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(Yahoo)   Cincinnati Reds take big step to ensure their players will be able to watch not just 2010 World Series, but 2011 and 2012 Series as well, on TV in the comfort of their own homes rather than having to play the series on the field   (sports.yahoo.com ) divider line 40
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2010-10-05 03:33:26 PM  
They'll be sitting home this time next week watching what could have been. Starting Volquez tomorrow. WTF Baker!!!!?
 
2010-10-05 03:56:14 PM  

WTFDYW: They'll be sitting home this time next week watching what could have been. Starting Volquez tomorrow. WTF Baker!!!!?


If Baker was still managing the Giants (and praise Jeebus that he isn't), he would probably start Barry Zito in Game 1 of their series Thursday.

Anyway, if this were a regular season game, would Volquez be next in the regular rotation? Because I can't see Baker actually skipping a pitcher's turn. Baker's sole criterion in making pitching and line-up decisions is the following:

"Wow, if I pull [insert name of player here] he might get pissed at me. Then one of my players won't think of me as their buddy and 'one of the guys, so my whole reason for existing will vanish."

Baker's sole concern as manager is to be "one of the guys" who the players all think of as a "cool dude." If that means losing a game, a series, or a championship, then so be it.
 
2010-10-05 04:12:23 PM  
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding.

You are correct.
 
2010-10-05 04:24:39 PM  
As opposed to all their other managers who had them watching the entire playoffs from their couch?
 
2010-10-05 04:27:45 PM  
Wow, talk about a trolleriffic headline. Baker just got them to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years, I think they'll reward him.
 
2010-10-05 04:30:58 PM  

Cyberluddite: Anyway, if this were a regular season game, would Volquez be next in the regular rotation? Because I can't see Baker actually skipping a pitcher's turn. Baker's sole criterion in making pitching and line-up decisions is the following:


No. Volquez would have been the pitcher Sunday for final reg season game. They ran Harang out Sunday so Volquez could pitch game 1

/was actually at game
//GO BIG RED!
 
2010-10-05 04:32:51 PM  

McManus_brothers: Wow, talk about a trolleriffic headline. Baker just got them to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years, I think they'll reward him.


Just wait until Chapman's arm falls off midway through 2011. That will be the real "reward."
 
2010-10-05 04:33:36 PM  
Did he find a way to add Neifi Perez to the postseason roster so he can play him every goddamn game?
 
2010-10-05 04:40:33 PM  

williamzabka: Did he find a way to add Neifi Perez to the postseason roster so he can play him every goddamn game?


Dusty seems to be over that. The Reds this year let rookies start at the damnedest times, who would then do something brilliant time and time again.

Seriously, it was as if Dusty were good at this. I'm still confused.
 
2010-10-05 04:43:50 PM  
I'm usually not a "my headline was better" guy, but this is horrid compared to what I submitted yesterday.

/not bitter, just shaking my head
 
2010-10-05 04:56:07 PM  

Cyberluddite: If Baker was still managing the Giants (and praise Jeebus that he isn't), he would probably start Barry Zito in Game 1 of their series Thursday. Barry Zito's arm would have fallen off from sheer overuse 2 weeks ago


Fixed that for ya.
 
2010-10-05 04:59:01 PM  

The Bestest: I'm usually not a "my headline was better" guy, but this is horrid compared to what I submitted yesterday.

/not bitter, just shaking my head


Well, here's your chance to get that "Wow! That was a great headline!" you're wanting so bad
 
2010-10-05 05:03:47 PM  

Lost Thought 00: As opposed to all their other managers who had them watching the entire playoffs from their couch?


This year, the Reds have some talented players (including the consensus MVP of the NL). They won their division in spite of, not because of, Dusty Baker. Now, if history is any indication, you'll get to see some true mismanagement (especially of the pitching staff), which is always more glaringly apparent in a short series. You'll see.
 
2010-10-05 05:18:03 PM  

McManus_brothers: talk about a trolleriffic headline. Baker just got them to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years, I think they'll reward


+1

signed,

A Cubs Fan
 
2010-10-05 05:21:42 PM  
This is how the headline should have been written:

Cincinnati Reds take big step to ensure their pitchers will be able to watch 2011 and 2012 seasons on TV in the comfort of their own homes rather than having to play the series on the field due to being overworked.

Ask Jason Schmidt, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Rob Nen, etc.
 
