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(IGN)   We are at war with Opposing Force. We have always been at war with Opposing Force   (pc.ign.com) divider line 35
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2010-10-01 02:16:19 PM  
Now, see, if I were the guy in charge of the Taliban, I'd make a video tonight and post it tomorrow morning declaring that, effective immediately, the organization formerly know as the Taliban would now officially be known as "Opposing Force."
 
2010-10-01 02:24:01 PM  
Half-life did it.
 
2010-10-01 02:25:33 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Now, see, if I were the guy in charge of the Taliban, I'd make a video tonight and post it tomorrow morning declaring that, effective immediately, the organization formerly know as the Taliban would now officially be known as "Opposing Force."

Well, maybe you should go join the Taliban and rise to the rank of Grand Poobah so you can make that change.

While you're at it, maybe you could transform them into a bowling team or A Capella chorus
 
2010-10-01 02:30:26 PM  
Why do you hate Allied Force?
 
2010-10-01 02:34:21 PM  
I can't wait. When I play online I'm going to be the Taliban and spend the whole game screaming "ALLAH AKBAR, ALLAH AKBAR, ALLAH AKBAR!" into the mic.
It's gonna be really annoying.
 
2010-10-01 02:40:46 PM  
As a zombie, I'm protesting the portrayal of zombies in Call of Duty: World at War.

/pro-brains!
//anti-living
 
2010-10-01 02:41:29 PM  
GoodyearPimp: Half-life did it.

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who first thought of Half-life when I saw the link.

/What did happen to Adrian Sheppard?
 
2010-10-01 03:03:35 PM  
I give it a month before someone mods it back.
 
2010-10-01 03:05:25 PM  
blogs.kitschmag.com

The lesson here, kids, is that if you don't get what you want, you complain and complain louder until someone gets so tired of the sound of your voice that they remove all of the questionable material from that pointless video contraption you like so much.
 
2010-10-01 03:20:44 PM  
abhorrent1: I can't wait. When I play online I'm going to be the Taliban and spend the whole game screaming "ALLAH AKBAR, ALLAH AKBAR, ALLAH AKBAR!" into the mic.
It's gonna be really annoying.


Make sure you're cooking a grenade when you do it.

/it's even better when you take people out with it
//done it a few times in COD.
 
2010-10-01 03:44:49 PM  
Pussies
 
2010-10-01 03:45:33 PM  
I find the marketing for this game, such as the trailer with the soldier leaving a voice message with his family (shortly followed by a battle montage), in rather poor taste. Something about this game just makes me cringe.
 
2010-10-01 04:16:11 PM  
kieran57: /What did happen to Adrian Sheppard?

That's a good question. Hopefully he shows up in Ep3...
 
2010-10-01 04:32:43 PM  
Never been a fan of the realistic war FPS genre, and the Medal of Honor series has somewhat of a monopoly in exploiting and disrespecting as many war veterans as possible.
They would create a game that involves pissing on the graves of veterans if it would sell. They already do it metaphorically, they might as well make it tangible.
 
2010-10-01 05:03:05 PM  
God-is-a-Taco: Never been a fan of the realistic war FPS genre, and the Medal of Honor series has somewhat of a monopoly in exploiting and disrespecting as many war veterans as possible.
They would create a game that involves pissing on the graves of veterans if it would sell. They already do it metaphorically, they might as well make it tangible.


Games like Modern Warfare avoid this somewhat by being fictional to the point of ridiculousness. Or, by focusing on a more historical, long-since-finished conflict.

But this sh*t reeks of exploitation.

They have every right to do it, but I'm not going to buy it.

And I'm usually the first to defend media from this kind of criticism.
 
2010-10-01 05:25:24 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: God-is-a-Taco: Never been a fan of the realistic war FPS genre, and the Medal of Honor series has somewhat of a monopoly in exploiting and disrespecting as many war veterans as possible.
They would create a game that involves pissing on the graves of veterans if it would sell. They already do it metaphorically, they might as well make it tangible.

Games like Modern Warfare avoid this somewhat by being fictional to the point of ridiculousness. Or, by focusing on a more historical, long-since-finished conflict.

But this sh*t reeks of exploitation.

They have every right to do it, but I'm not going to buy it.

And I'm usually the first to defend media from this kind of criticism.


I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Exploitation? Of what? Real soldiers don't spontaneously explode when you shoot one in a game or anything.
 
2010-10-01 05:33:26 PM  
Little_Dictator: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: God-is-a-Taco: Never been a fan of the realistic war FPS genre, and the Medal of Honor series has somewhat of a monopoly in exploiting and disrespecting as many war veterans as possible.
They would create a game that involves pissing on the graves of veterans if it would sell. They already do it metaphorically, they might as well make it tangible.

