1. Tea Party = right wing

Read more like, "7 things teabaggers wish weren't true but are."

1. That it is an independent grass roots group, when it is fully created and funded by establishment Republicans.

Chariset: GAT_00: 1. That it is an independent grass roots group, when it is fully created and funded by establishment Republicans.

That one actually gives me hope. It means they might be able to cut off funding and let the 'party' wither away.... unless of course it's become self-aware.

It has, look how Rove was beside himself when O'donnel won. They created something that is slipping from their control.

I'll give him number one. Tea Partiers are too f*cking stupid to have an agenda. All they do is regurgitate the inane platitudes they hear from Glenn Beck every day.

That The Tea Party *is* the establishment not-so strangely absent.

What is it with right-wing sites and heavy moderation to eliminate discussion that goes against the party line? Does KOS or any other left-wing blog do something similar?

IrateShadow: What is it with right-wing sites and heavy moderation to eliminate discussion that goes against the party line? Does KOS or any other left-wing blog do something similar?

DKos will ban people for a lot of things. But generally, as long as you aren't being disruptive or obviously trolling, they're not (ahem) Nazis about it. I mean, if you show up and start threads about how awesome Mitch McConnell is, they'll probably ban you (and hopefully refer you to psychiatric care).

brigid_fitch: A teabagger lives around the corner from me. Full-size "Don't Tread on Me" flag next to ginormous American flag (both flown 24/7 w/spotlights on them), bumper stickers all over his Ford pick-up (Picture of Bush w/"Miss me yet?", "If you're not outraged then you don't know what's going on", "So...how's that 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?", "We can't ALL be Liberals--some of us have to work", "We came unarmed this time", "I can see November from my house" and a few others). He's also unemployed & collecting disability. Other than the fact that he's a moron (and this has little to do w/his being a Teabagger--my husband worked w/him years ago and can attest to his moron status), he's an affable guy and we'd chat a bit if he was outside while I walked my dog.

Until one day he saw that I had an Obama sticker on my car. Now he won't even give me the time of day and goes into his house if I come by.

LOLZ

aden_nak: DKos will ban people for a lot of things. But generally, as long as you aren't being disruptive or obviously trolling, they're not (ahem) Nazis about it. I mean, if you show up and start threads about how awesome Mitch McConnell is, they'll probably ban you (and hopefully refer you to psychiatric care).

I have an account there, even though I almost never post or comment (once per year would be an increase in activity). They progbbly ban people for being actively campaigning Republicans (why should they pay for the bandwidth to advertise the opposition?) but they do so without fanfare, and I know they don't ban conservatives "just because." The only times they make it a public spectacle was like the outing of the Rand Paul staffer (new window) who was trying to pretend to be a liberal and urge people not to support Rand Paul's opponent.

That was funny.

gameshowhost: The only one that "the establishment" doesn't have spot-on is the 7th.

/the 'baggers would say yes to destroying everything that benefits non-whiteys

Wow, the race card doesn't get played until the 4th post. You guys are slowing down.

Skail: aden_nak: DKos will ban people for a lot of things. But generally, as long as you aren't being disruptive or obviously trolling, they're not (ahem) Nazis about it. I mean, if you show up and start threads about how awesome Mitch McConnell is, they'll probably ban you (and hopefully refer you to psychiatric care).

I have an account there, even though I almost never post or comment (once per year would be an increase in activity). They progbbly ban people for being actively campaigning Republicans (why should they pay for the bandwidth to advertise the opposition?) but they do so without fanfare, and I know they don't ban conservatives "just because." The only times they make it a public spectacle was like the outing of the Rand Paul staffer (new window) who was trying to pretend to be a liberal and urge people not to support Rand Paul's opponent.

That was funny.

I've actually seen some non-trolling conservatives who were genuinely interested in policy posting there with no ill repercussions. Which is a far cry from starting a diary about how Fartbama's death panels are going to prescribe Sharia stonings (which would be a typical day here on Fark).

