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2010-10-03 06:19:20 PM  

Penman: jtown: Obviously, the guy got out of the van. That makes him the initial physical aggressor. (Actually, "them" and "aggressors" since there were two of them.) Some bike nut spitting on your vehicle isn't a threat to your person or property.

I'll just spit on your car/bike next time you come by. There's not a damn thing you can do about it, right?


Go ahead. I'll drive away happy knowing my life is so much better than yours.
 
2010-10-03 06:19:40 PM  

rebelyell2006: johnny_vegas: So if someone damaged your van and was then riding away from you, you would shoot them in the back. Good luck with that...please explain how that is:
1. not cowardly
2. not illegal
3. in any way responsible?

Hit and runs are a pain in the ass for drivers and insurance companies. At least they will have the cowardly asshole so he can pay for van repairs.


And you will be in jail for attempted murder.
 
2010-10-03 06:21:27 PM  
Sometimes before I get into my truck or on my bike, I kind of say to myself:

"I will let nobody piss me off"

/works
 
2010-10-03 06:23:13 PM  

studebaker hoch: Sounds like you passed a very hard test.


I've been extremely lucky that they don't come more often, heh.

And honestly, I think I was lucky that morning. If I'd been a little more tired or just paying a little bit less attention... well.
 
2010-10-03 06:23:53 PM  

jtown: Mock26: OK, it is hard to determine if the van swerving "at" him was intentional or not. The van driver could have been swerving to avoid a rough spot in the road. Nor do we know how close the van came to the cyclist. Hard to judge who was in the wrong on this one. Given the way some cyclists act like they own the roads and given the way that some drivers act like cyclists are nothing but moving targets I will going to call this one a tie.

No, it's pretty easy. How did the bicyclist manage to hit a guy in a van with a chain? You'd think a van would be able to quickly outpace a dude on a bike.

Obviously, the guy got out of the van. That makes him the initial physical aggressor. (Actually, "them" and "aggressors" since there were two of them.) Some bike nut spitting on your vehicle isn't a threat to your person or property.


I am not talking about that part of the story.

From the article: "He said he was headed to work when the van swerved at him, which upset him." I was commenting on whether or not this was intentional or accidental.
 
2010-10-03 06:25:22 PM  

Penman: Mykeru: Motorists: Fat, entitled, arrogant little scrotum-headed bastards with atrophied and dysfunctional weenies. [pic of fat bald douche with a Hummer™]

How do you know he doesn't live and work in the wilderness? That's the only reason one would need a land barge like that.


Still unnecessary, in fact the entire brand is not needed unless you are involved in a conventional armed conflict circa 1990s. That is why the brand has shut down production for good.
 
2010-10-03 06:26:11 PM  
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"Dude, those guys were redneck Farktards.
My little bro was like, freaking, y'know?"
 
2010-10-03 06:27:54 PM  

Mock26: rebelyell2006: johnny_vegas: So if someone damaged your van and was then riding away from you, you would shoot them in the back. Good luck with that...please explain how that is:
1. not cowardly
2. not illegal
3. in any way responsible?

Hit and runs are a pain in the ass for drivers and insurance companies. At least they will have the cowardly asshole so he can pay for van repairs.

And you will be in jail for attempted murder.


The further you escalate an incident, the worse the consequences can be.
 
2010-10-03 06:32:06 PM  
Cyclometh:

I rode in Philadelphia for many years, so I know about heavy traffic, believe me. The thing is, I used to be much less willing to break the laws of the road to keep myself safe. I'd sit in my lane, pass on the left, stay 3 seconds behind... Now, I don't really consider myself as part of the traffic. I act as though everyone is trying to kill me, and basically just find the clear line no matter how I have to drive to do it.

I probably piss a lot of people off on the highway, but after all of the effort I've wasted trying to make other people better drivers by setting an example and then almost getting killed for it, I just don't care anymore. They're too busy texting and driving to notice me anyway.
 
2010-10-03 06:32:52 PM  
From the article: "He said he was headed to work when the van swerved at him, which upset him."

