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(The New York Times)   Taliban: "Please accept this gracious gift of a large wooden horse as a trophy to celebrate your occupation of Afghanistan." United States: "Wheel her on in boys‼"   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2010-10-08 09:53:29 AM  
In b4 Holy Grail
 
2010-10-08 09:53:47 AM  
Does not surprise.
 
2010-10-08 09:54:33 AM  
thefark? It asked me to log in
 
2010-10-08 09:55:07 AM  
Suckers persist throughout history & legend....
 
2010-10-08 09:55:32 AM  
Dammit Impasse
 
2010-10-08 09:56:34 AM  

Impasse: In b4 Holy Grail


Oh, it's just a flesh wound...
 
2010-10-08 09:58:06 AM  
i wonder what the haha guy would have to say about this.
 
2010-10-08 09:58:20 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-10-08 10:01:10 AM  
"Mr. Pink was later determined to be a "known Taliban" figure, they reported."

slog.thestranger.com
 
2010-10-08 10:01:37 AM  
Did we not call their previous employers or check their references?


Also follow the first link for the story.
(new window)..
 
2010-10-08 10:02:01 AM  
Now if we could just build a big wooden badger...
 
2010-10-08 10:02:27 AM  
Ironic how the NYT ad that popped up on my page said, "Enjoy free access."
 
2010-10-08 10:05:19 AM  
"Afghan private security forces." Now there's a phrase that sets me at ease.
 
2010-10-08 10:05:33 AM  
... then Lancelot, Galahad, and I climb out, catching them totally by surprise.
 
2010-10-08 10:08:33 AM  
RUN AWAY!
 
2010-10-08 10:13:59 AM  

Im_Gumby: ... then Lancelot, Galahad, and I climb out, catching them totally by surprise.


linuxdevcenter.com
 
2010-10-08 10:15:08 AM  
So, we're paying for both sides of the war? OUch.
 
2010-10-08 10:16:26 AM  
The private security forces that we're hiring are ex-military and so are many of the taliban forces.

/this news is not surprising
 
2010-10-08 10:17:31 AM  
"The United States military has almost no independent information on the Afghans guarding the bases, who are employees of Afghan groups hired as subcontractors by Western firms awarded security contracts by the Pentagon. "

That there seams to be the problem. Pretty much zero accountability there.
 
2010-10-08 10:17:44 AM  
"We need to shut off the spigot of U.S. dollars flowing into the pockets of warlords and powerbrokers who act contrary to our interests and contribute to the corruption that weakens the support of the Afghan people for their government."

B-b-b-ut shoveling billions of dollars to our enemies worked so well in Iraq! SURGE!
 
2010-10-08 10:20:12 AM  
Its a good thing we have so much money and young people, or else someone might be concerned that we are funding both sides of an endless, pointless war and that maybe that isn't the best use of our resources.
 
2010-10-08 10:22:19 AM  
Too bad our military doesn't have a way to guard the bases themselves. You know, some sort of "military police" type organization or guys trained in the use of weapons who can perform "sentry duty". That way they wouldn't need to hire private security contractors. It would probably be a lot cheaper too.
 
2010-10-08 10:23:05 AM  
Can we just go home now??? The soviets were right, the place just isn't worth it.
 
2010-10-08 10:23:20 AM  
This is why America can't win wars.
 
2010-10-08 10:23:40 AM  

vernonFL: Its a good thing we have so much money and young people, or else someone might be concerned that we are funding both sides of an endless, pointless war and that maybe that isn't the best use of our resources.


Be silent, citizen. We've always been at war with Eurasia. I find your lack of faith disturbing.
 
2010-10-08 10:28:46 AM  
Here's an idea. How about we use the guys we already trained and pay to provide security in Afghanistan to... provide security in Afghanistan?

Why do we have security guards protecting our soldiers in war zones? Isn't that what the soldiers themselves are there for? I'm underwhelmed by the notion of having the best-trained and best-equipped military being "protected" by civilians while in a shooting war. This whole notion of contractors in war is damned scary to me, and this is a good example of why.
 
2010-10-08 10:28:51 AM  
i just read the article and neither of the quotations in the headline could be found anywhere. i think subby is making them up.
 
2010-10-08 10:28:53 AM  
Ugh. I never liked Obama, but I at least thought he'd be better than Bush on the wars. But we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan and nothing has been accomplished. Disgusting.
 
2010-10-08 10:35:28 AM  

Therion: "We need to shut off the spigot of U.S. dollars flowing into the pockets of warlords and powerbrokers who act contrary to our interests and contribute to the corruption that weakens the support of the Afghan people for their government."

B-b-b-ut shoveling billions of dollars to our enemies worked so well in Iraq! SURGE!


I thought he meant the Pentagon and the so-called generals who lead that joke shop.
 
2010-10-08 10:36:09 AM  

MindStalker: Can we just go home now??? The soviets were right, the place just isn't worth it.


Our first mistake was supporting these guys back when the soviets were in there. Freedom fighters? What a crock of shiat. We would be much better off today if Afghanistan was still under the thumb of the Russians. Maybe the Russians would like it back?
 
2010-10-08 10:36:38 AM  

YixilTesiphon: Ugh. I never liked Obama, but I at least thought he'd be better than Bush on the wars. But we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan and nothing has been accomplished. Disgusting.


