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(Mercury News)   While leaving a suitcase unattended at any airport will cause evacuations and bomb squads to over react, two heavily armed men dressed in black hanging around doesn't raise an eyebrow   (mercurynews.com) divider line 82
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2010-09-27 02:41:39 PM
Jack Bauer again gets special treatment.
 
2010-09-27 02:45:56 PM
Racist.

/Oh, wearing
 
2010-09-27 02:49:55 PM
I'm gonna assume they were weren't middle eastern.
 
2010-09-27 02:51:39 PM
"I couldn't believe," she said, "that man was so valuable it took two men with assault rifles to escort him to Livermore."

You know what? Neither do I.
What kind of bullshiat was really going on?
 
2010-09-27 03:32:09 PM
A parking control officer at the airport asked his supervisor what he should do.

The response, according to one of the volunteers: "Next time that happens, have one of them sit in the car while the other one comes in." The airport prohibits unattended cars at the curb, especially under the current orange alert level.


Now that's funny.
 
2010-09-27 03:52:28 PM
NutWrench: "I couldn't believe," she said, "that man was so valuable it took two men with assault rifles to escort him to Livermore."

You know what? Neither do I.
What kind of bullshiat was really going on?


FTFA: "Soon, the armed pair greeted another man wearing a baseball cap after he descended the escalator. Together they picked up about a half-dozen pieces of luggage, loaded them into the white SUV and drove off."

Materials transport, probably safe enough stuff for commercial travel but warranted an armed escort. Not sure how they secured the luggage while it was being loaded or unloaded however. Probably not at all, relying only on airport security.

Hear that Cobra Commander? There's a glaring hole in Joe's security detail.
Bwahahahaaahahahaha! Victory shall be ours!
 
2010-09-27 04:40:34 PM
FTFA: Just before 3 p.m. Saturday, a white Chevy Blazer pulled up to the arrival curb outside Terminal A at Mineta San Jose International Airport. Two men dressed in black parked the SUV, switched on its hazard lights and approached the information desk to inquire about American Airlines Flight 1205 from Dallas. Both carried assault rifles strapped across their chests, with handguns in their holsters.

Doesn't the airport have its own security guards or TSA who are supposed to look for things like this? I know that if I see people in battle dress with semi/automatic weapons and no identifying logos/patches at the airport I'm going to calmly notify the nearest official-looking person I see. If I pull up in Arrivals with my hazards on for 30 seconds in a sport shirt with a minivan I always have some asshole cop breathing down my neck like I'm Al-Qaeda or some shiat.
 
2010-09-27 04:42:04 PM
So few eyebrows were raised, they didn't even publish an article about the event.

/wait
 
2010-09-27 05:03:43 PM
In unrelated, and unreported news, one of the US's top nuclear experts was kidnapped in broad daylight at Norman Mineta International Airport. His current whereabouts are unknown, and US officials are not commenting on reports that he had "a number" of suitcases containing unknown documents, material or devices destined for Livermore Nuclear Research Labs.

Airport security officials report that the video of the luggage arriving at the carousel is "fuzzy -- like someone overexposed it or something".
 
2010-09-27 07:29:44 PM
Remember a few years ago when some dorky twit with LEDs on her shirt got arrested at an airport because LEDs are sometimes found in bombs? I guess things have changed.
 
2010-09-27 07:32:17 PM
ne2d: Now that's funny.

It sounds like their training manual is Catch-22 or something equally absurd
 
2010-09-27 07:33:52 PM
It's not illegal to carry weapons in airports as long as you're not inside the "secure zone." I know some folks that routinely open carry at airports in PA. Admittedly they don't carry AR-15's (My guess as to what the "assault rifles" were).
 
2010-09-27 07:34:17 PM
Sounds like an Airplane! skit
 
2010-09-27 07:37:12 PM
ne2d: A parking control officer at the airport asked his supervisor what he should do.

The response, according to one of the volunteers: "Next time that happens, have one of them sit in the car while the other one comes in." The airport prohibits unattended cars at the curb, especially under the current orange alert level.

Now that's funny.


If heavily armed terrorist try to raid our airport, we will have their cars towed.
 
2010-09-27 07:37:26 PM
Oh, come on... if ever there was a time to tow the vehicle.
 
2010-09-27 07:38:24 PM
lexnaturalis: It's not illegal to carry weapons in airports as long as you're not inside the "secure zone." I know some folks that routinely open carry at airports in PA. Admittedly they don't carry AR-15's (My guess as to what the "assault rifles" were).

They're effectively feds. Probably real M4s or something tacticool like an H&K MPwhatever.
 
