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2010-10-18 07:04:38 AM  
Jackpot777: relcec: keytronic: Descartes: I remember how upset we were when Bush wouldn't admit his faults... but since Obama is my guy I'm gonna give him a pass because frankly, Obama is not Bush and it's not Fascism when we do it.

Apples and Oranges. Call me when Obama has even REMOTELY f**ked the dog up like Bush did over and over and failed to even acknowledge his mistake.



doubling down on Afghanistan (and getting twice as many of our servicemen killed there in that unwinnable war), bp oil spill and coverup, 9.6 unemployment. he wants to make the tax cuts permanent just so he can get reelected even though they will push our deficit from $7.5 trillion out to $20 trillion by 2020. he sold out the public option to the hospital lobby on before the negotiations on healthcare reform even began. he sold out chrysler bondholders to his union buddies. all in under two years.



Congressional Budget Office
Director's Blog

"Under the President's budget, debt held by the public would grow from $7.5 trillion (53 percent of GDP) at the end of 2009 to $20.3 trillion (90 percent of GDP) at the end of 2020. As a result, net interest would more than quadruple between 2010 and 2020 in nominal dollars (without an adjustment for inflation); it would expand from 1.4 percent of GDP in 2010 to 4.1 percent in 2020."

Link (new window)

Job losses? Bush lost more jobs since the recession started than Obama did. In fact, Obama has created more jobs in two years (almost) than Bush did in eight.



Facts. Pesky things.


yeah, like obama ever created a job.
 
2010-10-18 07:07:36 AM  
Jackpot777: relcec: keytronic: Descartes: I remember how upset we were when Bush wouldn't admit his faults... but since Obama is my guy I'm gonna give him a pass because frankly, Obama is not Bush and it's not Fascism when we do it.

Apples and Oranges. Call me when Obama has even REMOTELY f**ked the dog up like Bush did over and over and failed to even acknowledge his mistake.



doubling down on Afghanistan (and getting twice as many of our servicemen killed there in that unwinnable war), bp oil spill and coverup, 9.6 unemployment. he wants to make the tax cuts permanent just so he can get reelected even though they will push our deficit from $7.5 trillion out to $20 trillion by 2020. he sold out the public option to the hospital lobby on before the negotiations on healthcare reform even began. he sold out chrysler bondholders to his union buddies. all in under two years.



Congressional Budget Office
Director's Blog

"Under the President's budget, debt held by the public would grow from $7.5 trillion (53 percent of GDP) at the end of 2009 to $20.3 trillion (90 percent of GDP) at the end of 2020. As a result, net interest would more than quadruple between 2010 and 2020 in nominal dollars (without an adjustment for inflation); it would expand from 1.4 percent of GDP in 2010 to 4.1 percent in 2020."

Link (new window)

Job losses? Bush lost more jobs since the recession started than Obama did. In fact, Obama has created more jobs in two years (almost) than Bush did in eight.



Facts. Pesky things.


Facts are pesky things. Job creation sucks, and unemployment remains at record highs. Thankfully the guy you are defending is a whore for wall street. Comparing him to GWB is pretty farking pathetic. Oh he's better than GWB? farking fantastic!!! Idiot.
 
2010-10-18 07:08:58 AM  
relcec: oh, and he lied about Iraq. he keeping a combat force of 50k soldiers there indefinitely (nevermind the contractors)...

Source? From everything I've seen so far, we will be keeping 50,000 troops in Iraq until the end of 2011. However, those 50,000 troops are not combat brigades and will serve in an advisory and training role until they are brought home.
 
2010-10-18 07:11:49 AM  
keytronic: Apples and Oranges. Call me when Obama has even REMOTELY f**ked the dog up like Bush did over and over and failed to even acknowledge his mistake.

I see reading comprehension is not your strong point. I SAID that I was giving Obama a pass. Obama is not Bush, not even remotely.
 
2010-10-18 07:12:50 AM  
log_jammin: when we do what?

