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2010-10-11 04:06:04 PM
Religion is hilarious.
 
2010-10-11 04:38:10 PM
So basically they didn't bless honeytrap sex for married female spies. They blessed honeytrap sex for single female spies technically.

//oh, and it's HONEYPOT. not honeytrap.
//everything I need to know, I learned from watching Archer..
 
2010-10-11 04:51:38 PM
Guess that means sloppy seconds are Kosher.
As long as there's no cheese that is.
 
2010-10-11 04:58:45 PM
Isn't it supposed to be "honeypot"?
 
2010-10-11 04:59:50 PM
/DNRTFA...can you tell?
 
2010-10-11 05:21:02 PM
honeytraps

i.imgur.com

/obscure?
 
2010-10-11 05:39:59 PM
I am not a Rabbi, nor am I a decider in Halacha, nor am I well versed on this subject, the following is my own opinion based on what I've learned in the past, and I have not discussed this with a Rabbi competent in this field.

From what I understand, this is only acceptable in very very rare circumstances, where the issue of saving lives comes into play, mostly saving lives of the Jewish nation altogether.

For example, the case of Esther from the Purim story, where she had to do what she did in order to save the whole Jewish people.

So possibly in a case where this could lead to vital information in order to, say, destroy the Iranian nuclear program, I could see how it could be given a rabbinic authorization since the goal is to save the nation from an existential threat, while it would not be allowed in order to acquire say political information. There are also a few examples of women being allowed to do this with german SS officers during WWII.

However, this is still on very shaky ground, and I would need a reputable Jewish court giving its opinion on it whether I accepted this particular ruling.

This one Rabbi, I believe, published this as an academic article and did not give this as an official ruling for the Mossad.
 
2010-10-11 05:47:24 PM
Tatsuma: I am not a Rabbi, nor am I a decider in Halacha, nor am I well versed on this subject, the following is my own opinion based on what I've learned in the past, and I have not discussed this with a Rabbi competent in this field.

Oh FFS Tats, like anyone would actually take you as an authority on anything except for how to make a shiat-load of pro-Hebrew posting on fark.
 
2010-10-11 06:03:48 PM
Oh, also I forgot to mention, there are three situations in Jewish Law where you have to let yourself be killed if it's the only alternative to saving your life:

- Worshiping idols
- Committing murder
- Immoral sexual relations

So them having to divorce their husbands first is because they would then be committing adultery.
 
2010-10-11 06:07:59 PM
Oh, and rape, since done without one's consent and the person being raped is passive, is not considered the same as a willful relation and thus does not fall under the aforementioned category.
 
2010-10-11 06:19:47 PM
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2010-10-11 06:48:47 PM
PainInTheASP: Isn't it supposed to be "honeypot"?

As long as it's not...

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2010-10-11 06:49:36 PM
Jewish snowball.
 
2010-10-11 06:53:28 PM
Also, you can't use fire/electricity/cars on the Sabbath because God forbids it.
But you can hire a non Jew to walk in front of you and push all the buttons, do all the driving, etc and that's A OK.

Because it's ok to put one over on God. Just, you know, make up some new excuse to get around whatever it is in those pesky laws and commandments and things.

Organized religion is a farce designed to keep a bunch of lazy people from ever having to work for a living. I'm glad it helps people who otherwise can't handle life get through the hard times, but you basically live part of your life in a fantasy world where you're under the thumb of whoever talks for "God".
 
2010-10-11 06:53:34 PM
FSM does not consider this al dente.
 
2010-10-11 06:57:23 PM
What might an Israeli honeypot look like?
 
2010-10-11 06:57:57 PM
Big Dave: Also, you can't use fire/electricity/cars on the Sabbath because God forbids it.
But you can hire a non Jew to walk in front of you and push all the buttons, do all the driving, etc and that's A OK.

Because it's ok to put one over on God. Just, you know, make up some new excuse to get around whatever it is in those pesky laws and commandments and things.

Organized religion is a farce designed to keep a bunch of lazy people from ever having to work for a living. I'm glad it helps people who otherwise can't handle life get through the hard times, but you basically live part of your life in a fantasy world where you're under the thumb of whoever talks for "God".


Heaven forbid a religion hold non-believers to a different standard, as opposed to your average Christian sect, which generally believes non-believers all go to hell no matter what?

And yes, that opens the door for loopholes. But is it hard to imagine that an omnipotent G-d can see the difference between a law broken in earnest, and a law followed in an unethical fashion?

/Secular Jew
 
2010-10-11 06:58:18 PM

Hmm, Jewish Honeypots.


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2010-10-11 06:58:27 PM
Big Dave: Also, you can't use fire/electricity/cars on the Sabbath because God forbids it.
But you can hire a non Jew to walk in front of you and push all the buttons, do all the driving, etc and that's A OK.