To be fair, I really only participate in conversations on Fark. Maybe I just like the pain.

And yes, the Rand Paul Overzealous Staffer^TM thing was pretty awesome.

You see, "compromise" in Washington seems to consist of giving liberals almost everything they want as a starting point and then negotiating how far, if at all, to move from there.

/facepalm

Turned_into_a_newt: 1. Tea Party = right wing

Which is why this list comes from "Right Wing News."

So the Tea Party is Anti-establishment? Why do they hate America so much?

SushiJoe: 1) they don't all drink tea

WHAT?!

7 Things Teabaggers need reassurance on: Or how I learned to stop Wharrgarbling and love the Derp

8. TEA party members care about taxes
9. TEA party members care about the deficit

manimal2878: Chariset: GAT_00: 1. That it is an independent grass roots group, when it is fully created and funded by establishment Republicans.

That one actually gives me hope. It means they might be able to cut off funding and let the 'party' wither away.... unless of course it's become self-aware.

It has, look how Rove was beside himself when O'donnel won. They created something that is slipping from their control.

Meh, he apologized and gave Rush some buttse3cks

"Tea Party = Racists" suspiciously absent.

There's a lot of good comedy in the piece. When they criticize Bush, for example, for not handling the "bad press" during Hurricane Katrina better. Because "bad press" was the major problem with the Bush administration's handling of that particular incident.

Still waiting for a prominent tea partier to come out in favour of something socially progressive that would help fiscal issues.

lennavan: 8. TEA party members care about taxes think taxes have been raised even though they haven't
9. TEA party members care about the deficit since Jan 2009

I want them to win. No, really, I do. Then we can get back to our true Constitutional roots -- no income tax, states' rights, voting only for the landed white gentry, slavery. You know, all the good stuff our forefathers traded away.

whereisian: Still waiting for a prominent tea partier to come out in favour of ANYTHING that would help fiscal issues.

FTFY

IIRC, the Tea Party folks started out as Ron Paul types: anti-war, anti-Fed, small-L libertarian*, yada yada.

However, it appears to me that it has been completely co-opted by the "28%" that were still giving Bush "approve" ratings by the end of his term, namely, the Creationist, Terry Schiavo-derping, mullet-wearing "Moran" sign types.

*Yes, I realize Ron Paul is anti-abortion and, I think, Creationist.

GoodyearPimp: I want them to win. No, really, I do. Then we can get back to our true Constitutional roots -- no income tax, states' rights, voting only for the landed white gentry, slavery. You know, all the good stuff our forefathers traded away.

Well they were really great things. The libs stole all of them away under the noses of the good Real Americans. Things were better, way back when, in those times I saw on movies and read in fictional novels...

ghare: lennavan: 8. TEA party members care about taxes think taxes have been raised even though they haven't
9. TEA party members care about the deficit since Jan 2009

Given it was a list of things incorrectly reported on about the TEA party, my list was superior.

For instance, the establishment thinks TEA party members care about taxes when in fact, they could give a flying fark given they pay lower taxes now than people have for decades.

Actually, I just think none of the Tea Bagger ever took any Econ 101 class.

Chariset: GAT_00: 1. That it is an independent grass roots group, when it is fully created and funded by establishment Republicans.

That one actually gives me hope. It means they might be able to cut off funding and let the 'party' wither away.... unless of course it's become self-aware.

Unfortunately it has become somewhat aware. Fortunately most of them are old and on fixed incomes or jobless, so if the money's cut off they've got no alternative source.

The thing I like most about the tea party is that they're probably the largest single-minded group I've ever seen that gets absolutely outraged at their own behavior... but only when it's being described by someone who isn't one of them.

wyltoknow: Well they were really great things. The libs stole all of them away under the noses of the good Real Americans. Things were better, way back when, in those times I saw on movies and read in fictional novels...

Women knew their place back then too. If you aren't in the kitchen making me a sammich, you better get there before I accuse you of being a witch.