That was a joke at the end to tweak the Republicans... in hindsight it failed as a joke.
 
2010-10-18 07:13:54 AM  
Descartes: I remember how upset we were when Bush wouldn't admit his faults... but since Obama is my guy I'm gonna give him a pass because frankly, Obama is not Bush and it's not Fascism when we do it.

keytronic: Apples and Oranges. Call me when Obama has even REMOTELY f**ked the dog up like Bush did over and over and failed to even acknowledge his mistake.

Descartes: I see reading comprehension is not your strong point. I SAID that I was giving Obama a pass. Obama is not Bush, not even remotely.

To be perfectly fair, I read your initial post as sarcasm.
 
2010-10-18 07:14:25 AM  
JohnnyC: relcec: oh, and he lied about Iraq. he keeping a combat force of 50k soldiers there indefinitely (nevermind the contractors)...

Source? From everything I've seen so far, we will be keeping 50,000 troops in Iraq until the end of 2011. However, those 50,000 troops are not combat brigades and will serve in an advisory and training role until they are brought home.


Wow, how farking stupid are you? Seriously? Where do you get your news? You are the exact opposite of a fox news viewer. I must know where you get this shiat from.
 
2010-10-18 07:14:25 AM  
Descartes: That was a joke at the end to tweak the Republicans

ok. Thought maybe I was missing something.
 
2010-10-18 07:14:49 AM  
relcec: "Under the President's budget, debt held by the public would grow from $7.5 trillion (53 percent of GDP) at the end of 2009 to $20.3 trillion (90 percent of GDP) at the end of 2020. As a result, net interest would more than quadruple between 2010 and 2020 in nominal dollars (without an adjustment for inflation); it would expand from 1.4 percent of GDP in 2010 to 4.1 percent in 2020."

We've only controlled Congress for four years.
Unless you can prove the country is worse off now than it was four years ago, then you have no point.
 
2010-10-18 07:22:14 AM  
JohnnyC: relcec: oh, and he lied about Iraq. he keeping a combat force of 50k soldiers there indefinitely (nevermind the contractors)...

Source? From everything I've seen so far, we will be keeping 50,000 troops in Iraq until the end of 2011. However, those 50,000 troops are not combat brigades and will serve in an advisory and training role until they are brought home.




he was deceptive from the start. he said he would end the Iraq war and we took him at his word. he lied to us.

While Obama "electrified and motivated his liberal base by vowing to 'end the war' in Iraq," the Times states, as the transition advances he is now singing a very different tune. The president-elect is "making clearer than ever that tens of thousands of American troops will be left behind in Iraq, even if he can make good on his campaign promise to pull all combat forces out within 16 months."

As the article makes clear, "combat troops" is a term of art, or in the case of the Obama campaign, of deception. Only 15 out of 50 brigade-strength units now deployed in the occupied country are formally classified as "combat" troops. The rest are considered "support" units, though large sections of them are armed and participate in combat operations.

Moreover, as the article makes clear, the semantic difference between combat and non-combat units offers Obama an even easier way to formally fulfill his campaign pledge while continuing the war and occupation that millions of those who voted for him believed he would end.

"Pentagon planners say that it is possible that Mr. Obama's goal could be accomplished at least in part by relabeling some units, so that those currently counted as combat troops could be 're-missioned,' their efforts redefined as training and support for the Iraqis," Shanker reports.

"Mr. Obama was careful to say that the drawdowns he was promising included only combat troops," he writes. "But supporters who keyed on the language of ending the war might be forgiven if they thought that would mean bringing home all of the troops."

This is a rather delicate way of saying that Obama's antiwar rhetoric was from the outset deliberately misleading, designed to con the millions of Americans who went to the polls with the aim of voting to stop the war.

