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2010-10-10 12:33:44 AM  
First 2 minutes are a Jeremiah Johnson ripoff. So much for new ideas.
 
2010-10-10 04:39:32 AM  
Heh... After seeing pornomation, I can predict that a new golden age of "If you can imagine it, we can make it" pron is about to dawn.
 
2010-10-10 06:24:57 AM  
loot-ninja.com

It's been done about as well as can be expected.
 
2010-10-10 10:02:24 AM  
AVATAR was rendered using a combo of Open Source software and proprietary software on Linux blade servers (running Ubuntu Linux).

welcome to the Future, welcome to Open Source Software.



you were saying something, windows fanboys??
 
2010-10-10 10:03:15 AM  

mediablitz: First 2 minutes are a Jeremiah Johnson ripoff. So much for new ideas.


Indeed.
 
2010-10-10 10:04:57 AM  
bwahaha open source

wrap it up blendailures
 
2010-10-10 10:05:28 AM  
I liked it
 
2010-10-10 10:07:59 AM  
People seem to be missing the point. No one gives a shiat about it being a ripoff. This was produced with FREE software accessible to everyone. Not just big production houses and movie studios.
 
2010-10-10 10:08:03 AM  
Hmmm. I think the plot could do well as a metaphor for buck-the-system do-gooders such as PETA. "You don't know what you're messing with."

Body movement animation is a good 10-15 years behind.

I've run out of things to comment on.
 
2010-10-10 10:17:13 AM  

Linux_Yes: AVATAR was rendered using a combo of Open Source software and proprietary software on Linux blade servers (running Ubuntu Linux).

welcome to the Future, welcome to Open Source Software.


you were saying something, windows fanboys??


*reads thread*

*reads thread again*

err.... no?
 
2010-10-10 10:18:13 AM  

lostinspace1978: People seem to be missing the point. No one gives a shiat about it being a ripoff. This was produced with FREE software accessible to everyone. Not just big production houses and movie studios.


It's nice to see an independent project come to completion. The Internet Movie project started around 6-8 years ago (web site seems to be down-ish, the project too?). I don't recall seeing it ever complete a movie project. Nothing wrong with their tech, just didn't seem to have the right kind of coordination and talent to see something through. Guess the Blender Foundation attracted the right kind of talent and *funding* to pull it off.

Linux_Yes's communist buddies would have been too busy circle-jerking against The Man to render a single frame, no matter how cool the software tools the people with intelligence and talent gave them.
 
2010-10-10 10:20:49 AM  
Holy shiat.
 
2010-10-10 10:21:53 AM  
I greatly enjoyed that.
 
2010-10-10 10:32:56 AM  

robomonkster: Linux_Yes: AVATAR was rendered using a combo of Open Source software and proprietary software on Linux blade servers (running Ubuntu Linux).

welcome to the Future, welcome to Open Source Software.


you were saying something, windows fanboys??

*reads thread*

*reads thread again*

err.... no?


There are posts in this thread that only he can see, I'm sure. The servers talk to him.
 
2010-10-10 10:39:04 AM  

Doggie McNugget: robomonkster: Linux_Yes: AVATAR was rendered using a combo of Open Source software and proprietary software on Linux blade servers (running Ubuntu Linux).

welcome to the Future, welcome to Open Source Software.


you were saying something, windows fanboys??

*reads thread*

*reads thread again*

err.... no?

There are posts in this thread that only he can see, I'm sure. The servers talk to him.


I've had him on ignore for awhile but that was one of the reasons. It's like he's always in mid-conversation with someone the rest of us can't see. Apparently he's still doing that. I foresee his golden years being spent shouting at people on a busy street corner.
 
2010-10-10 10:48:35 AM  

feanturi: Doggie McNugget: robomonkster: Linux_Yes: AVATAR was rendered using a combo of Open Source software and proprietary software on Linux blade servers (running Ubuntu Linux).

welcome to the Future, welcome to Open Source Software.


you were saying something, windows fanboys??

*reads thread*

*reads thread again*

err.... no?

There are posts in this thread that only he can see, I'm sure. The servers talk to him.