WHY
why did the van swerve at him?
couple of possible reasons:
1) driver was a complete dick and swerved for no reason
2) cyclist was a complete dick and was asking for it

as a driving and a cyclist I have seen both cases.

/if you expect to be treated civilly, then you better follow the rules of civilization.
/ride the wrong way on a one way street? welcome to my forearm.
 
2010-10-03 06:35:15 PM  

Cyclometh: studebaker hoch: Doing the smart thing while Incredibly Angry can take everything you have. We can't think worth a damn in those moments.

Very true. I've really had some moments in Seattle traffic. I've always managed to keep it in check, but there was once this coont in an Escalade with a phone jammed in her ear blew past me in a merge lane and came left, forcing me to drive on the white lane line and duck- because a semi was going by on the left and his mirrors would take my head off. My right handlebar was in front of her mirror, so I couldn't slow down or I'd be tumbled and I couldn't go left because this double-box trailer was 3 inches from my left handlebar.

Traffic was stopped ahead and once I got away from the situation I had to pull off the road and wait to calm down, because I found I was actually preparing to smash her window open, drag her out and literally throw her under a bus. The old canard of "seeing red" is literally true in the right circumstances.

I was shaking for 20 minutes, and can only recall a few other situations where I was that jacked up. I'm grateful to this day I was able to maintain some semblance of sanity.


Yeah, I stopped commuting on my bike. I made the mistake of counting how many times I had to take evasive action to avoid getting killed (or at least knocked down) during my commute. Averaged once per day on the 8 mile stretch of freeway. Evasive action = speed up, slow down, or swerve to avoid someone attempting to merge into me. Towards the end, I actually had some dude in a Prius bank hard to the left into my lane. I hit the horn and waved a hand at him. He gave me the "oh shiat!" look, straightened out, and lifted a hand off the wheel to indicate he'd seen me...THEN RESUMED MERGING INTO MY LANE!

The only thing that kept me from smashing his mirror was the knowledge that my new car was just a few days from port and I only had to get through another week of motorcycle commuting at most. "Don't blow it now." Unlike the idea of some loser impotently spitting on my car, I take it real personal when some jackass endangers my life.
 
2010-10-03 06:36:14 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: but after all of the effort I've wasted trying to make other people better drivers by setting an example and then almost getting killed for it, I just don't care anymore. They're too busy texting and driving to notice me anyway.


and in the end, this it what it is all about defensive driving/riding.
I dont want my car scratched and I dont want to become a wet spot, so I pay attention.

the rest of the them, farkem, they are just bonus points.

/favorite trick while crossing a busy street? trying to get tards (people who are focused on their phone/ipod) killed by walking out into traffic and watching them follow without looking.
 
2010-10-03 06:37:06 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: Cyclometh:

I rode in Philadelphia for many years, so I know about heavy traffic, believe me. The thing is, I used to be much less willing to break the laws of the road to keep myself safe. I'd sit in my lane, pass on the left, stay 3 seconds behind... Now, I don't really consider myself as part of the traffic. I act as though everyone is trying to kill me, and basically just find the clear line no matter how I have to drive to do it.

I probably piss a lot of people off on the highway, but after all of the effort I've wasted trying to make other people better drivers by setting an example and then almost getting killed for it, I just don't care anymore. They're too busy texting and driving to notice me anyway.


So because some people use text messaging while driving, you have decided to ride your bicycle irresponsibly, creating massive risks for us responsible drivers? You are a dick.
 
2010-10-03 06:40:31 PM  

jtown: Unlike the idea of some loser impotently spitting on my car, I take it real personal when some jackass endangers my life.


I wonder about this alot.
at what point does getting on a bike/cycle/scooter basically imply that you are endangering your own life to start with?
sure, I know that there are laws and we should be safe, but ...
in the end, doing these things in traffic are more unsafe than the bus/cab/car ...
how much are we personally responsible for the increased danger, given that the average tard has an IQ below 100 and is still driving .....

that being said, I always road on the bike path by the lake, which general is free of cars ... generally ....

/dont get me started on the bike thing they do on fridays where they take over the street and ignores the traffic lights. shoot them all.
 
