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(Boston Globe)   Study claims that young people are losing empathy. Pfffft. Whatever... like I give a crap about some study on empathy   (boston.com) divider line 182
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2010-10-17 06:24:24 AM
Pyro Messiah: Of course, if you'd like to provide proof of your popular myth I'd be delighted.

Here you go. No need to be such a dick about it in future.
 
2010-10-17 06:26:10 AM
padraig: What's the difference between ignorance and apathy ?

Don't know, don't care.


Classic! total classic
 
2010-10-17 06:30:29 AM
Here, you need to put on your anti-empathy armor..
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2010-10-17 06:33:09 AM
Surely they mean "sympathy", not "empathy"? My impression is that the latter is when you understand, the former is when you care.

Consulting OED right now, it seems to agree with me.
 
2010-10-17 06:33:30 AM
Gunther: Pyro Messiah: Of course, if you'd like to provide proof of your popular myth I'd be delighted.

Here you go. No need to be such a dick about it in future.


Oops! I suspect you didn't read any of those links. See, you're confusing criminal behavior with sociopathy. Yes, people brought up in nasty environments are more likely to engage in criminal behavior.

Problem is that being a criminal doesn't make you a sociopath. A sociopath is a, and I stress this vehemently, rare breed of human for whom there is no capacity for empathy. The classic example is the serial killer, but most of them are not violent. They may be predatory lenders, cops, lawyers, politicians or what have you.

Obviously, Johnny McJackass, who grew up in a white trash trailer doesn't end up a lawyer in most cases. But, lawyers are far more likely to be sociopaths than dishwashers. But even so, they are extraordinarily rare.

It's sort of like how we think that all of the sudden there is an epidemic of serial murder, when in reality we are just able to report all the cases of serial murder. A thousand years ago there were no newspapers to report serial murder. That doesn't mean it didn't exist.
 
2010-10-17 06:40:59 AM
now now plz git ur farks str8: A day without empathy is like a day without a pie in the face.

um, thats not pie.
 
2010-10-17 06:41:06 AM
GAT_00: Somaticasual: Probably because of nice guy syndrome.

Kindness really isn't rewarded in our society. Instead, the nice folks are castigated so much that they become bitter shells.

It's a side effect of the unadulterated capitalism we have made a positive value in this country. When we praise companies for raping the American people in the name of profit, it filters down the attitude that being an asshole is a good thing.


so you are saying we are turning into the french?
 
2010-10-17 06:43:53 AM
farkinawsome: now now plz git ur farks str8: A day without empathy is like a day without a pie in the face.

um, thats not pie.


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2010-10-17 07:02:20 AM
I think they test for empathy by showing images of suffering to people while monitoring reactions in their brains.

I remember on 9/11 (Yes, I know that was years ago) watching a bunch of teenagers, a couple of hours after the attack, all biatching about how all the TV/radio coverage was messing with their plans, and saying stuff like 'It's too bad it happened, but it's over, I'm sick of hearing about it, who cares?'
 
2010-10-17 07:17:38 AM
What do you mean "young people"?

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2010-10-17 07:45:56 AM
Pyro Messiah: Oops! I suspect you didn't read any of those links.

*sigh*

Outside of Law & Order and CSI, "Sociopath" is not a valid medical condition. The proper DSM-IV term is "Antisocial personality disorder", and its severity is a scale. You'd know this if you'd even just looked at the goddamn wikipedia page, you patronizing douche.
 
2010-10-17 07:53:39 AM
Snall: Loving Subby confusing empathy with apathy. Classic.

And we also have jesters versus gestures.
it's pretty sad, really.
 
2010-10-17 07:56:32 AM
One internets awarded to Tardigrade for proper use of a dictionary.
Almost everyone else fails at life.
That is all.
 
2010-10-17 08:01:27 AM
Maybe we should all go to namby pamby land and get you some self confidence, jackwagons!
 
2010-10-17 08:03:20 AM
The Thnikkaman: People are inherently out for themselves and nobody else

Several million years of kin selection acting on humans as social organisms disagree with you. Being "out for themselves and nobody else" is completely antithetical to the levels of cooperation that were required to get the human species to where it is today.

In most normal situations (where, I would argue, such "inherent" traits are most likely to be expressed), humans are far more often cooperators than cheaters. Our relatively stable human society could not have grown otherwise.

So, while statistical outliers exist in any population, your cynicism is unwarranted. :p
 
2010-10-17 08:09:17 AM
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The Empathy Bat is thoroughly distressed at the findings of this study.
 
2010-10-17 08:14:19 AM
Gunther: Pyro Messiah: Oops! I suspect you didn't read any of those links.

