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2010-09-30 06:41:58 AM
"There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice...because we all know there's no soy milk 'cause there's no soy titty, is there?"
 
2010-09-30 08:10:53 AM
Farking hate soy.

It's not at all good for you. Do the research. Talk to people with thyroid issues.

NuclearSmegma: "There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice...because we all know there's no soy milk 'cause there's no soy titty, is there?"

Also - THIS
 
2010-09-30 08:29:55 AM
Farking love soy.

It's great for you. Do the research. Talk to people with lactose issues.
 
2010-09-30 08:33:50 AM
Soy raises your estrogen and gives you titties so you can make your own milk
 
2010-09-30 08:35:05 AM
At least I'll be safe from I-131!
 
2010-09-30 08:37:47 AM
The Florida Tag: Farking love soy.

It's great for you. Do the research. Talk to people with lactose issues.


Soy is gross. Rice milk ftw. I'm not lactose intolerant (I can eat cheese/yogurt/ice cream and have no problems) but there's just something in milk that destroys me.

/prefers Rice Dream (new window)
 
2010-09-30 08:38:02 AM
NuclearSmegma: "There's no such thing as soy milk. It's soy juice...because we all know there's no soy milk 'cause there's no soy titty, is there?"

assets.nydailynews.com

Soy jizm!
 
2010-09-30 08:38:39 AM
A lot of soy is bad. More so for males than females.

Anyone who drinks soy milk for health is doing it wrong.

/that is all.
 
2010-09-30 08:44:27 AM
Genju: Soy is gross. Rice milk ftw.

See now, I've tried rice milk. Not bad, but I'm not crazy about the consistency, prefer something thicker. I'm lactose intolerant, so regular milk is out of the question. (I also don't like the taste, eliminating the Lactose-free milk option.) I tend to vacillate between soy and almond milk, but almond milk--whose taste I prefer--has surprisingly little protein and a lot of sugar, while soy milk tends not to have those problems.

/Tend to drink Almond Breeze, Silk and 8th Continent.
 
2010-09-30 08:48:39 AM
The Florida Tag: Genju: Soy is gross. Rice milk ftw.

See now, I've tried rice milk. Not bad, but I'm not crazy about the consistency, prefer something thicker. I'm lactose intolerant, so regular milk is out of the question. (I also don't like the taste, eliminating the Lactose-free milk option.) I tend to vacillate between soy and almond milk, but almond milk--whose taste I prefer--has surprisingly little protein and a lot of sugar, while soy milk tends not to have those problems.

/Tend to drink Almond Breeze, Silk and 8th Continent.


My parents made me drink SKIM MILK when I was growing up. Damn them! So maybe the thin consistency of rice milk is ok for me simply because I'm used to it.

I've also heard stories of people drinking skim milk becoming less able to tolerate real milk later on in life. Something about bacteria.
 
2010-09-30 08:59:52 AM
Genju: I've also heard stories of people drinking skim milk becoming less able to tolerate real milk later on in life. Something about bacteria.

Same here with the skim milk, raised on the stuff, which may explain why my sister and I, who were both the heaviest drinkers of it, are both intolerant while nobody else in our family--proximate or extended--has a problem. (Of course, my issues may stem from the lack of a gallbladder, which seems to cause lactose intolerance in some, so questions linger.)

Nevertheless, after I cleansed my palette of dairy products, after trying the different milks, I ended up settling on soy and almond. A big reason was consistency, but now that I think back to it, also flavor. Rice milk just wasn't as satisfying. In fact, the most satisfying tends to be almond milk, but that might be due all that wonderful carrageen they add to it. Haven't tried making the stuff myself just yet.
 
2010-09-30 09:02:10 AM
AxL sANe: Farking hate soy.

It's not at all good for you. Do the research. Talk to people with thyroid issues.


This. It's likely that the people developed thyroid issues from the soy consumption, not the excess iodine. Iodine is only a problem if you have autoimmune thyroid problems and the iodine triggers antibody production. And it doesn't happen to everyone with the autoimmune type; mine is and I can consume iodine just fine.
 
2010-09-30 09:06:09 AM
The Florida Tag: Genju: I've also heard stories of people drinking skim milk becoming less able to tolerate real milk later on in life. Something about bacteria.

Same here with the skim milk, raised on the stuff, which may explain why my sister and I, who were both the heaviest drinkers of it, are both intolerant while nobody else in our family--proximate or extended--has a problem. (Of course, my issues may stem from the lack of a gallbladder, which seems to cause lactose intolerance in some, so questions linger.)


