Let me guess, the prescription is more cowbell lotsa drugs?

How about you just discipline your kid?

m1ke: How about you just discipline your kid?

But then where would we get shiatty, angsty poetry?

I wish I had an emo yard
so my grass would cut itself.

Now they just need to link cancer to depression and depression to cancer (I'm sure both are actually true) and we can have a depressive, cancerous ouroborus going on here.

I think I spotted a small typo in the article. They meant to say that good parental discipline, some basic ground rules, playing outside once in awhile, and eating food NOT made entirely of sugar might help kids with both ADHD and depression...

/Who am I kidding? None of those things are allowed nowadays.

Teknowaffle: m1ke: How about you just discipline your kid?

But then where would we get shiatty, angsty poetry?

"I'm wishing you the best of luck.
And by the way.
Your poetry sucks."

RocketRod: I wonder how many ADHD cases we'd have if parents weren't so afraid to beat the crap outta their bratty-ass kids at an early age?

I think kids have ADHD because of the constant stream of stimulation from TV, video games, and gadgets that kids experience; not from lack of beatings.

On the other hand, beatings might give them something valid to be depressed about.

Wow, in before the first person claiming that ADHD doesn't exist, and that people who think they have it just need to concentrate more or something? That's amazing.

RocketRod: I wonder how many ADHD cases we'd have if parents weren't so afraid to beat the crap outta their bratty-ass kids at an early age?

I worked at summer camps during college. I can tell you that a lot of the bratty screaming kids had equally bratty hitting parents. The problem here isn't hitting, it's establishing appropriate boundaries without having to resort to physical violence or yelling.

Easy fix: Stop telling kids - or better, their parents - that they have ADHD. Bam, no more ADHD induced depression.

It'll be hell on the Rittalin stock though, let me tell you.

/just invest in Prozac.

"Making teenagers depressed is like shooting fish in a barrel"

I wish my cheese was emo so it would cut itself?

As somebody who went through the public school system in recent years with severe ADHD, I'm shaking my head at most of these replies.

I'm still baffled that people seem to grasp that we can't "fix" autism, dyslexia, or schizophrenia with "better parenting" or "more beatings", but apparently people still think that's a completely reasonable plan for ADHD.

kiwimoogle84: Now at 26, I've never been on a medication in my life and I'm college educated without a lick of trouble. Go screw yourself, drug-happy moms and dads who would rather medicate rather than be a good parent.

Am I allowed by your worldview to be 40-something and have had very good results from Adderall (for myself), or does that make me a drug-happy dad?

ASlyLittleFox: Easy fix: Stop telling kids - or better, their parents - that they have ADHD. Bam, no more ADHD induced depression.

It'll be hell on the Rittalin stock though, let me tell you.

/just invest in Prozac.

Why not go one step further and kill everyone on earth; no one will be around to recognize anything as a problem and thus there will be no problems.

kiwimoogle84: See, this is why my mother is my hero.

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was a kid because I was squirly and didn't want to do homework or sit still.

*crickets*

Anyone know a kid like that? Jeez.

Anyway Doc said "stuff her face full of Ritalin."

Mom said, "Go fark yourself, I'm limiting her sugar intake."

Now at 26, I've never been on a medication in my life and I'm college educated without a lick of trouble. Go screw yourself, drug-happy moms and dads who would rather medicate rather than be a good parent.

/also got teh spankings when acting up
//mom's my hero

Two of my 4 are ADHD, one is regular and one is bipolar. I use duct tape and cinderblock shoes.

Anyone saying adhd doesn't exist might want to check last week's link about a genetic connection to adhd.

The grandson cut his hair at school (second grade), then cut a hole in a brand new shirt we had picked up for him at his insistence the day before. He definately has some problems with focus. But mostly when he isn't doing something he especially enjoys. I recall my focus in the second grade being pretty good with Sister Catherine Lucien hovering over me.