That's not how it works, the laws are very complex and you can't actually ask him directly to do any of this stuff.

Big Dave: Organized religion is a farce designed to keep a bunch of lazy people from ever having to work for a living

Yes indeed, if there's one thing we Jews are known for, it's for never working and not being able to make a decent living.
 
2010-10-11 07:00:38 PM
Big Dave: Also, you can't use fire/electricity/cars on the Sabbath because God forbids it.
But you can hire a non Jew to walk in front of you and push all the buttons, do all the driving, etc and that's A OK.

Because it's ok to put one over on God. Just, you know, make up some new excuse to get around whatever it is in those pesky laws and commandments and things.


I love those. Buddhists that won't kill a fly, but have no trouble eating meat if someone else killed the animal is probably the best I've had the occasion to be dumbfounded by.
 
2010-10-11 07:00:43 PM
The 'Brew: And yes, that opens the door for loopholes.

I wouldn't say it's a loophole.

For example, some people would say that eating kosher tofu that is flavored to taste 100% like real ham, with the same texture, would be a loophole.

Well, if you're not eating ham, you're not eating ham. Might taste like it, might look like it, but it's still not it.
 
2010-10-11 07:00:57 PM
Heh, damn, Jews are good at rules-lawyering.
 
2010-10-11 07:02:40 PM

Of course, the prettiest Israeli Honeypot in the movies:


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2010-10-11 07:10:39 PM
What a strange coincidence, I've got all the nuclear secrets right here! If only a beautiful woman with the slightest hint of a foreign accent were here to share them with...
 
2010-10-11 07:11:53 PM
rcain: Tatsuma: I am not a Rabbi, nor am I a decider in Halacha, nor am I well versed on this subject, the following is my own opinion based on what I've learned in the past, and I have not discussed this with a Rabbi competent in this field.

Oh FFS Tats, like anyone would actually take you as an authority on anything except for how to make a shiat-load of pro-Hebrew posting on fark.


Unlike the thinly-veiled anti-semitic remarks by the Leftists here.

All I need to know about Fark's groupthink as a whole is summed up in the Hungarian pollution thread currently on page one. It's all in the comments.
 
2010-10-11 07:14:46 PM
Came for picture of hot Israeli female soldiers... left.... disappointed (so far... make it happen!)
 
2010-10-11 07:18:04 PM
Tatsuma: The 'Brew: And yes, that opens the door for loopholes.

I wouldn't say it's a loophole.

For example, some people would say that eating kosher tofu that is flavored to taste 100% like real ham, with the same texture, would be a loophole.

Well, if you're not eating ham, you're not eating ham. Might taste like it, might look like it, but it's still not it.


The difference being the intent of the law. We avoid eating pig because it is unclean or impure. Since you are not partaking of the flesh of the animal, you are not ingesting anything considered impure. The law is not against the taste of pig, but the flesh.

The Sabbath laws are designed to give the individual rest so that they may focus on the spiritual and familial aspects of their life. Which is why I'd argue there's nothing wrong with leaving the lights on for the entirety of Shabbat, but attempting to do all one's usual work, with someone else doing the explicitly forbidden actions, is a "loophole".
 
2010-10-11 07:21:09 PM
The 'Brew: Which is why I'd argue there's nothing wrong with leaving the lights on for the entirety of Shabbat, but attempting to do all one's usual work, with someone else doing the explicitly forbidden actions, is a "loophole".

If you are not doing it, and someone else is doing it without you directly asking that person to do it, that's not a loophole.

If I am in my apartment on Shabbos and a non-Jew is there and I say 'It's cold, isn't it?' and he decides to turn on the thermostat, that's not a loophole and that's not breaking any law.

Asking him to turn it, or doing it myself, however, is flat-out breaking it.

Do you consider shabbos lamps to be loopholes?
 
2010-10-11 07:22:20 PM
Tatsuma: The 'Brew: And yes, that opens the door for loopholes.

I wouldn't say it's a loophole.

For example, some people would say that eating kosher tofu that is flavored to taste 100% like real ham, with the same texture, would be a loophole.

Well, if you're not eating ham, you're not eating ham. Might taste like it, might look like it, but it's still not it.


But ... where do they get the pork flavor from?
 
2010-10-11 07:23:53 PM
AllUpInYa: But ... where do they get the pork flavor from?

Sweet sweet sweet chemicals.
 
2010-10-11 07:25:23 PM
The 'Brew: Tatsuma: The 'Brew: And yes, that opens the door for loopholes.

I wouldn't say it's a loophole.

For example, some people would say that eating kosher tofu that is flavored to taste 100% like real ham, with the same texture, would be a loophole.

Well, if you're not eating ham, you're not eating ham. Might taste like it, might look like it, but it's still not it.

