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2010-09-23 03:36:57 PM
As someone who lives in Iowa, I totally support this
 
2010-09-23 03:38:45 PM
what the fark is that headline trying to say?

punctuation derpmitter, learn it!
 
2010-09-23 03:58:21 PM
roll another one Subby
 
2010-09-23 04:05:58 PM
Isn't that a federal law?
 
2010-09-23 04:10:48 PM
If Pawlenty is removed from Minn governor, they will become more sensible with marijuana laws. If Illinois passes legislation on top of that, Wisconsin will be under a lot of pressure to change their laws.
 
2010-09-23 04:41:01 PM
Barfmaker: Isn't that a federal law?
 
2010-09-23 05:14:33 PM
Oh, Green Party. So it's the one who has zero chance of winning.
 
2010-09-23 05:24:08 PM
Even if we didn't tax a single ounce of marijuana sold in this country, legalizing it would still help the budget crisis. Clothing, feeding and incarcerating half a million people is expensive.
 
2010-09-23 05:41:51 PM
As an Illinoian... Illinoin? Illini?


as a person from Illinois I find this headline... hey, nachos!
 
2010-09-23 05:42:18 PM
aden_nak: Even if we didn't tax a single ounce of marijuana sold in this country, legalizing it would still help the budget crisis. Clothing, feeding and incarcerating half a million people is expensive.

Yes, it is. I don't think the private prison contractors are going to let go of that feeding trough that easily.
 
2010-09-23 05:42:52 PM
Does tax marijuana taste different from plain marijuana?
 
2010-09-23 05:43:53 PM
It's Illinoisan.
 
2010-09-23 05:44:58 PM
The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Now that printed newspapers are dying, is not it interesting that with the death of print, we are on the verge of legalizing cannabis.
 
2010-09-23 05:45:23 PM
Libertarian, or Green? He can't be someone who actually has a chance to win.
 
2010-09-23 05:47:04 PM
Subby

What in the hell is Tax Marijuana? That sounds like no fun at all. I say keep it illegal.
 
2010-09-23 05:47:37 PM
signaljammer: It's Illinoisan.

I thought it was either flatlander or FIB.

/neither of these offend me
//live two blocks from Chicago
///lived in Wisconsin
 
2010-09-23 05:47:38 PM
Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Now that printed newspapers are dying, is not it interesting that with the death of print, we are on the verge of legalizing cannabis.


Don't forget the chemical companies that didn't want cheap hemp rope competing with their new fangled synthetic fibers. Little known fact, durring WWII the US allowed hemp to be grown again because the chemical companies couldn't keep up with the navy's demand for rope and cloth.
 
2010-09-23 05:47:50 PM
Here is a so-named newspaper:

Link (new window)
 
2010-09-23 05:52:28 PM
Oh god, Rich Whitney again. Let me highlight my favorite part of his pie-in-the-sky website (new window).

Accordingly, if elected Governor of Illinois, I would honor my commitment to the Constitution and established international law, and assert the Governor's right to veto any mobilization of the Illinois National Guard for service in Iraq or Afghanistan.
 
2010-09-23 05:52:35 PM
Maybe if the Chicago mayor could get kickbacks from "franchises" of weed sales they could finally break the ignorant unions there.
 
2010-09-23 05:54:30 PM
hmmmm, stay in Wisconsin or move back down to Roselle. hmmmm...

fark it. Potland, Oregon here I come!
 
2010-09-23 05:54:55 PM
Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Now that printed newspapers are dying, is not it interesting that with the death of print, we are on the verge of legalizing cannabis.


I thought the more recent reason it is illegal is the difficulty in controlling the supply to effectively tax it. It's too easy for people to grow their own - how would the government get their cut of that?
 
2010-09-23 05:55:08 PM
aden_nak: Even if we didn't tax a single ounce of marijuana sold in this country, legalizing it would still help the budget crisis. Clothing, feeding and incarcerating half a million people is expensive.

Its less expensive, on balance, than you think. Prison has become an industry, and industry is good for the economy.

I don't LIKE that its an industry, but it is, and technically better for the economy if its thriving (all other factors excluded).
 