Are you confusing it with the issue with pasteurized vs. raw milk? Many people tolerate raw milk in spite of the lactose because raw contains digestive enzymes that help break down the lactose. Pasteurization kills those.

When I've had to go dairy free (the babbies are always sensitive when they're wee) my preferred replacement is coconut milk. The consistency is awesome for a whole milk drinker, and it's chock full of healthy fats. Mmmm medium chain fatty acids.
 
2010-09-30 09:13:25 AM
News Flash: fresh vegetables cause cancer. Joke aside. Try tempeh, a soy product that is 100% fermented in and out. It's like fermented dairy products (like yogurt and not those Dannon or Yop craps) are good for your stomach and bowel.
 
2010-09-30 09:13:55 AM
The Florida Tag: Farking love soy.

It's great for you. Do the research. Talk to people with lactose issues.


My own mother struggled with thyroid medication and joint issues for a couple years while dutifully supplementing her diet with the recommended soy protein. She did the research, stopped consuming soy, and *poof* - no more problems. Thyroid normal, no more joint pain. Just had a tumor removed that may have very likely been caused by her soy intake as well. She's not the only one I have personally seen struggle with that.

With citations. Scares the crap out of me. I'll stick with true natural foods that are as unprocessed as possible. The soy scam is staggering.

Link (new window)

Plus the rebuttals saying it's good for you are, at best, weak.
 
2010-09-30 09:14:05 AM
paquerette 2010-09-30 09:06:09 AM

The Florida Tag: Genju: I've also heard stories of people drinking skim milk becoming less able to tolerate real milk later on in life. Something about bacteria.


Interesting. So if you consume a watered down version of something all your life, the real stuff will be a bit much for you.
Wow. science.
 
2010-09-30 09:19:20 AM
Side note: Dear Starbucks employees, when I ask you for "skim," please stop squinting at me as though I were an alien, and asking "Soy?" in a tentative voice. SKIM DAMMIT.
 
2010-09-30 09:26:56 AM
The Florida Tag: Farking love soy.

It's great for you. Do the research. Talk to people with lactose issues.


You've never heard of phytoestrogens or phytic acid, have you? I'm gonna go with no. Phytoestrogens are known to be a potent factor for tumor growths while phytic acid blocks mineral absorption. Whether someone is lactose intolerant or not, soy is not a good option for anybody.

Nor were you aware, I'm sure, that soy is one of the most pesticide-ridden products out there. Yes, even if you get organic.

"But (insert thin vegetarian celebrity here) has eaten soy for 40 years and is healthy"...

Well, my grandpa drank from sunup to sundown while puffing down smokes all day, yet he never spent one night in a hospital his whole life and died in his late 70s after a fishing trip to Canada, but that doesn't mean that I would advocate that approach.
 
2010-09-30 09:28:27 AM
Needs an obvious tag...

anything THAT processed to get to a final product can't be that good for you.
 
2010-09-30 09:29:07 AM
paquerette: The Florida Tag: Genju: I've also heard stories of people drinking skim milk becoming less able to tolerate real milk later on in life. Something about bacteria.

Same here with the skim milk, raised on the stuff, which may explain why my sister and I, who were both the heaviest drinkers of it, are both intolerant while nobody else in our family--proximate or extended--has a problem. (Of course, my issues may stem from the lack of a gallbladder, which seems to cause lactose intolerance in some, so questions linger.)

Are you confusing it with the issue with pasteurized vs. raw milk? Many people tolerate raw milk in spite of the lactose because raw contains digestive enzymes that help break down the lactose. Pasteurization kills those.

When I've had to go dairy free (the babbies are always sensitive when they're wee) my preferred replacement is coconut milk. The consistency is awesome for a whole milk drinker, and it's chock full of healthy fats. Mmmm medium chain fatty acids.


Your jib. I like the cut of it.
 
2010-09-30 09:30:28 AM
doubled99: paquerette 2010-09-30 09:06:09 AM

The Florida Tag: Genju: I've also heard stories of people drinking skim milk becoming less able to tolerate real milk later on in life. Something about bacteria.

Interesting. So if you consume a watered down version of something all your life, the real stuff will be a bit much for you.
Wow. science.


It's still real milk smartass. I can't even drink skim anymore.
 
