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2010-09-28 04:51:12 PM  
Badfrog: It seems the only activity every parent I know does nowadays is haul kids to soccer or baseball or some other extra-curricular sport every afternoon and weekend.
/rode our bikes, dammit.


zabadu: That's the one that gets me. There was no way in hell my parents would give up their after work time to cart our butts to anything. You rode your bike, walked or didn't go. Period.

I see what you guys are getting at, and agree with the spirit of it... but you're also assuming that all of a child's extracurriculars are the child's idea. Gods know that were it not for my mum driving me to piano lessons as a grade-schooler, I sure as hell would not have gone. Granted, I did have other extracurriculars that I actually wanted to pursue, but still. Having a child who was learning to play piano was a feather in my mum's cap; to me the lessons ate valuable reading/playing outside/drawing/painting/etc time.

Now that one mum who always waited in her idling Ford Extinction, for however long it took the school bus to show up that day, at the end of my quiet rural street so she could drive her child the less than half-mile it took to get to her house (very short, dead-end street) from there... no reason at all she OMGneeded to play chauffeuse for that.
 
2010-09-28 04:53:20 PM  
Donnchadha: timujin: Not in my family. My niece has basic reading skills, she can sound out words she doesn't know, she can count to 100 in English and Spanish and knows the colors in both languages as well.

She's 3 years old.

Sorry if your kid is dumb, but that's on you.

But she's not your kid -- you're just a bandwagon fan of somebody else's kid. I'm sure as soon as she can't do her multiplication tables or doesn't know how to count change you'll be back here complaining about how dumb she is.


*slow clap*
 
2010-09-28 04:57:42 PM  
habitual_masticator: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates


Good quote, but don't forget he was making that observation right before his civilization cratered into a big smoking hole in the ground from which it took hundreds of years to climb out. Left to our own inherently selfish and lazy devices, I'm sure we could put on a show that would make the declines of the Greek and Roman empires to shame. Last I could figure, the only thing we're missing is vomatoriums to complete the witches' brew. But just give us a little more time...
 
2010-09-28 05:00:20 PM  
I've known many teenagers who know how to use coat hangers...
 
2010-09-28 05:04:16 PM  
strifecat: I've known many teenagers who know how to use coat hangers...

On cars for vajayjays?
 
2010-09-28 05:07:53 PM  
i rule 34: strifecat: I've known many teenagers who know how to use coat hangers...

On cars for or vajayjays?


Fixed
 
2010-09-28 05:07:57 PM  
Pocket Ninja: See, when I was a kid, my mother took me out to the woods and left me there. I was like 2. I had to learn to fend for myself--to kill animals with my bare hands, to plant and harvest my own vegetables. I invented fire at 6, and that revolutionized my life. When my parents came back to the forest to reclaim me on my 10th birthday, I'd pretty much established my own philosophy and religion and begun the basic foundation of what was going to be a grand city I shared with some squirrels I'd managed to tame. I was angry with my parents at first for leaving me, but now I'm so grateful. The skills I learned, the self-awareness and ability to adapt to any situation--that's what kids today are missing.

Is your mom the nutty lady from VCPR?
 
2010-09-28 05:10:38 PM  
WienerButt: I'm 24 and have never met a girl who can cook. By not knowing how to cook, I mean something other than cookies/brownies and spaghetti. Met a girl once who could make baked ziti.

I had a bit of an old fashion father and he literally forced me to watch my mom cook so I could learn. yeah, the whole "Women belong in the kitchen" mentality. I'm literally the only person out of any of my 24 year old friends that can do something other than make ramen or burnt scrambled eggs.

/microwaves ruined good cuisine.
 
2010-09-28 05:11:21 PM  
Priapetic: habitual_masticator: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates

Good quote, but don't forget he was making that observation right before his civilization cratered into a big smoking hole in the ground from which it took hundreds of years to climb out. Left to our own inherently selfish and lazy devices, I'm sure we could put on a show that would make the declines of the Greek and Roman empires to shame. Last I could figure, the only thing we're missing is vomatoriums to complete the witches' brew. But just give us a little more time...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece
Ancient Greece is the civilization belonging to the period of Greek history lasting from the Archaic period of the 8th to 6th centuries BC to 146 BC and the Roman conquest of Greece after the Battle of Corinth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socrates
Socrates (Greek: Σωκράτης, soˈkraːtɛːs, Sōkrátēs; c. 469 BC-399 BC[1], in English pronounced /ˈsɒkrətiːz/) was a Classical Greek Athenian philosopher.

