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2010-10-07 12:11:28 PM
I don't live in the gulf region, but I am stressed out by all of the news stories about the BP spill. Can I get a check?
 
2010-10-07 12:28:47 PM
so, you don't think losing your livelihood is stressful, submitter?
 
2010-10-07 12:34:12 PM
There's no shortage of things to get angry about on the part of the government and BP in the wake of this disaster, but this is hardly one of them. The administration keeping the NOAA from releasing their estimate on the worst case scenarios, OTOH...
 
2010-10-07 12:40:02 PM
FlashHarry: so, you don't think losing your livelihood is stressful, submitter?

Really? We need a phone bank paid for out of the Relief Fund for this? I assume the Government is getting a really cheap deal out of it too... not like that money couldn't be used to actually help REBUILD SOMEONE'S LIVELYHOOD?

/not subby
 
2010-10-07 01:39:27 PM
AmStatic1: Really? We need a phone bank paid for out of the Relief Fund for this? I assume the Government is getting a really cheap deal out of it too... not like that money couldn't be used to actually help REBUILD SOMEONE'S LIVELYHOOD?



At least three or four people have committed suicide over this. I have no statistics at hand, but it seems realistic that instances of domestic violence, alcoholism, and depression would have also increased.

This really isn't a bad idea, and BP should absolutely be paying for it.
 
2010-10-07 03:46:58 PM
Having worked a crisis line in the past, I can say that this is something I would have assumed would have been done right away. Some people really have no one to support them and give them good advice in a time of high stress.

/I of course, have my fellow Farkers.
//I am doomed.
 
2010-10-07 03:47:06 PM
what_now: At least three or four people have committed suicide over this.

If the alternative was to dial some number and have some BP shlub tell me "Aw shucks, mister, it's not so bad!" I'd hang myself, too.

Treat the cause, not the symptom.
 
2010-10-07 03:47:30 PM
So what's wrong with this exactly? God forbid we offer a little free counseling to these people, using BP's money.
 
2010-10-07 03:48:15 PM
AmStatic1: FlashHarry: so, you don't think losing your livelihood is stressful, submitter?

Really? We need a phone bank paid for out of the Relief Fund for this? I assume the Government is getting a really cheap deal out of it too... not like that money couldn't be used to actually help REBUILD SOMEONE'S LIVELYHOOD?

/not subby


We should only do one or the other? We can't actually help deal with the stress, uncertainty, and confusion while claims get settled? Why is this a bad idea?
 
2010-10-07 03:49:44 PM
Mentalpatient87: what_now: At least three or four people have committed suicide over this.

If the alternative was to dial some number and have some BP shlub tell me "Aw shucks, mister, it's not so bad!" I'd hang myself, too.

Treat the cause, not the symptom.


Don't hold your breath. If you look, it's still pretty easy to find oil from the Ixtoc oil spill (which was also in the Gulf, and the largest in the Gulf until DWH), which happened more than 30 years ago.
 
2010-10-07 03:50:36 PM
Has anyone figured out a way for people who lost nothing from the spill to cash in yet? I feel like BP owes me a nice fat check because Obama said they were bad.
 
2010-10-07 03:50:49 PM
FTFA:
"if behavioral health conditions are left untreated, we can expect that the situations these individuals and their families are living in will worsen."

That's one big-ass psychological brush stroke you got there Lou.
 
2010-10-07 03:52:48 PM
what_now: At least three or four people have committed suicide over this. I have no statistics at hand, but it seems realistic that instances of domestic violence, alcoholism, and depression would have also increased.

This really isn't a bad idea, and BP should absolutely be paying for it.


People get stressed out about pretty much anything, almost in completely unrelated degrees to the actual circumstances. This is why you'll see wealthy people suffering massive stress over stupid things like whether the paint that went on their walls is the exactly correct shade of off-white.

People also have a completely baseless assumption that the government exists to protect and support "their livelihood". Times change, circumstances change. If you'd rather fret about losing your fishing business, rather than taking the money you can and finding a new industry where you can make a living, you don't deserve a penny.