Bf+: "Tea Party = Racists" suspiciously absent.

This is about things the establishment gets wrong about the teabaggers.

FTFA: You can barely look at a political website these days without reading a post about the Tea Party movement.

Seriously, that site was an abortion. You'd think Right Wing News would be against that.

swahnhennessy: Seriously, that site was an abortion. You'd think Right Wing News would be against that.

ha!

Even when Republicans are in charge, what do we see? Spending goes up, the government still gets bigger, and the Constitution is still ignored. Here's an idea: How about we decide that we're going to stick to the Constitution, dramatically cut spending, and severely curtail the size of government as a starting point? Then, we can negotiate from there about how big of a win we're going to have instead of conceding ground to the Left on every issue?

I LOLed

1) The Tea Party is a novel political movement
2) The Tea Party is diverse
3) The Tea Party is a grassroots movement
4) The Tea Party is primarily concerned about deficit reduction
5) The Tea Party is good for the Republican party
6) The Tea Party would exist if McCain had won.
7) The Tea Party has a coherent agenda

brigid_fitch: A teabagger lives around the corner from me. Full-size "Don't Tread on Me" flag next to ginormous American flag (both flown 24/7 w/spotlights on them), bumper stickers all over his Ford pick-up (Picture of Bush w/"Miss me yet?", "If you're not outraged then you don't know what's going on", "So...how's that 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?", "We can't ALL be Liberals--some of us have to work", "We came unarmed this time", "I can see November from my house" and a few others). He's also unemployed & collecting disability. Other than the fact that he's a moron (and this has little to do w/his being a Teabagger--my husband worked w/him years ago and can attest to his moron status), he's an affable guy and we'd chat a bit if he was outside while I walked my dog.

Until one day he saw that I had an Obama sticker on my car. Now he won't even give me the time of day and goes into his house if I come by.

it may not be that you support Obama but that you are a brigid_fitch

/just saying

Well they convinced me. I'm going to write in Tea Party for all candidates. (No not a candidates name just Tea Party.)

The Tea Party is such a ball of twisted contradictions I don't know where it starts and where it ends. It's like an infinite circle of derp. It's like a human centipede that loops in on itself, constantly re-digesting it's own shiat over and over and over again.

LasersHurt: I like how most of the rebuttals don't refute the "misconception," but rather justify how it is a GOOD thing.

Ha. You weren't kidding:

1. The Tea Partiers have a radical agenda! "We want common sense solutions. So we're going to waive around Swastikas and AK-47s to show how un-radical we are!"

2. These Tea Partiers don't believe in compromise! "We just want to 'compromise' entirely on our terms."

3. The Tea Party is driving away moderates! "You're damn right we are!"

4. The Tea Party is knocking off important Republicans we need in D.C.! "Yeah, but they were all RINOs."

5. These Tea Partiers are just Republicans who will fall in line once the GOP gets power again! "No, we want the Republican Party to be even more reactionary!"

6. These Tea Partiers don't understand how politics works! "Well, yeah. But YOUR MOM DOESN'T UNDERSTAND POLITICS!"

7. These Tea Partiers just want to say "no" to everything! "Well, yeah. But it sounds so gosh darn mean when you put it that way."

brigid_fitch: A teabagger lives around the corner from me. Full-size "Don't Tread on Me" flag next to ginormous American flag (both flown 24/7 w/spotlights on them), bumper stickers all over his Ford pick-up (Picture of Bush w/"Miss me yet?", "If you're not outraged then you don't know what's going on", "So...how's that 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?", "We can't ALL be Liberals--some of us have to work", "We came unarmed this time", "I can see November from my house" and a few others). He's also unemployed & collecting disability. Other than the fact that he's a moron (and this has little to do w/his being a Teabagger--my husband worked w/him years ago and can attest to his moron status), he's an affable guy and we'd chat a bit if he was outside while I walked my dog.

Until one day he saw that I had an Obama sticker on my car. Now he won't even give me the time of day and goes into his house if I come by.

