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2010-09-23 01:29:52 PM
Dr Dreidel: SearchN: Dr Dreidel: SearchN: Pretty sure the ID is only valid for the state of Colorado. As soon as you crossed back over to KS it won't mean jack.

"Full Faith and Credit" be damned!!

// yes, I know possession means within boundary lines it's still illegal

Tell you what. Next time we do this:

[lots-of-smoke.jpg]

Ill smoke one for you.

/Image is hot.

Where is that from, and can I have a ticket?


CU, Boulder CO. April 20th. The cops usually just watch the crowd to make sure fights don't break out. Fun time. Lots of hot coed's as well that like to get crazy in the center of it.
 
2010-09-23 01:30:24 PM
skullkrusher: smoked weed laced with dust once accidentally

That shiat sux. Unfortunately I have laced many a thing intentionally into my joints in the past. Not smart, and not good. Can't say I ever had a "Good time" with the powder. I'd never share without telling either, that is the worst kind of evil.
 
2010-09-23 01:30:35 PM
As an ex California resident who does not smoke or partake of Marijuana in any form, I hope the decriminalization happens.
 
2010-09-23 01:32:43 PM
saintstryfe: One question I have is how it relates to business. Will a business be able to discriminate against employees due to use of a product that is legal? Will, say, Office Depot be able to fire or not hire people for finding pot in their system?

Yes.

"Maintains an employer's right to address consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance."
 
2010-09-23 01:34:19 PM
D_Evans45: knbber2: Where the heck are you going to smoke it? You can't smoke a cigarette anywhere in CA including outside and often in your own apartment without the nicotene Nazis descending on you.


In your house or your backyard? Or in your car?

Also, it isn't illegal to smoke cigarettes outside in CA, it's usually just a certain foot distance from establishment entrance/exits. I smoked cigarettes for years walking around out here and never once was even looked at sideways by a cop, nor do I know any smokers who have gotten a ticket for any such thing.

/Glad I ditched the cancer sticks


San Luis Obispo and Los Gatos, Ca. I've been ticketed in both towns for smoking on a public street( not littering). In Santa Cruz, the city allows smoking but not down Center or Front streets, I believe. Also lots of smaller towns force you so far from public businesses that you are either standing in the middle of the street blocking traffic (also misdemeaner) or smoking illegaly err criminally? Violating anti smoking laws / ordinances.

Someone stack a round, my head hurts.
 
2010-09-23 01:37:15 PM
FlashHarry: the funny thing is, this initiative might actually get enough young people off the couch

Yeah, but ,like, later, maaaan.
 
2010-09-23 01:39:10 PM
Oh, and video (new window). 1:23 mark is when it starts to pick up. Watch it to the end.
 
2010-09-23 01:40:19 PM
keylock71: I love Thai Taste

They've got a pretty awesome Karaoke night going on Thursdays that you should check out. Also they just doubled the size of the place, and added a fulltime sushi chef.
 
2010-09-23 01:41:35 PM
KrustyKitten: D_Evans45: knbber2: Where the heck are you going to smoke it? You can't smoke a cigarette anywhere in CA including outside and often in your own apartment without the nicotene Nazis descending on you.


In your house or your backyard? Or in your car?

Also, it isn't illegal to smoke cigarettes outside in CA, it's usually just a certain foot distance from establishment entrance/exits. I smoked cigarettes for years walking around out here and never once was even looked at sideways by a cop, nor do I know any smokers who have gotten a ticket for any such thing.

/Glad I ditched the cancer sticks

San Luis Obispo and Los Gatos, Ca. I've been ticketed in both towns for smoking on a public street( not littering). In Santa Cruz, the city allows smoking but not down Center or Front streets, I believe. Also lots of smaller towns force you so far from public businesses that you are either standing in the middle of the street blocking traffic (also misdemeaner) or smoking illegaly err criminally? Violating anti smoking laws / ordinances.

Someone stack a round, my head hurts.


Santa Cruz also has an interesting legal structure in reference to MJ.

A few years back, the city voted to make ticketing for Marijuana the single lowest priority for the police department. Below Jaywalking.

On 4/20, outside of the Porter College Campus on the University, there are several thousand people smoking out in a public field. Typically, the cops are there and, typically, they basically just make sure nobody hurts themselves or anybody else. No arrests. No tickets.

Good town. I'm proud to call it home, even if it makes me wince from embarrassment once in a while.
 
