Studies class.
Evolution should be in biology class.

ProducedBy		2003-06-24 01:09:03 PM

My guess, 50% of the people going to that school get sent by their bible thumping parents still trying to control what their kids do. The good news is I'm sure alot of future adult film stars are getting a good education there!

CapnWacky		2003-06-24 01:09:30 PM

Ytram: As far as I know, gay marriages are already banned in most states.

And it's kept that way thanks to a lot of Christian right lobbying. Or is this also a moral issue that is not supported by the religious right at all?

ctwp		2003-06-24 01:09:43 PM

Check this page out... http://www.liberty.edu/StudentAffairs/index.cfm?PID=1378

Highlights:
$35 fine for "attendance at a dance"
$35 fine for "visiting entranceway of opposite sex"
$70 fine for "posession of an R rated movie"
$100 fine for "association with those consuming alcohol"

Best one for last though:
$35 for visiting the dorm of the opposite sex, $70 for visiting their hallway, $100 for visiting their bedroom, $150 for spending the night with them...

Geez. That totals $355 payable to LibertyU just for a romp in the sack... These guys should check out the local market next time they review their pricelist!

Ytram		2003-06-24 01:10:05 PM

However, to place it beside a scientific theory which at least goes through the scientific method (hypothesis, observations, data, etc) is a total joke.

Please tell me how observations were made billions of years ago, to prove evolutionary theory that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Bukharin		2003-06-24 01:10:09 PM

...I'm sure alot of future adult film stars are getting a good education there!

Oral Roberts would be a great porno name.

MrWright		2003-06-24 01:10:56 PM

Do you often encounter giants in your day-to-day life?

Did David encounter giants in his day-to-day life? Are you honestly trying to claim that a man of Goliath's reported height has never lived?

I'm not defending the whole Bible, but this particular story doesn't strike me as particularly unlikely.

interficio		2003-06-24 01:12:00 PM

You know what is fun? Seeing all these white Jesus's. If you really wann piss off a fundy tell them that Jesus looked a helluva lot more like Saddam Hussien than Donnie Osmond.

Cthulhula666		2003-06-24 01:12:05 PM

I just went to see 1,000 corpses at the Cinemark this past Saturday. I was one of 8 people in the theater.

There was a group of an older woman and her early 20ish daughter, a late teens early 20's couple (Guy and Girl the guy kept covering his eyes then leaving and coming back), and a middle age woman and her three preteen kids (2 boys and a girl) they left shortly after the post dinner entertainment. What kind of person would see the title of that movie, and think oh this will be fun for the whole famn damily!?

Earlier this year while I was in Lynchburg I tried to go see LOTR: TT for the second time. About 20 minutes into the movie the usher brought in 6 old ladies, each with a note pad and pencil, since the theater was crowded they sat around me. They were taking notes on the movie; I could hear the pencils scratching on the notepads. Every once in a while one of them would suck their teeth in disgust. One of them asked me how to spell Smeegal and that was when it hit me: They were writing a review for a church bulletin on how evil it was. After that I couldn't enjoy the movie so I got up and left.

Kevbo		2003-06-24 01:12:55 PM

"Please tell me how observations were made billions of years ago"

Oh boy. Looks like somebody didn't attend any science classes in school.

MegaDethHead		2003-06-24 01:13:08 PM

This is farking hilarious

Robobagpiper		2003-06-24 01:13:12 PM

hdhale
Then of course everyone also joined the cult of the Emperor, or were persecuted...Christians naturally did not, thus the reason why many of them died for their faith.

Not quite. People were asked to worship the Emperor's genius, or guardian/tutelary spirit. It was considered little more than a public act of patriotism.

Jews were allowed to ask their own God's protection for the Emperor. Christians just outright refused, on the basis of keeping religion and the state seperate.

So they were persecuted, not for their religion, but for their perceived treason.

Just as mainstream Christians persecuted (and in one case, castrated) Jehova's Witnesses in the 40s because the latter refused to pledge allegiance to the flag.

jmf		2003-06-24 01:13:14 PM

a brief list of the banned activities at LIBERTY U.