So, "right before" give or take 250 years. Unless the civilization you're referring to is Athens.
 
2010-09-28 05:14:38 PM  
agurule03: /microwaves ruined good cuisine.

Only because lazy people let them.

/learned to cook, weld, change tires, sew, ride motorcycles, and make girls orgasm by 15.
 
2010-09-28 05:24:06 PM  
R.A.Danny: agurule03: /microwaves ruined good cuisine.

Only because lazy people let them.

/learned to cook, weld, change tires, sew, ride motorcycles, and make girls orgasm by 15.


that's funny, I learned how to cook, weld, change tires, sew, ride motorcycles, and FAKE orgasms by 15.
 
2010-09-28 05:35:09 PM  
alzahra: profplump: If you're baking it at 450 or whatever, you're making focaccia or a casserole, not pizza. To properly cook a pizza, you need high and fast heat, otherwise the crust doesn't crisp and carmelize correctly, and you end up with either cardboard or a brick.

Or you could just learn to make a dough that cooks properly in ovens available to mere mortals. It's not like it's impossible to make wheat-based foods at lower temperatures.

I make homemade pizza once a week with the oven on 500, crust placed on a paving stone in the oven (bottom shelf), and my pizzas are LEGENDARY, tyvm. It can be done (deliciously). If you're getting cardboard or a brick, maybe it's the crust you're using, it's not the oven temp.


I spray water into the oven in the last 10 minutes of a hot bake to crisp up crusts- it really works. 3-4 sprays on the oven side, shut door fast.
 
2010-09-28 05:50:14 PM  
sk8r: I spray water into the oven in the last 10 minutes of a hot bake to crisp up crusts- it really works. 3-4 sprays on the oven side, shut door fast.

Interesting, what does that do besides threaten to trigger the smoke alarm?
 
2010-09-28 05:57:49 PM  
alzahra: sk8r: I spray water into the oven in the last 10 minutes of a hot bake to crisp up crusts- it really works. 3-4 sprays on the oven side, shut door fast.

Interesting, what does that do besides threaten to trigger the smoke alarm?


No smoke, just a burst of steam- close the door fast. It briefly wets the outer layer of the crust and causes it to crisp nicely. Just use a cheap sprayer from the $1 store. I don't do it that often for pizza but it really gives bread a nice crunch.
 
2010-09-28 06:06:10 PM  
sk8r: No smoke, just a burst of steam- close the door fast. It briefly wets the outer layer of the crust and causes it to crisp nicely. Just use a cheap sprayer from the $1 store. I don't do it that often for pizza but it really gives bread a nice crunch.

Ooh nice. I don't really have trouble getting a crispy crust, but it's always good to learn some tricks in case they're ever needed!
 
2010-09-28 06:59:27 PM  
Priapetic: habitual_masticator: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates

Good quote, but don't forget he was making that observation right before his civilization cratered into a big smoking hole in the ground from which it took hundreds of years to climb out. Left to our own inherently selfish and lazy devices, I'm sure we could put on a show that would make the declines of the Greek and Roman empires to shame. Last I could figure, the only thing we're missing is vomatoriums to complete the witches' brew. But just give us a little more time...


Well, if it makes you feel any better, that quote is thought to be falsely attributed to Socrates, and is actually from some guy in the twelfth century.
 
2010-09-28 10:46:42 PM  
Are we raising a generation of nincompoops?

Eh, 'raising' is a pretty strong word for what most parents do these days

/dnrtfa
/adnrtft
 
2010-09-28 11:35:27 PM  
Mom FTFA: THE SCHOOLS DIDNT TEACH MY KIDS HOW TO USE A CAN OPENER! WARGLBARGL!

Biatch, you should teach your daughter how to use a can opener. I'm only 7 years older than your daughter, and at her age I damn well knew how to work a can opener even with pop-top cans.

You should teach the 12 year old how to get ice cubes out of the tray. It's not common anymore, and it's not that 12 year olds fault that the person was living like a dinosaur with out an ice-maker. Technology makes life easier. It doesn't make one dumber at all.
 