Games like Modern Warfare avoid this somewhat by being fictional to the point of ridiculousness. Or, by focusing on a more historical, long-since-finished conflict.

But this sh*t reeks of exploitation.

They have every right to do it, but I'm not going to buy it.

And I'm usually the first to defend media from this kind of criticism.

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. Exploitation? Of what? Real soldiers don't spontaneously explode when you shoot one in a game or anything.


They are using a current conflict to sell software. You'd have to be kind of obtuse not to see it.
 
2010-10-01 05:54:38 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They are using a current conflict to sell software. You'd have to be kind of obtuse not to see it.

How is it any different than the numerous examples of other media which are using the current conflict to sell books, movies, etc?
 
2010-10-01 06:05:03 PM  
Lumbar Puncture: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They are using a current conflict to sell software. You'd have to be kind of obtuse not to see it.

How is it any different than the numerous examples of other media which are using the current conflict to sell books, movies, etc?


Because a film displaying the hardships of war is more tactful than a video game that simply uses said hardships as window dressing for a mindless shooting gallery with a primary objective of being FUN.

They make movies about 9/11, but I'm not seeing "Sim City: 9/11 Edition" out there yet...

The type of media, and the objective of said media, matters.

I'm not condoning a ban of the game or anything. I'm just saying it's tasteless given the timing.

Some poor family is getting a phone call from their father in Afghanistan, perhaps the last they'll ever get from him. Meanwhile, while all this is still happening, a gaming company is using that scenario (new window) to add a little drama and pizazz to their fun-oriented little shooting game.

Can you honestly not see the difference between this and a movie that handles such matters with dignity?
 
2010-10-01 06:13:27 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller

Silicovaginosis can be dangerous if left untreated. Talk to your doctor today.
 
2010-10-01 06:22:37 PM  
Angel of Death: SacriliciousBeerSwiller

Silicovaginosis can be dangerous if left untreated. Talk to your doctor today.


Cool man. You play your awesome game simulating getting killed in current-day Afghanistan for fun while people your age get killed in Afghanistan for real.

You're awesome.
 
2010-10-01 06:24:04 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Can you honestly not see the difference between this and a movie that handles such matters with dignity?

I can, and while I agree the marketing could have been handled better you are making the assumption that subject material of the game is making light of the current war instead of possibly presenting another look at it. The Brothers in Arms games for example present a story that certainly does not make war look like fun.

There are a lot of war games, many of which take the subject matter seriously even when tasked with creating an enjoyable game.

Just like with movies there are certainly tacky, exploitative war movies out there as well as ones that are enjoyable to watch and take the subject seriously. The game is not out yet so I can't tell you which side of that line it falls.
 
2010-10-01 06:41:32 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Angel of Death: SacriliciousBeerSwiller

Silicovaginosis can be dangerous if left untreated. Talk to your doctor today.

Cool man. You play your awesome game simulating getting killed in current-day Afghanistan for fun while people your age get killed in Afghanistan for real.

You're awesome.


Will not playing this game make those soldiers not dead anymore? Will playing this game make this war last longer than it normally would? Will playing this game make the people who play it join a terrorist group so they can kill soldiers?

/Pssst
//The answer is no
 
2010-10-01 06:56:53 PM  
OPFOR is played by American soldiers of the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment. At least at Fort Irwin's National Training Center. I forgot who does OPFOR at Fort Polk's JRTC.

So it's bad if fictional Al Qaida operatives are killing fictional American soldiers, but it's okay if fictional American soldiers are killing other fictional American soldiers?
 
2010-10-01 08:22:35 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Lumbar Puncture: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They are using a current conflict to sell software. You'd have to be kind of obtuse not to see it.

How is it any different than the numerous examples of other media which are using the current conflict to sell books, movies, etc?

Because a film displaying the hardships of war is more tactful than a video game that simply uses said hardships as window dressing for a mindless shooting gallery with a primary objective of being FUN.

They make movies about 9/11, but I'm not seeing "Sim City: 9/11 Edition" out there yet...

The type of media, and the objective of said media, matters.

I'm not condoning a ban of the game or anything. I'm just saying it's tasteless given the timing.

Some poor family is getting a phone call from their father in Afghanistan, perhaps the last they'll ever get from him. Meanwhile, while all this is still happening, a gaming company is using that scenario (new window) to add a little drama and pizazz to their fun-oriented little shooting game.

Can you honestly not see the difference between this and a movie that handles such matters with dignity?


I see where you are going with this line of thinking so let me pose this question; If a game were to come out that brought to light the struggles and hardships of front line fighters in a modern current conflict and in a sensitive and informative way would that be OK? Personally I feel that a video game can connect the player to the characters way more than a book or movie could ever dream of.