I've had him on ignore for awhile but that was one of the reasons. It's like he's always in mid-conversation with someone the rest of us can't see. Apparently he's still doing that. I foresee his golden years being spent shouting at people on a busy street corner.


Our annoyance will be reduced if we can hook him up with czarangelus. They'd be too busy with cocks in lip-lock to grace us with their sans-neural defecation.
 
2010-10-10 10:52:30 AM  

robomonkster: Linux_Yes: AVATAR was rendered using a combo of Open Source software and proprietary software on Linux blade servers (running Ubuntu Linux).

welcome to the Future, welcome to Open Source Software.


you were saying something, windows fanboys??

*reads thread*

*reads thread again*

err.... no?


Especially considering that movies like this are usually made on Macs.
 
2010-10-10 11:28:40 AM  

Linux_Yes: you were saying something, windows fanboys??


Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thing.
 
2010-10-10 11:53:55 AM  

Honest Bender: Linux_Yes: you were saying something, windows fanboys??

Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thing.


Be obtained, installed, and run legally for free?
 
2010-10-10 11:55:46 AM  

Honest Bender: Linux_Yes: you were saying something, windows fanboys??

Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thing.


Customize keyboard shortcuts (always been a gripe of mine...).

Fanboy Reauchambeau aside, I'm happy to see Blender getting some press. I've been an open-source fan for years. If all the commercial software zealots wanna ride the money treadmill, let em' knock themselves out. I've been doing everything (and more) that I could do in windows in linux now for over 2 years. I like it. Some won't like it, or don't have the time or inclination to learn what's going on in their PC/OS.

Then you have those that simply feel the need to think themselves superior because of their OS choice. Those are the ones you can safely ignore.
 
2010-10-10 12:03:45 PM  

chupathingie: Customize keyboard shortcuts


Right click shortcut
Properties
Shortcut tab
Shortcut key field

Been able to do that since at least XP.

I've been doing everything (and more) that I could do in windows in linux now for over 2 years.


I'm a big proponent of linux. I use it and love it myself. The only thing linux can't do for me is play modern games well. Games are the leash Microsoft uses to keep me on their OS. But I've yet to find a single thing that can't be done on both.
 
2010-10-10 12:04:18 PM  

chupathingie: Honest Bender: Linux_Yes: you were saying something, windows fanboys??

Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thing.

Customize keyboard shortcuts (always been a gripe of mine...)


That would drive me insane if Windows could do that for basic functions. I use keyboard shortcuts all day. The thing is that I am frequently not at my own computer when doing so. If everyone in my org had their own shortcuts, and I have to work on their computers, I would be unable to use shortcuts at all.

Or do you mean making entirely new ones? Because there is plenty of macro software available for Windows.
 
2010-10-10 12:38:13 PM  

Honest Bender: Linux_Yes: you were saying something, windows fanboys??

Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thing.


Be the brains for anything from a network camera in a 2x3 inch box to a node in a supercomputing cluster?

/thinking outside the desktop box
 
2010-10-10 12:47:41 PM  

feanturi: chupathingie: Honest Bender: Linux_Yes: you were saying something, windows fanboys??

Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thing.

Customize keyboard shortcuts (always been a gripe of mine...)

That would drive me insane if Windows could do that for basic functions. I use keyboard shortcuts all day. The thing is that I am frequently not at my own computer when doing so. If everyone in my org had their own shortcuts, and I have to work on their computers, I would be unable to use shortcuts at all.

Or do you mean making entirely new ones? Because there is plenty of macro software available for Windows.


Both new ones and altering existing ones. "Macro software available for windows" doesn't really cut it, since any OS can be made to do what any other OS does by adding software (which I think is the point that OS zealots miss). For me, the difference is price and encumberance.

Free apps? I'm good with that, as long as they do what I need (and they do). DRM or any 3rd party restriction on me modding files on my own computer? I don't think so.

I wound up on ubuntu because it was really the easiest of the flavors for me. It had all of the brainless point-and-click that I was used to in windows, plus "add/remove programs" actually has options to ADD software... imagine that.