As for Obama's 16-month deadline for withdrawing "combat" forces from Iraq, the Times reports that Pentagon planners are currently drawing up projections for up to 70,000 US troops continuing the occupation not only well past May 2010, but also long after the supposed December 31, 2011 deadline for a full withdrawal established under the recently concluded status of forces agreement reached between Washington and its client regime in Baghdad. It is generally believed that this deadline will be annulled in subsequent negotiations.

The real policy of the incoming Obama administration was made quite clear last Monday at the Chicago press conference in which the president-elect formally announced that Hillary Clinton-whom he excoriated during the Democratic primary campaign for supporting the Iraq war-was his nominee for secretary of state and that Robert Gates-Bush's appointee as defense secretary, who has publicly stated that US troops will remain in Iraq for years to come-will be kept at his post.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/dec2008/pers-d06.shtml (new window)
 
2010-10-18 07:26:38 AM  
relcec: he was deceptive from the start. he said he would end the Iraq war and we took him at his word. he lied to us.

that's not what he said.

your article even says that "his campaign promise to pull all combat forces out within 16 months"
 
2010-10-18 07:27:17 AM  
In Small Gods Terry Pratchett had a democratic government where a head of government was elected every few years so that the populace would have someone to hate and blame for all their problems.
 
2010-10-18 07:28:17 AM  
Descartes: relcec: "Under the President's budget, debt held by the public would grow from $7.5 trillion (53 percent of GDP) at the end of 2009 to $20.3 trillion (90 percent of GDP) at the end of 2020. As a result, net interest would more than quadruple between 2010 and 2020 in nominal dollars (without an adjustment for inflation); it would expand from 1.4 percent of GDP in 2010 to 4.1 percent in 2020."

We've only controlled Congress for four years.
Unless you can prove the country is worse off now than it was four years ago, then you have no point.


Oh sweet Jesus, now you've gone and done it.
You just wait until the tsunami of insults begin.
 
2010-10-18 07:29:30 AM  
kevn357: Wow, how farking stupid are you? Seriously? Where do you get your news? You are the exact opposite of a fox news viewer. I must know where you get this shiat from.

Personal attacks because I asked for your source? I see... must not have one.

You want some articles on the subject to inform yourself? Okay:

NPR (new window)
CNN (new window)
BBC (new window)
Reuters (new window)
Time (new window)
USA Today (new window)
MSNBC (new window)
Fox News (new window)

There's more if you need it... So... where did you hear he lied about that? What evidence do you have to back up your accusation of President Obama lying about troop levels in Iraq?
 
2010-10-18 07:31:03 AM  
some other shiatty stuff Obama has done is create an indefinite detention system, and a multi-tiered justice system (new window) were terrorism suspects get treatment dependent on the evidence the government has available and the government always wins. finally obama has begum authorizing the assassination of u.s. citizens abroad.
 
2010-10-18 07:31:08 AM  
relcec: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/dec2008/pers-d06.shtml (new window)

That article is from 2008... perhaps you have something more current?
 
2010-10-18 07:32:38 AM  
relcec: JohnnyC: relcec: oh, and he lied about Iraq. he keeping a combat force of 50k soldiers there indefinitely (nevermind the contractors)...

Source? From everything I've seen so far, we will be keeping 50,000 troops in Iraq until the end of 2011. However, those 50,000 troops are not combat brigades and will serve in an advisory and training role until they are brought home.



he was deceptive from the start. he said he would end the Iraq war and we took him at his word. he lied to us.

While Obama "electrified and motivated his liberal base by vowing to 'end the war' in Iraq," the Times states, as the transition advances he is now singing a very different tune. The president-elect is "making clearer than ever that tens of thousands of American troops will be left behind in Iraq, even if he can make good on his campaign promise to pull all combat forces out within 16 months."

As the article makes clear, "combat troops" is a term of art, or in the case of the Obama campaign, of deception. Only 15 out of 50 brigade-strength units now deployed in the occupied country are formally classified as "combat" troops. The rest are considered "support" units, though large sections of them are armed and participate in combat operations.