Not as CSB as your CS but I was in a neighborhood the other day and the Tea Partier had a huge sign in his yard with a Pic of Obama and how evil he is and blah, blah, blah, and I just thought to myself 'If you hate the guy so bad why do you build this anti-shrine and clutter up your nice house and yard with something you hate?

Which came first the hateful bumper sticker or the troll?

These articles are getting boring now.

"HURP-A-DERP DERPA DERPA..." ad infinitum. Whatever. Go ahead and put them in office you farking morons.

Good one, trollmitter. I'd have personally changed the link so that it didn't clearly read "right wing news" on the politics page, but the headline is delicious.

manimal2878: Read more like, "7 things teabaggers wish weren't true but are."

Bingo.

1. Yes, it is. Unless shiat like abolition of SS isn't 'radical'.
2. No, they don't. Unless 'compromise' means 'the other side caves'.
3. Yes, they are. Especially since the John Birch Society got into things.
4. Yes, they are. Seniority in Congress counts. Always has, always will.
5. Yes, they are. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it's a farking duck.
6. No, they don't. A race to the far extremes produces a result that we saw in NY-23.
7. Yes, they do. This falls back to the whole compromise thing.

They're not nearly as good at Halo as all their showboating would suggest.

I asked this question in another thread, will ask again...

Is there anyone who has a D after their name on the ballot running as a TeaParty candidate? Because it's grassroots and inclusive and all and not connected to the Rs

The problem is that the Tea Partiers aren't willing to put their money where their mouth is. If we really want to reduce the scope and cost of government, cutting a couple of hundred million dollars in pork projects or bureaucrat salaries here and there simply is not going to do the trick. Unless the Tea Patry is willing to subscribe to some combination of:

1. The elimination of Social Security and government retirement and disability benefits
2. The elimination of Medicare and Medicaid
3. A drastic cut in American armed forces, including closing virtually all foreign bases and a good many domestic ones
4. Cutting and running in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan

That right there is about 90% of the federal budget. The earmarks everyone makes such a big deal over are more or less a drop in the bucket. Let me know which programs you're willing to give up and I'll get back to you on whether I agree that the US should revert to Third World nation status so that your personal piggy bank can be a little fatter.

wow, the Establishment(tm) sure loves exclamation marks, doesn't it!

every bullet point! exclamation mark!

keylock71: SharkInfested: I asked this question in another thread, will ask again...

Is there anyone who has a D after their name on the ballot running as a TeaParty candidate? Because it's grassroots and inclusive and all and not connected to the Rs

There was a woman named Rachel Brown running against Barney Frank in the Democratic Primaries here in MA... I don't know if she was a Teabagger or a Lyndon LaRouche devotee, but her "platform" seemed to borrow heavily from Teabagger rhetoric... Oh and one of her campaign positions was "Colonize Mars". 'Course, that was a distant second to "Impeach Obama".

You might remember her as the clown that got her ass handed to her by Barney Frank last summer during a Town Hall meeting.

Worse, she's a LaRouche. Saw her kinds ever week when I go out to lunch working near Wall Street, with their Hitler Obama signs.

Sooo....his response to accusations about Tea Party candidates is to say "but mainstream Republicans do this too!"

This is fantastic, we've entered an entirely new realm of cognitive dissonance: "Both sides of the Republicans are bad......so..... vote Republican...???"

These Tea Partiers don't believe in compromise! Tea Partiers believe in compromise, just not what passes for "compromise" in D.C. these days. You see, "compromise" in Washington seems to consist of giving liberals almost everything they want

Wow. Just Wow. How can you even try to reach people who really live in a completely fabricated alternate Universe?

Tea party members are a bunch of idiot racists suspiciously absent

SharkInfested: Is there anyone who has a D after their name on the ballot running as a TeaParty candidate?

No. The Tea Party is entirely made up of the fringe Republicans and the asshats who believed the bullshiat McCain and Palin were spewing during the 2008 election cycle.