2010-10-03 06:42:02 PM  

namatad: 2) cyclist was a complete dick and was asking for it


This is the part of your comment that draws a reflexive "fark you" response from my old courier days.

What could a cyclist possibly do in traffic that would justify someone intentionally swinging a deadly weapon at him? That's what "swerving at him" is. It's tantamount to waving a gun in his general direction and pulling the trigger. There's no excuse for that. You're in the 3000 lb vehicle- it's your responsibility to remember that and act accordingly. Bumping a cyclist, even gently, isn't like bumping another car. It's basically attempted murder.
 
2010-10-03 06:47:15 PM  
Most rational bike thread ever?
 
2010-10-03 06:47:25 PM  

letitbeirie: johnny_vegas: Molavian: Cyclometh: Molavian: I am waiter hear me roar: This cyclist is an idiot. If someone in a van decides to get cute in traffic because they think they're safe in their multi-ton vehicle, you shouldn't spit on them. Instead, just smash their side view mirror with your bike lock, and turn up the next one-way street against traffic.

Bye asshole, enjoy your repair bill. Next time keep your distance.

Enjoy the hospital bill from having a 115 grain 9mm bullet extracted from your ass.

Enjoy the pudding in the prison infirmary while having a broken chair leg shoved up there by "Bruno the biatch" extracted from your ass.

I live in rural Wisconsin. If someone were to assault me with a bike lock I can defend myself. No ITG here, just a statement of plain fact.

So if someone damaged your van and was then riding away from you, you would shoot them in the back. Good luck with that...please explain how that is:
1. not cowardly
2. not illegal
3. in any way responsible?

And smashing a mirror because a van violated your personal bubble is?

/malicious destruction of property is a misdemeanor 1 most places
//riding off can make it a felony


so you are in favor of someone killing someone else in cold blood because they damaged their van mirror?

/you need to keep your argument in context of the entire post
 
2010-10-03 06:48:58 PM  
Gee, sounds like the entitlement-minded whiny cyclists in Seattle that get pissed off over someone DARING to drive a car near their sacred bike lane, doesn't give a rats ass about laws of the road, and gleefully runs down pedestrians with the same gusto they claim cars are trying to run THEM down.

When I drive to work, I hate cyclists who weave all over the road because they believe they're entitled to.

When I take the bus to work, I hate cyclists who pay absolutely no attention to pedestrians except to snarl profanities.

I know a lot of responsible cyclists. But there's a few arrogant prima-donas who act entitled to the roads and screw anyone sharing them or crossing them. (Seattle's mayor seems to be one of them.)
 
2010-10-03 06:49:02 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: namatad: 2) cyclist was a complete dick and was asking for it

This is the part of your comment that draws a reflexive "fark you" response from my old courier days.

What could a cyclist possibly do in traffic that would justify someone intentionally swinging a deadly weapon at him? That's what "swerving at him" is. It's tantamount to waving a gun in his general direction and pulling the trigger. There's no excuse for that. You're in the 3000 lb vehicle- it's your responsibility to remember that and act accordingly. Bumping a cyclist, even gently, isn't like bumping another car. It's basically attempted murder.


oh I agree that it is attempted murder.
but you have to admit, that couriers are barely human. (at least here in chicago)
they could give a flying fark about any traffic laws, so why should we treat them as citizens? they are outlaws.

dont care that they think this and that and how hard that and and and
in the end, they are ignoring all the laws and putting other peoples' lives at risk.

you swerve to avoid the idiot riding through the light and you hit and kill someone. all your fault ...even though there was nothing you could do ....
so, I dont swerve, I barely slow down.
couple brown short days and maybe ahole will start stopping at red lights ... or a bus will solve the problem soon enough ...

so yah, it is an INSANE moral ethical question and in the end, courier's life is worth less than everyone else on the street who is following the rules ...