*sigh*

Outside of Law & Order and CSI, "Sociopath" is not a valid medical condition. The proper DSM-IV term is "Antisocial personality disorder", and its severity is a scale. You'd know this if you'd even just looked at the goddamn wikipedia page, you patronizing douche.


On the plus side, "patronizing douche" would be an awesome band name.
 
2010-10-17 08:21:34 AM
college students in america are more narcissistic and less empathetic. news at 11

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2010-10-17 08:23:59 AM
Hobodeluxe: the republicans told me empathy was a bad character trait to have.

Indeed they did.

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2010-10-17 08:24:44 AM
Gunther: Pyro Messiah: Oops! I suspect you didn't read any of those links.

*sigh*

Outside of Law & Order and CSI, "Sociopath" is not a valid medical condition. The proper DSM-IV term is "Antisocial personality disorder", and its severity is a scale. You'd know this if you'd even just looked at the goddamn wikipedia page, you patronizing douche.


yeah it's fun to play semantics. Sociopath, Psychopath and Antisocial Personality disorder are all common terms for the same thing. The latter is the current official one. So what?

Way to compltely ignore everything but terminology.
 
2010-10-17 08:26:17 AM
AaronSynn: I think they test for empathy by showing images of suffering to people while monitoring reactions in their brains.

I remember on 9/11 (Yes, I know that was years ago) watching a bunch of teenagers, a couple of hours after the attack, all biatching about how all the TV/radio coverage was messing with their plans, and saying stuff like 'It's too bad it happened, but it's over, I'm sick of hearing about it, who cares?'


I was at a Beef O'Brady's watching coverage (long story, only place I could get to a TV) and the young bartender there said something to the effect of 'it's kind of sad, but it doesn't affect her, so she doesn't really care".
Unbelievable, huh?
I'm pretty sure she's been affected by the aftermath.
 
2010-10-17 08:27:05 AM
Pyro Messiah: PlatypusPuke: Pyro Messiah: PlatypusPuke: I think this is a big deal.

Empathy is what keeps us all from being sociopaths.

Growing up behind a keyboard where it's normal to be rude, dismissive and interrupt-i-tive doesn't help either.

Bullshiat. Sociopathy is nature, not nurture.

Right.

But then we grew grew this thing called the limbic system, which is also natural.

I had no idea wtf you were talking about so I googled it. My reaction is....um, yeah we did. wtf is your point?


You say sociopathy is natural. Duh. without a "me first" mentality, we wouldn't have survived for as long as we have.

But somewhere along the line we naturally developed an additional system that's diametrically opposed to this design and it even comes with a handy override switch over the reptile part of our brains.

Natural sociopathy (survival mechanism) isn't the only big kid on the block anymore. The limbic system is where "nurture" comes from - I learned that from Carl Sagan (you know, that dismal underachiever who smoked a lot of weed)

Nature is alarmingly cruel and efficient. I would rather humanity's definition be driven by what separates us from wild animals.

I will take an inefficient world full of empathic people over an efficient world of sociopaths, and the last thing the world needs right now is a decline in humanity's ability to empathize.

THAT is my farking point.
 
2010-10-17 08:33:20 AM
Pyro Messiah: Complete bullshiat. A person devoid of empathy is a sociopath. Ther is not an epidemic of sociopathy.

Just what do you think a materialistic, capitalist society is?
 
2010-10-17 08:35:07 AM
PlatypusPuke: Pyro Messiah: PlatypusPuke: Pyro Messiah: PlatypusPuke: I think this is a big deal.

Empathy is what keeps us all from being sociopaths.

Growing up behind a keyboard where it's normal to be rude, dismissive and interrupt-i-tive doesn't help either.

Bullshiat. Sociopathy is nature, not nurture.

Right.

But then we grew grew this thing called the limbic system, which is also natural.

I had no idea wtf you were talking about so I googled it. My reaction is....um, yeah we did. wtf is your point?

You say sociopathy is natural. Duh. without a "me first" mentality, we wouldn't have survived for as long as we have.

But somewhere along the line we naturally developed an additional system that's diametrically opposed to this design and it even comes with a handy override switch over the reptile part of our brains.

Natural sociopathy (survival mechanism) isn't the only big kid on the block anymore. The limbic system is where "nurture" comes from - I learned that from Carl Sagan (you know, that dismal underachiever who smoked a lot of weed)

Nature is alarmingly cruel and efficient. I would rather humanity's definition be driven by what separates us from wild animals.

I will take an inefficient world full of empathic people over an efficient world of sociopaths, and the last thing the world needs right now is a decline in humanity's ability to empathize.

THAT is my farking point.