2010-09-30 09:32:05 AM
Not lactose intolerant, but still like this stuff over plain milk:

www.realgoodness.com
 
2010-09-30 09:38:22 AM
As I understand it, soy milk was originally a by-product of other soy production. The people who made it decided to try and sell it, so they put it in cartons told people to drink it. Problem is, it tasted like total crap. So the manufacturers put a bunch of sugar in it, then asked people to drink it. People still thought it was funky, but they drank it now, because it gave them a nice insulin rush.
 
2010-09-30 09:38:28 AM
SweetHomeNowhere: News Flash: fresh vegetables cause cancer. Joke aside. Try tempeh, a soy product that is 100% fermented in and out. It's like fermented dairy products (like yogurt and not those Dannon or Yop craps) are good for your stomach and bowel.

True, fermented products have less phytates, which does mitigate some of the unfriendly side effects of soy, but I would still exercise caution. It is still a processed food, so I wouldn't base a large percentage of my caloric intake on it. Whole food is always a better option. If you can get raw milk in your state, good on ya, but coconut milk is a far better option than soy as it contains healthy fats and none of tumor growth factors and gut irritants that are inherent in soy products.

And for those of you who drink "skim" by choice for health reasons, you are aware that lowering your fat intake does not help you burn fat, right? The lipid hypothesis, although still endorsed by our government and Big Agra, has been categorically proven as false, even though a few diehards are still clinging to it. It's the sugar that makes us fat. So if you're having a sugary Starbucks concoction and asking for skim milk, thinking you're doing yourself a favor, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!
 
2010-09-30 09:38:29 AM
Phytoestrogens, it's whats for boobies.
 
2010-09-30 09:39:48 AM
827...SO CLOSE TO A SIMULPOST!!! (kicks dirt)
 
2010-09-30 09:40:41 AM
japlemon: SweetHomeNowhere: News Flash: fresh vegetables cause cancer. Joke aside. Try tempeh, a soy product that is 100% fermented in and out. It's like fermented dairy products (like yogurt and not those Dannon or Yop craps) are good for your stomach and bowel.

True, fermented products have less phytates, which does mitigate some of the unfriendly side effects of soy, but I would still exercise caution. It is still a processed food, so I wouldn't base a large percentage of my caloric intake on it. Whole food is always a better option. If you can get raw milk in your state, good on ya, but coconut milk is a far better option than soy as it contains healthy fats and none of tumor growth factors and gut irritants that are inherent in soy products.

And for those of you who drink "skim" by choice for health reasons, you are aware that lowering your fat intake does not help you burn fat, right? The lipid hypothesis, although still endorsed by our government and Big Agra, has been categorically proven as false, even though a few diehards are still clinging to it. It's the sugar that makes us fat. So if you're having a sugary Starbucks concoction and asking for skim milk, thinking you're doing yourself a favor, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!


Agreed! Paleo diet, folks. Look into it a little. It has changed my life.
 
2010-09-30 09:47:35 AM
For so many people to say Soy is bad and causes problems and so forth... I find it hard to reconcile that with the high consumption in China and Japan that tend to have lower prevalence of health issues among their populations, especially some Buddhist groups that seem to eat soy almost exclusively.

Maybe Americans are just doing it wrong, somehow...
 
2010-09-30 09:58:54 AM
japlemon: Your jib. I like the cut of it.

Likewise. ;)

HappyFunNorm: For so many people to say Soy is bad and causes problems and so forth... I find it hard to reconcile that with the high consumption in China and Japan that tend to have lower prevalence of health issues among their populations, especially some Buddhist groups that seem to eat soy almost exclusively.

Maybe Americans are just doing it wrong, somehow...


Yes, they are doing it wrong. Americans are eating soy protein isolate and soy oil and soy milk. Traditional Asians are eating fermented soy. Try getting Americans to trade their soy protein isolate for natto.
 
2010-09-30 09:59:26 AM
HappyFunNorm: For so many people to say Soy is bad and causes problems and so forth... I find it hard to reconcile that with the high consumption in China and Japan that tend to have lower prevalence of health issues among their populations, especially some Buddhist groups that seem to eat soy almost exclusively.

Maybe Americans are just doing it wrong, somehow...


Actually, Asians don't really eat that much at all (read some of the studies). We just eat a crapload here because the "industry" is slipping soy into just about everything. The Buddhists consume a lot of it because they found it lowers libido. No sir, none for me.
 