/should you swerve to hit them, no ... do we think about it? yes ...
/would be interesting to put up a camera at one of the "good" intersections downtown and count the number of people who need killing and why. we need data!!
/article for the next freakonomics book
 
2010-10-03 06:49:43 PM  

rebelyell2006: So because some people use text messaging while driving, you have decided to ride your bicycle irresponsibly motorcycle aggressively, creating massive risks for us responsible drivers? You are a dick.


FTFY, and maybe I am, but it's because that's what it takes to stay alive around you thoughtless, self-absorbed, unaware cage-monkeys. If you see the way I ride and it startles you into attentiveness, all the better.
 
2010-10-03 06:51:25 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: namatad: 2) cyclist was a complete dick and was asking for it

This is the part of your comment that draws a reflexive "fark you" response from my old courier days.

What could a cyclist possibly do in traffic that would justify someone intentionally swinging a deadly weapon at him? That's what "swerving at him" is. It's tantamount to waving a gun in his general direction and pulling the trigger. There's no excuse for that. You're in the 3000 lb vehicle- it's your responsibility to remember that and act accordingly. Bumping a cyclist, even gently, isn't like bumping another car. It's basically attempted murder.


I posted a link earlier, I'll post it again. He also was convicted in 2005 under ORS 811346 in 2005 for misusing the left turn lane. Until we know all the facts, I'd say you shouldn't automatically side with him because he was on a bicycle. Consider the possibility that he lied to the police, and in reality cut off the van or some other asshole move.
 
2010-10-03 06:53:51 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: namatad: 2) cyclist was a complete dick and was asking for it

This is the part of your comment that draws a reflexive "fark you" response from my old courier days.

What could a cyclist possibly do in traffic that would justify someone intentionally swinging a deadly weapon at him? That's what "swerving at him" is. It's tantamount to waving a gun in his general direction and pulling the trigger. There's no excuse for that. You're in the 3000 lb vehicle- it's your responsibility to remember that and act accordingly. Bumping a cyclist, even gently, isn't like bumping another car. It's basically attempted murder.


That's my take on it. I'm strictly a cager - haven't ridden in years - but I'm extremely careful of cyclists. If I'm next to a bicyclist in traffic, and i screw up, or he screws up and I'm not alert enough to avoid him - my car's dented, and he's maybe dead or crippled. I don't care to live with that. My time, my "territory", my pride - they aren't worth somebody's life.
I have a little trick, when I find myself in tight traffic with a cyclist - I pretend that they are inside an invisible box the size of a small car, and I give that imaginary box as much room as I would a car. It creates a margin for error. And you need it - urban traffic is full of terrible drivers, horrible cyclists, and idiot pedestrians.
Let's face it - all that matters is for everybody to stay safe - it's not my job to educate every rude or incompetent driver or cyclist I encounter.
 
2010-10-03 06:53:54 PM  
here's hoping more bicycle road hogs get bumped.
 
2010-10-03 06:54:28 PM  

rebelyell2006: I posted a link earlier, I'll post it again. He also was convicted in 2005 under ORS 811346 in 2005 for misusing the left turn lane. Until we know all the facts, I'd say you shouldn't automatically side with him because he was on a bicycle. Consider the possibility that he lied to the police, and in reality cut off the van or some other asshole move.


how bad do you have to be to have been convicted twice before ??
 
2010-10-03 06:54:54 PM  

trentrockport: PacManDreaming: ArkAngel: jehovahs witness protection: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Oh, a bike thread. We don't get enough of these.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

My personal favorite threads are the child support/alimony ones

The "who tips and who doesn't tip" ones are pretty good.

Cannabis threads. After all, it's 4:20 somewhere.


Are we forgetting the furry-bashing threads?
 