2010-09-23 01:42:22 PM
skullkrusher: I was 15

skullkrusher: Fall of 1990

Trap sprung, old Farker spotted.
 
2010-09-23 01:46:25 PM
Jackson Herring: skullkrusher: I was 15

skullkrusher: Fall of 1990

Trap sprung, old Farker spotted.


www.simpsoncrazy.com
 
2010-09-23 01:47:10 PM
I'm amazed the copypasta got so many legitimate bite.
 
2010-09-23 01:59:55 PM
Jackson Herring

skullkrusher: I was 15

skullkrusher: Fall of 1990

Trap sprung, old Farker spotted.


If 30-something is old...you're screwed.
 
2010-09-23 02:00:28 PM
Great Justice: BC

If Cali does legalize pot, it will become a states rights issue pretty quick since there is also a federal law banning the cultivation of cannabis of any kind... even though hemp was a cash crop up until that point. I believe it had something to do with Dow wanting to make plastic rope or some other nonsense.
 
2010-09-23 02:00:53 PM
Jackson Herring: skullkrusher: I was 15

skullkrusher: Fall of 1990

Trap sprung, old Farker spotted.


That's not old... says the guy who was 20 back then.
 
2010-09-23 02:02:58 PM
KrustyKitten: San Luis Obispo and Los Gatos, Ca. I've been ticketed in both towns for smoking on a public street( not littering). In Santa Cruz, the city allows smoking but not down Center or Front streets, I believe. Also lots of smaller towns force you so far from public businesses that you are either standing in the middle of the street blocking traffic (also misdemeaner) or smoking illegaly err criminally? Violating anti smoking laws / ordinances.

Someone stack a round, my head hurts.



Maybe because those are beach cities that are really trying to go for the trash/cig butt free clean thing. Down here in the Inland Empire we've got signs all over the place saying "Smoking is prohibited with 50 feet of this entrance" and shiat like that.

I was referring to his statement that all outdoor smoking in all of CA is prohibited by law when it really isn't the case.
 
2010-09-23 02:04:04 PM
ga362: In states with mmj, do you have to be a resident to obtain a card?

Yeah.

But it's dirt fuhking cheap ($50 around here) and easy to get for anyone (insomnia works for all of them because you don't need previous medical records).
 
2010-09-23 02:07:49 PM
Madre de Dios: Great Justice: BC

If Cali does legalize pot, it will become a states rights issue pretty quick since there is also a federal law banning the cultivation of cannabis of any kind... even though hemp was a cash crop up until that point. I believe it had something to do with Dow wanting to make plastic rope or some other nonsense.



No it was DuPont who was going to go down the tubes because plastics derived from cannabis were 4x cheaper to produce. Old DuPont had a huge interest in keeping it illegal.

Him and a newspaper mogul names William Randolph Hearst threw huge financial backing to keep the shiat illegal. Hearst was threatened by hemp paper as it is exponentially faster and easier to produce then paper from wood pulp (which takes years just for a single tree, while acres of hemp can be repeatedly grown every year).

Also the DEA czar at the time was rabid and there was a lot of racist propaganda associated with cannabis use.

/That there devil weed makes them there neegers and spics loco and makes em look at da white wimmens!
 
2010-09-23 02:09:31 PM
Please let it pass so my legitimate business can grow and prosper!
 
2010-09-23 02:16:34 PM
As an aside to that little hemp post, before all the green craze, back in the 40s Henry Ford was already experimenting with biodegradable car parts, including incredibly strong plastics derived from cannabis. I remember an old black and white clip of him hitting the hemp frame with a sledgehammer and the hammer just bounces back like a toy. He also experimented with running vehicles on hemp oil.

Link

Man was years ahead of his time. The government prohibition on a useful resource like cannabis stifled what could have become important and necessary industries (cloth, paper, auto, etc.). Even the benign shiat without THC. Amazing....
 
2010-09-23 02:40:22 PM
wyrlss: My brother died after overdosing on Marijuana.

He was invited by the "cool kids" to hang out at some kids house whose liberal parents had left for the weekend.
My brother, always a moral and thoughtful individual, wanted to attend because it was one of those massive house parties that he'd never been to.
Well, as was later recalled by some of his friends at the party, he was pressured into smoking marijuana. He ended up smoking the entire pack of marijuana cigarettes. Not long after he went into convulsions and started foaming at the mouth. The people at the party held back calling 9/11 for almost 10 minutes. When the paramedics finally arrived they could do nothing to save him.
The autopsy revealed he had 3 times the lethal dosage of THC in his blood.
But I'm sure everyone here will deny my story and the fact that my brother died after smoking that illegal narcotic.