Moreover, as the article makes clear, the semantic difference between combat and non-combat units offers Obama an even easier way to formally fulfill his campaign pledge while continuing the war and occupation that millions of those who voted for him believed he would end.

"Pentagon planners say that it is possible that Mr. Obama's goal could be accomplished at least in part by relabeling some units, so that those currently counted as combat troops could be 're-missioned,' their efforts redefined as training and support for the Iraqis," Shanker reports.

"Mr. Obama was careful to say that the drawdowns he was promising included only combat troops," he writes. "But supporters who keyed on the language of ending the war might be forgiven if they thought that would mean bringing home all of the troops."

This is a rather delicate way of saying that Obama's antiwar rhetoric was from the outset deliberately misleading, designed to con the millions of Americans who went to the polls with the aim of voting to stop the war.

As for Obama's 16-month deadline for withdrawing "combat" forces from Iraq, the Times reports that Pentagon planners are currently drawing up projections for up to 70,000 US troops continuing the occupation not only well past May 2010, but also long after the supposed December 31, 2011 deadline for a full withdrawal established under the recently concluded status of forces agreement reached between Washington and its client regime in Baghdad. It is generally believed that this deadline will be annulled in subsequent negotiations.

The real policy of the incoming Obama administration was made quite clear last Monday at the Chicago press conference in which the president-elect formally announced that Hillary Clinton-whom he excoriated during the Democratic primary campaign for supporting the Iraq war-was his nominee for secretary of state and that Robert Gates-Bush's appointee as defense secretary, who has publicly stated that US troops will remain in Iraq for years to come-will be kept at his post.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/dec2008/pers-d06.shtml (new window)


Source better. But good enough.

Hey Democrats. Do you remember 2006? Seriously, think about it. How many Democrats ran on ending the Iraq war and closing gitmo?

Why do you idiots support being lied to? You think the stupid that Republicans bring justifies it? The Republicans have Teabaggers now, the liberals have..... Well, Democrats.
 
2010-10-18 07:32:59 AM  
log_jammin: relcec: he was deceptive from the start. he said he would end the Iraq war and we took him at his word. he lied to us.

that's not what he said.

your article even says that "his campaign promise to pull all combat forces out within 16 months"


he said he was going to end the f*cking Iraq war. what do you think that f*cking means? it doesn't mean to keep u.s. troops there forever you dumbass. he lied. quit apologizing. he got around it bey reclassifying these 50k as non combat troops. it's BS.
 
2010-10-18 07:35:08 AM  
WTF was the difference between him and McCain then if you are gonna let him get away with this lie? at least McCain admitted we might base troops there for a couple decades or a century. chirst. how can you let this asshole get away with this BS?
 
2010-10-18 07:35:57 AM  
relcec: he said he was going to end the f*cking Iraq war. what do you think that f*cking means? it doesn't mean to keep u.s. troops there forever you dumbass. he lied. quit apologizing. he got around it bey reclassifying these 50k as non combat troops. it's BS.

So WWII isn't over yet? You are aware we have troops in Germany and Japan still, right?
 
2010-10-18 07:36:44 AM  
relcec: he said he was going to end the f*cking Iraq war.

no he did not. That may be what you and a lot of farks left wing THOUGHT he said, but he never ever made that promise.

relcec: quit apologizing.

I'm not apologizing. I don't need to. I can read.
 
2010-10-18 07:37:38 AM  
relcec: lie

you're lack of taking the time to read what he said doesn't make it a lie.
 
2010-10-18 07:41:52 AM  
relcec: WTF was the difference between him and McCain then if you are gonna let him get away with this lie? at least McCain admitted we might base troops there for a couple decades or a century. chirst. how can you let this asshole get away with this BS?

I'm getting the impression that you have fairly serious issues that extend far beyond what we are talking about here. I think you're losing it... you might want to find some help.

Here is a list of psychologists in your area. I can't attest to the quality of any of them, but you should seek help. Sooner would be better than later, I suspect.
 