The difference being the intent of the law. We avoid eating pig because it is unclean or impure. Since you are not partaking of the flesh of the animal, you are not ingesting anything considered impure. The law is not against the taste of pig, but the flesh.

The Sabbath laws are designed to give the individual rest so that they may focus on the spiritual and familial aspects of their life. Which is why I'd argue there's nothing wrong with leaving the lights on for the entirety of Shabbat, but attempting to do all one's usual work, with someone else doing the explicitly forbidden actions, is a "loophole".


pigs are no longer unclean, the hygiene laws in america have fixed the whole food borne illness reason that law was invented.
 
2010-10-11 07:27:01 PM
Tatsuma: The 'Brew: Which is why I'd argue there's nothing wrong with leaving the lights on for the entirety of Shabbat, but attempting to do all one's usual work, with someone else doing the explicitly forbidden actions, is a "loophole".

If you are not doing it, and someone else is doing it without you directly asking that person to do it, that's not a loophole.

If I am in my apartment on Shabbos and a non-Jew is there and I say 'It's cold, isn't it?' and he decides to turn on the thermostat, that's not a loophole and that's not breaking any law.

Asking him to turn it, or doing it myself, however, is flat-out breaking it.

Do you consider shabbos lamps to be loopholes?


A shabbos lamp does not create the spark/fire/etc that is forbidden, and in fact facilitates relaxation, so I would say it's fine.

The difference here is, if your buddy looks at you and says "hey, it's cold in here, I'm going to change the thermostat", that's one thing. To look at him and say "it's cold in here, isn't it? wink wink nudge nudge" is attempting to get him to do something you can't, and in a direct-yet-indirect way. Of course, IANA Rabbinical Scholar or anything, but it just doesn't seem kosher to me.

/pun intended
//always own up to your puns
 
2010-10-11 07:30:17 PM
Girion47: pigs are no longer unclean, the hygiene laws in america have fixed the whole food borne illness reason that law was invented.

Eh, depends on your point of view. The strict Hebrew says pigs are unclean, but that can be left up to interpretation.

Which is where Reform Judaism (and to a lesser extent, Conservative Judaism) comes in. Most Reform Jews (such as myself) agree with that logic, and thus consume pork. Others believe there are other interpretations for "unclean". What they are, I'm not myself quite sure of, so I cannot speak for them. Hell, there are some sects that don't believe in "interpreting" the Torah at all. So your answers will vary from person to person.
 
2010-10-11 07:31:34 PM
Girion47: pigs are no longer unclean, the hygiene laws in america have fixed the whole food borne illness reason that law was invented.

They are spiritually unclean, not physically unclean.

The 'Brew: The difference here is, if your buddy looks at you and says "hey, it's cold in here, I'm going to change the thermostat", that's one thing. To look at him and say "it's cold in here, isn't it? wink wink nudge nudge" is attempting to get him to do something you can't, and in a direct-yet-indirect way. Of course, IANA Rabbinical Scholar or anything, but it just doesn't seem kosher to me.

Well, it's just a question of degrees. Whether you say it with a wink or not, you can't ask them straight out. You can measure statements, but you can't measure the winkiness of statements.
 
2010-10-11 07:33:04 PM
The 'Brew: Which is where Reform Judaism (and to a lesser extent, Conservative Judaism) comes in. Most Reform Jews (such as myself) agree with that logic, and thus consume pork

Except that this logic does not make any sense, as the pigs were never physically more unclean than any other animals, nor ever considered as such, and all these laws of purity have to do with spiritual and not physical purity.

Even purity/impurity are not really the right words but we can't exactly be writing in Hebrew right now
 
2010-10-11 07:34:14 PM
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/Approves
 
2010-10-11 07:34:18 PM
Tatsuma: Girion47: pigs are no longer unclean, the hygiene laws in america have fixed the whole food borne illness reason that law was invented.

They are spiritually unclean, not physically unclean.

The 'Brew: The difference here is, if your buddy looks at you and says "hey, it's cold in here, I'm going to change the thermostat", that's one thing. To look at him and say "it's cold in here, isn't it? wink wink nudge nudge" is attempting to get him to do something you can't, and in a direct-yet-indirect way. Of course, IANA Rabbinical Scholar or anything, but it just doesn't seem kosher to me.

Well, it's just a question of degrees. Whether you say it with a wink or not, you can't ask them straight out. You can measure statements, but you can't measure the winkiness of statements.


how are pigs spiritually unclean? They're animals. I have trouble believing a pig is an evil sinning being with nothing but hatred in its heart.
 
2010-10-11 07:35:45 PM
Girion47: how are pigs spiritually unclean? They're animals. I have trouble believing a pig is an evil sinning being with nothing but hatred in its heart.

They are spiritually unclean to eat for Jews.

They are not considered evil and non-Jews can eat them. Jews are held to different standard because we have to be a nation of priests while non-Jews do not.