Such a game doesn't exist sadly, at least not that I'm aware of, but were it to exist would you support it?
 
2010-10-01 10:04:02 PM  
content.internetvideoarchive.com

I liked that movie. It's what got me into rape rape.
 
2010-10-01 10:23:07 PM  
Mentalpatient87: kieran57: /What did happen to Adrian Sheppard?

That's a good question. Hopefully he shows up in Ep3...


Well, as Opposing Force ended, the g-man put him on, what appeared to be an aircraft and put him into some sort of cosmic limbo. My assumption is he died after a while.

As for seeing him in HL3 or EP3, highly unlikely seeing as how Opposing Force really had nothing to do with the story line directly. It was more or less the story of Half-Life viewed through the military's eyes. Highly unlikely they would do that with HL2's story line, seeing as how there was no military presence.

Now HL2's story line played through the Combine's point of view would be awesome.

OUTBREAK! OUTBREAK! OUTBREAK!
 
2010-10-02 01:44:28 AM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Cool man. You play your awesome game simulating getting killed in current-day Afghanistan for fun while people your age get killed in Afghanistan for real.

I don't play any computer or video games, actually. I just know a whiny-ass biatch when I see one.
 
2010-10-02 01:47:01 AM  
Came for the Half-Life 3: Opposing Force 2, episode 1 reference, made it myself.

meh
 
2010-10-02 04:19:09 AM  
EducatedBum: My assumption is he died after a while.

Gordon didn't.
 
2010-10-02 02:40:17 PM  
Supposedly, Valve REALLY wants to bring Sheppard back into the series and there's strong suggestion that he will either be in Episode 3 - or presuming they just skip episode 3, that he'll be in HL3.

I frankly dont care which one he shows up in so long as they get him off the bus and have him show up.
 
2010-10-02 03:46:17 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Lumbar Puncture: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: They are using a current conflict to sell software. You'd have to be kind of obtuse not to see it.

How is it any different than the numerous examples of other media which are using the current conflict to sell books, movies, etc?

Because a film displaying the hardships of war is more tactful than a video game that simply uses said hardships as window dressing for a mindless shooting gallery with a primary objective of being FUN.

They make movies about 9/11, but I'm not seeing "Sim City: 9/11 Edition" out there yet...

The type of media, and the objective of said media, matters.

I'm not condoning a ban of the game or anything. I'm just saying it's tasteless given the timing.

Some poor family is getting a phone call from their father in Afghanistan, perhaps the last they'll ever get from him. Meanwhile, while all this is still happening, a gaming company is using that scenario (new window) to add a little drama and pizazz to their fun-oriented little shooting game.

Can you honestly not see the difference between this and a movie that handles such matters with dignity?


If this was the actual reason, then Six Days to Fallujah wouldn't have gotten cancelled because of the backlash. A game that nobody had played. A game that nobody had seen. A game being created by a developer (Atomic Games) who had a very good track record for (compared against the medium) creating realistic takes on war. What it comes down to is that these idiots watched their kid play Mario or Pac-Man when they were raising them. Those games are about getting score. It is impossible for them to think of video games outside of "high score". Therefore, any game that references our modern military struggles is going to be about "high score". Therefore, the game trivializes war. Therefore, they're offended.
 
2010-10-03 01:48:56 AM  
Sgt Otter: OPFOR is played by American soldiers of the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment. At least at Fort Irwin's National Training Center. I forgot who does OPFOR at Fort Polk's JRTC.

So it's bad if fictional Al Qaida operatives are killing fictional American soldiers, but it's okay if fictional American soldiers are killing other fictional American soldiers?


What if the soldiers in 11th ACR OPFOR write to the game developers and take offense at the name change to OPFOR? Would that cancel out the disgruntled vet groups taking offense at the use of Taliban in a game?
 
2010-10-03 02:34:34 AM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Angel of Death: SacriliciousBeerSwiller

Silicovaginosis can be dangerous if left untreated. Talk to your doctor today.

Cool man. You play your awesome game simulating getting killed in current-day Afghanistan for fun while people your age get killed in Afghanistan for real.

You're awesome.


Beerswiller: I bet you never played cowboys and indians as a kid did you? well....someone's gotta play the indian. I'm sure Gen. Custer and the rest of 7th Cav still rolling in their graves over that one. Someone, somewhere has to play the bad guy. Oh and here's a news flash: some returning vets actually play first person shooters such as Medal of Honor. I guess that makes them twice as awesome in your book.
 
2010-10-04 02:04:23 AM  
I served in Afghanistan, and this whole issue makes me incredibly stabby.

I'm not offended by the inclusion of the Taliban. Please don't be offended for me, and please don't tell me how offended I should be.

It's a farking videogame.
 
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