2010-10-05 05:39:20 PM  
The Reds make the playoffs in the first time in 15 years and you want to fire the manager?

You only have 1 SP with more than 200ip. The workload has not been the issue. (this time)

Dusty's been working with a staff full of 3rd starters. No Cincy SP has a lower ERA than 3.50.

Why not start Volquez? Do you think you are going to beat Cy Roy?

Philles will win game one even if you had an "Ace".

Dusty's playing the odds that you'll have a better chance to win game 2-4.

Phillies in 3 and Dusty isn't to blame.

Go Giants!
 
2010-10-05 05:58:16 PM  
I'm a Reds fan and I have no problem with Baker managing the team for 2 more years. I'm also not usually a big believer in, this guy hasn't won a championship so that means he never will! type of thinking.
 
2010-10-05 06:00:57 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: Well, here's your chance to get that "Wow! That was a great headline!" you're wanting so bad


heh.. "Dusty conditions to persist in Cincinnati through 2012"

Its not great, in fact, I think it sucks.
But this is worse.
 
2010-10-05 06:40:32 PM  
Dusty Baker's .522 career record as a manager, and the fact that his teams have finished first or second in 10 out of 17 years, leave no doubt that he is absolutely the worst manager in the history of baseball.
 
2010-10-05 06:41:08 PM  
As with most random hate on Fark I just don't get the amount of Dusty Baker hatred around here. I can see where he may have overworked some young pitchers on the Cubs but I also believe that could have gone either way.

As iggyfenton pointed out, he hasen't been running down any of the Reds pitchers this season and for all the Chapman comments about how "Baker will kill his arm" he isn't even using Chapman as a starter which is what he was signed to do.

If the Phillies DO knock the Reds out it will not be for any pitching moves Baker does. It will be due to Philly having 3 aces to run out against us in a short series but all of Farkdom will go into a BAKER IZ TEH SUCKZZZZ!!!1!! frenzy and act like they told us so.

As a Reds fan I'm not exactly enamored with Dusty but it feels like most of Fark would whine about him even if he got the Pirates to the postseason. After 15 seasons of missing the playoffs, some with pretty good teams, I believe he has done an excellent job in finally getting Cincy back to the dance.

/hold the hate till after the playoffs
 
2010-10-05 06:47:35 PM  
Baker's a good manager, not doubt, but as a Giants fan I have to harbor a certain smoldering anger at him for letting Ortiz keep that goddam game ball (or for pulling him in the first place).
 
2010-10-05 06:50:08 PM  

CheddarPants: Dusty Baker's .522 career record as a manager, and the fact that his teams have finished first or second in 10 out of 17 years, leave no doubt that he is absolutely the worst manager in the history of baseball.


Note the universal reaction of Giants and Cubs fans--the ones who have had the greatest exposure to him--about Dusty Baker. You, too, will come around. He has been fortunate enough to manage teams that were loaded with talented players--teams that probably would've made the postseason even if you or I had been managing them. And once they got to the postseason and had to compete against other talented teams--a situation in which management skill or lack thereof is much more likely to win or lose a series--he has consistently mismanaged his teams, badly enough to ensure they lost.

You're saying the same kinds of things Giants fans said about Baker a year or two into his management of the Giants, and the same kinds of things Cubs fans said about him a year or two in with the Cubs. You will learn, as Giants and Cubs fans have, that Baker simply does not have what it takes to take a team all the way, regardless of the team's talent.

Nice guy, though. Which is really all he cares about.
 
2010-10-05 07:02:44 PM  
The funny thing is that anyone here thinks Cincinnati will be mad at Baker, or anyone else connected to this organization, if the Reds don't win the World Series.

Most of us couldn't be prouder of this team.

Seriously, as much the focus now is on the postseason, we need to get Joey locked up long term. Give him a deal like Pujols is coming off of with a no-trade clause, back load it so that we can keep the core around a few more years and shoot for a couple more titles!

/Money's easy with Harang off the books.
 
2010-10-05 07:16:52 PM  

the1hatman: As with most random hate on Fark I just don't get the amount of Dusty Baker hatred around here. I can see where he may have overworked some young pitchers on the Cubs but I also believe that could have gone either way.


As a Giants fan, I could go on and on. But Exhibit "A" is the 2002 World Series. A series that the Giants were 9 outs away from winning in Game 6--ahead 5-0 in the 7th inning of that game while up 3-2 in the series. But Baker's complete mismanagement of the pitching staff cost them that game, the next game, and the series.