And yes, I speak from experience. Some of my in-laws had farms, and continually complained that they made so little money. But were they willing to sell their farm and use that money to move somewhere and try to develop a career doing anything else? Hell no. They'd rather sit and complain than improve their lot. They don't want to "make enough money to be happy", they want to "make enough money to be happy doing whatever they choose to do". That's a ridiculous mindset when it's a 16 year old telling his mom he doesn't need to go to school because he's going to become a famous actor, and it's a ridiculous mindset when you're 40 and telling the government they need to pay you because your industry isn't profitable any more and you refuse to move with the times.

I have the greatest of sympathies over people whose lives were affected by this, but that doesn't mean they need to stamp their feet and demand everything be put back like it was. You can't un-break an egg. Whining that there's egg on the floor and you really wanted eggs for breakfast doesn't help anything. Cooking up some sausages, or going to the store for more eggs, THAT helps. Yes, it sucks, but refusing to move on doesn't help anyone.
 
2010-10-07 03:52:54 PM
If a private company caused a dissaster which wiped out an entire seasons's worth (and maybe more) of my business, I'd be having panic attacks.

Consider that people who live on the Gulf generally all fish- because that's all there is to do. Even if they wanted to take up a temporary job at a Wal-Mart or something, they can't.
 
2010-10-07 03:53:47 PM
jayg22: Has anyone figured out a way for people who lost nothing from the spill to cash in yet? I feel like BP owes me a nice fat check because Obama said they were bad.

Damn dude! You haven't got your FEMA ATM card, case of heineken or big screen plasma yet? I'd raise three different kinds of hell!
 
2010-10-07 03:55:26 PM
"Maybe we should chug on over to mamby pamby land where maybe we can find some self confidence for you, you jack wagon!"
 
2010-10-07 03:56:07 PM
Thorak: People also have a completely baseless assumption that the government exists to protect and support "their livelihood". Times change, circumstances change. If you'd rather fret about losing your fishing business, rather than taking the money you can and finding a new industry where you can make a living, you don't deserve a penny.

Yeah, changing your entire life mid-stream is simple stuff, eh? Especially when its unexpected.

People change careers all the time, but they generally do so while keeping their original job, learning a new skill on their off time, and slowly transitioning.

Even beyond that, your statement is asinine. We *need* people fishing in the Gulf. This country doesn't want these people just moving out and taking jobs elsewhere.
 
2010-10-07 03:57:09 PM
"While you hold, please enjoy our track of dying seagulls"
 
2010-10-07 03:59:37 PM
I would like to see the total money paid out by BP and a breakdown on the amounts that went to lawyers, public relations advertising, policital contributions, and people who were affected by the disaster specifically made public on a monthly basis. What good is a $20 billion fund if most of it does not assist the victims?
 
2010-10-07 03:59:56 PM
And before anyone says it, I'm not against giving folks money to help them with making those changes. But if someone says "No" to "here's some money to move to a new town where the fishing industry is booming", or "here's some money to retrain for a new industry", then why should we pay them plenty of money for the rest of their lives because they refuse to adjust?
 
2010-10-07 04:00:44 PM
I'd call it the Oil Hotline for the Spill Having Immediate Tragedy

/that was hard
 
2010-10-07 04:01:07 PM
still no hotline for those of us who had/have to put up with the Katrina Evacuees though huh?
 
2010-10-07 04:01:59 PM
what_now: AmStatic1: Really? We need a phone bank paid for out of the Relief Fund for this? I assume the Government is getting a really cheap deal out of it too... not like that money couldn't be used to actually help REBUILD SOMEONE'S LIVELYHOOD?



At least three or four people have committed suicide over this. I have no statistics at hand, but it seems realistic that instances of domestic violence, alcoholism, and depression would have also increased.

This really isn't a bad idea, and BP should absolutely be paying for it.


Hmm, millions of people have lost their jobs that had nothing to do with the oil spill.

Where is their stress relief?

People need to STFU and get back to work.
 