2010-10-18 07:42:03 AM  
JohnnyC: kevn357: Wow, how farking stupid are you? Seriously? Where do you get your news? You are the exact opposite of a fox news viewer. I must know where you get this shiat from.

Personal attacks because I asked for your source? I see... must not have one.


You want some articles on the subject to inform yourself? Okay:

NPR (new window)
CNN (new window)
BBC (new window)
Reuters (new window)
Time (new window)
USA Today (new window)
MSNBC (new window)
Fox News (new window)

There's more if you need it... So... where did you hear he lied about that? What evidence do you have to back up your accusation of President Obama lying about troop levels in Iraq?


Try to stay on topic for your own sanity. No one said troop levels weren't lowered. The argument was about combat vs non-combat troops, lol. Are you kidding me?

I'd love to have an adult conversation with you but you linked 6 articles quoting the administration lowering troop levels.... Do yourself a favor and link some articles from the same sources that show these troops to be combat troops. It's pretty simple.
 
2010-10-18 07:42:25 AM  
log_jammin: relcec: lie

you're lack of taking the time to read what he said doesn't make it a lie.


did you give McCain shiat for saying we might have troops there for decades?
 
2010-10-18 07:43:30 AM  
So I'm looking for this apparently epic failure of a presidency but all I'm finding is vague competence and (completely shot down) attempts at bipartisanship. Oh, and the loudest narration in history saying how bad Obama is at being president.

Somebody wanna help me out here? There seems to be this CANYON between the narrative about Obama and the actual facts.
 
2010-10-18 07:45:57 AM  
JohnnyC: relcec: he said he was going to end the f*cking Iraq war. what do you think that f*cking means? it doesn't mean to keep u.s. troops there forever you dumbass. he lied. quit apologizing. he got around it bey reclassifying these 50k as non combat troops. it's BS.

So WWII isn't over yet? You are aware we have troops in Germany and Japan still, right?


Wow, how the fark is that relevant. We have 50k troops in Iraq guy. You sound like a Bush lover defending complete stupid.
 
2010-10-18 07:45:58 AM  
It seems to me that Obama has done a better job than most of following through on his campaign promises, so yeah, if people are turning against him it shows that voters are stupid. I'm not making a value judgement here but if a candidate says vote for me and we will do health care reform, and you vote for them, then you shouldn't be surprised when they do health care reform.
 
2010-10-18 07:46:03 AM  
relcec: did you give McCain shiat for saying we might have troops there for decades?

irrelevant.

you made a claim that he lied. he didn't. you're flat out wrong. on this and the other issues I addressed.

sorry your ass stings so hard over it.
 
2010-10-18 07:48:49 AM  
HeinekenStove: It seems to me that Obama has done a better job than most of following through on his campaign promises, so yeah, if people are turning against him it shows that voters are stupid. I'm not making a value judgement here but if a candidate says vote for me and we will do health care reform, and you vote for them, then you shouldn't be surprised when they do health care reform.

It sounds like people supporting Obama because he's a democrat while he continues the same shiat liberals and Democrats voted out republicans in 2006.
 
2010-10-18 07:49:05 AM  
log_jammin: relcec: did you give McCain shiat for saying we might have troops there for decades?

irrelevant.

you made a claim that he lied. he didn't. you're flat out wrong. on this and the other issues I addressed.

sorry your ass stings so hard over it.


he said he would end the Iraq war. to most people think that means getting the f*ck out, not staying there indefinitely with 50k troops. he was purposefully deceptive. you're an apologist and an idiot who can't understand how the the tax cuts are gonna add $3 trillion to the debt over the next 10 years. later dumbass.
 
2010-10-18 07:51:43 AM  
relcec: he said he would end the Iraq war.

keep repeating it and it will come true.

relcec: later dumbass.

so long sweet cheeks.
 
2010-10-18 07:53:52 AM  
SouthernManDunWrong: who to blame??? hmmm.....democrats assume control of congress in Jan 2007. Official start of the recession is Dec 2007.

any questions?