Smackledorfer: Anyone saying adhd doesn't exist might want to check last week's link about a genetic connection to adhd.

Genetics don't exist either, Q.E.D.

Smackledorfer: Anyone saying adhd doesn't exist might want to check last week's link about a genetic connection to adhd.

It certainly exists.

The knock is that its being over-diagnosed to every kid with minor behavioral problems because its easier to blame a disease than a parent.

ackb4r: Smackledorfer: Anyone saying adhd doesn't exist might want to check last week's link about a genetic connection to adhd.

It certainly exists.

The knock is that its being over-diagnosed to every kid with minor behavioral problems because its easier to blame a disease than a parent.

Can this just be the final end do the debate?

Sin_City_Superhero: djh0101010: Wow, in before the first person claiming that ADHD doesn't exist, and that people who think they have it just need to concentrate more or something? That's amazing.

ADHD doesn't exist. The people who "have" it do just need to concentrate more.

/we good here now?

I'd like to see your PhD in one of the following subjects:

1. Neurology
2. Psychiatry
3. Behavioral Medicine

Plz kthx.

Smackledorfer: Anyone saying adhd doesn't exist might want to check last week's link about a genetic connection to adhd.

Saying that a dumbass parent has dumbass kids does not really make it a genetically linked trait.

note the comments by other Drs.

"Only 57 out of the 366 children with ADHD had the genetic variant supposed to be a cause of the illness."

"I'm pretty sure these studies are not going to produce undoubtable evidence that ADHD is caused solely genetically.

"I am saying it's a mixture of genetic and environmental factors, and the important thing is that we don't end up thinking this is a biological problem which is only subject to biological treatments like Ritalin."

So a smack upside the head is still a valid treatment.

HeWhoHasNoName: As somebody who went through the public school system in recent years with severe ADHD, I'm shaking my head at most of these replies.

I'm still baffled that people seem to grasp that we can't "fix" autism, dyslexia, or schizophrenia with "better parenting" or "more beatings", but apparently people still think that's a completely reasonable plan for ADHD.

As a parent of an autistic, I assure you there are plenty of people who think spanking will cure autism. If only it were that easy.

As an adult ADDer, I've yet to hear any explanations from the "Ritalin is overprescribed" crowd about how, if it's not appropriate for a particular patient, that it calms them down (since it's a stimulant - amphetamine to be exact!)

HeWhoHasNoName: Sin_City_Superhero: djh0101010: Wow, in before the first person claiming that ADHD doesn't exist, and that people who think they have it just need to concentrate more or something? That's amazing.

ADHD doesn't exist. The people who "have" it do just need to concentrate more.

/we good here now?

I'd like to see your PhD in one of the following subjects:

1. Neurology
2. Psychiatry
3. Behavioral Medicine

Plz kthx.

Sounds like an appeal to authority to me.

kiwimoogle84: See, this is why my mother is my hero.

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was a kid because I was squirly and didn't want to do homework or sit still.

*crickets*

Anyone know a kid like that? Jeez.

Anyway Doc said "stuff her face full of Ritalin."

Mom said, "Go fark yourself, I'm limiting her sugar intake."

Now at 26, I've never been on a medication in my life and I'm college educated without a lick of trouble. Go screw yourself, drug-happy moms and dads who would rather medicate rather than be a good parent.

/also got teh spankings when acting up
//mom's my hero

Ahhh yes, my mother reacted the same way. Unfortunately, I actually have ADD (non hyperactive). Now I'm in my 30s and still struggling to complete a degree while holding down a tech support job that I struggle to advance out of because I can't concentrate enough to complete anything complex enough to get noticed.

\tried medication
\\worked great for a while
\\\but I was already too old, and my blood pressure was already too high
\\\\Hey look over there! Slashies!

I think there are more adults with ADHD/ADD than I better check my email what's going on on CNN farkers tend to what is that on my screen how did my shoes come untied I'm almost running out of tape recognize.

andrewskdr: I think there are more adults with ADHD/ADD than I better check my email what's going on on CNN farkers tend to what is that on my screen how did my shoes come untied I'm almost running out of tape recognize.



