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(CNN)   The Mets will fire Minaya and Manuel after the season. This comes as a shock, given all of their success   (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) divider line 29
    More: Obvious, Omar Minaya, Chuck Greenberg, Fred Wilpon, Jerry Manuel, Mets, Josh Byrnes, general managers, White Sox  
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2010-10-01 06:10:40 PM  
No, this comes as a shock because I could've sworn Minaya had damning photographs of the Wilpons.
 
2010-10-01 06:16:06 PM  
Just as important they need to purge their fitness instructors. The Mets have had a lot of injuries over the past few years that would probably have not occurred with better conditioning. Worse when Mets players go down their season ends. The Phillies lost a lot of big guns at various points this season. Now they are all back so the team has to be doing something right.
 
2010-10-01 06:17:39 PM  
www.omgwtfimages.com
 
2010-10-01 06:21:05 PM  
cdn.bleacherreport.net

Hey guys, what's going on?
 
2010-10-01 06:22:59 PM  
mjoven1975: Hey guys, what's going on?

Should it happen? No.
Will it happen? Probably.
 
2010-10-01 06:36:05 PM  
this was better than Willy Randolph?
/does Minaya still only sign Spanish players?
 
2010-10-01 06:48:38 PM  
www.popcrunch.com

"Hell, even I saw that coming"
 
2010-10-01 06:48:47 PM  
Did ownership commit Sepuku? Then why expect anything to change?
 
2010-10-01 06:53:37 PM  
Praise thie Lord.

Now what are the chances of getting Rex Ryan to coaxh this team?
 
2010-10-01 08:12:25 PM  
YAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNnnnnnnnn......
 
2010-10-01 09:03:01 PM  
This calls for a celebration
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2010-10-01 09:09:23 PM  
Lost Thought 00: Did ownership commit Sepuku? Then why expect anything to change?

They're getting the money and they're getting the talent (on paper) so I'd think the blame would lie on the coach and, to a somewhat lesser degree, GM more than the ownership here.
 
2010-10-01 09:24:03 PM  
The Mets are paying 18 million combined for a guy with a 6.6 ERA and a guy with a .650 OPS.

Dear Omar:

That is why you fail.

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2010-10-01 09:38:54 PM  
If the Mets were smart (which they aren't), they should re-hire Bobby Valentine and Steve Phillips to those respective positions. Minaya is not only a bad GM, but he's a racist to boot. If you don't agree with me, then please answer here why he traded Kaz Matsui for Eli Marrero, an aging catacher at the end of his career, and Brian Bannister, who was admittedly a so-so pitcher, for a REALLY bad pitcher (and worse human being) Ambrogis Burgos. Also, he dumped Cliff Flod, an injury prone African-American outfielder so, he could bring in Moises Alou, an injury prone Hispanic outfielder.
 
2010-10-01 09:44:25 PM  
Kaz Matsui was terrible in NY. Ambiorix Burgos threw 100mph, and Bannister was the 6th best starter on the staff, and the team needed another reliever. Moises Alou, while injury prone was a MUCH better hitter than uncle cliff, and was mostly healthy that first season.

Omar was a terrible GM, but he wasn't racist.
 
2010-10-01 09:58:19 PM  
mikemoto: If the Mets were smart (which they aren't), they should re-hire Bobby Valentine and Steve Phillips to those respective positions. Minaya is not only a bad GM, but he's a racist to boot. If you don't agree with me, then please answer here why he traded Kaz Matsui for Eli Marrero, an aging catacher at the end of his career, and Brian Bannister, who was admittedly a so-so pitcher, for a REALLY bad pitcher (and worse human being) Ambrogis Burgos. Also, he dumped Cliff Flod, an injury prone African-American outfielder so, he could bring in Moises Alou, an injury prone Hispanic outfielder.

If you think Bobby Valentine is the answer, you are too stupid to live.
 
2010-10-01 10:08:48 PM  
superoogie: If you think Bobby Valentine is the answer, you are too stupid to live.

He wants to rehire Steve Phillips as GM and Bobby V is the part you have a problem with?
 
2010-10-01 11:04:11 PM  
haplo53: superoogie: If you think Bobby Valentine is the answer, you are too stupid to live.

He wants to rehire Steve Phillips as GM and Bobby V is the part you have a problem with?


I was about to type this without even looking past the original post. Steve Phillips is one of the biggest idiots I've ever seen talk about baseball, and his hiring by a baseball team would be a complete admission that the owners have no idea what the hell they're doing, and that the team won't be good for the next decade. Other than getting lucky with Wright and Reyes, I can't think of a single intelligent thing he did, and his farkups were numerous and incredible.

To your points, Kaz Matsui has never shown any ability to hit MLB pitching consistently, and doesn't have the defensive skills to support his shiatty hitting, so I don't see how this was anything other than swapping garbage for garbage. Bannister is a nice enough pitcher, but the Mets problems haven't really been the lack of 4th/5th starters, and I don't see him as having an upside higher than that (though I agree it was a basically a stupid deal). Moises Alou was significantly better than Cliff Floyd (who was terrible his last year in NY, and I'm pretty sure wasn't good after the Mets, though I don't feel like looking it up now). The problem with the Alou deal wasn't Alou himself; it was not having an MLB-caliber 4th outfielder in the likely event someone got injured.

Which has been Minaya's problem all along - his starting 9 has never been a problem, but unlike most other teams, the Mets depth at AAA is atrocious. Most teams have AAAA-type outfielders floating around, such that if an OF goes down they can swap in a .275/.350/.400-ish player and not get great production, but not be terrible. Until they got lucky with Pagan (who really should've been starting), the past few years was just a parade of suck in the 4th and 5th outfield slots (just to compare the Mets to the Red Sox - the Sox have had McDonald, Hall, Kalish, Reddick play this year in the outfield once starters went down; I don't think the Mets have anyone other than their starting 3 that's at the level of any of those four).
 