2010-10-07 04:02:09 PM
Thorak:...I have the greatest of sympathies over people whose lives were affected by this, but that doesn't mean they need to stamp their feet and demand everything be put back like it was. You can't un-break an egg. Whining that there's egg on the floor and you really wanted eggs for breakfast doesn't help anything. Cooking up some sausages, or going to the store for more eggs, THAT helps. Yes, it sucks, but refusing to move on doesn't help anyone.

I believe the entire point of a hotline number is to educate people in how to get on with their lives. Amazingly enough, some folks need some guidance to be able to see the path to recovery, particularly those who lack the coping skills some of us may take for granted.
 
2010-10-07 04:02:34 PM
Pair-o-Dice: jayg22: Has anyone figured out a way for people who lost nothing from the spill to cash in yet? I feel like BP owes me a nice fat check because Obama said they were bad.

Damn dude! You haven't got your FEMA ATM card, case of heineken or big screen plasma yet? I'd raise three different kinds of hell!


I just want a truck-boat-truck.
 
2010-10-07 04:03:44 PM
Barakku: "While you hold, please enjoy our track of dying seagulls"

And they swam
swam so far away...
couldn't get away
 
2010-10-07 04:04:14 PM
downstairs: Thorak: People also have a completely baseless assumption that the government exists to protect and support "their livelihood". Times change, circumstances change. If you'd rather fret about losing your fishing business, rather than taking the money you can and finding a new industry where you can make a living, you don't deserve a penny.

Yeah, changing your entire life mid-stream is simple stuff, eh? Especially when its unexpected.

People change careers all the time, but they generally do so while keeping their original job, learning a new skill on their off time, and slowly transitioning.

Even beyond that, your statement is asinine. We *need* people fishing in the Gulf. This country doesn't want these people just moving out and taking jobs elsewhere.


So, what, the government is going to magically return the fish? They're going to pay the fishermen to sit around for 10 years or so (based on Ixtoc), until everything returns to pre-spill levels?

That ship has sailed.
 
2010-10-07 04:04:42 PM
Satanicpuppy: Don't hold your breath. If you look, it's still pretty easy to find oil from the Ixtoc oil spill (which was also in the Gulf, and the largest in the Gulf until DWH), which happened more than 30 years ago.

So.... F**k it? Leave it all there? Why bother even trying, right?
 
2010-10-07 04:06:11 PM
Whur's muh check? Got oil in my driveway.

/should have setup a hotline to Saudi Arabia. $3.99/per call. Rich.
 
2010-10-07 04:06:13 PM
A phone bank is relatively inexpensive and it's putting people to work.
 
2010-10-07 04:06:52 PM
Suicides are up dramatically here in north Alabama, though probably not from the BP oil spill. Most likely due to the economy and all.

The sad part about it is that suicide is a permanent solution to, what usually is, a temporary problem.

/I'm cool with a help line for people impacted by the oil spill.
 
2010-10-07 04:07:07 PM
You act like the fund is all there is. BP even acknowledged this was a start and not an end to their liability. The $20B is the fast track fund.
 
2010-10-07 04:07:15 PM
Thunderpipes: what_now: AmStatic1: Really? We need a phone bank paid for out of the Relief Fund for this? I assume the Government is getting a really cheap deal out of it too... not like that money couldn't be used to actually help REBUILD SOMEONE'S LIVELYHOOD?

At least three or four people have committed suicide over this. I have no statistics at hand, but it seems realistic that instances of domestic violence, alcoholism, and depression would have also increased.

This really isn't a bad idea, and BP should absolutely be paying for it.

Hmm, millions of people have lost their jobs that had nothing to do with the oil spill.

Where is their stress relief?

People need to STFU and get back to work.


The liquor store.
 
2010-10-07 04:07:46 PM
i.somethingawful.com

This pigeon underwent counseling
 
2010-10-07 04:07:55 PM
Thorak: People also have a completely baseless assumption that the government exists to protect and support "their livelihood".