2010-10-03 06:55:23 PM  
I've been riding around a lot in small town Wyoming lately. I admit, I sometimes only track-stand at intersections, rather than putting a foot down, but I'm neurotic about signaling, only leave the bike lane to make a left turn, and obey the posted signs. I've lost count of the number of times I've dodged some jackass riding his fixe or cruiser down the bike lane in the wrong direction, or doesn't even pause at a stop sign (especially when its not a four-way stop), or goes at road speed on the sidewalk. The latter is especially irritating when I'm walking around town. Incredibly, I've also been nearly run down after safely and legally entering intersections. What I can only conclude is this: every motorist is expecting every cyclist to be a total jackass, and is acting accordingly. In response, to stay alive, every cyclist must be willing to ignore the laws. Which means more cyclists are acting like jackasses, which means more motorists expect cyclists to be jackasses. Its a big, self-propagating mess. It certainly does not help that in places like Portland, there is a strong militant-bicyclist contingent (didn't one of their activists get pulled out of his car and beaten to death by a bicyclist a few years back?) which is no longer acting out of self-preservation, they are actively picking fights.
 
2010-10-03 06:56:22 PM  

jso2897: my car's dented, and he's maybe dead or crippled. I don't care to live with that. My time, my "territory", my pride - they aren't worth somebody's life.
I have a little trick, when I find myself in tight traffic with a cyclist - I pretend that they are inside an invisible box the size of a small car, and I give that imaginary box as much room as I would a car.


this alas is rational.
this is what most same peope do.
alas, the majority of drivers are insane.

but in the end, you stay as far away as possible to avoid damage to your car and the bad karma of the dead body ...
in the end ...
 
2010-10-03 06:58:33 PM  

Uglybarnacle: trentrockport: PacManDreaming: ArkAngel: jehovahs witness protection: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Oh, a bike thread. We don't get enough of these.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

My personal favorite threads are the child support/alimony ones

The "who tips and who doesn't tip" ones are pretty good.

Cannabis threads. After all, it's 4:20 somewhere.

Are we forgetting the furry-bashing threads?


sarah palin/Christine O'Donnell threads ...
 
2010-10-03 06:59:32 PM  
I am waiter hear me roar:
If you see the way I ride and it startles you into attentiveness, all the better.
That. I imagine many drivers benefiting from the display of majesty that is my cycling. Whereas cowering, stopping, staying to right, etc. - all that crap just makes them see cyclists as something to be overpowered.
 
2010-10-03 07:00:30 PM  
After a decade of on-and-off bicycle commuting, I've quit for good.

It is in fact simply too dangerous. Even other cyclists are a menace. For every one careful person, there are nine who seem to be distracted or in a hurry.

Knowing ahead of time that these people are never going away, that the situation will never get any better, I just don't play anymore.

/My "incident" count has dropped to zero since I resumed driving.

//Still ride occasionally :)
 
2010-10-03 07:01:24 PM  

namatad: but you have to admit, that couriers are barely human. (at least here in chicago)
they could give a flying fark about any traffic laws, so why should we treat them as citizens? they are outlaws.


If you mean the ones that blow red lights causing opposing traffic to slam on the brakes to avoid plastering them all over the pavement, then you're absolutely right. I used to blow stop signs, reds and what-have-you all the time, but never in all of the years I rode in the city did I cross an intersection with someone coming. Fark those guys.

If you mean "I'm stuck at this red light with no one coming and I'm jealous that that courier gets to ride right through it, even though he's not endangering anyone", then boo-farking-hoo. That's why couriers ride bikes instead of driving cars: because they can get from A to B in a big city faster than you. Your job isn't to enforce traffic laws just because you're jealous.

The latter scenario is about 1000 times more common than the former in my experience, but then, that was years ago.
 
2010-10-03 07:01:49 PM  

namatad: Uglybarnacle: trentrockport: PacManDreaming: ArkAngel: jehovahs witness protection: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Oh, a bike thread. We don't get enough of these.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

My personal favorite threads are the child support/alimony ones

The "who tips and who doesn't tip" ones are pretty good.

Cannabis threads. After all, it's 4:20 somewhere.

Are we forgetting the furry-bashing threads?

sarah palin/Christine O'Donnell threads ...


Stop. Do not sully this enjoyable thread with the excrement of the Politics Tab.
 
2010-10-03 07:02:42 PM  

namatad: From the article: "He said he was headed to work when the van swerved at him, which upset him."

WHY
why did the van swerve at him?
couple of possible reasons:
1) driver was a complete dick and swerved for no reason
2) cyclist was a complete dick and was asking for it

as a driving and a cyclist I have seen both cases.