LOL
 
2010-10-08 10:37:09 AM  
Is this the part where fark gets all huffy and starts to wargharrble about how this war is unwinnable and how we should just come back to US? This is the smoking gun right? This proves we did nothing there and that we should just pack it in.

I like these threads.
 
2010-10-08 10:40:31 AM  
I really hope these corrupt contractors are charged with treason, but I know they won't be. After all, they're just following our national religion: worship the dollar.
 
2010-10-08 10:42:09 AM  
Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes...
 
2010-10-08 10:42:22 AM  
It's not like the American military is world renowned for its intelligence.
 
2010-10-08 10:42:52 AM  

heavymetal: Too bad our military doesn't have a way to guard the bases themselves. You know, some sort of "military police" type organization or guys trained in the use of weapons who can perform "sentry duty". That way they wouldn't need to hire private security contractors. It would probably be a lot cheaper too.


Possibly not cheaper, but definitely smarter and more secure.
 
2010-10-08 10:43:36 AM  
YixilTesiphon

Ugh. I never liked Obama, but I at least thought he'd be better than Bush on the wars. But we're still in Iraq and Afghanistan and nothing has been accomplished. Disgusting.

We're in the process of pulling out of Iraq, and Obama always said he would increase our effort in Afghanistan. Anyone who thinks otherwise isn't paying attention.

As for accomplishing nothing, we've turned a secular dictatorship into a democratic theocracy allied with Iran, and killed a whole lot of people doing it. That's sort of an accomplishment, right?
 
2010-10-08 10:43:39 AM  

MindStalker: Can we just go home now??? The soviets were right, the place just isn't worth it.


This.
 
2010-10-08 10:44:24 AM  

enforcerpsu: Is this the part where fark gets all huffy and starts to wargharrble about how this war is unwinnable and how we should just come back to US? This is the smoking gun right? This proves we did nothing there and that we should just pack it in.

I like these threads.


Well, why the hell did Obama get us involved in two wars if he didn't have an exit strategy?
 
2010-10-08 10:44:55 AM  
FTFA: Fights soon erupted between the forces of Mr. White and Mr. Pink, with Mr. Pink finally killing Mr. White. Mr. Pink then sought refuge with the Taliban. ArmorGroup then turned to Mr. White's brother, Mr. White II, to run its security force, but also continued to employ Mr. Pink's men, even though they knew he was now working with the Taliban.

Jesus.
 
2010-10-08 10:45:38 AM  

BolloxReader: This whole notion of contractors in war is damned scary to me, and this is a good example of why.


But how are the military contractors supposed to get rich?
They bribed donated to my campaign so i could guarantee them massive profits.

I'm sorry, I just don't see the logic in your question.
Thank you for writing, and please remember to vote.

Signed: your elected representative.
 
2010-10-08 10:47:02 AM  

enforcerpsu: Is this the part where fark gets all huffy and starts to wargharrble about how this war is unwinnable and how we should just come back to US? This is the smoking gun right? This proves we did nothing there and that we should just pack it in.

I like these threads.


Sure we did something, we kicked the Taliban's ass in about a month with a handful of special forces but the main target slipped through our fingers. I think we had to go in to try to get BL but the hard part is getting out. Because, I believe, someday we will get out. The problem is when we do someone, somewhere is going to say we did not "win". How do you define winning? As far as I am concerned we already won. The time to get out was years ago.
 
2010-10-08 10:49:57 AM  
When I visited an Army base in Germany I found it bizarre that the guards who checked your passport at the gate were all German. I find it incredible that they'd do the same thing in Afghanistan.

/What the hell are they thinking?
//Oh, wait. Never mind.
 
2010-10-08 10:52:43 AM  
Mr. Pink?
Wouldn't they all be Mr. Brown?
 
2010-10-08 10:52:47 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: We're in the process of pulling out of Iraq


Uhhuh. I'll believe it when I see it. The bullshiat claim that combat operations were over doesn't give me any confidence we're leaving anytime soon.
 
2010-10-08 10:54:37 AM  
can't say i'm surprised

also We must shut off the spigot of U.S. dollars flowing into the pockets of warlords and power brokers who act contrary to our interest

only way to do that is to leave...soon
 
2010-10-08 10:57:48 AM  

heavymetal: Too bad our military doesn't have a way to guard the bases themselves. You know, some sort of "military police" type organization or guys trained in the use of weapons who can perform "sentry duty". That way they wouldn't need to hire private security contractors. It would probably be a lot cheaper too.


Believe it or not, they used to have stuff like that, my dad told me they were called "soldiers" or "troops" or something like that. But I guess we had to stop using them because someone needed the money or something.
 
2010-10-08 10:58:48 AM  

Sefton: Mr. Pink?
Wouldn't they all be Mr. Brown?


I lol'd
 
2010-10-08 11:01:03 AM  
Yeah Mr. Pink sounds like Mr. Pussy. Tell you what let me be
Mr. Purple. That sounds good to me. I'm Mr. Purple.
 
2010-10-08 11:03:04 AM  

MindStalker: Can we just go home now??? The soviets were right, the place just isn't worth it.


Well, recent prospecting found a trillion dollars or so in rare earth metals and other resources not previously documented. Here (new window) is the original article, NY Times so duh some of you will be asked to register, you were warned.

So there IS something there. The question is, how much is it worth to the US to control, versus someone like Iran or China?
 
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