/citation.jpg
 
2010-09-23 02:41:34 PM
If we legalize it will you hippies shut the fark up already?
 
2010-09-23 02:43:12 PM
D_Evans45: No it was DuPont who was going to go down the tubes because plastics derived from cannabis were 4x cheaper to produce. Old DuPont had a huge interest in keeping it illegal.

Him and a newspaper mogul names William Randolph Hearst threw huge financial backing to keep the shiat illegal. Hearst was threatened by hemp paper as it is exponentially faster and easier to produce then paper from wood pulp (which takes years just for a single tree, while acres of hemp can be repeatedly grown every year).

Also the DEA czar at the time was rabid and there was a lot of racist propaganda associated with cannabis use.

/That there devil weed makes them there neegers and spics loco and makes em look at da white wimmens!


been a while since I've looked it up, but isn't it legal to grow hemp? As in it is virtually impossible to get high from smoking the male plants... or something like that... in any case, can't you legally grow hemp?
 
2010-09-23 02:43:48 PM
Pillage

If we legalize it will you hippies shut the fark up already?

You think only hippies smoke weed? That's cute.
 
2010-09-23 02:44:51 PM
FTFA: Before that, Survey USA (another national firm that, like PPP, conducts automated polls) showed legalization prevailing 56 - 42 percent in an April 20 (ha.) survey of 500 Californians.

img824.imageshack.us
 
2010-09-23 02:48:08 PM
busy chillin': Pillage

If we legalize it will you hippies shut the fark up already?

You think only hippies smoke weed? That's cute.


Doctors smoke it, Lawyers smoke it
Sound guys smoke it yeah yeah, even my dog tokes it.

they can't all be hippies.
 
2010-09-23 02:55:57 PM
I can't wait 'til i can go into a 7-11 and ask for a pack of Acapulco Gold.

♫♪ "No stems, no seeds that you don't need. Acapulco Gold is badass weed!" ♫♪

/old skool
 
2010-09-23 03:12:51 PM
realmojo: Don't smoke, vaporize.

THIS!
 
2010-09-23 03:21:17 PM
wuick, someone tell Pelosi about this. Maybe catch her during her next botox appointment.
 
2010-09-23 03:23:26 PM
A Dark Evil Omen: wyrlss: My brother died after overdosing on Marijuana.

He was invited by the "cool kids" to hang out at some kids house whose liberal parents had left for the weekend.
My brother, always a moral and thoughtful individual, wanted to attend because it was one of those massive house parties that he'd never been to.
Well, as was later recalled by some of his friends at the party, he was pressured into smoking marijuana. He ended up smoking the entire pack of marijuana cigarettes. Not long after he went into convulsions and started foaming at the mouth. The people at the party held back calling 9/11 for almost 10 minutes. When the paramedics finally arrived they got scared and said 'You're movin' with your auntie and uncle in Bel Air'

I whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror. If anything I can say that this cab was rare, but I thought 'Nah forget it' - 'Yo homes to Bel Air'

I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 and I yelled to the cabbie 'Yo homes smell ya later'. I looked at my kingdom. I was finally there to sit on my throne as the Prince of Bel Air.

/Really, do we do anything else with copypasta?


Apparently, some people rage at it. I always thought that one was pretty funny.
I guess not everybody has the same sense of humor as I do.
 
2010-09-23 03:29:29 PM
Good for California. I hope it passes. We should all sit back and watch (and make sure the Fed level doesn't touch!). Then we should see what happens to:

1.) Vehicular accident levels
2.) Tax revenue (I'm sure it'll be taxed)
3.) Drug related crime (rise or fall?)
4.) Overall public satisfaction with quality of life
5.) Consumption of Funyuns.

Seriously. It's entirely possible this could have a marked positive effect on California.
 
2010-09-23 03:35:25 PM
Forgot:

6.) Prison population level reduction
 
2010-09-23 03:36:01 PM
Not a Rick Roll...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFY3c_JIx5A
 
2010-09-23 03:41:29 PM
my birthday is 4:20. It's the dankest birthday ever
 
2010-09-23 03:45:24 PM
CntrBrdr: my birthday is 4:20. It's the dankest birthday ever

there's something ironic about neo-hippies and neo-nazis sharing the same date for their high holy day :)
 
2010-09-23 03:50:19 PM
In Oakland, where I live, it's damn near impossible to get a ticket or locked up for smoking herb unless you're doing it in front of a school while wearing only a trenchcoat, masturbating furiously with a care bear.