/if you expect to be treated civilly, then you better follow the rules of civilization.
/ride the wrong way on a one way street? welcome to my forearm.


3) Driver might have swerved to avoid a rough spot in the road.
 
2010-10-03 07:12:51 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: namatad: but you have to admit, that couriers are barely human. (at least here in chicago)
they could give a flying fark about any traffic laws, so why should we treat them as citizens? they are outlaws.

If you mean the ones that blow red lights causing opposing traffic to slam on the brakes to avoid plastering them all over the pavement, then you're absolutely right. I used to blow stop signs, reds and what-have-you all the time, but never in all of the years I rode in the city did I cross an intersection with someone coming. Fark those guys.


this this and more this

the rest of the time, redlights should be stop signs for everyone ...
FFS, why am I stuck here YET again??? arghhhhh
 
2010-10-03 07:13:25 PM  

rebelyell2006: Until we know all the facts, I'd say you shouldn't automatically side with him because he was on a bicycle.


You shouldn't assume I'm "siding with him" just because I'm not part of the "cyclists are a menace" crowd. I don't really give a damn about this guy in particular. He seems to be just as much at fault as the asshole van driver and his buddy, and lacks street smarts to boot.

What I do care about is the overwhelming disregard that most drivers have for anything on the road that's smaller, slower, and most importantly, more vulnerable than they are. I also care about their sense of entitlement, and their willingness to intentionally distract themselves from driving by talking on cellphones, texting, eating, fiddling with the radio, putting on make-up, reading, taking notes, getting road head, masturbating, and whatever else you can think of.

Car culture has viewed paying close attention to driving as more and more ancillary to the act with every passing generation. The bigger and heavier your vehicle, the more damage you can cause, and the more responsibility you bear for the safety of those around you.
 
2010-10-03 07:13:33 PM  

Mock26: namatad: From the article: "He said he was headed to work when the van swerved at him, which upset him."

WHY
why did the van swerve at him?
couple of possible reasons:
1) driver was a complete dick and swerved for no reason
2) cyclist was a complete dick and was asking for it

as a driving and a cyclist I have seen both cases.

/if you expect to be treated civilly, then you better follow the rules of civilization.
/ride the wrong way on a one way street? welcome to my forearm.

3) Driver might have swerved to avoid a rough spot in the road.


I thought about this ...
but I would bet a million dollars wasnt the case.
 
2010-10-03 07:18:21 PM  

namatad: Uglybarnacle: trentrockport: PacManDreaming: ArkAngel: jehovahs witness protection: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Oh, a bike thread. We don't get enough of these.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

My personal favorite threads are the child support/alimony ones

The "who tips and who doesn't tip" ones are pretty good.

Cannabis threads. After all, it's 4:20 somewhere.

Are we forgetting the furry-bashing threads?

sarah palin/Christine O'Donnell threads ...


Creationism vs evolution
 
2010-10-03 07:20:34 PM  

LordZorch: Bike nazi's all need to have their ass kicked....


Amazingly sane thread, considering it was Godwinned in the initial post.
 
2010-10-03 07:21:25 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: namatad: but you have to admit, that couriers are barely human. (at least here in chicago)
they could give a flying fark about any traffic laws, so why should we treat them as citizens? they are outlaws.

If you mean the ones that blow red lights causing opposing traffic to slam on the brakes to avoid plastering them all over the pavement, then you're absolutely right. I used to blow stop signs, reds and what-have-you all the time, but never in all of the years I rode in the city did I cross an intersection with someone coming. Fark those guys.

If you mean "I'm stuck at this red light with no one coming and I'm jealous that that courier gets to ride right through it, even though he's not endangering anyone", then boo-farking-hoo. That's why couriers ride bikes instead of driving cars: because they can get from A to B in a big city faster than you. Your job isn't to enforce traffic laws just because you're jealous.

The latter scenario is about 1000 times more common than the former in my experience, but then, that was years ago.


