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(Yahoo)   Bill Clinton: It was Colin Powell who convinced me to implement 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Colin Powell: Lyin' cracker-ass honkey said what?   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 36
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2010-09-24 11:42:23 AM
What A Complete Lack Of Credibility Might Look Like:

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2010-09-24 11:47:54 AM
Attractive and successful European Americans please.
 
2010-09-24 11:51:56 AM
So do we believe the chubby chaser or the sell-out?
 
2010-09-24 12:00:14 PM
Quasar: So do we believe the chubby chaser or the sell-out?

It's possible to sort of believe both of them. Powell could have intended the "lax" enforcement of the ban, but then again, he left after it was put in place so then others could be responsible for how it's carried out.
 
2010-09-24 12:42:45 PM
Powell to Clinton: Don't blame 'don't ask' on me

Blame? I hate the American Public. It was only 17 years ago and you can farking google why DADT was enacted. It was better than the status quo back then.

It went like this:

NO GAYS AT ALL --(1997)--> Don't Ask Don't Tell --(2010)--> Gays should be allowed to serve openly.

This shiat reads to me more like:

Powell to Clinton: Don't blame credit 'don't ask' to me
 
2010-09-24 12:43:06 PM
oh how i would love to here him actually say that.

one can dream.
 
2010-09-24 12:45:07 PM
When "don't ask don't tell" was implemented, it changed nothing. That's what commanders liked about it.
 
2010-09-24 12:46:17 PM
Those sons-of-biatches...

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2010-09-24 12:46:32 PM
I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT MAN.
 
2010-09-24 12:47:10 PM
Maybe Clinton should spray him with a hose.

/ifunowatimean
 
2010-09-24 12:47:26 PM
I've been informed by any number of former sailors that a large percent of Navy Medical Corpsman are gay and that no one ever cared, asked or told. Personally, I am polite to anyone who has the power to give me legal opiates.
 
2010-09-24 12:48:08 PM
Quasar: So do we believe the chubby chaser or the sell-out?

Depends on what the definition of is is.
 
2010-09-24 12:49:57 PM
Regardless of the actual and or debatable facts.

That headline made me laugh :)
 
2010-09-24 12:56:01 PM
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2010-09-24 12:57:39 PM
www.daveandthomas.net

Hot
 
2010-09-24 12:59:53 PM
Vampire_Blues: Hot

Momma didn raise no foo
 
2010-09-24 01:01:15 PM
lennavan: Blame? I hate the American Public. It was only 17 years ago and you can farking google why DADT was enacted. It was better than the status quo back then.

It went like this:

NO GAYS AT ALL --(1997)--> Don't Ask Don't Tell --(2010)--> Gays should be allowed to serve openly.


Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a largely ineffective solution that brought about no genuine policy change, but allowed both sides to feel like they'd achieved victory.

In other words, it was EXCELLENT politics.

But to be fair, I don't know that Clinton could have done much better at the time. I mean, if he'd pushed for a more aggressive policy, he probably would have lost Congress in a landslide defeat within a year, and then had the Republicans so angry at him that they'd look for any damn reason to impeach him just to get him out of office.
 
2010-09-24 01:04:33 PM
Subby, I guffawed.

/u funny
 
2010-09-24 01:07:32 PM
aden_nak: Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a largely ineffective solution that brought about no genuine policy change, but allowed both sides to feel like they'd achieved victory.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a largely ineffective solution that allowed gays to serve in the military. It was a step forward.

aden_nak: In other words, it was EXCELLENT politics.

But to be fair, I don't know that Clinton could have done much better at the time. I mean, if he'd pushed for a more aggressive policy, he probably would have lost Congress in a landslide defeat within a year, and then had the Republicans so angry at him that they'd look for any damn reason to impeach him just to get him out of office.


In actual practice, I don't think he could have done anything else, society wasn't exactly wonderfully tolerant of gay people in 93. Not that it's particularly tolerant of them now.
 
2010-09-24 01:15:13 PM
All I know is that it's in my high school history book that he was advised against lifting the ban by Colin Powell.



Who are you to argue with history?
 
2010-09-24 01:20:01 PM
Chump don't want no help, chump don't get no help.

Jive-ass dude don't got no brains anyhow.
 
2010-09-24 01:20:31 PM
Between DADT and the Defense of marriage act, the love that ghey folks have for the DNC baffles me.

And no. You don't have to like either team.
 
2010-09-24 01:21:42 PM
I'm beginning to wonder about Powell's integrity. He seems to change sides a lot when it suits him.
 
2010-09-24 01:31:42 PM
aden_nak

What A Complete Lack Of Credibility Might Look Like:


www.thehotjoints.com
I did not ....

Both are lying, cowardly, asshats.

Also, FTFA
Clinton also said he agreed to the policy because otherwise Congress would have passed an absolute ban on gays in the military.

in 1992, the congress was controlled by the democrats, you know the "equal rights", party of "tolerance".



// the same party that opposed civil rights for racial minorities.
 
2010-09-24 01:34:01 PM
lennavan: In actual practice, I don't think he could have done anything else, society wasn't exactly wonderfully tolerant of gay people in 93. Not that it's particularly tolerant of them now.

Its night and day. I can live openly with my boyfriend and have a picture of him on my desk without fear of being fired (although there are no laws protecting me there). I can also put him on my health care policy (although I have to pay taxes on it). Having him in my will is no longer unusual.