Pincy: Wow. Just Wow. How can you even try to reach people who really live in a completely fabricated alternate Universe?

Not just any universe. A universe where their own roommates are their enemies.

keylock71: SharkInfested: I asked this question in another thread, will ask again...

Is there anyone who has a D after their name on the ballot running as a TeaParty candidate? Because it's grassroots and inclusive and all and not connected to the Rs

There was a woman named Rachel Brown running against Barney Frank in the Democratic Primaries here in MA... I don't know if she was a Teabagger or a Lyndon LaRouche devotee, but her "platform" seemed to borrow heavily from Teabagger rhetoric... Oh and one of her campaign positions was "Colonize Mars". 'Course, that was a distant second to "Impeach Obama".

You might remember her as the clown that got her ass handed to her by Barney Frank last summer during a Town Hall meeting.

was she the "kitchen table" lady?

god, that man does "a snap" like no one else.

And has she not seen Total Recall?

corronchilejano: Not just any universe. A universe where their own roommates are everyone is their enemy.

Seems more accurate.

Chariset: GAT_00: 1. That it is an independent grass roots group, when it is fully created and funded by establishment Republicans.

That one actually gives me hope. It means they might be able to cut off funding and let the 'party' wither away.... unless of course it's become self-aware.

There's no way the Tea Party will survive the next Republican presidency. As soon as we elect another Bush or Reagan, all major funding for this "independent opposition movement" will cease, and the marching orders at Fox News will be to denounce them as unpatriotic and un-American. Without that vital combination of funding and propaganda, the rubes will just scatter like flies.

1) No. They have an incoherent, illogical, and hypocritical agenda based on spurious fears and beliefs with no factual basis to them. Also who are "The Establishment"? The democrats? The RNC? NBC? What?

2) In order to compromise, you'd actually have to make a policy stand on something. The tea party is all slogan no practical way of achieving anything.

3)The tea party is driving away people who aren't crazy and want a functioning government. Not all conservatives are raging lunatics. The test is in the general election, not the primaries. Tea party candidates turned Nevada from a slam dunk republican pick up to a 50/50 chance and made Delaware unwinnable.

4) This point treats winning office like an America's Got Talent contest. Once you win, it's over, you can take your bows and go home. You don't actually have to have any skill at drafting legislation or working with other people to get it passed. It's the Peter Principle on steroids.

5) If this were the case the RNC wouldn't be leery of them.

6) They don't have a clue how it works, and they are proud of their ignorance.

7) Who knows whether they'll say yes or no on things. Look at Scott Brown. He may not know how email works, but he can vote with the Democrats when it counts.

The Name: Chariset: GAT_00: 1. That it is an independent grass roots group, when it is fully created and funded by establishment Republicans.

That one actually gives me hope. It means they might be able to cut off funding and let the 'party' wither away.... unless of course it's become self-aware.

There's no way the Tea Party will survive the next Republican presidency. As soon as we elect another Bush or Reagan, all major funding for this "independent opposition movement" will cease, and the marching orders at Fox News will be to denounce them as unpatriotic and un-American. Without that vital combination of funding and propaganda, the rubes will just scatter like flies.

You don't get rid of useful idiots.

SharkInfested: I asked this question in another thread, will ask again...

Is there anyone who has a D after their name on the ballot running as a TeaParty candidate? Because it's grassroots and inclusive and all and not connected to the Rs

The D TeaParty is ACORN of course.

With all the talk from the Left re: who funds Tea Party Americans, one might point out the Left's "tea party" is Acorn, funded by Fed Govt 7:57 AM Sep 21st via Twitter for BlackBerry®

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lennavan: SharkInfested: I asked this question in another thread, will ask again...

Is there anyone who has a D after their name on the ballot running as a TeaParty candidate? Because it's grassroots and inclusive and all and not connected to the Rs

The D TeaParty is ACORN of course.