2010-09-30 10:12:09 AM
7 times the reccommended amount or
7 times the maximum allowed amount?
 
2010-09-30 10:12:39 AM
Thats an 827: Phytoestrogens, it's whats for boobies.

Came here to say this.
 
2010-09-30 10:13:19 AM
paquerette: Are you confusing it with the issue with pasteurized vs. raw milk? Many people tolerate raw milk in spite of the lactose because raw contains digestive enzymes that help break down the lactose. Pasteurization kills those.

Always been a fan of Pasteur's work, so I haven't tried unpasteurized. I may, but the fact is I drink so little milk these days (animal or plant based) that it doesn't really matter to me.

As for coconut milk, I tried that for a while and loved it. (I *loooooove* coconut milk ice cream.) Problem is I don't have a gallbladder, which means that I have problems digesting fats. (I *was* also, until very recently, gastroparesic (idiopathic), and while that seems to have passed, I still can't eat very fatty foods on account of my still somewhat slowed digestion.) By itself the fatty milk would be little problem. Mix it with anything solid, on the other hand, and that's when the problems start.

Basically I have the after-effects of one rare medical condition (gastroparesis) and a common one (lack of a gallbladder) to contend with. These sort of dictate much of what I can/can't do in regards to food. On good days I can be pretty adventurous. On bad ones -- no time to risk anything. The fact that lactose causes pain in my case (very, very bad pain), means I try to avoid it as much as possible, in whatever form, even when I'm loaded with Lactaid capsules. The effects aren't always immediate, and I may be feeling a bad hit for days.
 
2010-09-30 10:20:30 AM
fark you guys. I'll drink my soy when and where I want
farm5.static.flickr.com
www.yumseng.com
 
2010-09-30 10:21:41 AM
That's one particular brand, idiot. I suppose you no longer drive a car because of the Toyota recall.
 
2010-09-30 10:31:50 AM
The Florida Tag: The fact that lactose causes pain in my case (very, very bad pain), means I try to avoid it as much as possible, in whatever form, even when I'm loaded with Lactaid capsules. The effects aren't always immediate, and I may be feeling a bad hit for days.

This sounds more like a milk protein allergy/sensitivity than lactose.
 
2010-09-30 10:33:10 AM
paquerette: Yes, they are doing it wrong. Americans are eating soy protein isolate and soy oil and soy milk. Traditional Asians are eating fermented soy. Try getting Americans to trade their soy protein isolate for natto.

I eat it pretty regularly, but not until I found out that pouring a bit of cold soba broth over it makes it much more palatable...which is saying something when you're talking about something that looks like old beans in snot. I do eat a lot of tofu, some tempeh, edamame, and have the occasional soy milk with tapioca pearls drink (not sure if the Asian companies do anything different with theirs though). No, I'm not a vegetarian. I just like the stuff.
 
2010-09-30 10:38:05 AM
I stopped my regular consumption of soy milk (about 1 cup a day) because of claims that its estrogen related compounds, not good for men. I switched to vanilla almond milk. Still waiting to hear what problems that will cause. :-)
 
2010-09-30 10:39:13 AM
CleverGuy81: japlemon: SweetHomeNowhere: News Flash: fresh vegetables cause cancer. Joke aside. Try tempeh, a soy product that is 100% fermented in and out. It's like fermented dairy products (like yogurt and not those Dannon or Yop craps) are good for your stomach and bowel.

True, fermented products have less phytates, which does mitigate some of the unfriendly side effects of soy, but I would still exercise caution. It is still a processed food, so I wouldn't base a large percentage of my caloric intake on it. Whole food is always a better option. If you can get raw milk in your state, good on ya, but coconut milk is a far better option than soy as it contains healthy fats and none of tumor growth factors and gut irritants that are inherent in soy products.

And for those of you who drink "skim" by choice for health reasons, you are aware that lowering your fat intake does not help you burn fat, right? The lipid hypothesis, although still endorsed by our government and Big Agra, has been categorically proven as false, even though a few diehards are still clinging to it. It's the sugar that makes us fat. So if you're having a sugary Starbucks concoction and asking for skim milk, thinking you're doing yourself a favor, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!

Agreed! Paleo diet, folks. Look into it a little. It has changed my life.


DUDE! Paleo/Primal FTW! Did you get Robb Wolf's book yet? Mine's on the way. I started with Sisson's book and it also changed my life. I have followed Robb's podcast ("The Paleolithic Solution") and it has been huge in my quest for better health.