Reprimands and Consequences

1 Reprimand
Curfew violation (1 additional reprimand for each half-hour late until 2:00 a.m.)

4 Reprimands + Written Warning
Allowing unauthorized overnight visitor in residence room
Absence from required meeting
Disturbance/non-participation during Convocation
Dress/hair code violation: male or female
Failure to respond to an official call slip within 48 hours
Horseplay (plus financial restitution)
Improper personal contact (anything beyond hand-holding)
Improper sign out
Missing Convocation
Music code violation
Outside residence hall after curfew
Residence hall disturbance/noise violation
Unauthorized borrowing (plus financial restitution)

6 Reprimands + $35 Fine
Attendance at a dance
Direct disobedience/disrespect
Disassembly or removal of residence hall furniture
Gambling
Improper social behavior
Possession and/or use of tobacco
Unauthorized room change
Visiting residence lobby or entryway of opposite sex on campus or allowing the same

12 Reprimands + $70 Fine
(less previously paid fines)

Attendance at, possession or viewing of, an "R," "NC-17" or "X"-rated movie
Deception
Entering the space above ceiling tiles
Malicious horseplay/behavior (plus financial restitution)
Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior
Out of residence hall overnight or substantial portion of the night without permission (after 2:00 a.m.)
Participation in an unauthorized petition or demonstration
Possession and/or viewing of pornography
Possession of a school key without authorization
Safety/security violation
Students of the opposite sex visiting alone at an off-campus residence
Visiting the residence hallway of the opposite sex

18 Reprimands + $100 Fine
(regardless of previously paid fines) + 18 hours Disciplinary Community Service + 50% Scholarship Reduction

Association with those consuming alcohol
Commission of a misdemeanor
Failure to properly identify oneself
Falsification of information on an official document
Lying to a dean during an official investigation
Racial harassment
Sexual harassment (i.e., unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors or other conduct or comments of a sexual nature)
Sexual misconduct and/or any state of undress
Threat to do bodily harm
Vandalism (plus financial restitution)
Visiting bedroom of the opposite sex on/off campus or allowing the same

30 Reprimands + $150 Fine
(regardless of previously paid fines) + 30 hours Disciplinary Community Service + possible Administrative Withdrawal and/or possible 100% Scholarship Reduction. NOTE: For each accumulation of six (6) or more reprimands after 30, an additional $150 fine will be assessed.

Abortion
Academic dishonesty
Assault/sexual assault (minimum two (2) semesters out)
Commission/conviction of any felony
Failure of three (3) Christian/Community Services without reconciliation
Illegal drugs-association/possession, use/distribution (minimum two semesters out)
Immorality
Involvement with witchcraft, seances or other satanic or demonic activity
Life-threatening behavior or language to others or oneself (immediate removal/exclusion from campus and a minimum of two semesters out)
Non-participation/disruption/non-compliance (possible removal/exclusion from campus)
Possession or consumption of alcoholic beverages
Refusal to submit to an Alco-Sensor test and/or drug test
Spending the night with a person of the opposite sex
Stealing or possession of stolen property (plus financial restitution; minimum two semesters out)
Two or more individuals of the opposite sex together in motel room
Unauthorized possession/use of weapons

barneyfifesbullet		2003-06-24 01:14:50 PM

With a second term of Bush, this will be the dress code at every school in America.

MrWright		2003-06-24 01:15:17 PM

If you really wann piss off a fundy tell them that Jesus looked a helluva lot more like Saddam Hussien than Donnie Osmond.

Maybe not as fat or evil-looking, but.... Wouldn't piss me off, though. If you want to piss off a left-winger, remind him that the average reknowned scientist looks a lot more like Donnie Osmond or Ariel Sharon than Jesse Jackson or Osama bin Laden. :)

ratbert		2003-06-24 01:15:35 PM

Forget it! It's too confusing to figure out. Just a burka and be done with it!

interficio		2003-06-24 01:15:44 PM

*Please tell me how observations were made billions of years ago, to prove evolutionary theory that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.*

Dumbest thing ever posted, ever.

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