Thorak: ling the government they need to pay you because your industry isn't profitable any more and you refuse to move with the times.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. These people aren't in the buggy whip industry, their entire way of life was swept away due to corporate malfeasance!
 
2010-10-07 04:08:07 PM
Mentalpatient87: Satanicpuppy: Don't hold your breath. If you look, it's still pretty easy to find oil from the Ixtoc oil spill (which was also in the Gulf, and the largest in the Gulf until DWH), which happened more than 30 years ago.

So.... F**k it? Leave it all there? Why bother even trying, right?


Pretty much. At this point we have to wait for it to break down naturally, largely because BP went farking nuts with dispersants, and sunk the shiat so low it's going to take decades to get up to a depth where it CAN decompose naturally.

If it was largely surface oil, we could try aerating the water (one of the biggest problems right now is oxygen depletion from the bacteria that are eating the oil), but there's not much point in that.
 
2010-10-07 04:09:10 PM
I would just like to clarify, while I think it is great people are concerned with our fishing industry, many of the fishing and shrimping waters have re-opened, and the fish and shrimp are getting a clean bill of health from state and wildlife authorities, so if you see Louisiana seafood for sale in your area, please know it is completely safe. Don't buy those awful farm-raised Asian shrimp that taste like iodine. Thanks.
 
2010-10-07 04:09:18 PM
downstairs: Even beyond that, your statement is asinine. We *need* people fishing in the Gulf. This country doesn't want these people just moving out and taking jobs elsewhere.

If there's no fish, then we absolutely do NOT.

As I just said, I wholeheartedly support giving them the funds to switch career tracks and move to where the jobs are. I don't support giving them money if they're unwilling to adjust to the situation.
 
2010-10-07 04:10:19 PM
A counselling hotline is incredibly cheap to set up and maintain. Need is self selected which means that you don't have to worry about screening costs and need assessments. Since the service has no value to those that don't need it, so there is no incentive for those that don't need it to game the system.

Delivery of service is over phone lines which makes it both immediate and inexpensive, and scaling is a synch because call volume, wait time, etc. are easy calculations with known variables.

Impact, even when it is negligible in respect to the overall problem, is pretty astounding in relationship to cost.

Virtually any attempt to aid anything includes a plan for a counselling hotline because it is an excellent and very cost effective tool.
 
2010-10-07 04:15:08 PM
Accent: This pigeon underwent counseling

Let me guess, he's having an identity crisis and believes he's a pelican?
 
2010-10-07 04:15:32 PM
Nabb1: I would just like to clarify, while I think it is great people are concerned with our fishing industry, many of the fishing and shrimping waters have re-opened, and the fish and shrimp are getting a clean bill of health from state and wildlife authorities, so if you see Louisiana seafood for sale in your area, please know it is completely safe. Don't buy those awful farm-raised Asian shrimp that taste like iodine. Thanks.

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2010-10-07 04:16:16 PM
Satanicpuppy: So, what, the government is going to magically return the fish? They're going to pay the fishermen to sit around for 10 years or so (based on Ixtoc), until everything returns to pre-spill levels?

You mean the Ixtoc spill? That's a completely different thing. The Gulf fishing is actually back near 100%. So no one needs to change careers.

However, their lives are farked for a long time- as yours would be if you made $0 for a very long time. And are still making $0 because certain seasons are over.
 
2010-10-07 04:17:58 PM
Thorak: downstairs: Even beyond that, your statement is asinine. We *need* people fishing in the Gulf. This country doesn't want these people just moving out and taking jobs elsewhere.

If there's no fish, then we absolutely do NOT.

As I just said, I wholeheartedly support giving them the funds to switch career tracks and move to where the jobs are. I don't support giving them money if they're unwilling to adjust to the situation.


You don't get it, do you? The interruption in the fishing industry isn't a permanent shut down. It is temporary. What sense does it make to transition all those people to new careers when there will simply be a future need for people with job skills they already have? And many are back at work but need compensation for the time they were unable to work.
 
2010-10-07 04:18:13 PM
iollow: A phone bank is relatively inexpensive and it's putting people to work.