2010-09-27 07:38:30 PM
NutWrench: "I couldn't believe," she said, "that man was so valuable it took two men with assault rifles to escort him to Livermore."

You know what? Neither do I.
What kind of bullshiat was really going on?


sounds to me like work friends picking up a buddy on the way home from the office
 
2010-09-27 07:39:29 PM
I think I've heard this story before ...
files.g4tv.com
/hot as the game
 
2010-09-27 07:41:21 PM
I saw men with assault rifles in many airports after 9/11.
 
2010-09-27 07:44:17 PM
FTA: "After 15 years of assisting in the terminal, they said, they know what to do when someone loses an ATM card (call 911), when passengers' rides don't show up (lend them a cell phone) and when handed prohibited carry-on items (mail the items to the passengers' homes)."

Wait, what?
 
2010-09-27 07:44:17 PM
+1 thename, ez +1.

Also- If the people weren't threatening, etc- I'd talk to them first and let them tell me some shiat...and then call said company/whatever to check on them...but wtf am I gonna do against machine guns? Desk sounds good.

M4 Colt Commando
 
2010-09-27 07:45:35 PM
Johnston said that it isn't unusual, especially on weekends, for Lawrence security guards to meet personnel at airports. And yes, he said, the security staff members dress in what police call "battle dress uniforms": dark clothing with logos that are difficult to see.

Move along, nothing to see here but a fantastical hyped up news story (I think someone wrote a book about this sort of thing).
 
2010-09-27 07:47:50 PM
the only thing i learned is that we are under an orange alert level
 
2010-09-27 07:49:33 PM
Dman33: FTA: "After 15 years of assisting in the terminal, they said, they know what to do when someone loses an ATM card (call 911), when passengers' rides don't show up (lend them a cell phone) and when handed prohibited carry-on items (mail the items to the passengers' homes)."

Wait, what?


Yeah, that made me wonder too. Should I be calling 911 if I lose my wallet?
 
2010-09-27 07:50:07 PM
Why are their "volunteers" at the airport?
 
2010-09-27 07:50:54 PM
bmr68: I saw men with assault rifles in many airports after 9/11.

they probably had badges
 
2010-09-27 07:52:14 PM
Bergyd: the only thing i learned is that we are under an orange alert level

IT'S ORANGE DAMMIT....AT LEAST ACT LIKE YOU CARE!!!!11!
 
2010-09-27 07:55:19 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: Remember a few years ago when some dorky twit with LEDs on her shirt got arrested at an airport because LEDs are sometimes found in bombs? I guess things have changed.

The LED shirt incident was in Boston, if I remember correctly (wasn't it an MIT student?). People in the bay area don't tend to get worked up when people are oddly dressed, unless the outfit involves big guns.
 
2010-09-27 07:56:05 PM
jehovahs witness protection: Bergyd: the only thing i learned is that we are under an orange alert level

IT'S ORANGE DAMMIT....AT LEAST ACT LIKE YOU CARE!!!!11!


I have no idea what that level even means and I am pretty sure I am by far not the only one.
 
2010-09-27 07:56:45 PM
The fact that they driving a police car that said FEDERAL POLICE department of homeland security and were wearing Federal police uniforms uniforms likely clued local police & security guards that they were OK.

The airport is named after the guy who was Secretary of Transportation on 9/11/2001
he did a hell of a job that day.
 
2010-09-27 07:58:14 PM
Dman33: FTA: "After 15 years of assisting in the terminal, they said, they know what to do when someone loses an ATM card (call 911), when passengers' rides don't show up (lend them a cell phone) and when handed prohibited carry-on items (mail the items to the passengers' homes)."

Wait, what?


was looking for a comment on this, surprised it too so many others before someone said something. Apparently losing an ATM card is an emergency that the police should handle instead of the bank who can just cancel it. It must rank up there with not getting all your chicken mcnuggets.

At least they know to call 911 for a lost ATM card but not for when armed men with big scary rifles show up. For this they need special training.
 
2010-09-27 07:59:04 PM
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/I know, marginally relevant
 
2010-09-27 07:59:12 PM
nburghmatt: bmr68: I saw men with assault rifles in many airports after 9/11.

they probably had badges


or national guard uniforms and no bullets. Remember how to secure the airports it was public knowledge in most newspapers that the national guard at the airports did not have any ammo?
 
2010-09-27 08:00:47 PM
Came for MW2 No Russian...leaving in a body bag.
 
2010-09-27 08:00:52 PM
www.historycommons.org

to give you a little background, we have never been below yellow

infact, "There are no published criteria for the threat levels, and thus no independent way to tell whether the current threat level is accurate. The threat levels Green (low risk) and Blue (general risk) have never been used." -wiki

we also, only hit red for 4 days in august of 2006.
 