Tell you a little CSB about that. I live in Venice, Ca. - it's densely populated, and has a lot of big-footprint buildings on small lots, and a lot of old, narrow streets. this makes for a lot of blind intersections - where you can only see approaching traffic if you are right at the intersections.
About two years ago I was stopped at a stop sign at such an intersection a few blocks from my house, waiting for an approaching truck to pass, when I saw a cyclist approaching in my left rearview - and I realized he was going to blow the stop sign. I stuck my arm out the window, and frantically waved for him to stop - and he responded by flipping me off and shouting an obscenity as he sailed past me - right into the side of the truck, as it came through the intersection. I don't think he even saw it - too busy telling off the "stoopid cager".
He lived - but he was pretty f**ked up.
I gave the cops my name and told them what I saw - and I guess that's how the guy got my number. His lawyer called me a couple months later, and wanted me to testify in a lawsuit the guy was bringing against the driver of the truck. I laughed, and related to him what my testimony would be, if I testified. He thought the better of it, and I never heard from him again. I'm probably lucky he didn't decide to sue me.
 
2010-10-03 07:21:26 PM  

johnny_vegas: letitbeirie: johnny_vegas: Molavian: Cyclometh: Molavian: I am waiter hear me roar: This cyclist is an idiot. If someone in a van decides to get cute in traffic because they think they're safe in their multi-ton vehicle, you shouldn't spit on them. Instead, just smash their side view mirror with your bike lock, and turn up the next one-way street against traffic.

Bye asshole, enjoy your repair bill. Next time keep your distance.

Enjoy the hospital bill from having a 115 grain 9mm bullet extracted from your ass.

Enjoy the pudding in the prison infirmary while having a broken chair leg shoved up there by "Bruno the biatch" extracted from your ass.

I live in rural Wisconsin. If someone were to assault me with a bike lock I can defend myself. No ITG here, just a statement of plain fact.

So if someone damaged your van and was then riding away from you, you would shoot them in the back. Good luck with that...please explain how that is:
1. not cowardly
2. not illegal
3. in any way responsible?

And smashing a mirror because a van violated your personal bubble is?

/malicious destruction of property is a misdemeanor 1 most places
//riding off can make it a felony

so you are in favor of someone killing someone else in cold blood because they damaged their van mirror?

/you need to keep your argument in context of the entire post


Definitely not, but all of the escalations from the pissing match above are serious criminal offenses that carry jail sentences, only the most serious of which is gunning down a cyclist in cold blood. FWIW, striking a moving vehicle with any object (bike lock included) carries a 10 year possible jail term, which here at least is the same class as assault with a deadly weapon.

/it's a shame moving vehicles of all types rob otherwise normal people of any ability for conflict resolution
//"hey buddy watch where you're going"
///"sorry man, I didn't see you there"
////if only it were that easy...
 
2010-10-03 07:23:04 PM  

Mock26: 3) Driver might have swerved to avoid a rough spot in the road.


Hurr! There's a rough spot on the road ahead, and a living human being on a bike to my right... which one should I worry about more?

Gee, I'd better swerve... shocks are expensive, and if I slow down to take the bump at a safe speed, that biker might get ahead of me at the next stop light.
 
2010-10-03 07:24:46 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: Mock26: 3) Driver might have swerved to avoid a rough spot in the road.

Hurr! There's a rough spot on the road ahead, and a living human being on a bike to my right... which one should I worry about more?

Gee, I'd better swerve... shocks are expensive, and if I slow down to take the bump at a safe speed, that biker might get ahead of me at the next stop light.


Derp. The driver might not have noticed the cyclist.
 
2010-10-03 07:25:03 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: rebelyell2006: Until we know all the facts, I'd say you shouldn't automatically side with him because he was on a bicycle.

You shouldn't assume I'm "siding with him" just because I'm not part of the "cyclists are a menace" crowd. I don't really give a damn about this guy in particular. He seems to be just as much at fault as the asshole van driver and his buddy, and lacks street smarts to boot.