2010-09-23 05:55:47 PM
Rich Whitney is a troll. A troll that likes to smoke pot. ~~~Pot~~~ toking~~~smroll~~~
 
2010-09-23 05:56:56 PM
Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?
 
2010-09-23 05:57:54 PM
downstairs: I don't LIKE that its an industry, but it is, and technically better for the economy if its thriving (all other factors excluded).

No, I think it would be better for the economy if the people who are behind bars unnecessarily were able to positively contribute to the GDP instead of being an unfortunate drain on it.
 
2010-09-23 06:00:33 PM
Guelph35: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Now that printed newspapers are dying, is not it interesting that with the death of print, we are on the verge of legalizing cannabis.

I thought the more recent reason it is illegal is the difficulty in controlling the supply to effectively tax it. It's too easy for people to grow their own - how would the government get their cut of that?


The same way they get there cut with home brew beer. Sales tax on the goods needed to start a decent grow setup and the extra revenue from the electric meter.

Hell, just the reduced number of people in jail and the clearing up of the justice system for farking REAL crimes would save enough cash to make it worth while.
 
2010-09-23 06:02:01 PM
theorellior: No, I think it would be better for the economy if the people who are behind bars unnecessarily were able to positively contribute to the GDP instead of being an unfortunate drain on it.

That's what I meant by all other factors.

I'm all for legalization for many reasons. People just have to understand the opposition is not just a moral one. It is absolutely economic.
 
2010-09-23 06:02:53 PM
theorellior: downstairs: I don't LIKE that its an industry, but it is, and technically better for the economy if its thriving (all other factors excluded).

No, I think it would be better for the economy if the people who are behind bars unnecessarily were able to positively contribute to the GDP instead of being an unfortunate drain on it.


Exactly. If they were incarcerating cats or dogs, maybe you could have a (flawed) argument.

But since we are talking about people, taking 500,000 potentially productive people out of the economy and then paying to keep them clothed and fed is just plain stupid unless you are doing it for good reason. Doing it because they smoked/possessed marijuana is farking retarded.
 
2010-09-23 06:04:12 PM
I'm a Chicagoan myself. FIP, FIB? The insults of pasty-faced Midwesterners are akin to pasta flagellation.

//al
//dente
 
2010-09-23 06:04:43 PM
Maus III: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?


Interesting coincidence.
 
2010-09-23 06:07:07 PM
Maus III: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?


I wasn't the one you were responding to but I'm sure I've heard that in quite a few documentaries on how pot came to be illegal.
 
2010-09-23 06:11:51 PM
Marijuana is probably headed for legalization.

It's no coincidence that during the affluent '20s, we banned alcohol, and as soon as the Great Depression hit, we realized we couldn't afford to have a giant underground economy that wasn't being taxed, and repealed the ban.

Same thing will probably happen with the Great Recession.
 
2010-09-23 06:12:58 PM
jonasborg: If Pawlenty is removed from Minn governor, they will become more sensible with marijuana laws. If Illinois passes legislation on top of that, Wisconsin will be under a lot of pressure to change their laws.

And i'm sure our new governor who looks like Scott Walker will go for that. He's all about 0 taxes, no gubment interference, and family values. Honestly I doubt Tom Barrett would go for it either. But if we got Michigan to legalize it we would have a shot
 
2010-09-23 06:12:59 PM
downstairs: Maus III: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?

I wasn't the one you were responding to but I'm sure I've heard that in quite a few documentaries on how pot came to be illegal.


Oh. I did not realize s/he was questioning how pot became illegal.

Google "Hearst" and marijuana. Hearst invented the word "Marijuana" to associate it with Mexicans. He published stories about how "Negros" would smoke "marijuana" and play the devil's jazz music while raping white women.

Not surprisingly, America bought Hearst's story completely.
 
2010-09-23 06:13:28 PM
"Marijuana is a drug and it is illegal because the Food and Drug Administration, law enforcement and others believe it should be. I continue to support those folks," Brady said.

Argument by appeal to authority, 15 yard penalty and loss of down. It's like these farkers don't even try any more.

