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2010-10-14 04:15:04 PM  
That is brilliant.

Farking up language, making up new words, slang adds to the overall evolution of language. Which over time creates new languages- and new identities of new cultures. Its a good thing.

The story of Jamaican Patois is facinating, for example.
 
2010-10-14 04:15:34 PM  
Those should be double quotes in the headline, not single quotes.
 
2010-10-14 04:26:00 PM  
Ugh. Grammar "nazi's." Its not that hard, submitter. :(
 
2010-10-14 04:39:52 PM  
Hold the newsreader's noise squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers.
 
2010-10-14 04:51:16 PM  
Its "grammar Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei members" subby.
 
2010-10-14 04:59:06 PM  
The correct plural is "grammers nazi" subby.
 
2010-10-14 05:37:04 PM  
I really would have gone with "Stop being pedants" when addressing a group.

/am stealing "grammars nazi"
 
2010-10-14 05:44:44 PM  
loved. it. god bless stephen fry, YOU DOLT!
 
2010-10-14 05:44:46 PM  
www.mediumdevice.com
 
2010-10-14 06:12:48 PM  
awfulperson: Ugh. Grammar "nazi's." Its not that hard, submitter. :(

See, I know you did that on purpose just so someone would try to correct you, but I still instinctively get annoyed and feel the inescapable need to tell you so.
 
2010-10-14 06:24:14 PM  
Listening to that was great. Watching the word animation din't work for me. It just din't.
 
2010-10-14 06:27:54 PM  
Nazi. Capitalized. Have some effing respect.
 
2010-10-14 06:32:39 PM  
downstairs: That is brilliant.

Farking up language, making up new words, slang adds to the overall evolution of language. Which over time creates new languages- and new identities of new cultures. Its a good thing.

The story of Jamaican Patois is facinating, for example.


Descriptivist poppycock... making excuses for laziness and ignorance. Not all change is good. Change for the sake of change is almost never good. Change because people are lazy and stupid... definitely bad.

Ebonics for example is white America's latest crime against blacks. Conservatives don't want to spend the money to educate brown people. Liberals want to pat the blacks on their heads and tell them "it's OK, you're victims of your circumstances". Thus blacks will be otherized and pass on generational poverty some more.

It's easily solvable. Stop treating blacks as inferiors, stop pretending they can't learn to speak English. Teach them subject verb agreement like we do with the white kids. It will be one less form of segregation.

Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge,
But he who hates correction is stupid.

Keep making excuses for being unable to spell, punctuate and so on. i'll keep correcting you. Maybe you'll learn and seem less stupid for the rest of your life.
 
2010-10-14 06:46:16 PM  
GROG ANGRY! GRAAAARGHGH!!!
 
2010-10-14 06:50:47 PM  
apeiron242: downstairs: That is brilliant.

Farking up language, making up new words, slang adds to the overall evolution of language. Which over time creates new languages- and new identities of new cultures. Its a good thing.

The story of Jamaican Patois is facinating, for example.

Descriptivist poppycock... making excuses for laziness and ignorance. Not all change is good. Change for the sake of change is almost never good. Change because people are lazy and stupid... definitely bad.

Ebonics for example is white America's latest crime against blacks. Conservatives don't want to spend the money to educate brown people. Liberals want to pat the blacks on their heads and tell them "it's OK, you're victims of your circumstances". Thus blacks will be otherized and pass on generational poverty some more.

It's easily solvable. Stop treating blacks as inferiors, stop pretending they can't learn to speak English. Teach them subject verb agreement like we do with the white kids. It will be one less form of segregation.

Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge,
But he who hates correction is stupid.

Keep making excuses for being unable to spell, punctuate and so on. i'll keep correcting you. Maybe you'll learn and seem less stupid for the rest of your life.


You should watch the video. I'm pretty sure he was talking about you.
 
2010-10-14 07:01:26 PM  
Meh.

Entertaining, but utter tosh.
 
2010-10-14 07:02:28 PM  
apeiron242: downstairs: That is brilliant.

Farking up language, making up new words, slang adds to the overall evolution of language. Which over time creates new languages- and new identities of new cultures. Its a good thing.

The story of Jamaican Patois is facinating, for example.

