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2010-10-03 09:10:05 AM  
"Requiescat" A crap taken in the evening hours?
 
2010-10-03 10:46:07 AM  
i445.photobucket.com

Don't worry scro....
 
2010-10-03 10:48:03 AM  
Good riddance. Final exams were a pain in the ass for everyone and only test your ability to take tests.
 
2010-10-03 11:03:22 AM  
Well, it makes sense. For a great many, though not all, classes, a final paper or similar is probably a far better assessment tool than a 3-hour closed-book exam, even if it's more labor-intensive to grade.
 
2010-10-03 11:32:13 AM  
eddyatwork: Good riddance. Final exams were a pain in the ass for everyone and only test your ability to take tests.

They're not the best tests of memory or understanding. Schools would be so different if you replaced all administrators with psychologists. They'd do radical things like not wake up teenagers at 6 AM, space study to aid retention and teach students about the human mind and how things like memory work.

But no, let's keep teaching "1+4 =???" for 5 years about "4x3=??" for 3 years, finally teaching "x+5=35" for most of highschool.
 
2010-10-03 11:38:23 AM  
Barakku: They'd do radical things like not wake up teenagers at 6 AM

No kidding. I seriously would love to see a high school start at say 10 am with no extra-curricular bullshiat in the AM before school and see how the test scores improve. School, and society, start way too early. Don't believe me? How many of you reading this will need an alarm clock tomorrow to wake up and then use coffee to kickstart yourself? Maybe the reason is you shouldn't be getting up that early to begin with.
 
2010-10-03 12:27:55 PM  
eddyatwork: Barakku: They'd do radical things like not wake up teenagers at 6 AM

No kidding. I seriously would love to see a high school start at say 10 am with no extra-curricular bullshiat in the AM before school and see how the test scores improve. School, and society, start way too early. Don't believe me? How many of you reading this will need an alarm clock tomorrow to wake up and then use coffee to kickstart yourself? Maybe the reason is you shouldn't be getting up that early to begin with.


Some people work better in the morning. Some work better in the late morning. Some work better in the afternoon. Some work better in the evening. Some work better as night owls.

The only solution is to have a 24 hour school.
 
2010-10-03 01:12:38 PM  
Evidently subby is not an educated man. Now I don't hate him.

/Eventus stultorum magister.
 
2010-10-03 01:12:53 PM  
"Interesting College finals, 1830-2010. Requiescat in... let me google that last word "


"in"?
 
2010-10-03 01:14:35 PM  
If it wasn't for finals, I probably wouldn't have made it through high school/college. I always used them to make up for the busy work I wasn't doing during the regular semester.
 
2010-10-03 01:17:45 PM  
Yeah it seems as the class number increases such from Geog 200 to Geog 685, the more group presentations and reports are given instead of the final examinations. Still what I notice is that exams are being given somewhere halfway or one-third through the quarter in a given class.

/Currently goes to Ohio State
//Go Bucks!
 
2010-10-03 01:18:37 PM  
Barakku: Schools would be so different if you replaced all administrators with psychologists.

Then everybody would get an A. What a perfect society!
 
2010-10-03 01:20:08 PM  
DrMcNinja: If it wasn't for finals, I probably wouldn't have made it through high school/college. I always used them to make up for the busy work I wasn't doing during the regular semester.

This. Thank god for the high-stakes, high-pressure multiple choice exam. Easiest way to spend all semester drunk and/or high and still roll an A average.
 
2010-10-03 01:21:05 PM  
i needed my finals. i didn't do my homework and prayed for those classes where most of the grade percentage was based of test scores :P
 
2010-10-03 01:23:00 PM  
That article filled me with a mad, blinding rage. It's so over-written and dramatic: "THEY INCITE PANIC IN THE SOULS OF EVEN THE MOST DILIGENT STUDENTS!"

Uh, no. Actually, they aren't a big deal for anyone that knows the material and can express themselves at a *gasp* university level.



/still bitter his ex-gf graduated from Colombia with bad grammar.
//never should have edited her papers.
 
2010-10-03 01:23:20 PM  
pah-che
 
2010-10-03 01:24:29 PM  
Colombia the country? or Columbia, the school?
 