/worse thing about pot is getting caught with it
//second worse is your buddy finding out you had some and didn't share
///third worse is tha.... OH MY GOD A GIANT POPCORN BALL!! FOOD!
 
2010-09-23 06:13:30 PM
downstairs: aden_nak: Even if we didn't tax a single ounce of marijuana sold in this country, legalizing it would still help the budget crisis. Clothing, feeding and incarcerating half a million people is expensive.

Its less expensive, on balance, than you think. Prison has become an industry, and industry is good for the economy.

I don't LIKE that its an industry, but it is, and technically better for the economy if its thriving (all other factors excluded).


How is an industry that is supported entirely by tax dollars, produces nothing, and provides no services good for the economy?
 
2010-09-23 06:14:30 PM
downstairs: Maus III: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?

I wasn't the one you were responding to but I'm sure I've heard that in quite a few documentaries on how pot came to be illegal.


Not so much. (Not blaming you, but the documentaries repeating the same old stuff.)

Hemp wasn't a mighty industry in the U.S. prior to passage of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. Only about 1,300 acres of hemp--about two square miles--were under cultivation. It was cheaper to import the stuff than grow it.

Even so, total U.S. consumption was only about 2,000 tons, and most of that was used for rope and such.
 
2010-09-23 06:19:41 PM
Why the hell not? Expunge all criminal records that exist for mere possession, charge back-taxes on released dealers of reefer, and clean out the jails at the same time. Crime goes down as dope is now perfectly legal, cost to house and feed a LOT of incarcerated folks because of being arrested for weed goes away, the criminal element tied up in growing the stuff goes away, and it massively hurts the drug trade, or at least part of it. How do we lose?

/oh wait, think of the children!
//investing in Frito Lay stocks ahead of the boom.
 
2010-09-23 06:20:21 PM
kriegsgeist: downstairs: aden_nak: Even if we didn't tax a single ounce of marijuana sold in this country, legalizing it would still help the budget crisis. Clothing, feeding and incarcerating half a million people is expensive.

Its less expensive, on balance, than you think. Prison has become an industry, and industry is good for the economy.

I don't LIKE that its an industry, but it is, and technically better for the economy if its thriving (all other factors excluded).

How is an industry that is supported entirely by tax dollars, produces nothing, and provides no services good for the economy?


Yeah, I've heard this mindset before: that anything is good for the economy as long as people are being employed doing it. This is generally the logic employed by those who claim that war is good for the economy.

If that were really how economies work, we could instantly fix the economy by giving everyone jobs playing Zynga games on Facebook.
 
2010-09-23 06:20:44 PM
kriegsgeist: How is an industry that is supported entirely by tax dollars, produces nothing, and provides no services good for the economy?

I'm not necessarily arguing with you here, because the argument would be flawed. I was just pointing out that prisons DO employ LOTS of people, and have quite a bit of lobbying power.

They also have a lot of power in stirring up moral issues in idiot voters.
 
2010-09-23 06:21:07 PM
Why is "legalization" always followed in the same sentence with taxes? It's a plant that grows most anywhere. What I grow and consume on my private property is not the government's business.
 
2010-09-23 06:22:04 PM
JosephFinn: downstairs: Maus III: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?

I wasn't the one you were responding to but I'm sure I've heard that in quite a few documentaries on how pot came to be illegal.

Not so much. (Not blaming you, but the documentaries repeating the same old stuff.)

Hemp wasn't a mighty industry in the U.S. prior to passage of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. Only about 1,300 acres of hemp--about two square miles--were under cultivation. It was cheaper to import the stuff than grow it.

Even so, total U.S. consumption was only about 2,000 tons, and most of that was used for rope and such.


Interesting, but all this article claims is Hearst was not responsible for demonizing cannabis (clearly he was a big part of swaying public opinion) but does not give any other compelling reason why it was made illegal.
 
2010-09-23 06:22:53 PM
Wodheila: Why is "legalization" always followed in the same sentence with taxes? It's a plant that grows most anywhere. What I grow and consume on my private property is not the government's business.

Well, yeah, technically you could grow barley and hops in your backyard and turn it into beer and drink it, and you'd be receiving your beer tax-free.