I ate a good diet by most standards. Low in sat. fat. Lots of whole grains, yada yada. Lots of fruits. Lots of water. Several small meals per day. Working out three times per week. Pretty tight caloric intake, yet I still had this little "ponch" that I couldn't get rid of and I felt hungry ALL THE TIME, especially on workout days. Plus, my HDL was getting low and my triglycerides were high, per life insurance blood work. My energy levels were up and down and I always felt kinda crummy within an hour of eating a decent sized meal, even if it was "healthy."

Since going Paleo/Primal, I am now back to my high school track and football weight. 6' 175 lbs of pure grissle. And although I have lost 20 pounds, I am stronger. I can lift more. I'm more agile. I can bust out ten full pull ups with no sweat where I used to struggle with five or six. Not to mention my HDLs are up and my triglycerides have plummeted. And I feel a ton better and my appetite is under control.

I recently read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Taubes and it pissed me off finding out that what the government and "experts" have told us about fat was based on bad, biased science. Seriously, read that book. That guy did his homework. The World Health Organization just recently announced that after looking at all the evidence (again) that saturated fat intake has NOTHING to do with the onset of heart disease, yet fat is still considered the bad guy.

Good to find another paleo guy on the intranets. GROK ON!
 
2010-09-30 10:46:16 AM
japlemon: CleverGuy81: japlemon: SweetHomeNowhere: News Flash: fresh vegetables cause cancer. Joke aside. Try tempeh, a soy product that is 100% fermented in and out. It's like fermented dairy products (like yogurt and not those Dannon or Yop craps) are good for your stomach and bowel.

True, fermented products have less phytates, which does mitigate some of the unfriendly side effects of soy, but I would still exercise caution. It is still a processed food, so I wouldn't base a large percentage of my caloric intake on it. Whole food is always a better option. If you can get raw milk in your state, good on ya, but coconut milk is a far better option than soy as it contains healthy fats and none of tumor growth factors and gut irritants that are inherent in soy products.

And for those of you who drink "skim" by choice for health reasons, you are aware that lowering your fat intake does not help you burn fat, right? The lipid hypothesis, although still endorsed by our government and Big Agra, has been categorically proven as false, even though a few diehards are still clinging to it. It's the sugar that makes us fat. So if you're having a sugary Starbucks concoction and asking for skim milk, thinking you're doing yourself a favor, YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG!!!

Agreed! Paleo diet, folks. Look into it a little. It has changed my life.

DUDE! Paleo/Primal FTW! Did you get Robb Wolf's book yet? Mine's on the way. I started with Sisson's book and it also changed my life. I have followed Robb's podcast ("The Paleolithic Solution") and it has been huge in my quest for better health.

I ate a good diet by most standards. Low in sat. fat. Lots of whole grains, yada yada. Lots of fruits. Lots of water. Several small meals per day. Working out three times per week. Pretty tight caloric intake, yet I still had this little "ponch" that I couldn't get rid of and I felt hungry ALL THE TIME, especially on workout days. Plus, my HDL was getting low and my triglycerides were high, per life insurance blood work. My energy levels were up and down and I always felt kinda crummy within an hour of eating a decent sized meal, even if it was "healthy."

Since going Paleo/Primal, I am now back to my high school track and football weight. 6' 175 lbs of pure grissle. And although I have lost 20 pounds, I am stronger. I can lift more. I'm more agile. I can bust out ten full pull ups with no sweat where I used to struggle with five or six. Not to mention my HDLs are up and my triglycerides have plummeted. And I feel a ton better and my appetite is under control.

I recently read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Taubes and it pissed me off finding out that what the government and "experts" have told us about fat was based on bad, biased science. Seriously, read that book. That guy did his homework. The World Health Organization just recently announced that after looking at all the evidence (again) that saturated fat intake has NOTHING to do with the onset of heart disease, yet fat is still considered the bad guy.

Good to find another paleo guy on the intranets. GROK ON!


I'm only on about chapter 4 of the book, but yeah, it's changing my life. Since I started in June, I've dropped about 3 inches in my waist. I estimate that to be 20 pounds, but I don't have a scale, so I don't really know. Important thing is, I feel great and look better. A long way to go, still, but I'm working on it.

By the way, have you noticed how incredibly ANGRY people get when you mention this to them? Particularly on Fark. People here get freakin hostile when you tell them about Paleo.
 
