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(Some Guy)   Microsoft: "Its impossible for the HTC HD2 to receive a Windows Phone 7 upgrade." XDA Developers: "Hrm? What? Sorry, we were having so much fun porting Android over, that we accidentally ported Windows Phone 7 over too"   (gizmocrunch.com) divider line 73
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2010-10-16 11:00:07 AM
Excuse me, why was your video filmed by someone more shaky then a Parkinson's patient high on speed?
 
2010-10-16 11:57:12 AM
There's a difference between can and should. My G1 can take the latest Android update, but after a week the phone will barely work.
 
2010-10-16 12:05:33 PM
Con_Authority: Excuse me, why was your video filmed by someone more shaky then a Parkinson's patient high on speed?

Ironically, speed looks to be a good thing (new window) for Parkinson's patients.
 
2010-10-16 12:09:42 PM
Might as well throw it in the trash.
 
2010-10-16 12:19:09 PM
Well, that was shaky and boring. What does it mean?
 
2010-10-16 12:28:05 PM
Microsoft has said that it is issuing "tough, but fair" hardware requirements to manufacturers.[80] All Windows Phone 7 devices, at minimum, must include the following:[4][81]
Minimum Windows Phone 7 device requirements
Capacitive, 4-point multitouch screen with WVGA (800x480) resolution
1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
256MB of RAM with at least 8GB of Flash memory
Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
5-megapixel camera with flash
FM radio tuner
6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down.[82]

WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.
 
2010-10-16 12:30:40 PM
People who originally bought the HTC HD2 who one big aversion: the fact that it had Windows Mobile 6.5 on it, a total dinosaur in the Mobile OS world.

WM6.5 is really buggy, crashes and freezes a lot, and doesn't even come close to fully utilizing the 1ghz Snapdragon CPU in the phone.

At the time, HTC said that the phone would receive an upgrade to Windows Phone 7 when it was ready, and it was only after a whole shiat load of "buyer's remorse" periods expired that they came out and said, "Oh, maybe not. Oh well, enjoy your really expensive paperweight."

So to the multitude of HTC HD2 owners, this is glorious.
 
2010-10-16 12:33:05 PM
I am currently dual booting WM6.5 and Android 2.2 on my HTC HD2.
 
2010-10-16 12:37:03 PM
beoswulf: 6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down.

I don't want dedicated buttons, and certainly not one that causes the camera to come up. I want customizable buttons. You have no idea how annoyed I get that the right button on my Samsung POS9000 opens EasyEdge, and it cannot be changed. I guess that's what I get for taking the $1-when-you-renew-your-contract phone.
 
2010-10-16 12:41:54 PM
Where is the control-alt-delete button?
 
2010-10-16 12:49:54 PM
Santroff: People who originally bought the HTC HD2 who one big aversion: the fact that it had Windows Mobile 6.5 on it, a total dinosaur in the Mobile OS world.

WM6.5 is really buggy, crashes and freezes a lot, and doesn't even come close to fully utilizing the 1ghz Snapdragon CPU in the phone.

At the time, HTC said that the phone would receive an upgrade to Windows Phone 7 when it was ready, and it was only after a whole shiat load of "buyer's remorse" periods expired that they came out and said, "Oh, maybe not. Oh well, enjoy your really expensive paperweight."

So to the multitude of HTC HD2 owners, this is glorious.



--
Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Luckily for me, WM6.5 on the HD2 was so bad and buggy it crashed and forgot settings constantly. I say luckily, as I spent only 10 days with the thing before taking it back, inside the time frame for returns. I was afraid I wasn't going to be able to do the upgrade to either Android (unconfirmed rumor that would work at the time) or Win7.

It's great that the community managed to do that.
 
2010-10-16 12:54:20 PM
beoswulf:
FM radio tuner



WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.


Microsoft runs a secret encrypted radio station in the FM band that is used to force downloads to smart phones that have had their 3G/4G antennas turned off...
 
2010-10-16 12:56:08 PM
Why the hell does a multitouch phone have to have SIX dedicated hardware buttons? It's a multitouch screen! You can put whatever buttons you want on it, wherever you want them! This is one place where Apple has it right: One big honkin' button at the bottom of the screen, that can take you home, take you to search, take you to the app manager with a double click, and enable voice control, plus the volume buttons on the side and the lock button on top. 3 buttons. And I agree with not having a hardware button that starts the camera. I don't want a hardware button that is capable of doing anything on its own when the phone is locked- that's how you end up butt- dialing people!
 