Purity/Impurity has nothing to do with evil
 
2010-10-11 07:37:05 PM
Tatsuma: If I am in my apartment on Shabbos and a non-Jew is there and I say 'It's cold, isn't it?' and he decides to turn on the thermostat, that's not a loophole and that's not breaking any law.

With such an obvious hint, you might as well be asking him.
 
2010-10-11 07:37:15 PM
Oh, and there is also a Midrash that says that, after Moshiach comes, the pig will become kosher and it will be permitted for Jews to eat it.

Midrashim are often allegories, however, and not always meant to be taken literally. I don't know the general interpretation of this one.
 
2010-10-11 07:39:15 PM
skinink: Hmm, Jewish Honeypots.

Hmmmmm.....Honeypots "made" under strict rabbinical supervision. Parve....kosher for Passover.
 
2010-10-11 07:39:20 PM
Tatsuma: Girion47: how are pigs spiritually unclean? They're animals. I have trouble believing a pig is an evil sinning being with nothing but hatred in its heart.

They are spiritually unclean to eat for Jews.

They are not considered evil and non-Jews can eat them. Jews are held to different standard because we have to be a nation of priests while non-Jews do not.

Purity/Impurity has nothing to do with evil


I'd be willing to bet it was a hastily disguised way to keep people from being exposed to porcine illnesses from undercooked pork, even though the leaders at the time wouldn't have understood why these illnesses were actually occuring. Otherwise, we'd have "unclean until cooked at 165 degrees for X minutes.."
 
2010-10-11 07:40:01 PM
but why are they spiritually unclean? This is as baffling to me as an all-forgiving "God" sending anyone to hell for eternity.

or Thetans

or samsara

/etc....
 
2010-10-11 07:41:39 PM
Somaticasual: I'd be willing to bet it was a hastily disguised way to keep people from being exposed to porcine illnesses from undercooked pork, even though the leaders at the time wouldn't have understood why these illnesses were actually occuring. Otherwise, we'd have "unclean until cooked at 165 degrees for X minutes.."

... These people were in the desert.

Other types of kosher meat, under the same situation as pork, would go just a bad and would end up making the person eating them just as sick.

Not only that, but there are PLENTY of non-kosher animals that are not just pigs.

The obsession people have to associate non-kosher with pigs mostly comes from the Muslims and haram, for us it's just an animal like many others.

I don't know why people keep bringing that one up.

What's the difference between not being able to eat pork and not being able to eat lion meat? Or dog meat?
 
2010-10-11 07:42:44 PM
Tatsuma: Somaticasual: I'd be willing to bet it was a hastily disguised way to keep people from being exposed to porcine illnesses from undercooked pork, even though the leaders at the time wouldn't have understood why these illnesses were actually occuring. Otherwise, we'd have "unclean until cooked at 165 degrees for X minutes.."

... These people were in the desert.

Other types of kosher meat, under the same situation as pork, would go just a bad and would end up making the person eating them just as sick.

Not only that, but there are PLENTY of non-kosher animals that are not just pigs.

The obsession people have to associate non-kosher with pigs mostly comes from the Muslims and haram, for us it's just an animal like many others.

I don't know why people keep bringing that one up.

What's the difference between not being able to eat pork and not being able to eat lion meat? Or dog meat?


lions and dogs do not produce bacon.
 
2010-10-11 07:42:47 PM
Girion47: but why are they spiritually unclean?

There are probably answers to that, but I am not enough well versed in Kabbalah to answer this (nor would I if I was)

Girion47: This is as baffling to me as an all-forgiving "God" sending anyone to hell for eternity.

Wrong religion dude.
 
2010-10-11 07:43:23 PM
Girion47: lions and dogs do not produce bacon.

False, just ask the vietnamese.
 
2010-10-11 07:44:49 PM
Tatsuma: Girion47: but why are they spiritually unclean?

There are probably answers to that, but I am not enough well versed in Kabbalah to answer this (nor would I if I was)

Girion47: This is as baffling to me as an all-forgiving "God" sending anyone to hell for eternity.

Wrong religion dude.


I was trying to point out that faith in any religion baffles me.
 
2010-10-11 07:47:24 PM
Why follow a religion that you are not well versed enough in to understand the most basic precepts? Especially if said religion limits your dietary options and other fundamental aspects of life?

Catholicism earned its disregard for perpetuating a system in which clergy were required to translate and disperse the word of God, aren't you doing the same thing here? Saying that its up to other Men to determine God's laws?

How can you consider yourselves a nation of priests if you don't have basic spiritual answers?
 
2010-10-11 07:49:49 PM
Tatsuma: What's the difference between not being able to eat pork and not being able to eat lion meat? Or dog meat?

Lions and dogs fight back more?

//in fairness, pigs can be pretty vicious. They're not always the peaceful mud-wallowers most portrayals show..
 
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