You clearly haven't even the slightest education is psychology. "Natural Sociopathy"? lulz

There is no "natural" lack of empathy. There are all sorts of societal pressures that have led to people compartmentalizing, but that is hardly what we are discussing.

Sociopaths, or Psychopaths or whatever term is currently in vogue are abberations. Period. A true psychopath has no regard for the moral norms of even his own tribe. Take that as far back as you wish and it remains true.
 
2010-10-17 08:37:53 AM
Pyro Messiah: Way to compltely ignore everything but terminology.

My point is that saying "sociopaths are totally genetic" is meaningless, because the term isn't defined. The medical term is antisocial personality disorder, and the causes for that include environmental stuff like abusive childhoods and so on.

So yeah, if you're going to be a dick, don't a dick about things you're wrong about.
 
2010-10-17 08:39:03 AM
Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Pyro Messiah: Complete bullshiat. A person devoid of empathy is a sociopath. Ther is not an epidemic of sociopathy.

Just what do you think a materialistic, capitalist society is?


Compartmentalization and a gap or valley between you and the far off repurcussions of your behavior. A sociopath's behavior has immediate repercussion upon those close to him or her. In the worst cases (Dick Cheney as one example) in can have far reaching consequences, but most of them are run-of-the-mill wrecking balls.
 
2010-10-17 08:41:47 AM
I was not aware that people in Boston ever had any empathy for anyone. It is by far the rudest city I ever visited.
 
2010-10-17 08:42:29 AM
Gunther: Pyro Messiah: Way to compltely ignore everything but terminology.

My point is that saying "sociopaths are totally genetic" is meaningless, because the term isn't defined. The medical term is antisocial personality disorder, and the causes for that include environmental stuff like abusive childhoods and so on.

So yeah, if you're going to be a dick, don't a dick about things you're wrong about.


You are taking offense merely because I disagree with you.

The "medical term" is meaningless. They simply do not know what causes it. Yes there are theories, but they are just that and nothing more. Much like addiction, there is no shortage of conjecture as to the root cause of a lack of empathy but they haven't the slightest clue as to how to treat, or more importantly prevent it.

Put your panties back on, I haven't insulted you until now.
 
2010-10-17 08:46:36 AM
Just a note: I have plenty of empathy but I could still go on a killing rampage. Food for thought!
 
2010-10-17 08:50:24 AM
Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Pyro Messiah: Complete bullshiat. A person devoid of empathy is a sociopath. Ther is not an epidemic of sociopathy.

Just what do you think a materialistic, capitalist society is?


It's clear that everything counts in large amounts to some people, but if you think most people are like that you're wrong. It's easy to sit in your room, thinking of the new life you could be living if you had no empathy and could act without taking anything personal. Jesus: you'd think the world, in my eyes, was full of sociopaths and it would be just a question of time before they heard the money in your pocket and they were coming to give you a shake. The disease is over-reported, people! Are people REALLY so jaded they don't see the good people? It's called a heart, and we all have one. Goodnight, lovers, and peace to you all.

/not as good as SAM...
 
2010-10-17 08:52:09 AM
Jackpot777 2010-10-17 08:23:59 AM

Hobodeluxe: the republicans told me empathy was a bad character trait to have.

Indeed they did.


It is not that empathy is bad, Empathy, especially among right of center people, is good as it leads to things like giving to charity and helping others.

But empathy among left wing jackasses is a bad thing, because ti causes them to want to steal everyone else's money and spend it on crap social programs and bureaucracy.
 
2010-10-17 08:54:38 AM
Impudent Domain: Jackpot777 2010-10-17 08:23:59 AM

Hobodeluxe: the republicans told me empathy was a bad character trait to have.

Indeed they did.

It is not that empathy is bad, Empathy, especially among right of center people, is good as it leads to things like giving to charity and helping others.

But empathy among left wing jackasses is a bad thing, because ti causes them to want to steal everyone else's money and spend it on crap social programs and bureaucracy.


2/10. Needed more spelling mistakes.
 
2010-10-17 08:58:51 AM
 
2010-10-17 09:00:57 AM
Volunteering is on the rise among young people because HS teachers are drilling it into their students that you need to have volunteer work on your resume so you can get that job later in life. I doubt it actually works but HS people will believe anything you tell them. I think it would make more sense if they said empathy was down because the number of volunteers was down.
 
2010-10-17 09:04:14 AM
when empathy becomes a job, (which it is) it will fail.
 
2010-10-17 09:08:24 AM
Jackpot777: It's easy to sit in your room, thinking of the new life you could be living if you had no empathy and could act without taking anything personal.

I don't think many people reflect on how much selfish shiat they could pull in their own lives as they already are, if they didn't have a conscience preventing them from harming others.
 