2010-09-29 12:05:15 AM  
Yes. Yes, we are.
 
2010-09-29 12:14:57 AM  
I've been drinking and I forgot what I was going to say.
 
2010-09-29 12:19:48 AM  
Oh yeah, I can't wait for the solar storm in 2012 or info-pocalypse to happen so we can find out who will survive based on their wits and abilities. My plan is to eat the weak for strength and then eat the strong with my strength. And then I'll do math.
 
2010-09-29 01:21:21 AM  
over in 1
 
2010-09-29 02:03:14 AM  
Brought to you by Carl's Jr?

/fark you, i'm eating
 
2010-09-29 03:01:12 AM  
I work for a private school with a lot of kids who match the descriptions in the article, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2010-09-29 03:48:32 AM  
"Friends playing devil's advocate say I'm wrong to indict a whole generation for the decline of skills they don't need. After all, we no longer have to grow crops, shoot deer, prime a pump or milk a cow to make dinner"

Someone has to have these skills, these things don't materialize out of thin air
 
2010-09-29 08:30:46 AM  
Meanwhile, for all of the complaining about "What the kids aren't doing these days," look at what you old bastard pieces of garbage have done to the economy of this country.

Actually, f*ck, LOOK AT THE PIECE OF SH*T KIDS AND GRANDKIDS YOU RAISED?!

The most selfish generations are also the greatest at projecting. Out of that, let's note the difference between projecting one's lack of skill and projecting one's failure.
 
2010-09-29 08:34:28 AM  
The correct answer is...: The nincompoop generation is already here, giving birth to the farkwit generation.

The decline really began in the early 1980's, but since about 1998, America has been literally drowning under a tsunami of its own stupidity. We now have two complete generatons who have been raised in the "MTV" era, with rapidly decreasing attention spans and cognitive abilities. The rest of the world laughs at how stupid we've become, yet we're too goddamn arrogant and, well, stupid, to recognize it.

Unless very major (fundamental) changes occur in America's commitment to education, this will only get worse, al a Idiocracy.

/yeah, yeah, git off me lawn


I was thinking the other day that I think the cutoff to jackassery is roughly if the individual knew fear of the cold war. Not really because of it. It just seems like that's the age range the idiots begin in greater numbers.
 
2010-09-29 09:25:40 AM  
Need_MindBleach: Priapetic: habitual_masticator: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." - Socrates

Good quote, but don't forget he was making that observation right before his civilization cratered into a big smoking hole in the ground from which it took hundreds of years to climb out. Left to our own inherently selfish and lazy devices, I'm sure we could put on a show that would make the declines of the Greek and Roman empires to shame. Last I could figure, the only thing we're missing is vomatoriums to complete the witches' brew. But just give us a little more time...

Well, if it makes you feel any better, that quote is thought to be falsely attributed to Socrates, and is actually from some guy in the twelfth century.


Meh-- the earliest reliable source comes from the 1950s. It seems to be sort of a paraphrase of an Aristophanes passage, from The Clouds, I think, which makes it a pretty funny misattribution.
 
2010-09-29 02:07:35 PM  
I often get into arguments with my future mother-in-law over this, she esp spoils her youngest daughter (who's a little brat).

They funny thing is she'll complain about giving her kids too much and bemoans the fact they don't appreciate it.

So I told her to simply stop doing it. She claimed she couldn't. Bullshiat, just tell them tough titties and move on. It's that simple.

I'm no parent now, but from what I learned from watching people and babysitting is that you have to tough in your resolve and don't give in. Whenever people get away with stuff it just causes trouble. "Give an inch, they take a mile" basically.

As the child of helicopter parents, I'm not too scared, because I had to learn and adapt to the outside world. Yeah it was a bit of a bumpy ride but I survived and grew up.
 
2010-09-29 05:29:25 PM  
One could just as easily ask, "Were we raised by a generation of nincompoops?" Then, one could proceed to point out how the older set doesn't have email. They don't know what an iPhone is. They spent money they didn't have to promote unsustainable lifestyles. They think it's a good idea to go to college. Etc. Older folks are out of touch with what's relevant these days. And, here I am the porridge that Goldilocks chose: intelligent in every way.
 
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