2010-10-03 01:27:12 PM  
That's a shame. Now I'm sure they'll just grade on attendance, instead of content mastery at the end of the term.
 
2010-10-03 01:27:26 PM  
Most classes probably do not benefit from a comprehensive high-stakes final - but every student should have an occasional class that uses it.

Nothing like the searing clarity that comes from a "holy shiat" it's all on the line here moment every once in a while. Real life provides these moments - you should know how to deal with them. Me? I prefer procrastination followed by insane frenetic last minute activity... but thats just me.
 
2010-10-03 01:28:25 PM  
The last 400 level compsci class I took was a joke.

No one really understood the material, the best any of us did was to memorize the derivation of the central formula.

On the day of the final, the prof left the classroom, leaving a TA in charge. The TA spent the whole time shuffling papers.

I was the only student who wasn't in one of several huddles cheating.

No, really. Every person in that class cheated except myself.

/CSB
 
2010-10-03 01:28:41 PM  
bigpete53: Some people work better in the morning. Some work better in the late morning. Some work better in the afternoon. Some work better in the evening. Some work better as night owls.

People, yes.
Teenagers, no.
 
2010-10-03 01:36:32 PM  
My university had a "finals week" with adjusted schedules. Typically the professors would put the actual "final exam" in the week prior, during normal classes, as a way to get an extra week of holiday.
 
2010-10-03 01:36:34 PM  
www.lakenormanregion.comLink (new window)

Self-scheduled final exams FTW.
 
2010-10-03 01:37:13 PM  
potterydove: That's a shame. Now I'm sure they'll just grade on attendance, instead of content mastery at the end of the term.

Final exams, in most courses, are very poor systems for evaluating content mastery. Essays and practical projects are much better for that.

The reason that final exams are likely to persist in lower-division undergrad courses is that it is not practical for instructors to read 200 to 400 extended essays, but it is easy to run a pile of scan-tron sheets through the reader.

In upper division seminar courses, final exams are usually a waste of time.

(So is taking attendance.)
 
2010-10-03 01:37:55 PM  
BreezyWheeze: DrMcNinja: If it wasn't for finals, I probably wouldn't have made it through high school/college. I always used them to make up for the busy work I wasn't doing during the regular semester.

This. Thank god for the high-stakes, high-pressure multiple choice exam. Easiest way to spend all semester drunk and/or high and still roll an A average.


almandot: i needed my finals. i didn't do my homework and prayed for those classes where most of the grade percentage was based of test scores :P


SO. MUCH. THIS.

fark today's precious snowflakes. It's a goddamn rite of passage.
 
2010-10-03 01:40:07 PM  
Finals are kind of stupid anyway. They test your short term memory more than your mastery of the material.
 
2010-10-03 01:40:37 PM  
Hard science: last refuge of the elusive final.
 
2010-10-03 01:40:55 PM  
LAUGHTER OL I do not give the final examination in the course I am teaching because seriously I do not feel like having to be there for the extra week. By not having the final examination I get the extra week off. This is why they are going away not because people have the shiat giving about learning. Most of the students we have to deal with are spoiled bags of vaginal juices. If they do not get what they wish for the administration will come and say OM MAGOODNESS YOU CANNOT CAUSE THE OFFENSE TO THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE PAYING PEOPLE. You can blame these administrators for causing college students to be much like the grandson of Sarah Palin named Trigidosis. Administrators have no care about education and only about money so for this reason I say to them THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA WEEK OFF YOU STUPID SACK OF PENIS DANGLE SPERM HOLDERS SPHERES.
 
2010-10-03 01:41:07 PM  
BreezyWheeze: DrMcNinja: If it wasn't for finals, I probably wouldn't have made it through high school/college. I always used them to make up for the busy work I wasn't doing during the regular semester.

This. Thank god for the high-stakes, high-pressure multiple choice exam. Easiest way to spend all semester drunk and/or high and still roll an A average.



I think that's the point. You're not really learning anything. You're just cramming for a couple days before the test and then forgetting everything the next day.

So instead of basing a student's entire grade on two or three huge exams, maybe have five or six smaller exams and a couple projects or papers throughout the semester. That way students have to remain engaged in the material for the entire class and actually learn something.
 