2010-09-27 08:02:32 PM
Who wants to have fun and have two arab guys with guns walk into an airport where it is legal to do so and see what happens?

No wait, they'd probably gun them both down, that's not fun.
 
2010-09-27 08:03:03 PM
Panty Sniffer: jehovahs witness protection: Bergyd: the only thing i learned is that we are under an orange alert level

IT'S ORANGE DAMMIT....AT LEAST ACT LIKE YOU CARE!!!!11!

I have no idea what that level even means and I am pretty sure I am by far not the only one.


We just need to scrap that stupid warning system. You can't raise to Red or whatever the highest is because people will panic and you can't lower it to "No Threat" because you always have jackass terrorist (domestic or foreign) who is out there and technically a threat. So it's always going to hover around the middle colors.
 
2010-09-27 08:03:47 PM
Bergyd: infact, "There are no published criteria for the threat levels, and thus no independent way to tell whether the current threat level is accurate. The threat levels Green (low risk) and Blue (general risk) have will never been used." -wiki

Fixed.
 
2010-09-27 08:06:06 PM
Phoenix_M: The fact that they driving a police car that said FEDERAL POLICE department of homeland security and were wearing Federal police uniforms uniforms likely clued local police & security guards that they were OK.


I would question a vehicle that said "federal police" on it much more than an unmarked vehicle. There is no such thing as "federal police" in the US, there is the FBI, DEA, Secret Service, BATF, ICE, but no "federal police".

The claim is that the uniforms, while black, had insignia on them (unclear from that article if the insignia was Xe Services, military or law enforcement) but the insignia was hard to see because it blended well with the uniform (which goes against it being law enforcement, they tend to like to advertise they are cops rather than hide it when in tactical garb).

At least we know they support the 2nd amendment in San Jose ...

Most non-employees probably just thought "oh its police" and ignored the whole thing, showing anyone who cares that all you have to do is dress in black and you can mill about until you just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers.

/obscure?
 
2010-09-27 08:08:23 PM
Antidamascus: Who wants to have fun and have two arab guys with guns walk into an airport where it is legal to do so and see what happens?

No wait, they'd probably gun them both down, that's not fun.


depends on which side of the bullets you are on I guess
 
2010-09-27 08:13:42 PM
trixter_nl: Antidamascus: Who wants to have fun and have two arab guys with guns walk into an airport where it is legal to do so and see what happens?

No wait, they'd probably gun them both down, that's not fun.

depends on which side of the bullets you are on I guess


Unless the TSA guys have the competent people set up as a reaction force and hidden away or something along those lines, I'm pretty sure the Arabs walk about unscathed. Some bystanders would get drilled though.
 
2010-09-27 08:15:27 PM
"I wondered if they were going to shoot somebody coming off the plane," one volunteer said. She resolved to dive under her desk if that happened.

Still, she was worried.


Alright, two things:

1) Nice proactive thinking, there. Way to take the initiative and do something about this. Let's make sure we get that on your resume.

2) Which part of "oh, I guess I'm going to have to hide under my desk to avoid dying in a hail of gunfire today" leads to "still, she was worried"? Was that supposed to settle her down?
 
2010-09-27 08:18:00 PM
trixter_nl: Phoenix_M: The fact that they driving a police car that said FEDERAL POLICE department of homeland security and were wearing Federal police uniforms uniforms likely clued local police & security guards that they were OK.


I would question a vehicle that said "federal police" on it much more than an unmarked vehicle. There is no such thing as "federal police" in the US, there is the FBI, DEA, Secret Service, BATF, ICE, but no "federal police".

The claim is that the uniforms, while black, had insignia on them (unclear from that article if the insignia was Xe Services, military or law enforcement) but the insignia was hard to see because it blended well with the uniform (which goes against it being law enforcement, they tend to like to advertise they are cops rather than hide it when in tactical garb).

At least we know they support the 2nd amendment in San Jose ...

Most non-employees probably just thought "oh its police" and ignored the whole thing, showing anyone who cares that all you have to do is dress in black and you can mill about until you just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers.

/obscure?


Yes, the US now has Federal Police I work at a Federal facility that is patrolled by "Federal Police" from the department of homeland security & live next to the Federal Building in SF. They all drive cars or SUV's that look like this
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-09-27 08:18:09 PM
My other question about this is "What's the big deal?" Two terrorists with rifles can basically randomly shoot up the crowd or go after some specific target. Yet they could do that at basically any other public place in America as well. Or they could walk in with the rifles hidden in duffel backs, pull them out and take their target by surprise. shiat happens in a free society. If you have two guys who are willing to die either via a suicide bombing or a suicide shooting spree you can't stop them. If you can the guns they'll use cars as a weapon or something else. Calm down people.
 