That's not to say that we don't have far to go - but people also forget how far we've come in just 15 to 20 years.
 
2010-09-24 01:36:12 PM
fireclown: Between DADT and the Defense of marriage act, the love that ghey folks have for the DNC baffles me.

And no. You don't have to like either team.


Republicans want to criminalize our sex and constitutionally ban us from having legal relationships. Amongst other reasons.

It's pretty easy to see which side we prefer.
 
2010-09-24 01:45:12 PM
OnlyM3:
in 1992, the congress was controlled by the democrats, you know the "equal rights", party of "tolerance".



// the same party that opposed civil rights for racial minorities.


LOLWUT.
 
2010-09-24 01:57:42 PM
Republicans don't want gays in the military because they want a way to get discharged should there ever be another draft.
 
2010-09-24 01:59:11 PM
lennavan: aden_nak: Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a largely ineffective solution that brought about no genuine policy change, but allowed both sides to feel like they'd achieved victory.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a largely ineffective solution that allowed gays to serve in the military. It was a step forward.


It was the worst possible solution. Either let them serve openly, or don't let them serve at all. Either extreme is defensible, but the whole "You can serve, but not openly. We won't be actively looking, but if we do find out, you're toast" compromise was a position that wasn't tenable even when it was proposed.

In effect, DADT implicitly promised something that it couldn't deliver: That gays could serve, and still do the things that gays do.
 
2010-09-24 02:00:28 PM
OnlyM3: aden_nak

What A Complete Lack Of Credibility Might Look Like:

I did not ....

Both are lying, cowardly, asshats.

Also, FTFA
Clinton also said he agreed to the policy because otherwise Congress would have passed an absolute ban on gays in the military.
in 1992, the congress was controlled by the democrats, you know the "equal rights", party of "tolerance".

// the same party that opposed civil rights for racial minorities.


Except one of those guys was lying about a blowjob, and the other one was lying about a war that has cost thousands of American lives, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. The fact that you equate the two tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about you.

Intentionally ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Democrats who opposed the civil rights movement are now Republicans (or even better, deceased) today is just filler, really.

lennavan: aden_nak: Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a largely ineffective solution that brought about no genuine policy change, but allowed both sides to feel like they'd achieved victory.

Don't Ask, Don't Tell was a largely ineffective solution that allowed gays to serve in the military. It was a step forward.


Even I'll concede that it was a step forward, and probably WAS as much as he could have gotten done. But it certainly didn't stop the persecution of gays in the military. It just allowed the military to ignore that fact when it was convenient. Such as knowingly allowing gay soldiers to serve their tours in Iraq and then discharging them AFTER they got back to short-change them.
 
2010-09-24 04:59:58 PM
aden_nak

Intentionally ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Democrats who opposed the civil rights movement are now Republicans (or even better, deceased)


LIE detector just went off the scale. That aside, the ones that are dead, like the recently deceased robert byrd (democrat Klan leader) were/are idolized by "modern" democrats who democrats referred to him as the Conscience of the senate *ROTFL*

BTW.. southern democrat has histoicaly stood for klan membership. Northerners don't get off any easier, remember the NY riots (democrats) against a Republican President lynched and beat many blacks.
 
2010-09-24 05:53:52 PM
OnlyM3: aden_nak

Intentionally ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of the Democrats who opposed the civil rights movement are now Republicans (or even better, deceased)


LIE detector just went off the scale. That aside, the ones that are dead, like the recently deceased robert byrd (democrat Klan leader) were/are idolized by "modern" democrats who democrats referred to him as the Conscience of the senate *ROTFL*

BTW.. southern democrat has histoicaly stood for klan membership. Northerners don't get off any easier, remember the NY riots (democrats) against a Republican President lynched and beat many blacks.


Good thing you have such a clear grasp on recent history and "facts".

/snert
 
2010-09-24 09:55:52 PM
bravian: lennavan: In actual practice, I don't think he could have done anything else, society wasn't exactly wonderfully tolerant of gay people in 93. Not that it's particularly tolerant of them now.

Its night and day. I can live openly with my boyfriend and have a picture of him on my desk without fear of being fired (although there are no laws protecting me there). I can also put him on my health care policy (although I have to pay taxes on it). Having him in my will is no longer unusual.

That's not to say that we don't have far to go - but people also forget how far we've come in just 15 to 20 years.


It also depends on where you are (regionally and careerwise) and who you know. I recently met a woman from a US region that is not reknown for its tolerance. She's out when at home amongst friends, but very much in the closet anywhere beyond her immediate community, for safety's sake.

I guess this just reinforces your point about having come far, and having far yet to go.
 
2010-09-24 11:19:34 PM
Wait, why don't they want credit? DADT was a big step forwards for the military and although gays have always deserved open enlistment, I appreciate the wisdom in taking baby steps with so many gay haters around.
 
2010-09-25 01:53:07 AM
Wait a minute, who says a democrat controlled congress wouldn't have supported an outright ban on gays in the military? Democrats could have defected on the issue just like two of them did on the DADT debacle we are facing now. Whatever. Don't blame Clinton for not doing enough. A group of rich jerks like congress are fairly unpredictable.
 
2010-09-26 10:39:45 AM
dittybopper:
In effect, DADT implicitly promised something that it couldn't deliver: That gays could serve, and still do the things that gays do.


The theory of DADT was a step forward. The actual practice of DADT, actively searching out and removing gays from the military was no different than the way things were.

The law was better, the implementation of the law was not.
 
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