2010-10-16 12:59:19 PM
I'm still waiting for Microsoft to try and make a mouse/keyboard mandatory for their phones.

The only button missing from the HTC HD2 that causes it to fail Microsoft's standards is the dedicated "Search" button, which as many speculate is just a Microsoft tactic to try and push Bing down all Mobile OS users' throats.

First thing I'd do is change that to bring up Google anyway, so its kind of moot.
 
2010-10-16 01:09:27 PM
Greek

Why the hell does a multitouch phone have to have SIX dedicated hardware buttons? It's a multitouch screen!

My HTC incredible technically has 8 buttons, if you count the power/sleep button and the volume up/down buttons. That said, you really only use the main 4 and the power button in everyday (intentional) use.*

* - my only complaint with this phone, the f#*king volume buttons! I hit those goddamn things five times a day without meaning to while I'm just trying to hold the phone in landscape mode. I absolutely love this phone besides that, but it does get old.
 
2010-10-16 01:10:35 PM
Santroff: The only button missing from the HTC HD2 that causes it to fail Microsoft's standards is the dedicated "Search" button, which as many speculate is just a Microsoft tactic to try and push Bing down all Mobile OS users' throats.

Frankly, it seems like it's very much in the same position as the search button that's on a large assortment of Android phones, and serves the same purpose. The "lameness" comes if certain online search services are locked to that button, and I'm guessing WP7 devices will have less of a choice with that than Android... but it remains to be seen if the carriers can't override that and go with their own choice.

It's certainly not bad to have the dedicated search field there, as universal searching is a really good way to get around, no matter what you're wanting. It would behoove the iPhone to make their Home button's "press-and-hold" be for that task--or at least to share it with Voice Over. A swipe from the home screen is marginally convenient, but can be a number of clicks and touches away if you're in an app from page five... Multi-click and press-and-hold behaviors can be used from anywhere.
 
2010-10-16 01:14:09 PM
HempHead: Where is the control-alt-delete button?

Eliminating that silly button combination from the fark'n 80s is the biggest single advance in WM7.

/now get rid of it in Windows 7
 
2010-10-16 01:35:25 PM
Con_Authority: Excuse me, why was your video filmed by someone more shaky then a Parkinson's patient high on speed?

i156.photobucket.com
 
2010-10-16 01:44:18 PM
beoswulf: Microsoft has said that it is issuing "tough, but fair" hardware requirements to manufacturers.[80] All Windows Phone 7 devices, at minimum, must include the following:[4][81]
Minimum Windows Phone 7 device requirements
Capacitive, 4-point multitouch screen with WVGA (800x480) resolution
1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
256MB of RAM with at least 8GB of Flash memory
Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
5-megapixel camera with flash
FM radio tuner
6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down.[82]

WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.


Bummer. No HTC resistive phones with a stylus then. I'll pass
 
2010-10-16 02:04:17 PM
Banacek: There's a difference between can and should. My G1 can take the latest Android update, but after a week the phone will barely work.

Patent nonsense. I've been running Cyanogenmod 6.0 (based off froyo) for months now and it's far better then the stock android 1.6. faster, more stable. better in every way possible.

Are you sure that you've tried upgrading your phone? because I have 3 other people I've done it for who agree with me.

Frankly, I would trust an OS build from a XDA dev far more then I would one from T-mobile or Verizon or whatever.

/I hope winmo7 is better then the awful winmo I used to use a few years ago. It failed at being both a phone and a PDA.
 
2010-10-16 02:12:18 PM
rosonowski: Ironically, speed looks to be a good thing (new window) for Parkinson's patients.

I wouldn't call it ironic, I mean, Parkinson's is caused by a lack of dopamine, so amphetamines make a lot of sense there.

/budding pharmaceutical engineer
 
2010-10-16 02:15:41 PM
Kuoxasar: I wouldn't call it ironic, I mean, Parkinson's is caused by a lack of dopamine, so amphetamines make a lot of sense there.

/budding pharmaceutical engineer


I believe the irony is in the fact that Con_Authority said the cameraman looked like he had Parkinson's and was on speed. But that's still cool to know.
 