2010-10-03 01:42:40 PM  
AuntNotAnt: Hard science: last refuge of the elusive final.

LAUGHTER OL no it is not. This is what silly people might believe.
 
2010-10-03 01:43:09 PM  
SquirrelWithLargeNuts: Finals are kind of stupid anyway. They test your short term memory more than your mastery of the material.

I don't really recall this being the case for any of my engineering, physics and most math finals. They were testing your comprehension with something like 4 problems, each in 15 parts. A handful of engineering finals were even open note and open book. Those were nasty tests.
 
2010-10-03 01:44:35 PM  
meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL I do not give the final examination in the course I am teaching because seriously I do not feel like having to be there for the extra week. By not having the final examination I get the extra week off. This is why they are going away not because people have the shiat giving about learning. Most of the students we have to deal with are spoiled bags of vaginal juices. If they do not get what they wish for the administration will come and say OM MAGOODNESS YOU CANNOT CAUSE THE OFFENSE TO THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE PAYING PEOPLE. You can blame these administrators for causing college students to be much like the grandson of Sarah Palin named Trigidosis. Administrators have no care about education and only about money so for this reason I say to them THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA WEEK OFF YOU STUPID SACK OF PENIS DANGLE SPERM HOLDERS SPHERES.

I might not always agree with you, but damn, you're funny.
 
2010-10-03 01:45:51 PM  
Colombia the country? or Columbia, the school?


the school. That was implicit; I assume you were just ironically illustrating how ambiguous that singular referent is.
 
2010-10-03 01:46:06 PM  
Iron Felix: My university had a "finals week" with adjusted schedules. Typically the professors would put the actual "final exam" in the week prior, during normal classes, as a way to get an extra week of holiday.

I hold my final exams a week before the school's dedicated "Finals Week," but for an entirely different reason. My students have made a commitment to be in a specific classroom at a specific time on specific days of the week. Many of them have jobs and childcare responsibilities, and they arrange those responsibilities around my scheduled lecture time.

The school offers "adjusted schedules" that require students to come to campus on a day and time that is different from the regularly scheduled class time, which means that in addition to preparing for the exam, many of them also need to rearrange their work and childcare schedules. This places an additional burden on the students who have additional responsibilities outside of the classroom, which strikes me as unfair.

Holding the final during the last regularly scheduled class meeting compensates for that burden.

My "extra week of holiday" is usually spend grading essays.

(This is not a big deal, since my "holiday" is almost entirely spent preparing for the next quarter on my own time, unpaid. I hope that this precludes the "teachers have so much vacation time" argument.)
 
2010-10-03 01:48:14 PM  
My Calc professor only had finals because the university required them. It was his opinion that tests were for finding where you needed to concentrate your learning, and a final showed what you lacked, but no one ever followed through on the missed learning so therefore the final was extraneous.
 
2010-10-03 01:48:19 PM  
FloydA: My "extra week of holiday" is usually spend grading essays.

(This is not a big deal, since my "holiday" is almost entirely spent preparing for the next quarter on my own time, unpaid. I hope that this precludes the "teachers have so much vacation time" argument.)


A lot of professionals are salaried rather than hourly. When teachers complain about this, it makes people like me (I chose IT as a field) wonder why you get special rights to complain about that which you have chosen for yourself.
 
2010-10-03 01:48:43 PM  
FDR Jones: Colombia the country? or Columbia, the school?

The river.
 
2010-10-03 01:49:16 PM  
FloydA: I hold my final exams a week before the school's dedicated "Finals Week," but for an entirely different reason. My students have made a commitment to be in a specific classroom at a specific time on specific days of the week. Many of them have jobs and childcare responsibilities, and they arrange those responsibilities around my scheduled lecture time.

This is also an issue. It is not conducive to student learning if you consider state dependency in human memory to learn for many days in the same classroom at the same time then suddenly have this to move. It does not give a match of circulating levels of cortisol and other key hormones that are associated with the material.

Sorry you take this long to do the grading. You probably should ask for the teaching assistant. I make them be the biatches of me especially this one girl who is named Melissa because she is the fatter girl so I have her do extra grading. LAUGHTER OL. I tell her I do this because I trust her the most but it is because I know she does not have the social life as a fat person.
 