When you're up in Game 6 of the World Series, or at any time in Game 7 of the World Series, as the manager you have act as if every goddamn pitcher on the team--starters and relievers alike--can be called on to come in to pitch at any time, because it's not like you need to save them for next week's game. And you have to have a quick hook and immediately pull a pitcher when he even sniffs trouble--this is no time to worry about hurting a pitcher's feelings. But that's not in Baker's genetic makeup. As I said in a post above, it's more important to him to be thought of as a "cool dude" and "one of the guys," and he won't risk that by potentially pissing off a pitcher by taking him out before the pitcher thinks he's ready to come out. It's more important to him to be "one of the guys" than the win the farking game. The dude has obviously got some kind of emotional issues.

In Game 6 of the 2002 WS, with the Giants up 5-0 in the 7th, Baker let the starter, Russ Ortiz, get lit up like a Christmas tree and give up 3 runs in 1/3 of an inning before he pulled him. In the 8th, he let the reliever, Todd Worrell, give up 3 runs without even recording an out before he went out to get him. The Angels scored 6 runs over the course of 3 outs (the last of which proved to be the winning run), with Baker sitting on his ample ass and letting two pitchers get smacked around like pinatas, when he had every goddamn pitcher on the roster, including the starters, available to come in and try to nail down a farking World Series victory right then and there. Completely inexcusable.

Then, in Game 7, he chooses to start Livan Farking Hernandez, of all people, who had been looking like a batting practice pitcher down the stretch. (Can't skip Livan's turn and potentially piss him off of course--Dusty might not be thought of as "one of the guys" then!) Of course, the Angels smacked Hernandez around like a red-headed stepchild. Baker again sat there and didn't pull him--didn't even have anyone warming up on the bullpen for most of the time he was getting smacked around, in fact--while Hernandez proceeded to give up 3 runs in the third (after giving up one in the second) without retiring anybody. Yeah, shiat, it's only the 7th game of the World Series and the last game of the season--don't want to go the bullpen too early, huh? After he mercifully gave Hernanez the hook, the rest of the Giants' pitching staff shut the Angels down and gave up no runs and only 1 hit the rest of the way, but the damage was done and the Giants lost 4-1.

It was pure mismanagement that deprived me of the only realistic change I've had in my entire life thus far to see my time win the World Series. And for that, that son of biatch Dusty Baker can suck my dick.
 
2010-10-05 07:39:30 PM  

WTFDYW: They'll be sitting home this time next week watching what could have been. Starting Volquez tomorrow. WTF Baker!!!!?


I actually get this move by Baker. Volquez does tend to do well against left handed hitters, and several of the Phil's best hitters are lefties- Howard, Utley, and Ibanez.
Might not help them much considering the Phils still have Werth hitting pretty well from the right side.
 
2010-10-05 07:41:18 PM  
Bochy is worse.
 
2010-10-05 07:42:44 PM  

zarberg: Barry Zito's arm would have fallen off from sheer overuse 2 weeks ago


And that would be bad how?
 
2010-10-05 08:12:56 PM  

Cyberluddite: the1hatman: As with most random hate on Fark I just don't get the amount of Dusty Baker hatred around here. I can see where he may have overworked some young pitchers on the Cubs but I also believe that could have gone either way.

As a Giants fan, I could go on and on. But Exhibit "A" is the 2002 World Series. A series that the Giants were 9 outs away from winning in Game 6--ahead 5-0 in the 7th inning of that game while up 3-2 in the series. But Baker's complete mismanagement of the pitching staff cost them that game, the next game, and the series.

When you're up in Game 6 of the World Series, or at any time in Game 7 of the World Series, as the manager you have act as if every goddamn pitcher on the team--starters and relievers alike--can be called on to come in to pitch at any time, because it's not like you need to save them for next week's game. And you have to have a quick hook and immediately pull a pitcher when he even sniffs trouble--this is no time to worry about hurting a pitcher's feelings. But that's not in Baker's genetic makeup. As I said in a post above, it's more important to him to be thought of as a "cool dude" and "one of the guys," and he won't risk that by potentially pissing off a pitcher by taking him out before the pitcher thinks he's ready to come out. It's more important to him to be "one of the guys" than the win the farking game. The dude has obviously got some kind of emotional issues.