2010-10-16 02:25:26 PM
Santroff: Kuoxasar: I wouldn't call it ironic, I mean, Parkinson's is caused by a lack of dopamine, so amphetamines make a lot of sense there.

/budding pharmaceutical engineer

I believe the irony is in the fact that Con_Authority said the cameraman looked like he had Parkinson's and was on speed. But that's still cool to know.


That's still not irony
 
2010-10-16 02:31:44 PM
beoswulf: Microsoft has said that it is issuing "tough, but fair" hardware requirements to manufacturers.[80] All Windows Phone 7 devices, at minimum, must include the following:[4][81]
Minimum Windows Phone 7 device requirements
Capacitive, 4-point multitouch screen with WVGA (800x480) resolution
1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
256MB of RAM with at least 8GB of Flash memory
Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
5-megapixel camera with flash
FM radio tuner
6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down.[82]

WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.


Yeah, because radio stations are so useless. I mean, you can't get timely, pertinent, emergency information from one or something, right? But your point is taken about it needing to be in a smartphone. What windows mo 7 (and the iphone for that matter) really are is a multimedia internet devices that make phone calls. If you look at it that way, a better argument for FM radio can be made. Now what I would prefer is a HD radio, with some tivo like functionality. That would be cool....
 
2010-10-16 02:35:14 PM
mequickwantslow: That's still not irony

Webster's online dictionary:

3.(1) incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result

I love semantics debates, so please feel free to engage me.

(You're not antisemantic, are you?)
 
2010-10-16 02:45:47 PM
beoswulf: FM radio tuner

Yeah, wonder how much the RIAA paid them to include this "requirement."
 
2010-10-16 03:09:18 PM
mequickwantslow: Santroff: Kuoxasar: I wouldn't call it ironic, I mean, Parkinson's is caused by a lack of dopamine, so amphetamines make a lot of sense there.

/budding pharmaceutical engineer

I believe the irony is in the fact that Con_Authority said the cameraman looked like he had Parkinson's and was on speed. But that's still cool to know.

That's still not irony


When given to people with a disease that makes them shaky, a drug that normally makes people fast and shaky does exactly the opposite. People without detailed esoteric knowledge of the pathophysiology of the disease would expect a Parkinson's patient to be extra shaky on speed, when in fact they are not. Thus this fits perfectly with definition 5 on dictionary.com: "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected."
 
2010-10-16 03:18:13 PM
RyansPrivates: beoswulf: Microsoft has said that it is issuing "tough, but fair" hardware requirements to manufacturers.[80] All Windows Phone 7 devices, at minimum, must include the following:[4][81]
Minimum Windows Phone 7 device requirements
Capacitive, 4-point multitouch screen with WVGA (800x480) resolution
1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
256MB of RAM with at least 8GB of Flash memory
Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
5-megapixel camera with flash
FM radio tuner
6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down.[82]

WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.

Yeah, because radio stations are so useless. I mean, you can't get timely, pertinent, emergency information from one or something, right? But your point is taken about it needing to be in a smartphone. What windows mo 7 (and the iphone for that matter) really are is a multimedia internet devices that make phone calls. If you look at it that way, a better argument for FM radio can be made. Now what I would prefer is a HD radio, with some tivo like functionality. That would be cool....


I haven't received timely, pertinent, or emergency information from radio in at least a decade.

/or cable news
 
2010-10-16 03:46:19 PM
Why cram all this stuff into one device?

I have a phone I use for a phone, a camera I use as a camera, and a computer for bill paying + masturbation tasks.
 
2010-10-16 03:54:06 PM
studebaker hoch: Why cram all this stuff into one device?

I have a phone I use for a phone, a camera I use as a camera, and a computer for bill paying + masturbation tasks.


Why farking not? I can do all those well with one device now.
 
2010-10-16 04:31:31 PM
beoswulf: FM radio tuner

WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.


so millions of people still listen to the radio... with zune pass, if you listen to the radio, you hear a song you like. you can download it and then build a new smart playlist on it and it will download a whole new set of songs based on that one. all without plugging it in. atleast that is what it does with the 30gb old school zune i have.

but yeah, i am sure it is something to complain about.
 
2010-10-16 04:47:58 PM
superchump

Why farking not? I can do all those well with one device now.

And if you lose that on device? Then what happens?

Srsly, the reason I snark at all these uberphones is that I aleady have the means to do these things, and have no need to purchase anything else.
 