Descriptivist poppycock... making excuses for laziness and ignorance. Not all change is good. Change for the sake of change is almost never good. Change because people are lazy and stupid... definitely bad.

Ebonics for example is white America's latest crime against blacks. Conservatives don't want to spend the money to educate brown people. Liberals want to pat the blacks on their heads and tell them "it's OK, you're victims of your circumstances". Thus blacks will be otherized and pass on generational poverty some more.

It's easily solvable. Stop treating blacks as inferiors, stop pretending they can't learn to speak English. Teach them subject verb agreement like we do with the white kids. It will be one less form of segregation.

Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge,
But he who hates correction is stupid.

Keep making excuses for being unable to spell, punctuate and so on. i'll keep correcting you. Maybe you'll learn and seem less stupid for the rest of your life.


Yes, the video was directly addressing you.
 
2010-10-14 07:20:56 PM  
Beautifully delivered. I mean, I agree with the sentiments too, but I could listen to that voice read the phone book and stay hooked.
 
2010-10-14 07:22:50 PM  
1) Correcting spelling and apostrophe usage is a good thing.
2) Verbing nouns is fine with me. I agree that it is a celebration of the language, though I never thought of it that way.
3) No, Grammar Nazis do not find joy in beautiful language - at least not publicly. We are here only to punish. That's why we're called Grammar Nazis instead of Grammar Doctors.
4) Yes, we do take ourselves too seriously. But that realization is not going to dissuade us from our mission one whit.
5) Implementing things like "five items or fewer" back into our mainstream would be a good thing. I do not advocate boycotting a store simply because of poor grammar or spelling usage, though.
 
2010-10-14 07:26:00 PM  
apeiron242: Ebonics for example is white America's latest crime against blacks. Conservatives don't want to spend the money to educate brown people. Liberals want to pat the blacks on their heads and tell them "it's OK, you're victims of your circumstances". Thus blacks will be otherized and pass on generational poverty some more.

It's easily solvable. Stop treating blacks as inferiors, stop pretending they can't learn to speak English. Teach them subject verb agreement like we do with the white kids. It will be one less form of segregation.


Lipo: You should watch the video. I'm pretty sure he was talking about you.

MojoFraggle: Yes, the video was directly addressing you.

So no, if you watched to the end, Mr. Fry did make the point that one needs to be able to use proper English in the right circumstances. Like clothes - just like you put on a tie for an interview, you dress up your language during an interview, or perhaps in an academic setting.

It's all about context, you twits.

It's fine if you use colloquial language conversationally in the right context (maybe on the Intarwebs). But apeiron242's point is well taken. There is a (hopefully diminishing) underclass that is not able to alter their language in different contexts, and excusing that is unacceptable because it dooms those people to never rise (socioeconomically).

It's not just minorities in the US, either. You can see this everywhere on Earth. Those who cannot speak the language of business where they live are stuck with business that doesn't require language.

For instance, ya like dags?
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2010-10-14 07:35:50 PM  
apeiron242: downstairs: That is brilliant.

Farking up language, making up new words, slang adds to the overall evolution of language. Which over time creates new languages- and new identities of new cultures. Its a good thing.

The story of Jamaican Patois is facinating, for example.

Descriptivist poppycock... making excuses for laziness and ignorance. Not all change is good. Change for the sake of change is almost never good. Change because people are lazy and stupid... definitely bad.

Ebonics for example is white America's latest crime against blacks. Conservatives don't want to spend the money to educate brown people. Liberals want to pat the blacks on their heads and tell them "it's OK, you're victims of your circumstances". Thus blacks will be otherized and pass on generational poverty some more.

It's easily solvable. Stop treating blacks as inferiors, stop pretending they can't learn to speak English. Teach them subject verb agreement like we do with the white kids. It will be one less form of segregation.

Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge,
But he who hates correction is stupid.

Keep making excuses for being unable to spell, punctuate and so on. i'll keep correcting you. Maybe you'll learn and seem less stupid for the rest of your life.


I see what you did there, if you did it.
 
2010-10-14 07:38:16 PM  
I think this is part of a larger Podgram (new window) from Mr. Fry... He goes on for about a half hour discussing other parts of language...