2010-10-03 01:49:29 PM  
FloydA: (This is not a big deal, since my "holiday" is almost entirely spent preparing for the next quarter on my own time, unpaid. I hope that this precludes the "teachers have so much vacation time" argument.)

Doubtful. Some asshat will posit the argument.
 
2010-10-03 01:50:12 PM  
FloydA: FDR Jones: Colombia the country? or Columbia, the school?

The river.


The RHPS character.
 
2010-10-03 01:51:14 PM  
djh0101010:

A lot of professionals are salaried rather than hourly. When teachers complain about this, it makes people like me (I chose IT as a field) wonder why you get special rights to complain about that which you have chosen for yourself.



What "special rights" are you talking about?

It annoys me that people accuse me of goofing off on the clock when I am, in fact, working very hard, unpaid. If people falsely accuse you of the same thing, you have just as much right to be annoyed with them as I do.
 
2010-10-03 01:52:48 PM  
Clete Orris: FloydA: FDR Jones: Colombia the country? or Columbia, the school?

The river.

The RHPS character.


The detective.

theuniblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-10-03 01:53:09 PM  
djh0101010: FloydA: My "extra week of holiday" is usually spend grading essays.

(This is not a big deal, since my "holiday" is almost entirely spent preparing for the next quarter on my own time, unpaid. I hope that this precludes the "teachers have so much vacation time" argument.)

A lot of professionals are salaried rather than hourly. When teachers complain about this, it makes people like me (I chose IT as a field) wonder why you get special rights to complain about that which you have chosen for yourself.


Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.
 
2010-10-03 01:54:14 PM  
 
2010-10-03 01:54:25 PM  
potterydove: That's a shame. Now I'm sure they'll just grade on attendance, instead of content mastery at the end of the term.

half of life is simply showing up.
 
2010-10-03 01:55:07 PM  
FloydA: djh0101010:

A lot of professionals are salaried rather than hourly. When teachers complain about this, it makes people like me (I chose IT as a field) wonder why you get special rights to complain about that which you have chosen for yourself.


What "special rights" are you talking about?

It annoys me that people accuse me of goofing off on the clock when I am, in fact, working very hard, unpaid. If people falsely accuse you of the same thing, you have just as much right to be annoyed with them as I do.


Wow, way to misinterpret a perfectly clear statement. My point was and is, that you took a salaried job. You are paid for the JOB, not for the time. Whining about it being on "your own time, unpaid" doesn't enter into it. Your salary pays you to do the job; if it takes you longer to do it than you can do while at work, well, try being better about it. Or just stop whining about "on your own time"; you're salaried, time doesn't enter into it. Getting the job done is what matters.

If you didn't understand that when you chose your field, then, well, you chose poorly.
 
2010-10-03 01:55:58 PM  
meow said the dog: LAUGHTER OL I do not give the final examination in the course I am teaching because seriously I do not feel like having to be there for the extra week. By not having the final examination I get the extra week off. This is why they are going away not because people have the shiat giving about learning. Most of the students we have to deal with are spoiled bags of vaginal juices. If they do not get what they wish for the administration will come and say OM MAGOODNESS YOU CANNOT CAUSE THE OFFENSE TO THESE PEOPLE THEY ARE PAYING PEOPLE. You can blame these administrators for causing college students to be much like the grandson of Sarah Palin named Trigidosis. Administrators have no care about education and only about money so for this reason I say to them THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA WEEK OFF YOU STUPID SACK OF PENIS DANGLE SPERM HOLDERS SPHERES.

Mr. Terhune? is that you?
 
2010-10-03 01:57:36 PM  
Fano: A lot of professionals are salaried rather than hourly. When teachers complain about this, it makes people like me (I chose IT as a field) wonder why you get special rights to complain about that which you have chosen for yourself.

Credat Judaeus apella, non ego.


A lot of people see latin quotations to be somewhat pompous when they're used. Just so you know. I also recognize it, and don't understand how you jumped in with this in any relevant way.
 
2010-10-03 01:59:21 PM  
FDR Jones: Colombia the country? or Columbia, the school?

The British.
 
2010-10-03 02:49:42 PM  
FDR Jones: Colombia the country? or Columbia, the school?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
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