2010-09-30 10:47:10 AM
BenJammin: I stopped my regular consumption of soy milk (about 1 cup a day) because of claims that its estrogen related compounds, not good for men. I switched to vanilla almond milk. Still waiting to hear what problems that will cause. :-)

Almond milk is pretty legit, although it can throw off your omega 3: omega 6 ratio as almonds are pretty high in 6. (If you're unaware of what I'm talking about, google omega 3:omega 6 ratio...VERY IMPORTANT!) Supplement with a good fish oil to help mitigate that and you should be okay. Also, be advised that almond milk isn't as high in protein and reg. milk, but you can always add some whey protein to boost that a bit. And get unsweetened!!! Unsweetened with a bit of cocoa powder and whey protein is good, good stuff!
 
2010-09-30 10:47:29 AM
paquerette: The Florida Tag: The fact that lactose causes pain in my case (very, very bad pain), means I try to avoid it as much as possible, in whatever form, even when I'm loaded with Lactaid capsules. The effects aren't always immediate, and I may be feeling a bad hit for days.

This sounds more like a milk protein allergy/sensitivity than lactose.


Hmm... that's a possibility I hadn't looked into. I'll take a look.
 
2010-09-30 10:48:43 AM
CleverGuy81: japlemon: CleverGuy81:

I'm only on about chapter 4 of the book, but yeah, it's changing my life. Since I started in June, I've dropped about 3 inches in my waist. I estimate that to be 20 pounds, but I don't have a scale, so I don't really know. Important thing is, I feel great and look better. A long way to go, still, but I'm working on it.

By the way, have you noticed how incredibly ANGRY people get when you mention this to them? Particularly on Fark. People here get freakin hostile when you tell them about Paleo.


Well, being fat, tired, and sick usually makes you a bit cranky.

I keed....sorta
 
2010-09-30 10:54:20 AM
Cleverguy...aptly named, sir. Have you had people tell you that you look younger? I have. I only lost twenty pounds but I look A LOT better naked, although I didn't think it would be that obvious in clothes. However, I get comments all the time from clients and friends asking me if I lost weight. Crazy. One of my coworkers said that my overall complexion looks better and I just look "healthier." She ordered Mark's book and she's already lost some weight and got off her acid reflux meds.

Keep it up, bro!
 
2010-09-30 10:56:58 AM
Soy milk also not a healthy alternative when loaded with endocrine disruptors that naturally occur in it either.
 
2010-09-30 10:59:59 AM
I'll stick to marzipan Joy Joys ,thanks.
 
2010-09-30 11:13:04 AM
japlemon: Cleverguy...aptly named, sir. Have you had people tell you that you look younger? I have. I only lost twenty pounds but I look A LOT better naked, although I didn't think it would be that obvious in clothes. However, I get comments all the time from clients and friends asking me if I lost weight. Crazy. One of my coworkers said that my overall complexion looks better and I just look "healthier." She ordered Mark's book and she's already lost some weight and got off her acid reflux meds.

Keep it up, bro!


I'm not very clever. It's just a reference to Fight Club.

I don't know about younger -- I'm starting at 28, almost 29, so I don't really need to look younger. But I don't get headaches anymore, don't need antacids, and yeah, my complexion has improved. Particularly my backne. no more of that.
 
2010-09-30 11:17:48 AM
Genju 2010-09-30 09:30:28 AM

doubled99: paquerette 2010-09-30 09:06:09 AM

The Florida Tag: Genju: I've also heard stories of people drinking skim milk becoming less able to tolerate real milk later on in life. Something about bacteria.

Interesting. So if you consume a watered down version of something all your life, the real stuff will be a bit much for you.
Wow. science.

It's still real milk smartass. I can't even drink skim anymore.


I'm sorry you're defective. Please don't bore us with the details.
 
2010-09-30 11:20:30 AM
CleverGuy81: People here get freakin hostile when you tell them about Paleo.

I'm not hostile, but I'll be damned if I'm giving up cheese. REAL cheese.
 
2010-09-30 11:27:28 AM
uncletogie: CleverGuy81: People here get freakin hostile when you tell them about Paleo.

I'm not hostile, but I'll be damned if I'm giving up cheese. REAL cheese.


A lot of cheeses are probably totally cool, dude. I still eat sharp cheddar and parmagiana. I don't eat cottage cheese, because that stuff is gross anyway. So maybe I'm not a strict paleo guy, but I'm strict enough to get results.
 
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