In Game 6 of the 2002 WS, with the Giants up 5-0 in the 7th, Baker let the starter, Russ Ortiz, get lit up like a Christmas tree and give up 3 runs in 1/3 of an inning before he pulled him. In the 8th, he let the reliever, Todd Worrell, give up 3 runs without even recording an out before he went out to get him. The Angels scored 6 runs over the course of 3 outs (the last of which proved to be the winning run), with Baker sitting on his ample ass and letting two pitchers get smacked around like pinatas, when he had every goddamn pitcher on the roster, including the starters, available to come in and try to nail down a farking World Series victory right then and there. Completely inexcusable.

Then, in Game 7, he chooses to start Livan Farking Hernandez, of all people, who had been looking like a batting practice pitcher down the stretch. (Can't skip Livan's turn and potentially piss him off of course--Dusty might not be thought of as "one of the guys" then!) Of course, the Angels smacked Hernandez around like a red-headed stepchild. Baker again sat there and didn't pull him--didn't even have anyone warming up on the bullpen for most of the time he was getting smacked around, in fact--while Hernandez proceeded to give up 3 runs in the third (after giving up one in the second) without retiring anybody. Yeah, shiat, it's only the 7th game of the World Series and the last game of the season--don't want to go the bullpen too early, huh? After he mercifully gave Hernanez the hook, the rest of the Giants' pitching staff shut the Angels down and gave up no runs and only 1 hit the rest of the way, but the damage was done and the Giants lost 4-1.

It was pure mismanagement that deprived me of the only realistic change I've had in my entire life thus far to see my time win the World Series. And for that, that son of biatch Dusty Baker can suck my dick.


You posted this in an earlier Reds thread today. I just wanted to point that out because there's some revisionist's history going on with your post.

Russ Ortiz gave up a couple singles in the 7th inning of Game 6 in the 2002 World Series. Baker pulled him at this point for Felix Rodriguez (which is the real reason people were pissed with Baker, as he handed the ball back to Ortiz after taking it from him since he thought they had the game in hand and would win, so he wanted Russ to have a souvenir). Felix gave up a 3-run shot to Scott Spezio.

Next inning in the 8th, Worrell gave up a solo shot to Erstad, then a single to Salmon, Figgins pinch ran, then Anderson hit a single to Bonds in left which he misplayed horribly into a double for runners at 2nd and 3rd. Baker pulled Worrell at this point and put in Nen. It was Nen who gave up the game-winning double to Glaus.

I'm just sayin', if you're going to copy pasta the same story to different threads, you may want to check your facts.

Also, the Angels were a better team than the Giants. 3 rookies and Troy Percival outpitched their staff in Game 7.
 
2010-10-05 08:32:33 PM  
As a carrot, I would have held the two year contract extension until AFTER the play off season just to keep him in check.
 
2010-10-05 10:03:50 PM  

red5ish: Bochy is worse.


Bochy, for all of his veteran-loving faults, has masterfully managed this pitching staff this year. not one significant DL stint for anyone - generally fresh arms all around that have delivered the best ERA in the NL
 
2010-10-05 11:43:48 PM  

Cyberluddite: i hate Dusty rant


Questionable moves for sure. I guess I'll have to hope that, since this is 8 years later and all, he has learned from past mistakes.

I guess my question to for all the venom spewers around here would be this; How may of you would eat crow should Baker lead the Reds past the Phillies?
Or to the World Series?
Or God forbid he wins it all?

I bet it's the same number that believed the Baker-led Reds would knock off the Cardinals for the division crown before the season started.
 
2010-10-06 02:47:58 AM  
I hate to admit this, but Dusty is learning stuff. Left kids in when they were sucking, where previously, whoever was over thirty would have played long stretches. Actually had a variety of leadoff men, instead of a 250 OPS center fielder. The only thing that really pissed me off was running Codero out there when he isn't fooling anybody with that dead straight fastball on the corner. That may have come from above though, 180K an inning is a powerful argument.
 
2010-10-06 09:19:41 AM  

jonmurr: I hate to admit this, but Dusty is learning stuff. Left kids in when they were sucking, where previously, whoever was over thirty would have played long stretches. Actually had a variety of leadoff men, instead of a 250 OPS center fielder. The only thing that really pissed me off was running Codero out there when he isn't fooling anybody with that dead straight fastball on the corner. That may have come from above though, 180K an inning is a powerful argument.