Yes, does being stupid hurt or are you completely unaware of how mind numbingly ill informed you are?
 
2010-10-18 07:55:09 AM  
relcec: later dumbass.

Ah the insults...

Who could have ever predicted that you would start down that path?
 
2010-10-18 07:55:43 AM  
log_jammin: relcec: he said he would end the Iraq war.

keep repeating it and it will come true.

relcec: later dumbass.

so long sweet cheeks.


now he didn't say he would end the iraq war? your the biggest farking liar and miscreant douchebag in here. your going on my personal mental ignore list. congrats. corvus wherever you are, you're off probation.
 
2010-10-18 07:55:49 AM  
relcec: log_jammin: relcec: did you give McCain shiat for saying we might have troops there for decades?

irrelevant.

you made a claim that he lied. he didn't. you're flat out wrong. on this and the other issues I addressed.

sorry your ass stings so hard over it.

he said he would end the Iraq war. to most people think that means getting the f*ck out, not staying there indefinitely with 50k troops. he was purposefully deceptive. you're an apologist and an idiot who can't understand how the the tax cuts are gonna add $3 trillion to the debt over the next 10 years. later dumbass.


Facts don't mean shiat to these people. They have no idea why Republican derp is going to take over Congress. They've ignored why they actually voted for Obama. Promises broken is old news.
 
2010-10-18 07:57:29 AM  
relcec: keytronic: Descartes: I remember how upset we were when Bush wouldn't admit his faults... but since Obama is my guy I'm gonna give him a pass because frankly, Obama is not Bush and it's not Fascism when we do it.

Apples and Oranges. Call me when Obama has even REMOTELY f**ked the dog up like Bush did over and over and failed to even acknowledge his mistake.



doubling down on Afghanistan (and getting twice as many of our servicemen killed there in that unwinnable war), bp oil spill and coverup, 9.6 unemployment. he wants to make the tax cuts permanent just so he can get reelected even though they will push our deficit from $7.5 trillion out to $20 trillion by 2020. he sold out the public option to the hospital lobby on before the negotiations on healthcare reform even began. he sold out chrysler bondholders to his union buddies. all in under two years.



Congressional Budget Office
Director's Blog

"Under the President's budget, debt held by the public would grow from $7.5 trillion (53 percent of GDP) at the end of 2009 to $20.3 trillion (90 percent of GDP) at the end of 2020. As a result, net interest would more than quadruple between 2010 and 2020 in nominal dollars (without an adjustment for inflation); it would expand from 1.4 percent of GDP in 2010 to 4.1 percent in 2020."

Link (new window)


You're racist!
 
2010-10-18 07:59:35 AM  
LOL, you haven't ignored log spammin? I over estimated you. He's the biggest liar on fark. Pretty rough considering Tats, and all the teatards.
 
2010-10-18 08:00:16 AM  
kevn357: Promises broken is old news.

But idiots with no facts are new news?

And no, I didn't vote for the guy - so please save yourself the embarrassment of going there.
 
2010-10-18 08:00:54 AM  
What is funny is that we knew of the failures before Obama apparently did. We predicted the stimulus would not provide new, substainable jobs and that it would only serve to line to wallets of his liberal friends and their kooky little pet projects that could otherwise never be funded in a democratic fashion. We were promised unemployment wouldn't reach 7 percent if it passed.

A year later when unemployment is flirting with 10 percent Obama says "Ooops. I guess there are no shovel ready project. My bad. Ha ha ha"

Obama claimed the healthcare bill wasn't a tax, wouldn't increases premiums and wouldn't force private companies to abandon coverage. He uses the fact that it is a tax when defending it in court (and all while claiming it isn't in public), health care costs are rising and people are getting dropped. How many Democrats are running this fall on the basis of voting for Obamacare?
 