/don't look at me like that, I only did it once.
//Oaksterdam University Alum.
 
2010-09-23 03:56:58 PM
Cpl.D: Good for California. I hope it passes. We should all sit back and watch (and make sure the Fed level doesn't touch!). Then we should see what happens to:

1.) Vehicular accident levels
2.) Tax revenue (I'm sure it'll be taxed)
3.) Drug related crime (rise or fall?)
4.) Overall public satisfaction with quality of life
5.) Consumption of Funyuns.

Seriously. It's entirely possible this could have a marked positive effect on California.


It seems unlikely that the results would be any different than other places, like Portugal, that have taken steps to reduce the damage prohibition does to society.
 
2010-09-23 03:59:02 PM
wyrlss: My brother died after overdosing on Marijuana.

He was invited by the "cool kids" to hang out at some kids house whose liberal parents had left for the weekend.
My brother, always a moral and thoughtful individual, wanted to attend because it was one of those massive house parties that he'd never been to.
Well, as was later recalled by some of his friends at the party, he was pressured into smoking marijuana. He ended up smoking the entire pack of marijuana cigarettes. Not long after he went into convulsions and started foaming at the mouth. The people at the party held back calling 9/11 for almost 10 minutes. When the paramedics finally arrived they could do nothing to save him.
The autopsy revealed he had 3 times the lethal dosage of THC in his blood.
But I'm sure everyone here will deny my story and the fact that my brother died after smoking that illegal narcotic.


As someone currently overdosing from marijuana I'm getting a kick... sorry can't type the rest;gotta finish packing for my new home in Californy, bye.
 
2010-09-23 04:01:08 PM
Dusk-You-n-Me: Poor effort, wyrlss.

He worked in a subliminal 9/11 reference. You gotta respect that.
 
2010-09-23 04:16:14 PM
wyrlss: My brother died after overdosing on Marijuana.

He was invited by the "cool kids" to hang out at some kids house whose liberal parents had left for the weekend.
My brother, always a moral and thoughtful individual, wanted to attend because it was one of those massive house parties that he'd never been to.
Well, as was later recalled by some of his friends at the party, he was pressured into smoking marijuana. He ended up smoking the entire pack of marijuana cigarettes. Not long after he went into convulsions and started foaming at the mouth. The people at the party held back calling 9/11 for almost 10 minutes. When the paramedics finally arrived they could do nothing to save him.
The autopsy revealed he had 3 times the lethal dosage of THC in his blood.
But I'm sure everyone here will deny my story and the fact that my brother died after smoking that illegal narcotic.


I was at that party, your brother is a major lightweight.
 
2010-09-23 04:37:59 PM
Alaska.

4 oz.

No worries.

/except whether to get a bag of MTF or Yukon Gold
//or whether Palin is going to make an ass out of us in national media that day or not...
 
2010-09-23 05:09:30 PM
I'd like to see this pass just to see how certain regulated industries react to it.

I work in nuclear power (actually just started my new job path this past Monday) and Fitness for Duty is huge. You cannot have your judgment impaired on the job, even prescription medication has to be evaluated and cleared by the FFD group. That being said, they don't give a damn if you're drinking when you're off the job as long as you come in sober (and if you are called in and you've been drinking in the last five hours, you better tell them you're not FFD).

So, if cannabis gets the ok in California, what happens to Nuclear power and similarly regulated industries that press FFD? It'd no longer be an "illegal narc" so would that put it in the same class as medical narcs somehow? What with alcohol being water soluble and passing from the body relatively quickly you can get a general idea just how long ago someone drank. But weed? That's fat soluble, hell they could have smoked it six months ago and pop positive. Or are the cheek swab tests good for figuring out how long ago it was?

I actually asked one of my trainers this because it was a politics discussion and I said I was watching this prop because I was curious about the ramifications for FFD industries (I don't smoke). His theory is that the NRC will say that if you want to smoke, it's your legal right and more power to you... but you're not allowed to work on a nuclear site, sorry. Which to me makes sense, but it's asking for legal trouble too.