It's Series 2 Episode 3. Definitely worth a listen for the whole monologue...
 
2010-10-14 07:46:40 PM  
Haha, you got teh pwned!
 
2010-10-14 07:52:21 PM  
I think people are being to hard on them. As long as their are Grammar Nazi's among us then there will always be a supply of people ready to sacrifice without any harm to society. Minefeilds, Pagan gods, soylent greens and such.
 
2010-10-14 08:10:57 PM  
I believe the correct term is: "Stop being a pee-dooh."
 
2010-10-14 08:20:29 PM  
From the video description: Also I know that at point the audio does not match the text so you doesnt have to write that.

The farker has to have done that on purpose.
 
2010-10-14 08:24:17 PM  
al you're grammer notsees are belong too us
 
2010-10-14 08:55:02 PM  
lulz, he missed a comma in one of the sentences ...
 
2010-10-14 09:09:59 PM  
I think Steven Fry has long since jumped the shark, about 15 years ago he went awol, suffering from depression, and is bi-polar. He disappeared for a while, in a suicidal state, before this he was quite famous, but only since has he became a "national treasure".

Since his meltdown he has always been much less edgy, he allows none of the maniacal instincts to come through, instead he is a permanent state of positive cynicism, by which I mean he uses his Wildean wit to be cutting about the most unimportant things but never really gets emotionally involved. When confronted with something of real meaning he adopts a phlegmatic and balanced approach which i do not think is his instinct.
By not being critical of the things that matter to him, only those that dont matter, and allowing himself to be indifferent and disinterested in things he does care about, he avoids the self-flagellation he would previously have dished out to himself for his throwaway TV shows, love of mindless internet fads, hosting ceremonies and advertising insurance and lousy wares.
In short he does not judge the world aroun him harshly, so does not judge himself harshly either.

Why do I care? I dont really, it is just a shame he doesn't make good TV any more. QI is ok, just like Top Gear, entertaining, well researched but ultimately meaningless, and its popularity means that risky, edgy television like Blackadder and The Day Today are no longer on television.
 
2010-10-14 09:23:11 PM  
Is that the same guy who did the voice-over for Little Big Planet? I would like to have a book read to me by that man. One heckuva voice.

Also, that animation must've taken a while.
 
2010-10-14 09:32:12 PM  
farkforward: I think Steven Fry has long since jumped the shark, about 15 years ago he went awol, suffering from depression, and is bi-polar. He disappeared for a while, in a suicidal state, before this he was quite famous, but only since has he became a "national treasure".

Since his meltdown he has always been much less edgy, he allows none of the maniacal instincts to come through, instead he is a permanent state of positive cynicism, by which I mean he uses his Wildean wit to be cutting about the most unimportant things but never really gets emotionally involved. When confronted with something of real meaning he adopts a phlegmatic and balanced approach which i do not think is his instinct.
By not being critical of the things that matter to him, only those that dont matter, and allowing himself to be indifferent and disinterested in things he does care about, he avoids the self-flagellation he would previously have dished out to himself for his throwaway TV shows, love of mindless internet fads, hosting ceremonies and advertising insurance and lousy wares.
In short he does not judge the world aroun him harshly, so does not judge himself harshly either.

Why do I care? I dont really, it is just a shame he doesn't make good TV any more. QI is ok, just like Top Gear, entertaining, well researched but ultimately meaningless, and its popularity means that risky, edgy television like Blackadder and The Day Today are no longer on television.


Wow. Although I'm not familiar with his earlier work, I do have to agree that most of the stuff I've seen (new material) targets the easily lampooned.

You must be British. The term "self-flagellation" doesn't come easily to those outside of the weird parts of Catholicism (subscribers of which are not typically found on Fark).

I do wonder if the taming of this particular beast isn't simply a product of age, though. Most truly good, insightful comics hit their peak in their 20s and 30s, when they're both young and hungry. After that, they seem to lose both the ability to question things and the taste for any sort of true controversy.

Sure, people can be funny into 50s, 60s, and even 70s. But either they're doing the whole "look at me, I'm an ironic old person" bit, or they're doing some watered down version of their previous act.
 
2010-10-14 09:37:12 PM  
apeiron242:

Nice troll!
 