2010-10-18 08:04:02 AM  
kevn357: Facts don't mean shiat to these people. They have no idea why Republican derp is going to take over Congress. They've ignored why they actually voted for Obama. Promises broken is old news.

Tracking Obama's campaign promises
 
2010-10-18 08:04:27 AM  
MBrady: What jobs has be created?

You want a list er...?

9 straight months of private sector job growth. That's a fact. That the economy isn't growing as fast as we all would like isn't news, nor Obama's fault. Americans are impatient. Water wet, sun hot.
 
2010-10-18 08:07:56 AM  
Random Reality Check: kevn357: Promises broken is old news.

But idiots with no facts are new news?

And no, I didn't vote for the guy - so please save yourself the embarrassment of going there.


Going where? I could care less who you voted for. He broke his promises that I cared about and I did vote for him. No facts? Plz stfu. I don't a farking politifact link to show me where he broke his promises, i pay attention and don;t forgive because of political party. Such a weird concept to partisan retards.


Check out the 22 broken, all liberal ideals. Check out the stalled and in the works, sheep.
 
2010-10-18 08:09:59 AM  
Ooooo...."mental ignore"...
 
2010-10-18 08:12:17 AM  
Nemo's Brother: What is funny is that we knew of the failures before Obama apparently did. We predicted the stimulus would not provide new, substainable jobs and that it would only serve to line to wallets of his liberal friends and their kooky little pet projects that could otherwise never be funded in a democratic fashion. We were promised unemployment wouldn't reach 7 percent if it passed.

A year later when unemployment is flirting with 10 percent Obama says "Ooops. I guess there are no shovel ready project. My bad. Ha ha ha"

Obama claimed the healthcare bill wasn't a tax, wouldn't increases premiums and wouldn't force private companies to abandon coverage. He uses the fact that it is a tax when defending it in court (and all while claiming it isn't in public), health care costs are rising and people are getting dropped. How many Democrats are running this fall on the basis of voting for Obamacare?


Hey shiat for brains. Your side ignored health care costs and screamed socialism while being led by by farking health insurance companies. You have no say here. Your worth to America is exactly 00.
 
2010-10-18 08:13:05 AM  
log_jammin: Ooooo...."mental ignore"...

I'm convinced the guy is crazy. I wouldn't trouble yourself with it anymore.
 
2010-10-18 08:15:40 AM  
equilibrium: kevn357: Facts don't mean shiat to these people. They have no idea why Republican derp is going to take over Congress. They've ignored why they actually voted for Obama. Promises broken is old news.

Tracking Obama's campaign promises


Ugh, another partisan tard. I have no clue why you pimp that as something positive. READ IT. Actually read it, not just the cute stats on the top. Pathetic.
 
2010-10-18 08:17:36 AM  
JohnnyC: log_jammin: Ooooo...."mental ignore"...

I'm convinced the guy is crazy. I wouldn't trouble yourself with it anymore.


I'm convinced you haven't refuted anything and have called him crazy since you are mentally lazy. And you're quoting the troll.
 
2010-10-18 08:20:40 AM  
GaryPDX: You guys are really getting desperate and pissy about all this. I told you long ago the pendulum swings, ever since 1865. Now we're going to the right again with as much momentum as you guys gave it to the left the past few years. Embrace the Gridlock, stability will save the economy.

I suppose you could resort to old SDS and Weather Underground tactics but that might not be a good idea.


The pendulum swings to the right, but snaps to the left. The pressure builds up and then there's a "revolution" of some sort, be it a peaceful movement or an actual armed revolution. See the American revolution, the Russian and French revolutions as evidence of this. The 1960s USA was of the more peaceful revolutions, but not without sacrifice.

And right now, the pendulum is farther to the right than it has been since about 1965.
 
2010-10-18 08:23:21 AM  
log_jammin: ever notice how the right thinks they can read minds?

It's called a strawman. That and false dichotomy (If you're not for us, you're against us! If you're not a Patriot [Tea Partier], you're a traitor!) are thier favorites.
 
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