With a couple of exceptions, a rebuild for me entails loading the OS, then browsing a checklist of the apps I use (blender, qtpfsgui, gimp, ufraw, ffmpeg, etc) and mashing "install". That's it. They're all ready to run as soon as apt-get finishes it's routines on the selected packages. No CD keys, no phone-in authorizations, and no patches (the latest package is automatically downloaded and installed). It has advantages.

/I do miss me some Dungeon Siege tho....
 
2010-10-10 01:15:56 PM  

chupathingie: feanturi: chupathingie: Honest Bender: Linux_Yes: you were saying something, windows fanboys??

Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thing.

Customize keyboard shortcuts (always been a gripe of mine...)

That would drive me insane if Windows could do that for basic functions. I use keyboard shortcuts all day. The thing is that I am frequently not at my own computer when doing so. If everyone in my org had their own shortcuts, and I have to work on their computers, I would be unable to use shortcuts at all.

Or do you mean making entirely new ones? Because there is plenty of macro software available for Windows.

Both new ones and altering existing ones. "Macro software available for windows" doesn't really cut it, since any OS can be made to do what any other OS does by adding software (which I think is the point that OS zealots miss). For me, the difference is price and encumberance.

Free apps? I'm good with that, as long as they do what I need (and they do). DRM or any 3rd party restriction on me modding files on my own computer? I don't think so.

I wound up on ubuntu because it was really the easiest of the flavors for me. It had all of the brainless point-and-click that I was used to in windows, plus "add/remove programs" actually has options to ADD software... imagine that.

With a couple of exceptions, a rebuild for me entails loading the OS, then browsing a checklist of the apps I use (blender, qtpfsgui, gimp, ufraw, ffmpeg, etc) and mashing "install". That's it. They're all ready to run as soon as apt-get finishes it's routines on the selected packages. No CD keys, no phone-in authorizations, and no patches (the latest package is automatically downloaded and installed). It has advantages.

/I do miss me some Dungeon Siege tho....


Any OS can run any software that is written for it, I don't really get your point. You either bloat the OS with it, or let it be third party. Who cares as long as it's available if needed. There are tons of free apps available for Windows as well. And as usual, you get what you pay for. But I don't understand why "no money" software is always considered such a noble feature of Linux. As though programmers are all nothing but hobbyists working for our pleasure. Being a cheap bastard doesn't really give you an edge in the "which computer is better" argument.

My OS reinstalls go very well, but I keep all of my packages on a separate harddrive so a rebuild is pretty easy. And there's always Ghost. These arguments are always so dumb. Just use your damn computer your way, we don't really need to hear about it. It's like talking about your WoW toon at a bar or something.
 
2010-10-10 01:17:18 PM  
Brilliant! The video had me fooled right up until the climax. I was afraid it was another Disney-style PC disaster. Only an independent production can redefine liberty for us now, because the powers that be will have nothing to do with it.
 
2010-10-10 01:32:02 PM  
Brilliant! Thanks
 
2010-10-10 01:46:24 PM  

feanturi: I don't really get your point.


That about sums things up. It's not about "no money", and "free" is not defined the way you seem to think. Open source is a big calling card for linux because the OS itself is open. It's an environment that fosters an attitude of modification to suit needs that is not present in the proprietary world.

Being a cheap bastard doesn't really give you an edge in the "which computer is better" argument.

Now you're just being defensive. I'm not part of that argument, nor do I want to be. But since you brought up the "cheap bastard" argument, pull your head out long enough to realize that most research institutions are using custom-coded software and that a great deal of that software is open source. You get what you pay for? That's funny. Learn how to use the real stuff or keep playing with overpriced toys.
 
2010-10-10 02:18:58 PM  
Linux_Yes:

AVATAR was rendered using a combo of Open Source software and proprietary software on Linux blade servers (running Ubuntu Linux).

welcome to the Future, welcome to Open Source Software.


you were saying something, windows fanboys??


Funny that... I do Blender modeling on a Windows box before sending it over to a mix of Linux and Windows servers for rendering.

Did you have a point, Linux fanboy?

/ fanbois are so weird.
 
2010-10-10 02:40:49 PM  
that was very cool, you can imagine a situation where you eventually have all these characters rendered doing different stuff on blank backgrounds that someone with less knowledge can then use to put together on other open source landscapes then you edit with sound and whatever kind of plot you can come up with.
 