2010-10-14 09:40:13 PM  
For those of you who enjoy Stephen Fry, you might to be woken up by him each morning

Also, I utterly agree with the rant he was going into at the end of the clip. I have the letter H in my last name. It seems the Haych affliction is limited to CS reps trying to sound intelligent and they over emphasize the H to prove how 'heducated they h-are'. I am tired of hearing a nasal voice over the phone spelling my last name back to me (for the sake of argument) "eff -Hayche- ay arr kay" The aspirated H is like nails down the chalkboard of my soul.
 
2010-10-14 10:05:45 PM  
Stephen Fry Is always entertaining.. if you get a chance find his miniseries "last chance to see"..
 
2010-10-14 10:10:02 PM  
Trawg: Is that the same guy who did the voice-over for Little Big Planet? I would like to have a book read to me by that man.

I'm pretty sure that the voice in this particular video was that of John Cleese and not Stephen Fry. But I honestly do not know for sure.
 
2010-10-14 10:15:08 PM  
Babwa Wawa: farkforward: I think Steven Fry has long since jumped the shark, about 15 years ago he went awol, suffering from depression, and is bi-polar. He disappeared for a while, in a suicidal state, before this he was quite famous, but only since has he became a "national treasure".

Since his meltdown he has always been much less edgy, he allows none of the maniacal instincts to come through, instead he is a permanent state of positive cynicism, by which I mean he uses his Wildean wit to be cutting about the most unimportant things but never really gets emotionally involved. When confronted with something of real meaning he adopts a phlegmatic and balanced approach which i do not think is his instinct.
By not being critical of the things that matter to him, only those that dont matter, and allowing himself to be indifferent and disinterested in things he does care about, he avoids the self-flagellation he would previously have dished out to himself for his throwaway TV shows, love of mindless internet fads, hosting ceremonies and advertising insurance and lousy wares.
In short he does not judge the world aroun him harshly, so does not judge himself harshly either.

Why do I care? I dont really, it is just a shame he doesn't make good TV any more. QI is ok, just like Top Gear, entertaining, well researched but ultimately meaningless, and its popularity means that risky, edgy television like Blackadder and The Day Today are no longer on television.

Wow. Although I'm not familiar with his earlier work, I do have to agree that most of the stuff I've seen (new material) targets the easily lampooned.

You must be British. The term "self-flagellation" doesn't come easily to those outside of the weird parts of Catholicism (subscribers of which are not typically found on Fark).

I do wonder if the taming of this particular beast isn't simply a product of age, though. Most truly good, insightful comics hit their peak in their 20s and 30s, when they're both young and hungry. After that, they seem to lose both the ability to question things and the taste for any sort of true controversy.

Sure, people can be funny into 50s, 60s, and even 70s. But either they're doing the whole "look at me, I'm an ironic old person" bit, or they're doing some watered down version of their previous act.


He seems to have mellowed at an accelerated rate though, with a self-awareness rather than as a result of what is around him.
Yes I am British! A reason which is why i know quite a lot of Fry's stuff.
The best is Blackadder (he is only in series 2 onwards- series one is not brilliant, still good, but all the rest is awesome). Watch some- it's great!
The other main actors and writers in Blackadder all went downhill afterwards as well. Rowan Atkinson- Mr Bean, The Bean Movies. Richard Curtis- writer 4 Weddings And A Funeral, Notting Hill, Love Actually, many similar. Hugh Laurie- House (though i admit i havent really watched it). Tony Robinson- kids tv and Time Team (a low-rent archeology show) Tim McInnerny- Notting Hill.
 
2010-10-14 10:49:18 PM  
PersistantRash: As long as their our are Grammar Nazi's among us than then their there will always be a supply of people ready too to sacrifice without any harm too to society.

FTFY
 
2010-10-14 11:01:10 PM  
Link (new window)

Second try, a lovely chunk of Blackadder.
 
2010-10-14 11:15:05 PM  
farkforward: Hugh Laurie- House (though i admit i havent really watched it).

Amazing amounts of awesome. I've seen blackadder, but I'd never realized I'd seen one with Hugh Laurie until I googled* it.