I, like most Americans, would prefer to have someone else do that shiat for me. That's where taxes come in.
 
2010-09-23 06:22:55 PM
Wodheila: Why is "legalization" always followed in the same sentence with taxes? It's a plant that grows most anywhere. What I grow and consume on my private property is not the government's business.

Like how people can grow their own vegetables, so there's no market for vegetables at grocery stores.
 
2010-09-23 06:22:57 PM
Wodheila: Why is "legalization" always followed in the same sentence with taxes? It's a plant that grows most anywhere. What I grow and consume on my private property is not the government's business.

Most people won't take the time to grow it, just like most people don't take the time to homebrew beer.

Most people will go to the government-controlled state store to get their legal pot.
 
2010-09-23 06:25:35 PM
Stanfan114: JosephFinn: downstairs: Maus III: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?

I wasn't the one you were responding to but I'm sure I've heard that in quite a few documentaries on how pot came to be illegal.

Not so much. (Not blaming you, but the documentaries repeating the same old stuff.)

Hemp wasn't a mighty industry in the U.S. prior to passage of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. Only about 1,300 acres of hemp--about two square miles--were under cultivation. It was cheaper to import the stuff than grow it.

Even so, total U.S. consumption was only about 2,000 tons, and most of that was used for rope and such.

Interesting, but all this article claims is Hearst was not responsible for demonizing cannabis (clearly he was a big part of swaying public opinion) but does not give any other compelling reason why it was made illegal.


I've heard it was good old-fashioned racism. America first became conscious of marijuana when it was reported that some of Pancho Villa's smoked it, and thus its original reputation was that it was a drug for dirty Mexicans.
 
2010-09-23 06:25:45 PM
UnkoSuru: Wodheila: Why is "legalization" always followed in the same sentence with taxes? It's a plant that grows most anywhere. What I grow and consume on my private property is not the government's business.

Well, yeah, technically you could grow barley and hops in your backyard and turn it into beer and drink it, and you'd be receiving your beer tax-free.

I, like most Americans, would prefer to have someone else do that shiat for me. That's where taxes come in.


Exactly. I've grown my own cannabis to smoke for 15 years (never sold it once). It's hard work and takes months for the first harvest, you deal with disease, pests, ph levels, tds levels, expensive lights and hydro equipment, plants that hermie, the cops, etc. Since I got my medical cannabis card I just buy it from the dispensary.
 
2010-09-23 06:25:54 PM
JosephFinn: downstairs: Maus III: Stanfan114: The reason marijiana (cannabis) was made illegal was because the paper companies did not want competition from cheap hemp paper. And the newspapers owned the paper companies.

Wow! Original research? Or copy-pasta from Wiccapedia?

I wasn't the one you were responding to but I'm sure I've heard that in quite a few documentaries on how pot came to be illegal.

Not so much. (Not blaming you, but the documentaries repeating the same old stuff.)

Hemp wasn't a mighty industry in the U.S. prior to passage of the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. Only about 1,300 acres of hemp--about two square miles--were under cultivation. It was cheaper to import the stuff than grow it.

Even so, total U.S. consumption was only about 2,000 tons, and most of that was used for rope and such.


If we could get rid of the ban on hemp, it's a cheap crop that could be cultivated that doesn't wreck good farmland, can grow with practically no fertilizers, and restores good nutrients to soil...and is a far better source of Ethanol than Corn, not to mention its use for paper, fabrics, rope, etc.

Corn as an agricultural crop destroys tillable soils and robs them of vital nutrients, requires a LOT of irrigation and pesticides, etc. for a crop that, aside from the nutritional value (which IMHO is questionable since the body doesn't fully digest corn anyway), is a poor source of ethanol products and further takes up good tillable land that could grow more sustainable food crops.

Using Hemp as a crop to push nutrients into marginal land and build up the soil, and provide source material for a variety of products with little energy input seems to me to be a good way to go.
 
2010-09-23 06:26:41 PM
Guelph35: I thought the more recent reason it is illegal is the difficulty in controlling the supply to effectively tax it. It's too easy for people to grow their own - how would the government get their cut of that?

I doubt it. You can grow tobacco in your back yard. They tax that just fine.
 
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