2010-10-01 11:49:52 PM  
In honor of the Mets, the Atlanta Braves are playing like the late season Tin Men the Mets have been shown to be in the past...

(no heart)
 
2010-10-02 12:19:07 AM  
As a devout Phillies fan, I say boo to this news. I want Minaya and Manuel to continue to replicate their successes for many seasons to come.
 
2010-10-02 12:51:08 AM  
Gdiguy: Other than getting lucky with Wright and Reyes, I can't think of a single intelligent thing he did, and his farkups were numerous and incredible.

He was on the radio a month or so ago and answered some of the questions about his bad moves.

Re: Mo Vaughn. The entire contract, including signing bonuses that the Mets never had to pay, was insured. The Mets turned a sizable profit on the atrocious contract of Mo Vaughn.

Re: Bobby Bonilla. While it looks really really stupid, the Mets were able to invest that money that they would have paid him anyway and come out ahead. All comes down to the present value of the investment, really.

/yes, he still sucks
 
2010-10-02 09:40:44 AM  
haplo53: superoogie: If you think Bobby Valentine is the answer, you are too stupid to live.

He wants to rehire Steve Phillips as GM and Bobby V is the part you have a problem with?


Lol. That guy is either a troll or fell down and hit his head on the way to the computer. Hiring Phillips to be your GM is the equivalent of giving the job to the 500th customer of the day at Wendys.
 
2010-10-02 11:19:44 AM  
Minaya is beloved by his co-workers, and several people hope he stays, but that is no certainty.

versus

The Mets hold an option on Manuel's contract that won't be renewed. He is also well-liked in the organization.

did Minaya write this article? beloved??? seriously wtf?


//Go Phils
 
2010-10-02 11:25:17 AM  
haplo53: superoogie: If you think Bobby Valentine is the answer, you are too stupid to live.

He wants to rehire Steve Phillips as GM and Bobby V is the part you have a problem with?


To be fair, the Phillips thing is so silly as to not merit comment. No one excepts this guy and Steve Phillips thinks that Phillips is a good GM, while there are a multitude of misguided idiots who think Bobby .500 Valentine is a great manager.

Also, I do not dislike Phillips as a person. I'd beat to death anyone stupid enough to hire him again, but in addition to being mediocre at his job, Bobby Valentine is a grade-A douchebag who is one of the few people I feel I'd attack on site if I met in person.
 
2010-10-02 11:43:08 AM  
superoogie: haplo53: superoogie: If you think Bobby Valentine is the answer, you are too stupid to live.

He wants to rehire Steve Phillips as GM and Bobby V is the part you have a problem with?

To be fair, the Phillips thing is so silly as to not merit comment. No one excepts this guy and Steve Phillips thinks that Phillips is a good GM, while there are a multitude of misguided idiots who think Bobby .500 Valentine is a great manager.

Also, I do not dislike Phillips as a person. I'd beat to death anyone stupid enough to hire him again, but in addition to being mediocre at his job, Bobby Valentine is a grade-A douchebag who is one of the few people I feel I'd attack on site if I met in person.


For context, the Cleveland Indians last year had 3 options for a new manager. Failed Washington Nationals skipper Manny Acta was 1. 2 was Bobby Valentine. 3 would be to go with a minor league manager from within the system.

They didn't like 3, since that was what Wedge was, and they wanted a "fresh perspective". So the two other candidates both had interviews with the team, followed by the media. In these pressers, Acta seemed energetic, and knew all the players on the team and many of the prospects in the minors. Bobby Valentine couldn't name more than 5 players, seemed disinterested and nobody in the media liked him.

Manny Acta was considered a FAR better choice than Bobby V. Stew on that for a minute.
 
2010-10-02 12:30:05 PM  
Who cares in Bobby V knows how to manage? He did this:
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2010-10-02 01:14:52 PM  
"Who cares in Bobby V knows how to manage? He did this:"

Say what you will, that had a high per-volume WIN content.
 
2010-10-02 02:24:32 PM  
GoldSpider: "Who cares in Bobby V knows how to manage? He did this:"

Say what you will, that had a high per-volume WIN content.


No, it had high-volume attention whore content. It is actual, physical proof that he would do anything to get more time in front of the camera.
 
2010-10-03 08:52:29 AM  
mikemoto: If the Mets were smart (which they aren't), they should re-hire Bobby Valentine and Steve Phillips to those respective positions. Minaya is not only a bad GM, but he's a racist to boot. If you don't agree with me, then please answer here why he traded Kaz Matsui for Eli Marrero, an aging catacher at the end of his career, and Brian Bannister, who was admittedly a so-so pitcher, for a REALLY bad pitcher (and worse human being) Ambrogis Burgos. Also, he dumped Cliff Flod, an injury prone African-American outfielder so, he could bring in Moises Alou, an injury prone Hispanic outfielder.

Matsui was batting a flat .200 at the time of the trade. His average had dropped from the season before that which had dropped from the season before that. He was also earning 8 million per. Marrero gave them depth at catcher for the last half of the season with roughly the same batting stats (at the time of the trade) for 7.5 mil less.

The Burgos trade was fine until he committed vehicular manslaughter. That last half of the year he was with the mets, he had a 3.4 era in around 24 innings worth of work. Bannister was poop and has gone on to be more poop.

They didn't re-sign Floyd, an injury-prone .244 hitter that last year with them to sign Alou, an injury-prone .301 hitter that last year.

Hate on Minaya all you want, he deserves all of it for the Bay signing amongst numerous other gaffes, but none of those three trades were reasons why he was wrong.
 
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