With all the talk from the Left re: who funds Tea Party Americans, one might point out the Left's "tea party" is Acorn, funded by Fed Govt 7:57 AM Sep 21st via Twitter for BlackBerry®

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wow, you just went triple salchow here

Kazan: sirrerun: *Yes, I realize Ron Paul is anti-abortion and, I think, Creationist.

and not a small-L libertarian.

Wow, he's closer to libertarian than most of the Dems on that list.

//keep Alan Keyes far, far away from me.

Kazan: sirrerun: *Yes, I realize Ron Paul is anti-abortion and, I think, Creationist.

and not a small-L libertarian.

Where do you get that? What political quiz was this chart made from?

rebelpride644: Whether you agree with their ideas or not, at least they are doing something.

By all means, let's dog on people for trying to make a "change". Of course if you think Barry O is doing a shiate job, you aren't allowed to use that word anymore.

I see too many people on both sides of the aisle biatching about what the other side is doing and not enough people actually trying to make anything better. If you honestly think either side is right at this point, you are retarded.

I hate polotics but when the country is in the shiate enough to get me off of my fat arse, we are truly in a world of hurt.



Please stay out of polotics and sit back on your fat arse before you hurt yourself.

keylock71: SharkInfested: was she the "kitchen table" lady?

god, that man does "a snap" like no one else.

And has she not seen Total Recall?

She was, indeed...

Barney's great at taking on the more um, "unhinged" elements in the electorate.

He was giving a speech as part of a "Constitution Day" event at a local community college and a bunch of LaRouchies were there and started in with the Nazi policies crap. The security guards came down and were asking them to leave, and Frank told them not to remove then... and then proceeded to point out their ridiculousness for the rest of the crowd to enjoy.


...and goddamn it Cohaggan, you got what you wanted...Give dees people da air!

my sister received her masters from AU this spring, and he was the keynote speaker. Funny as all get out, and his speech was common sense. And he was low key when leaving, we all shook hands, he was accesible. Was nice

If I am not me, then who the hell am I?

Tea Party = a grass roots Astroturf movement owned/sponsored by big business and the wealthy.


so they can get their sh*thead into office and finish the job on this Nation that ronnie reagan started and shrub jr. left unfinished.

and don't drink the tea..........

brigid_fitch: A teabagger lives around the corner from me. Full-size "Don't Tread on Me" flag next to ginormous American flag (both flown 24/7 w/spotlights on them), bumper stickers all over his Ford pick-up (Picture of Bush w/"Miss me yet?", "If you're not outraged then you don't know what's going on", "So...how's that 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?", "We can't ALL be Liberals--some of us have to work", "We came unarmed this time", "I can see November from my house" and a few others). He's also unemployed & collecting disability. Other than the fact that he's a moron (and this has little to do w/his being a Teabagger--my husband worked w/him years ago and can attest to his moron status), he's an affable guy and we'd chat a bit if he was outside while I walked my dog.

Until one day he saw that I had an Obama sticker on my car. Now he won't even give me the time of day and goes into his house if I come by.

This is far more common than you think. I know 'baggers that got along with me famously until after beer 8 or so, when I mentioned that I'm a liberal. So is the vandalism of cars with Obama or just plain anti-GOP stickers. I see it all of the time.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and posit that your neighbor has a remarkably tiny dick. Nothing else aside from media brainwashing explains the hypocrisy, rage, and vague proclamations so rampant among them. We're talking about grown men who behave as though they're back in the sandbox (not to mention willfully voting against their own benefits).

I'm sorry that your neighbor no longer deems you fit for polite neighbor chat. Again, it's common among such a spiteful political subculture. In their sad, 'persecuted' brains it's them against the world, whether they're in Rascal scooters and receiving government funds or not.

I love it:

Tea Party Apologist: "Tea party stand for these things..."

Sanity: "Umm I see lots of crazy tea party members with signs that say all sorts of crazy things like.... Doesn't that represent the Tea Party?"