2010-10-10 02:55:25 PM  
Quite good, though the animation was a little stiff sometimes the textures seemed to blur. I guess that could have been due to Youtube compression, though.
 
2010-10-10 03:34:35 PM  

Honest Bender: Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thin


Out of the box, it comes with a usable shell in pretty much every distribution. Yeah, I can install Cygwin in Windows, but why install extra software on top of Windows? If it doesn't come with grep, it isn't an OS, it's a gaming platform.
 
2010-10-10 03:50:48 PM  
Jesus *YAWN*
 
2010-10-10 04:45:05 PM  

chupathingie: feanturi: I don't really get your point.

That about sums things up. It's not about "no money", and "free" is not defined the way you seem to think. Open source is a big calling card for linux because the OS itself is open. It's an environment that fosters an attitude of modification to suit needs that is not present in the proprietary world.

Being a cheap bastard doesn't really give you an edge in the "which computer is better" argument.

Now you're just being defensive. I'm not part of that argument, nor do I want to be. But since you brought up the "cheap bastard" argument, pull your head out long enough to realize that most research institutions are using custom-coded software and that a great deal of that software is open source. You get what you pay for? That's funny. Learn how to use the real stuff or keep playing with overpriced toys.


You're the one that brought up money, and are being defensive about it. See, this is the problem with these arguments. You can't decide what you're trying to push. Use what works for you, and stop evangelizing to everybody else, and we won't care. Farking zealots.
 
2010-10-10 05:03:40 PM  
Anyways, great short. They have a 2048x872 version up, if you can support the rez.

Nice to see a team shining some light on what Blender can do. I'm still trying to come to grips with the GUI and their "theory" as it were. I used 3DSMAX for almost 10 years...spent far too much $$ on software just to hobby out animations and stills for my own enjoyment and the occasional game mod... Doom3 was the last toying I had with that... kinda dates things...tho we did strip it to the game engine and used all original content and turned it into an RPG of sorts... drove our coding guy nuts (char. class, store, EP, levelling up, etc.).

Anyone with an interest in learning graphics who want to try Blender, keep a couple things in mind:

1) It ain't easy. None of them are, though. There's no "Make Cool" button in any of the menus, and I've looked everyfreekinwhere. 3D modelling, texturing, lighting and animation are complicated. Nobody sits down and creates a masterpiece while remarking about how easy it is.

2) On the plus side, it's a free 3D animation package that knows reflection, refraction, caustics, translucent materials, global illumination, physics, bones and definable channel depths for post-processing. It also has a logic engine that allows you to put together video games (yes, they are playable from the menu within Blender) that can even be exported as executables. Not a bad deal for us Cheap Bastards.
 
2010-10-10 05:31:57 PM  

RatOmeter: Linux



ironic.

its you and your crony capitalist buddies who are sending american jobs to communist china (source:CIA) for cheap/slave labor.

after all, american stockholders aren't making enough money.

meanwhile, communist cuba has a trade embargo against it.

i guess because america doesn't do business with communist nation's, right republican??


have you thought up a good lie yet??
 
2010-10-10 05:36:41 PM  

feanturi: You're the one that brought up money, and are being defensive about it. See, this is the problem with these arguments. You can't decide what you're trying to push. Use what works for you, and stop evangelizing to everybody else, and we won't care. Farking zealots.


I said it was free. I said it was open-source. And I'm not pushing anything, dumbass. Blender is cross-platform, you farking dolt. Taking advantage of a free alternative makes me a cheap bastard in your eyes? Apparently the $Ks of bucks I blow on my hobbies are imaginary. As imaginary as what you call evangelizing.

You like Windows? Then use it. You like paying for stuff that's freely available? You go right on ahead. Maybe you use a Mac? Feel free. I don't give a shiat.

Get back to us after the ceremony for whatever award you're shooting for here, skippy.
 
2010-10-10 05:40:05 PM  

t3knomanser: Honest Bender: Name one thing Linux can do that Windows can't. One thin

Out of the box, it comes with a usable shell in pretty much every distribution. Yeah, I can install Cygwin in Windows, but why install extra software on top of Windows? If it doesn't come with grep, it isn't an OS, it's a gaming platform.



grep should be everyone's personal Jesus.
 