The same could be said for a handjob cafe, and it would be much more valuable.
 
2010-10-07 04:18:35 PM
Pair-o-Dice: Nabb1: I would just like to clarify, while I think it is great people are concerned with our fishing industry, many of the fishing and shrimping waters have re-opened, and the fish and shrimp are getting a clean bill of health from state and wildlife authorities, so if you see Louisiana seafood for sale in your area, please know it is completely safe. Don't buy those awful farm-raised Asian shrimp that taste like iodine. Thanks.

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Yeah, he's serious. Does this surprise you?

Louisiana seafood is 100% safe. If it weren't, the EPA wouldn't let fishers in the waters.

Louisiana seafood is some of the most tested and scrutinized food in the world.
 
2010-10-07 04:18:47 PM
Pair-o-Dice: Nabb1: I would just like to clarify, while I think it is great people are concerned with our fishing industry, many of the fishing and shrimping waters have re-opened, and the fish and shrimp are getting a clean bill of health from state and wildlife authorities, so if you see Louisiana seafood for sale in your area, please know it is completely safe. Don't buy those awful farm-raised Asian shrimp that taste like iodine. Thanks.

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Absolutely serious. I had some Gulf white shrimp and grits for dinner last night.
 
2010-10-07 04:19:30 PM
So, let's review what we have established:
A: There is apparently no way that employers, however well intentioned, can protect themselves from being defrauded into hiring illegals - the recent experiences of apparently innocent victims like Lou Dobbs and Meg Whitman illustrate this.

B: There is no possible way to completely seal our thousands of miles of border and coastline - people WILL get in.

C: The idea that we can somehow round up and deport TWELVE MILLION PEOPLE in our midst is absurd - a logistical impossibility.

So what the hell DO we do? The Arizona strategy, without regard to constitutionality or ethics, is absurd - we want rid of these people, so we arrest and jail them, and give them three hots and a cot under circumstances that are nicer than where they came from - at taxpayer expense.
Any real immigration reform seems politically impossible in this hysterical climate - so somebody better come up with some new ideas.
But we won't. Our current policies, which essentially consist of having two signs at our border, one saying "Help Wanted" and the other saying "Keep Out" benefits the wealthy and politically connected.
Nothing's going to change, and nothing's going to be done about this.
 
2010-10-07 04:19:35 PM
what_now: You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. These people aren't in the buggy whip industry, their entire way of life was swept away due to corporate malfeasance!

Which is why said corporation should pay them the necessary amount for them to move/retrain and get on with their lives.

As opposed to paying them to NOT move and NOT retrain and hope their industry gets fixed by someone else.
 
2010-10-07 04:19:53 PM
downstairs: Satanicpuppy: So, what, the government is going to magically return the fish? They're going to pay the fishermen to sit around for 10 years or so (based on Ixtoc), until everything returns to pre-spill levels?

You mean the Ixtoc spill? That's a completely different thing. The Gulf fishing is actually back near 100%. So no one needs to change careers.

However, their lives are farked for a long time- as yours would be if you made $0 for a very long time. And are still making $0 because certain seasons are over.


Wouldn't it be wise to plan around extended periods of zero income if you worked in a seasonal position? I'm not saying I have no compassion for their plight but "season over" isn't really a good reason. From what I understand the fishing industry was 1) not very high paying anyhow and 2) pretty easy to corrupt so I would think that the failsafes already in place (reimbursement with proof of lost income based on taxes paid or tax return information) would go a long way. If they were cheating and don't have that proof I have little pity for them.
 
2010-10-07 04:20:49 PM
Nabb1: You don't get it, do you? The interruption in the fishing industry isn't a permanent shut down. It is temporary. What sense does it make to transition all those people to new careers when there will simply be a future need for people with job skills they already have? And many are back at work but need compensation for the time they were unable to work.

Exactly. And the guy is arguing against a stress hotline. Seriously, ever heard of post-tramatic stress? I've been through some very, very tough times running my business too. While I'm a fairly mentally tough guy, the stress still affects you months or years later.
 
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