2010-10-16 05:21:25 PM
beoswulf:
WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.


The only thing I can think of is traffic data embedded in FM broadcasts. TMC (new window)
 
2010-10-16 05:23:37 PM
Oh... and they may be looking to leverage the technology that was used in the SPOT watches: SPOT (new window)
 
2010-10-16 05:38:56 PM
studebaker hoch: superchump

Why farking not? I can do all those well with one device now.

And if you lose that on device? Then what happens?

Srsly, the reason I snark at all these uberphones is that I aleady have the means to do these things, and have no need to purchase anything else.


It's not like I don't have a separate computer or camera. But why the hell would I lug everything around like that when I can do what I need to do from one device? If I lose it? Tough shiat, I'll get it replaced.
 
2010-10-16 05:43:12 PM
bravian: I haven't received timely, pertinent, or emergency information from radio in at least a decade.

You have to listen to the right stations. When there was a tornado here in Dallas, some stations kept playing music but a select few reported live on the location of the tornado.
 
2010-10-16 05:46:36 PM
cthellis: It would behoove the iPhone to make their Home button's "press-and-hold" be for that task--or at least to share it with Voice Over. A swipe from the home screen is marginally convenient, but can be a number of clicks and touches away if you're in an app from page five... Multi-click and press-and-hold behaviors can be used from anywhere.

Actually, worst case is pushing the home button 3 times. Once to exit the app, again to return to homepage 1, and one last time to go to Search. Definitely not as good as a dedicated button but not hard.
 
2010-10-16 05:49:40 PM
meh, I've seen lots of hardware boot WP7. It's farking software.
 
2010-10-16 05:54:18 PM
bhcompy: Bummer. No HTC resistive phones with a stylus then. I'll pass

I really don't know of anyone doing resistive input anymore except the people making those crappy K-Mart android tablets. Nokia is the only major manufacturer that still seems to hang on to them, and even they are looking to go capacitive with all of their new Symbian^3 and MeeGo phones. I may be a little biased because I've NEVER liked pulling out a stylus to work a phone or PDA, but it really seems like capacitive multitouch has taken over the mobile phone world, and resistive has gone the way of D-AMPS for mobile phones.

Unless you go for a Nokia Nuron or something similar, I think you're SOL when it comes to getting a resistive screen. No manufacturer is going to ever launch a high end handset without a capacitive screen. It's basically built into the requirements of all the modern smartphone operating systems because multi-point touch interaction is so crucial to how they function.
 
2010-10-16 05:55:38 PM
mxwjs: beoswulf: FM radio tuner

WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.

so millions of people still listen to the radio... with zune pass, if you listen to the radio, you hear a song you like. you can download it and then build a new smart playlist on it and it will download a whole new set of songs based on that one. all without plugging it in. atleast that is what it does with the 30gb old school zune i have.

but yeah, i am sure it is something to complain about.


Also, a ton of people use the FM radio in their phones to listen to the TVs while working out at the gym.
 
2010-10-16 06:07:46 PM
RyansPrivates: beoswulf: Microsoft has said that it is issuing "tough, but fair" hardware requirements to manufacturers.[80] All Windows Phone 7 devices, at minimum, must include the following:[4][81]
Minimum Windows Phone 7 device requirements
Capacitive, 4-point multitouch screen with WVGA (800x480) resolution
1 GHz ARM v7 "Cortex/Scorpion" or better processor
DirectX9 rendering-capable GPU
256MB of RAM with at least 8GB of Flash memory
Accelerometer with compass, ambient light sensor, proximity sensor and Assisted GPS
5-megapixel camera with flash
FM radio tuner
6 dedicated hardware buttons - back, Start, search, camera, power/sleep and Volume Up and Down.[82]

WTF, is this a Walkman from the early 90s or a smartphone? Might as well demand a cassette deck and a zip drive.

Yeah, because radio stations are so useless. I mean, you can't get timely, pertinent, emergency information from one or something, right? But your point is taken about it needing to be in a smartphone. What windows mo 7 (and the iphone for that matter) really are is a multimedia internet devices that make phone calls. If you look at it that way, a better argument for FM radio can be made. Now what I would prefer is a HD radio, with some tivo like functionality. That would be cool....


Then instead of FM Broadcast, have them double as a weather radio.
 