2010-09-27 08:31:36 PM
Anyone know what goes on at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory? I do not.
 
2010-09-27 08:34:08 PM
daleymoe: Anyone know what goes on at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory? I do not.

They handle luggage.
 
2010-09-27 08:35:07 PM
There's so many parodies of the threat level colors that it's almost not worth mentioning it except to dismiss it as less than useless, and in fact we're probably in more danger with it than without. So what do we use to replace it? Glad you asked. Here is Dr. Love Zombie's replacement, guaranteed to do just as much for you as the Threat Rainbow:

Level One -- Watchful: Base level. Everybody just pays attention.
Unattended bags with countdown timers get extra attention. Unattended bags with a teddy bear and a huge Toblerone sticking out of them get taken to Left Luggage where the good stuff will be stolen, just like old times. People with bottles of water will be complimented on how hydrated their skin looks.
People with packages marked Plastique Plai Doe Play Dough Play-Doh will be singled out for extra attention during search.
Bags will be put through normal security. Bags that test positive for explosives will be searched more thoroughly. Bags with a buzzing dildo will be opened and the sex toy duct-taped to the outside of the bag at the carousel.

Level Two -- Active Threat: If there's active chatter that is CREDIBLE evidence of an active plan to do something naughty with an airline, then all agents will begin active screening using the methods taught/trained by El Al. Wait... you mean the majority of the agents in this country can't spell El Al, much less pass the training needed to engage in psychological profiling? Can you say "We're hiring!"? Upon announcement of an Active Threat, all TSA employees with less than a college education will be placed on trash duty, while the rest will begin profiling travelers using the "we've never had a 85 year old grandma in a wheelchair blow shiat up" modality of profiling. In other words, if you have a visa from an Arab country, of course you're farking getting extra attention. Ditto if your name is on a watch list of any sort, UNLESS you're 9 and it's patently obvious that you are not the person that the FBI is looking for. Justin Bieber will immediately be Tased and hogtied, even if he's nowhere near an airport. Yes, at this point you may have to give up your water bottle, but only if you refuse to take a big swig from it.

Level Three -- There is No Level Three. If there is an immediate threat that is credible and there is evidence that a flight or flights have been selected, or that terrorists have initiated an action, well duh. Ground those farking flights. Anyone with a turban suddenly asking to change their ticketing to a flight that is flying high enough to totally break into small pieces will be detained and hogtied next to Justin Bieber until they confess and give up their confederates. I mean, holy crap, people. If we actually know that there's a plan in motion, maybe grounding some stuff would AT THAT POINT be a good idea. But not before.

Things which, in my plan, will get you immediately beaten by men in balaclavas:

Putting anyone younger than 10 or older than 70 through SSSS screening unless they are actively ticking.

Making anyone who is dependent on braces or crutches move any distance without them.

Randomly SSSS searching the 35 year old Green Beret captain who is in uniform, while waving through the four nervous Saudi men right behind him, because "the computer told you to".

Freaking the fark out because someone forgot their goddamn briefcase and forcing an evacuation of the entire airside. Open the farking thing and see if there's an ID. Or, y'know, maybe look at the tag on the outside. Not everyone's D. O. Guerrero, you fool (very few people will get that reference).

If you're a flight attendant and you freak out because someone's mean to you, the air marshal should be allowed to put a bullet in you to shut you the fark up. For a first offense.
 
2010-09-27 08:36:20 PM
Panty Sniffer: jehovahs witness protection: Bergyd: the only thing i learned is that we are under an orange alert level

IT'S ORANGE DAMMIT....AT LEAST ACT LIKE YOU CARE!!!!11!

I have no idea what that level even means and I am pretty sure I am by far not the only one.


www.willisms.com

It means something could go down somewhere in some way at some point in time, SO LOOK SHARP!

ha-ha-guy: shiat happens in a free society.

Which is why there are groups out there doing everything possible to change it. If we give up our freedoms, the mooslims will have nothing to go all terruririst against us for. I think...
 
2010-09-27 08:37:17 PM
jehovahs witness protection: daleymoe: Anyone know what goes on at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory? I do not.

They handle luggage.


I don't know why, but I found that incredibly farking funny.
 
2010-09-27 08:38:07 PM
daleymoe: Anyone know what goes on at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory? I do not.

Like most big government labs, alot of their research has to do with things that go boom. They've got a restricted area in the hills east of Livermore that is easy to spot from the air since it is usually a big charred spot.
 
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