2010-10-17 09:10:25 AM
Snall: Just a note: I have plenty of empathy but I could still go on a killing rampage. Food for thought!

Then you won't feel bad about giving us advanced notice of when and where your rampage will occur.
 
2010-10-17 09:11:54 AM
Snall: Just a note: I have plenty of empathy but I could still go on a killing rampage. Food for thought!

Yes, that's because you have no sympathy.
 
2010-10-17 09:17:34 AM
Nope, not going for the word wrangle, I DO have plenty of sympathy!! ...but me feeling bad should hardly stop me from my rampage. I will carry the cross of guilt to do what must be done! ...etc.

Also: Why doesn't Schwann's have cod nuggets? That's all I wanted damnit...
 
2010-10-17 09:18:47 AM
The Thnikkaman: I didn't ask for the childhood abuse I endured at the hands of an alcoholic and mentally ill family. But it smartened me up. And I have my own farking issues because of it. A lack of empathy is one of those issues. Why? Because if I (and other people like me) can't trust their own family, there is noone else they can trust, now is there? So why should they care about anyone else?


Yet you choose to pester us with your personal tale of Wah. Tough shiate, boohoo. Man up.
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2010-10-17 09:20:14 AM
Snall: Nope, not going for the word wrangle, I DO have plenty of sympathy!! ...but me feeling bad should hardly stop me from my rampage. I will carry the cross of guilt to do what must be done! ...etc.

Don't confuse things by bringing guilt into this!
 
2010-10-17 09:25:49 AM
If you only meet cold people who are jerks and in no way feel empathy for others, maybe you should try to change your social circle.

I spend my days surrounded by extremely nice people, who are not jerks, are filled with empathy and will run to help others. Sometimes will even 'fight' as to who will have the opportunity to help them.
 
2010-10-17 09:28:16 AM
Old people are more racist and homophobic than young people. Something like 75% of O'Reilly's and Hannity's audience is over 55. Sounds like we're gaining empathy.
 
2010-10-17 09:29:36 AM
The Thnikkaman: When the young people of the world are raised by self-centered greedy assholes, they learn a thing or two. I didn't ask for the childhood abuse I endured at the hands of an alcoholic and mentally ill family. But it smartened me up. And I have my own farking issues because of it. A lack of empathy is one of those issues.

Have you considered the possibility that your childhood experiences did not remove your rose-colored glasses, allowing you to accurately see reality, but in fact provided you with a set of crap-colored glasses?
 
2010-10-17 09:38:29 AM
Weaver95: GAT_00:
No, Rand would be cheering them on, as her disciples have for years. You are aware her mentality...

Actually - that's incredibly dishonest of you, especially given that you KNOW that Rand would never condone government bailouts of corporations. She actually wrote about that sort of thing in Atlas Shrugged, classifying CEOs who manipulated the government into bailouts as 'looters'. it's about as direct as you can get...why would you do that? that was demonstrably false.


I can never quite figure you out weaver. Gat I understand. I get that world view even though it's counter intuitive as hell. *The government subsidizes companies to the detriment of the people, lets give the government more power to solve this issue.* You on the other hand swing left and right whatever the issue. I'm certain there's a philosophical consistency, but I'm not certain what it is.
 
2010-10-17 09:42:16 AM
ptelg: I'm certain there's a philosophical consistency, but I'm not certain what it is.

Deep psychological malfunction.
 
2010-10-17 09:46:02 AM
Pyro Messiah: You are taking offense merely because I disagree with you.

I'm taking offense because a) you're wrong, and b) you're being a dick about it. Either of those on their own are fine, but together they're irritating.

Pyro Messiah: They simply do not know what causes it.

Firstly, that's moving the goalposts a hell of a lot from your earlier posts, where you said it was genetic and that people who thought otherwise were buying into a myth. Secondly, a lot of research has been done into the root causes of APD over the past decade, and most psychologists are fairly sure now that it's caused by a combination of environmental and genetic factors.
 
2010-10-17 09:46:11 AM
 
2010-10-17 09:49:15 AM
LouDobbsAwaaaay: Old people are more racist and homophobic than young people. Something like 75% of O'Reilly's and Hannity's audience is over 55. Sounds like we're gaining empathy.

Shifting social norms are not the same as gaining or losing empathy. I could believe that people are people and they all deserve a fair chance AND think that if you do something stupid you should have to pay the consequences AND not care how much it hurts.
 
2010-10-17 09:59:05 AM
ptelg: Shifting social norms are not the same as gaining or losing empathy.

It is if the social norm is "blacks/hispanics/gays aren't really people and don't deserve the same civil rights as the rest of us". The old social norm was predicated on a severe dearth of empathy, and it's eroding bit by bit.
 
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