What I do care about is the overwhelming disregard that most drivers have for anything on the road that's smaller, slower, and most importantly, more vulnerable than they are. I also care about their sense of entitlement, and their willingness to intentionally distract themselves from driving by talking on cellphones, texting, eating, fiddling with the radio, putting on make-up, reading, taking notes, getting road head, masturbating, and whatever else you can think of.

Car culture has viewed paying close attention to driving as more and more ancillary to the act with every passing generation. The bigger and heavier your vehicle, the more damage you can cause, and the more responsibility you bear for the safety of those around you.


That's not car culture buddy - that's human nature. When people feel safe and invulnerable, they have less regard for others - look how people act on the internet. The way that bad drivers behave towards cyclists is exactly mirrored by the way bad cyclists behave toward pedestrians. Human nature - sad, but true.
 
2010-10-03 07:32:20 PM  
FTFA: Witnesses told police the cyclist was wearing a red Santa-type red and white hat, but police later determined that it was simply a white hat with red markings. http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5665534#b

Ha! The hat, plus the glasses... I'm thinking he was headed to a Where's Waldo convention
 
2010-10-03 07:32:48 PM  

jso2897: Tell you a little CSB about that.


Every intersection in Center City Phila is either a light, or a four-way stop. Blowing 4-ways on a bike is a no-brainer. Either someone's waiting to go, in which case you stop, or no one's waiting, in which case you ride through at a safe pace. You get used to trusting that people will stop pretty quickly.

The city I live in now has a lot of intersections exactly like the one you're talking about. Blind, and opposing traffic has no stop sign. They freak me out, even in my wife's car. I've almost forgotten and made roadkill out of myself a few times.
 
2010-10-03 07:33:58 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: Mock26: 3) Driver might have swerved to avoid a rough spot in the road.

Hurr! There's a rough spot on the road ahead, and a living human being on a bike to my right... which one should I worry about more?

Gee, I'd better swerve... shocks are expensive, and if I slow down to take the bump at a safe speed, that biker might get ahead of me at the next stop light.


Who knows. Might have been deliberate aggression, incompetence, or an honest mistake. Either way, it doesn't justify escalating it by assaulting the driver (be aware that, legally, spitting on someone is an assault) - which in turn, didn't justify the boneheads getting out and confronting him, which, in turn, didn't justify his clocking one of them. Which is why one of the morons has a sore head, and the jackass on the bike is in jail.
Just desserts all around, IMHO.
 
2010-10-03 07:37:22 PM  

I am waiter hear me roar: jso2897: Tell you a little CSB about that.

Every intersection in Center City Phila is either a light, or a four-way stop. Blowing 4-ways on a bike is a no-brainer. Either someone's waiting to go, in which case you stop, or no one's waiting, in which case you ride through at a safe pace. You get used to trusting that people will stop pretty quickly.

The city I live in now has a lot of intersections exactly like the one you're talking about. Blind, and opposing traffic has no stop sign. They freak me out, even in my wife's car. I've almost forgotten and made roadkill out of myself a few times.


Old urban neighborhoods are generally more dangerous. The more modern, better designed parts of l.A. would be safer to drive in, if our wonderful L.A. drivers didn't respond to a safer road condition by simply tripling their speed.
 
2010-10-03 07:40:17 PM  

Mock26: Derp. The driver might not have noticed the cyclist.


You're saying that flagrant disregard of what's around you justifies putting someone's life in danger? "Derp" indeed.
 
2010-10-03 07:41:41 PM  
Strangely enough, I was in the left turn lane this Saturday with another cyclist patiently waiting to go. The moment it was clear, we started to move and the bee-yatch behind us begins to honk her horn at us. Mind you, we were already halfway through the intersection at this point and made our way to the bike lane.

She then zooms by, cuts a hard right of us and nearly smacks into us, and pulls into the gas station. While the temptation to scream and yell at her were definitely there, I figured it had been years since someone of her stature had even been near a bicycle seat, let alone one that would be able to support her girth.

Either way, I hope she made it to the mou-mou convention she was apparently late for without taking out anybody.
 
2010-10-03 07:41:49 PM  

jso2897: Just desserts all around, IMHO.


Agreed, in this case.
 
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