2010-10-10 05:52:31 PM  
That was depressing.
 
2010-10-10 07:01:17 PM  

Honest Bender: It's been done about as well as can be expected.


Got a serious soft spot for the cockbite guys... as if my handle didn't give it away...
 
2010-10-10 07:11:12 PM  
the fact that it was all done with free software is remarkable. the story didn't do it for me, but man, those were some seriously good images.
 
2010-10-10 07:19:24 PM  
Linux_Yes wrecks another thread without even trying.
 
2010-10-10 07:49:17 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Linux_Yes wrecks another thread without even trying.


Aw, it ain't that bad. He likes linux. Good for him. I like Linux, too. It ain't for everyone, but it's got some stuff going for it from the serious user standpoint.

Back to Blender... the big deal here really is not OS but the fact that there are people out there geeking on this enough to make it real, and make it Free (Ima just gonna start capitalizing free in this context). I've seen a lot of OSS in the past 5 years, and blender is harassing the big guys in a small way. They've played off the pirates for ages (hell, how many users of Autodesk software cut their teeth on a legit copy) without a free alternative, and here it is. Game houses now code for input from open formats so they can feed a scene via xml to a renderer.

This stuff works much better than I expected, even as lost as I am on simple tasks yet in blender. I used 3dsmax as a filetype converter sometimes... setting up video outputs is CAKE. It's a major PITA in blender; like I said before their "theory" eludes me yet. I'm blaming myself more than them.
 
2010-10-10 07:54:57 PM  
For those of us who like to kick it old skool, POV-Ray is coming up on it's 20th anniversary.

It's animation facilities were (and still are) rudimentary to say the least, but if you were a decent programmer and *very* patient you could do some pretty slick photrealistic animation at home as far back as the early '90's.

/ TMYK
 
2010-10-10 08:31:39 PM  

maxheck: rudimentary to say the least


Man, I could start a movement based on POV-Ray but I'd have to resort to baggery. 3rd-party renderers rock the home render scene. They had GI functional years before the major commercial players shipped.

/ahhh, good times...
 
2010-10-10 09:56:37 PM  
I was waiting for this for a while and now that it's out there are things I like and dislike about it. As awesome as it looks and as far as it's pushed Blender (which I use daily), the story has some weird holes and unnecessary stuff going on. The opening fight scene isn't really needed, and in the context of the film doesn't make a lot of sense. Just some random bandit out in the middle of nowhere? I saw the twist coming a mile away, too. The voice acting was good, tho, and the animation is above average.

Some might disagree on the animation, but those would be people who only see stuff put out by Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks/etc. Those guys spend years animating a movie and can spend a lot of time tweaking and perfecting things. Smaller studios generally do commercials, kids' shows, shorts and stuff like that. When you compare it to productions by similar teams this is cream of the crop sort of stuff up there with the best of them on a technical level.

I think the plan is to do a live-action short with CG effects next, and then there's talk of a feature length production. Hopefully this means that the sequence editor will get some attention.
 
2010-10-10 10:07:44 PM  
I thought it was genuinely good. And quite pretty. Maybe not quite Pixar level quality (in any manner of speaking), but was a neat story, well told. I got a little sniffy.

Oh, and some sort of computer program/OS is better than the one that you like.
 
2010-10-10 11:04:07 PM  

Linux_Yes: RatOmeter: Linux


ironic.

its you and your crony capitalist buddies who are sending american jobs to communist china (source:CIA) for cheap/slave labor.


My company has a majority of trade as export from the US.

[...] right republican??


Independent and rational.
 
2010-10-10 11:24:08 PM  
I think the question is exactly which parts are free.
Windows will set you back a few bucks, but what the operating system costs is nothing compared to the expense of customized rendering software and the in house staff needed to make it do what you want.

Someone with more artistic talent in their ranks than technical is going to be forced into using more common software. Making a free render engine a bigger deal to them.
 
2010-10-10 11:49:27 PM  
Well, that was a real pick me up feel good movie.
 
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