40 saves, third in the NL. He's fooling somebody.
 
2010-10-06 02:00:56 PM  
It's cute that the whiny Cardinal fans of the whiny Cardinals got to have a little thread to whine.
 
2010-10-06 05:54:28 PM  
Yep. Looks like a farking cooker.
 
2010-10-06 05:56:33 PM  
Sonofabiatch. I farking knew he shouldn't have put Voquez in there.

4-0 Phillies and Volquez is out already. Couldn't get the third out and bases are still loaded.

Thanks Crusty Baker.
 
2010-10-06 05:58:51 PM  
He should have started with Wood to begin with.

/He's got wood.
 
2010-10-06 06:21:00 PM  

WTFDYW: Sonofabiatch. I farking knew he shouldn't have put Voquez in there.

4-0 Phillies and Volquez is out already. Couldn't get the third out and bases are still loaded.

Thanks Crusty Baker.


Um....4-0 or 1-0 you're not going to beat Halladay anyway. Might as well throw your 3rd starter to the wolves.
 
2010-10-06 06:24:52 PM  

Cyberluddite: the1hatman: As with most random hate on Fark I just don't get the amount of Dusty Baker hatred around here. I can see where he may have overworked some young pitchers on the Cubs but I also believe that could have gone either way.

As a Giants fan, I could go on and on. But Exhibit "A" is the 2002 World Series. A series that the Giants were 9 outs away from winning in Game 6--ahead 5-0 in the 7th inning of that game while up 3-2 in the series. But Baker's complete mismanagement of the pitching staff cost them that game, the next game, and the series.

When you're up in Game 6 of the World Series, or at any time in Game 7 of the World Series, as the manager you have act as if every goddamn pitcher on the team--starters and relievers alike--can be called on to come in to pitch at any time, because it's not like you need to save them for next week's game. And you have to have a quick hook and immediately pull a pitcher when he even sniffs trouble--this is no time to worry about hurting a pitcher's feelings. But that's not in Baker's genetic makeup. As I said in a post above, it's more important to him to be thought of as a "cool dude" and "one of the guys," and he won't risk that by potentially pissing off a pitcher by taking him out before the pitcher thinks he's ready to come out. It's more important to him to be "one of the guys" than the win the farking game. The dude has obviously got some kind of emotional issues.

In Game 6 of the 2002 WS, with the Giants up 5-0 in the 7th, Baker let the starter, Russ Ortiz, get lit up like a Christmas tree and give up 3 runs in 1/3 of an inning before he pulled him. In the 8th, he let the reliever, Todd Worrell, give up 3 runs without even recording an out before he went out to get him. The Angels scored 6 runs over the course of 3 outs (the last of which proved to be the winning run), with Baker sitting on his ample ass and letting two pitchers get smacked around like pinatas, when he had every goddamn pitcher on the roster, including the starters, available to come in and try to nail down a farking World Series victory right then and there. Completely inexcusable.

Then, in Game 7, he chooses to start Livan Farking Hernandez, of all people, who had been looking like a batting practice pitcher down the stretch. (Can't skip Livan's turn and potentially piss him off of course--Dusty might not be thought of as "one of the guys" then!) Of course, the Angels smacked Hernandez around like a red-headed stepchild. Baker again sat there and didn't pull him--didn't even have anyone warming up on the bullpen for most of the time he was getting smacked around, in fact--while Hernandez proceeded to give up 3 runs in the third (after giving up one in the second) without retiring anybody. Yeah, shiat, it's only the 7th game of the World Series and the last game of the season--don't want to go the bullpen too early, huh? After he mercifully gave Hernanez the hook, the rest of the Giants' pitching staff shut the Angels down and gave up no runs and only 1 hit the rest of the way, but the damage was done and the Giants lost 4-1.

It was pure mismanagement that deprived me of the only realistic change I've had in my entire life thus far to see my time win the World Series. And for that, that son of biatch Dusty Baker can suck my dick.


I'm a Giants fan and I remember these events as well. But I'm not going to hang Dusty for the faults of this team.

The Giants lost a heartbreaker, but who's to say that it turns out differently if he doesn't make those moves.

Hindsight is 20/20.
 
2010-10-06 07:46:32 PM  
Roy thorw No-No...

I bet you are glad you didn't waste a good SP on that game.
 
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