/Hotlinked

HeWhoHasNoName: As somebody who went through the public school system in recent years with severe ADHD, I'm shaking my head at most of these replies.

I'm still baffled that people seem to grasp that we can't "fix" autism, dyslexia, or schizophrenia with "better parenting" or "more beatings", but apparently people still think that's a completely reasonable plan for ADHD.

As someone that went through the public school system with severe ADHD, I'm shaking my head at your reply.

You can fix ADHD with better parenting, you can fix ADHD with appropriate parenting techniques ("beating" is not the right word for it, but the occasional spank never hurt anyone), and you can fix ADHD by teaching your children to sit down and shut up when appropriate.

The same applies to ADD, ODD, and adolescent depression. The mistake is in wondering which drug to shove in which hole to make the problem "disappear". Chemical imbalance is a part of growing up, and the drugs kids are being fed are making them even crazier and more suicidal. Psychologists and psychiatrists know it, but parents don't want to believe it.

/Don't try to link autism and ADHD. They're different things.

untaken_name: HeWhoHasNoName: Sin_City_Superhero: djh0101010: Wow, in before the first person claiming that ADHD doesn't exist, and that people who think they have it just need to concentrate more or something? That's amazing.

ADHD doesn't exist. The people who "have" it do just need to concentrate more.

/we good here now?

I'd like to see your PhD in one of the following subjects:

1. Neurology
2. Psychiatry
3. Behavioral Medicine

Plz kthx.

Sounds like an appeal to authority to me.

No. I'm asking him to establish a tiny shred of credibility to prove that he's doing more than making noise. It's known as ethos. If he can't present evidence that he has any actual knowledge about the subject beyond uninformed opinion... then all he can do with any measure of credibility is spout uninformed opinion that is worth less than the bandwidth he's using.

I do not have a PhD, but I do have an ICD9 diagnosis. My 15+ years of first-hand experience with ADHD through school, college, and the workplace as a child, teenager, and adult is my credibility.

I think we should take all the kids out and let them play in the woods for about 5 years, and teach them how to read and do basic stuff. But mostly we let them play in the woods. Then when they're about 14, we put them back in a real classroom and start talking to them like adults.

I guess I won't be getting that job as Secretary of Education anytime soon.

Gaseous Anomaly: HeWhoHasNoName: As somebody who went through the public school system in recent years with severe ADHD, I'm shaking my head at most of these replies.

I'm still baffled that people seem to grasp that we can't "fix" autism, dyslexia, or schizophrenia with "better parenting" or "more beatings", but apparently people still think that's a completely reasonable plan for ADHD.

As a parent of an autistic, I assure you there are plenty of people who think spanking will cure autism. If only it were that easy.

As an adult ADDer, I've yet to hear any explanations from the "Ritalin is overprescribed" crowd about how, if it's not appropriate for a particular patient, that it calms them down (since it's a stimulant - amphetamine to be exact!)

Because it increases dopamine levels. Artificial mental stimulation/reward. It can make otherwise boring and uninteresting activities seem better. It would work with anyone to a degree.

Also, it has long been known that some stimulants have the opposite effect on prepubescent children.

HeWhoHasNoName: My 15+ years of first-hand experience with ADHD through school, college, and the workplace as a child, teenager, and adult is my credibility.

Anecdotal evidence.

Maybe you're just nuts.

cryinoutloud: I think we should take all the kids out and let them play in the woods for about 5 years, and teach them how to read and do basic stuff. But mostly we let them play in the woods. Then when they're about 14, we put them back in a real classroom and start talking to them like adults.

I guess I won't be getting that job as Secretary of Education anytime soon.