Reminds@ me of when I saw the "Death of a Salesman" adaptation with Dustin Hoffman when I was maybe 15. I thought, for all the world, that Hoffman had to be in his 70s. I saw him in Rain Man a few years later and was astounded. Funny that you sometimes don't realize someone's talent until well after they've smothered it.

@OK, so it REMINDED me of that event. It wasn't quite as mindblowing. But still...
* Hey! Look at me verbalizing# a noun!
# Hey! Look at me misusing a word!
 
2010-10-14 11:28:41 PM  
Babwa Wawa: apeiron242: Ebonics for example is white America's latest crime against blacks. Conservatives don't want to spend the money to educate brown people. Liberals want to pat the blacks on their heads and tell them "it's OK, you're victims of your circumstances". Thus blacks will be otherized and pass on generational poverty some more.

It's easily solvable. Stop treating blacks as inferiors, stop pretending they can't learn to speak English. Teach them subject verb agreement like we do with the white kids. It will be one less form of segregation.

Lipo: You should watch the video. I'm pretty sure he was talking about you.

MojoFraggle: Yes, the video was directly addressing you.

So no, if you watched to the end, Mr. Fry did make the point that one needs to be able to use proper English in the right circumstances. Like clothes - just like you put on a tie for an interview, you dress up your language during an interview, or perhaps in an academic setting.

It's all about context, you twits.

It's fine if you use colloquial language conversationally in the right context (maybe on the Intarwebs). But apeiron242's point is well taken. There is a (hopefully diminishing) underclass that is not able to alter their language in different contexts, and excusing that is unacceptable because it dooms those people to never rise (socioeconomically).

It's not just minorities in the US, either. You can see this everywhere on Earth. Those who cannot speak the language of business where they live are stuck with business that doesn't require language.

For instance, ya like dags?


www.wirelessweek.com

Hahahahahaha! Thz guis r rofling @ u!
 
2010-10-14 11:31:32 PM  
Babwa Wawa: farkforward: Hugh Laurie- House (though i admit i havent really watched it).

Amazing amounts of awesome. I've seen blackadder, but I'd never realized I'd seen one with Hugh Laurie until I googled* it.

He's in most episodes from series 2 to 4, main character in series 3 and 4. Brilliant actor. All Blackadder is a must-see, superbly written with great historical references.
 
2010-10-15 03:11:59 AM  
Rubbish.

Chaucer or Shakespeare will be unintelligible in 100 years if we all thought as Mr. Fry does.
 
2010-10-15 04:29:05 AM  
HighZoolander: /am stealing "grammars nazi"

Is that like "attorneys general"?
 
2010-10-15 04:38:06 AM  
tagjim: Rubbish.

Chaucer or Shakespeare will be unintelligible in 100 years if we all thought as Mr. Fry does.


lol'd.
 
2010-10-15 05:16:24 AM  
I agree for the most part, but I can't help but point out that the "ending sentences with prepositions" and "splitting infinitives" things were never actual no-noes in English, just a bunch of 19th-century religious nuts forcing additional rules into academia in an attempt to make English more like Latin. Even real grammarians haven't taken those "rules" seriously in decades, so any grammar nazi who tries to "correct" these types of usage simply doesn't even know what they're talking about. And you can correct them on that.
 
2010-10-15 08:12:34 AM  
Absolutely toast. Nothing could be further from the handbag.

/Nothing's obscure on Fark?
//We'll see about THAT!
 
2010-10-15 09:11:16 AM  
Here's Stephen Fry, being a grammar Nazi (pops)...
 
2010-10-15 10:52:04 AM  
AdolfOliverPanties: Hold the newsreader's noise squarely, waiter, or friendly milk will countermand my trousers.

Love that sketch. (new window)
 
2010-10-15 02:03:43 PM  
apeiron242

Code switching happens. It's based on appropriateness, not correctness. As time around a certain idiom increases, the likelihood of maintaining one's "own" code diminishes (for most people (most of the time.))

Also it is obvious you despise all black people.
 
2010-10-15 10:38:23 PM  
Babwa Wawa: For instance, ya like dags dogs ?

FTFY

/How do you tell the pronunciation Nazis? They wear adhesive labels with an upside down letter e on them.
//That's right, schwa-stickers
 
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