/lots of nuke workers are waiting for retirement so they can light up
//but seriously, I'd rather have a Ops guy who toked on the days off than an Ops guy who's on prescription pain narcs for back problems or whatfor
///those prescribed drugs are so nasty
 
2010-09-23 05:19:01 PM
AnEvilGuest: Cpl.D: Good for California. I hope it passes. We should all sit back and watch (and make sure the Fed level doesn't touch!). Then we should see what happens to:

1.) Vehicular accident levels
2.) Tax revenue (I'm sure it'll be taxed)
3.) Drug related crime (rise or fall?)
4.) Overall public satisfaction with quality of life
5.) Consumption of Funyuns.


Seriously. It's entirely possible this could have a marked positive effect on California.

It seems unlikely that the results would be any different than other places, like Portugal, that have taken steps to reduce the damage prohibition does to society.


6.)Prison population and expense drop by 70%
 
2010-09-23 05:58:32 PM
Ringshadow: I'd like to see this pass just to see how certain regulated industries react to it.

I work in nuclear power (actually just started my new job path this past Monday) and Fitness for Duty is huge. You cannot have your judgment impaired on the job, even prescription medication has to be evaluated and cleared by the FFD group. That being said, they don't give a damn if you're drinking when you're off the job as long as you come in sober (and if you are called in and you've been drinking in the last five hours, you better tell them you're not FFD).

So, if cannabis gets the ok in California, what happens to Nuclear power and similarly regulated industries that press FFD? It'd no longer be an "illegal narc" so would that put it in the same class as medical narcs somehow? What with alcohol being water soluble and passing from the body relatively quickly you can get a general idea just how long ago someone drank. But weed? That's fat soluble, hell they could have smoked it six months ago and pop positive. Or are the cheek swab tests good for figuring out how long ago it was?

I actually asked one of my trainers this because it was a politics discussion and I said I was watching this prop because I was curious about the ramifications for FFD industries (I don't smoke). His theory is that the NRC will say that if you want to smoke, it's your legal right and more power to you... but you're not allowed to work on a nuclear site, sorry. Which to me makes sense, but it's asking for legal trouble too.

/lots of nuke workers are waiting for retirement so they can light up
//but seriously, I'd rather have a Ops guy who toked on the days off than an Ops guy who's on prescription pain narcs for back problems or whatfor
///those prescribed drugs are so nasty


employers would retain existing rights to address on-the-job consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.
 
2010-09-23 06:08:11 PM
Amidala:
employers would retain existing rights to address on-the-job consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.


Yeah, ok, I'll buy that. But what about the plant workers who have five days off in between shifts?
 
2010-09-23 06:35:17 PM
Ringshadow: Amidala:
employers would retain existing rights to address on-the-job consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.

Yeah, ok, I'll buy that. But what about the plant workers who have five days off in between shifts?


Rather than relying on some arbitrary "limit" of intoxication which affects everyone differently, would it be too ridiculously logical to develop easy-to-administer tests that determine level of impairment in areas such as physical coordination, short-term memory, and reaction time?

Obviously.
 
2010-09-23 06:40:12 PM
The actual legal text says "the existing right of an employer to add consumption that actually impairs job performance by an employee shall not be affect" so employers can still fire people for coming to work high. I suspect that courts will rule in favor of employees that are sober but with positive drug test results.
 
2010-09-23 07:44:34 PM
Ringshadow: Amidala:
employers would retain existing rights to address on-the-job consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.

Yeah, ok, I'll buy that. But what about the plant workers who have five days off in between shifts?


I'm curious to this myself, since I'm also one of the ops guys who has that kind of time off sometimes (when I'm not getting calls for OT, that is)...

I personally don't toke, and I doubt I would if it were legal, since I do like my job, but I sincerely think it's BS that we continue to put people in jail for this issue when the cops really should be going after the real criminals (aka the ones NOT too baked to fight back).
 
2010-09-24 02:07:16 AM
On voting day, vote first, *then* get high.
 
2010-09-24 02:27:16 AM
Cpl.D: Good for California. I hope it passes. We should all sit back and watch (and make sure the Fed level doesn't touch!). Then we should see what happens to:

1.) Vehicular accident levels
2.) Tax revenue (I'm sure it'll be taxed)
3.) Drug related crime (rise or fall?)
4.) Overall public satisfaction with quality of life
5.) Consumption of Funyuns.

Seriously. It's entirely possible this could have a marked positive effect on California.


I think that tourism is going to be the biggest boon for us. Gap year kids are going to skip backpacking northern Europe and come fill up our Holiday Inns. Spring Break in any coastal town will probably be bigger than Burning Man.
 
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