Naw, the solution is to stick 'em in a classroom at an earlier age so that they can get used to a structured environment. In fact, make school last longer, too. Maybe it should go Monday through Saturday. And no recess. The more structure they have in their lives, the better they'll perform. The problem is too many distractions. Remove all of the distractions, and the kids will be able to focus. For example, how many of you would stare out of the windows during school? Eliminate the windows, and you've already gotten that much more attention out of your students. Also, more standardized testing would ensure that they get the necessary practice to do well on their standardized tests. Plus, the teachers' unions would like it because it would make it that much easier to make sure that everyone follows the same lesson plan and no teacher looks worse by comparison. It's about equality, see.

Baroness: HeWhoHasNoName: As somebody who went through the public school system in recent years with severe ADHD, I'm shaking my head at most of these replies.

I'm still baffled that people seem to grasp that we can't "fix" autism, dyslexia, or schizophrenia with "better parenting" or "more beatings", but apparently people still think that's a completely reasonable plan for ADHD.

As someone that went through the public school system with severe ADHD, I'm shaking my head at your reply.

You can fix ADHD with better parenting, you can fix ADHD with appropriate parenting techniques ("beating" is not the right word for it, but the occasional spank never hurt anyone), and you can fix ADHD by teaching your children to sit down and shut up when appropriate.

The same applies to ADD, ODD, and adolescent depression. The mistake is in wondering which drug to shove in which hole to make the problem "disappear". Chemical imbalance is a part of growing up, and the drugs kids are being fed are making them even crazier and more suicidal. Psychologists and psychiatrists know it, but parents don't want to believe it.

/Don't try to link autism and ADHD. They're different things.

There are lifestyle and social structuring methods that can help to a minor degree, and for very mild or minor cases that may be enough for some people.

Forced 8-hour study sessions in a bare room and severe discipline will not inhibit an excessive dopamine reuptake rate, and it will not prevent the psychiatric or behavioral effects that result from it. You cannot change neurology and neurochemistry with 'parenting' or 'trying harder'. The sooner you get past your belief in that ridiculous fallacy, the sooner people with real, significant conditions can actually start dealing with their challenges instead of your crap. What you're proposing has little more feasibility or scientific credibility behind it than epsom salt, and if you stopped to actually do some research, you'd realize it almost instantly - if your hubris didn't get in the way. The cognitive dissonance you're engaging in is on the same intellectual level as lunatic religious fundamentalists that froth at the mouth and deny the very concept of evolution as "a theory".


If a person's symptoms are severe enough, they are going to need medication to bring their symptoms under control to a point where lifestyle modification may actually do some good. If you are dealing with symptoms past a certain level of severity, all you are going to accomplish is to waste your time and frustrate the individual by demanding the impossible from them, and then punishing them when they are physically incapable of meeting your ignorant demands.

kiwimoogle84: See, this is why my mother is my hero.

I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was a kid because I was squirly and didn't want to do homework or sit still.

*crickets*

Anyone know a kid like that? Jeez.

Anyway Doc said "stuff her face full of Ritalin."

Mom said, "Go fark yourself, I'm limiting her sugar intake."

Now at 26, I've never been on a medication in my life and I'm college educated without a lick of trouble. Go screw yourself, drug-happy moms and dads who would rather medicate rather than be a good parent.

/also got teh spankings when acting up
//mom's my hero

See, this is why my mom sucked. She told me to "get over it" and refused to let me see a doctor about my problem. Now I'm 38 and and have been on medication since I was able to leave the house on my own. I got no help from my mother who even told me that going on anti-depressants was "stupid". Some kids need it and some don't. Glad it worked out for you, but don't call parents that medicate their kids drug happy.

kiwimoogle84: No you're fine. :) I'm referring to parents who simply go well, let's drug the kid so he's easier to deal with. There was a news story about a little girl who had NO medical problems and the parents drugged her to get government money and killed her. That thing pisses me off to no end.

So, you're equating some psychopath of a parent who poisoned their child, with a parent of an ADHD kid using an effective treatment? No, I'm not sure we're fine here.