2010-10-16 07:21:30 PM
HD digital radio would be nice, but the more reasonable reason for inclusion of a FM tuner is for emergency broadcast information capability.

the more actual reason probably has something to do with the RIAA trying to get the FCC to mandate FM tuners in all phones.

as for folks not hearing as many emergency broadcast reports and tests is because most markets have designated that the local PBS stations be the official EBS stations and that in case of an emergency they will inform the listeners to tune to that station..
 
2010-10-16 07:42:06 PM
Microsoft didn't say it's impossible, just that it wouldn't be supported by Microsoft.
 
2010-10-16 07:50:56 PM
They never said it CAN'T. It's just there's minimum spec Microsoft has in order for them to license Phone 7. Google has minimum specs for Android as well, and i'm sure Android can be run on devices without a camera (which is one of their req).
 
2010-10-16 08:04:39 PM
interruptive_cow: mequickwantslow: Santroff: Kuoxasar: I wouldn't call it ironic, I mean, Parkinson's is caused by a lack of dopamine, so amphetamines make a lot of sense there.

/budding pharmaceutical engineer

I believe the irony is in the fact that Con_Authority said the cameraman looked like he had Parkinson's and was on speed. But that's still cool to know.

That's still not irony

When given to people with a disease that makes them shaky, a drug that normally makes people fast and shaky does exactly the opposite. People without detailed esoteric knowledge of the pathophysiology of the disease would expect a Parkinson's patient to be extra shaky on speed, when in fact they are not. Thus this fits perfectly with definition 5 on dictionary.com: "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected."


It's not the disease that makes people with Parkinson's shake, it's the medication that does it. Without the medication they can hardly move.
 
2010-10-16 08:33:57 PM
cthellis: It's certainly not bad to have the dedicated search field there, as universal searching is a really good way to get around, no matter what you're wanting. It would behoove the iPhone to make their Home button's "press-and-hold" be for that task--or at least to share it with Voice Over. A swipe from the home screen is marginally convenient, but can be a number of clicks and touches away if you're in an app from page five... Multi-click and press-and-hold behaviors can be used from anywhere.

It already does... If you're in an app:
Click once to return to springboard
Click again to go to page one
Click again to go to spotlight.

If you're already in springboard, click twice. Click once if you're already on page 1.It's a slow click though, not a fast double click. Let the each click take effect before clicking it again, maybe a half-second between each.
 
2010-10-16 09:05:03 PM
The problem with this is that by the end of the project, you'll still have a phone running Windows Mobile.
 
2010-10-16 09:20:42 PM
Dear Subby:

Its != It's

/Just sayin'.
 
2010-10-16 09:55:44 PM
rosonowski: Con_Authority: Excuse me, why was your video filmed by someone more shaky then a Parkinson's patient high on speed?

Ironically, speed looks to be a good thing (new window) for Parkinson's patients.


it should be. Speed causes the release of more dopamine as well as seratonin and norepinephrine. However there are much more specific drugs you can use.
 
2010-10-16 10:26:55 PM
Cerebral Knievel: the more actual reason probably has something to do with the RIAA trying to get the FCC to mandate FM tuners in all phones.

Doubtful. All Zunes have always had FM radio, which as others have pointed out, is really nice when at a gym. Since these phones run the Zune software, I bet they figured it would be a lot easier requiring similar standards, then going and rewriting a separate 'phone' Zune software.

Santroff: The only button missing from the HTC HD2 that causes it to fail Microsoft's standards is the dedicated "Search" button, which as many speculate is just a Microsoft tactic to try and push Bing down all Mobile OS users' throats.

The interesting thing about the search button in WinPho7 is that it's contextual, and not always an internet search. If you're on the home screen, you can search for pretty much anything on the phone or the web. If you hit search while in your media, it'll search for specific media. Hit search while in maps, it'll search only map related queries. If you're in the browser, it'll search web related stuff via bing. It's pretty good in daily use, especially the voice recognition.

The back button is similar in this function. If I'm searching for things in maps, it'll just jump back a step vs. dropping out of the application. If you want to drop out of the application, you hit the 'home' button.

They also require the camera button because they want to guarantee a 2-second from any mode (except off) to be ready to shoot a picture. Like most other phones, you have to unlock the phone, scroll to photos, then to camera, then wait for the camera to boot, you're waiting around 10-20 seconds to just snap a quick picture. Seems to work pretty well.
 
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