Tea Party Apologist: "THERE IS NO ONE VOICE FOR THE TEA PARTY. NO ON SPEAKS FOR THE TEA PARTY!!!"

Sanity: "Wait weren't you just doing that a second ago?"

Open to compromise?

What is their compromise on rising taxes again?

How Tea Party Organizes Without Leaders.

rebelpride644: Whether you agree with their ideas or not, at least they are doing something.

What, aside from heated and spittle-filled rhetoric, are they actually doing? They are merely reacting to an astroturfed phenomenon of vague grievances and a bunch of BS about impeachment, soshulism, Nazi, communist, Hates America, Restore Honor...blah blah blah. The actual Tea party candidates don't give a damn about anything but using their anger to promote their own power (like all politicians, I suppose).

rebelpride644:

I hate polotics but when the country is in the shiate enough to get me off of my fat arse, we are truly in a world of hurt.

Funny how it wasn't until just recently that anyone gave a fark about this country aside from mounting a flag on their house or singing the anthem at a sporting event. I'm certain that Obama's election doesn't have anything to do with it...

/yes I know, tired talking point is tired

brigid_fitch: A teabagger lives around the corner from me. Full-size "Don't Tread on Me" flag next to ginormous American flag (both flown 24/7 w/spotlights on them), bumper stickers all over his Ford pick-up (Picture of Bush w/"Miss me yet?", "If you're not outraged then you don't know what's going on", "So...how's that 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?", "We can't ALL be Liberals--some of us have to work", "We came unarmed this time", "I can see November from my house" and a few others). He's also unemployed & collecting disability. Other than the fact that he's a moron (and this has little to do w/his being a Teabagger--my husband worked w/him years ago and can attest to his moron status), he's an affable guy and we'd chat a bit if he was outside while I walked my dog.

Until one day he saw that I had an Obama sticker on my car. Now he won't even give me the time of day and goes into his house if I come by.

All they care about is LOOKING patriotic, not actually BEING patriotic.

Pincy: These Tea Partiers don't believe in compromise! Tea Partiers believe in compromise, just not what passes for "compromise" in D.C. these days. You see, "compromise" in Washington seems to consist of giving liberals almost everything they want

Wow. Just Wow. How can you even try to reach people who really live in a completely fabricated alternate Universe?

Dude, I just stuck my head in a wormhole to Liberals Get Everything They Want Land to check it out. It's pretty awesome over there. Single-payer health care, impeachment of George W. Bush, Bush v. Gore overturned, Cheney & Rumsfeld locked up in Leavenworth, somebody above the rank of Private doing time for Abu Ghraib, Blackwater "contractors" serving life sentences, legalized gay marriage, repeal of DADT, Guantanamo Bay closed, legalized medicinal marijuana, legalized euthanasia, an awesome mass transit system, Joe Lieberman kicked off every committee, cuts in military spending, and gigantic fines against BP.

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: Pincy: These Tea Partiers don't believe in compromise! Tea Partiers believe in compromise, just not what passes for "compromise" in D.C. these days. You see, "compromise" in Washington seems to consist of giving liberals almost everything they want

Wow. Just Wow. How can you even try to reach people who really live in a completely fabricated alternate Universe?

Dude, I just stuck my head in a wormhole to Liberals Get Everything They Want Land to check it out. It's pretty awesome over there. Single-payer health care, impeachment of George W. Bush, Bush v. Gore overturned, Cheney & Rumsfeld locked up in Leavenworth, somebody above the rank of Private doing time for Abu Ghraib, Blackwater "contractors" serving life sentences, legalized gay marriage, repeal of DADT, Guantanamo Bay closed, legalized medicinal marijuana, legalized euthanasia, an awesome mass transit system, Joe Lieberman kicked off every committee, cuts in military spending, and gigantic fines against BP.

You should try sticking your penis through it next time. It's nice.

SnatchTease: ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: Pincy: These Tea Partiers don't believe in compromise! Tea Partiers believe in compromise, just not what passes for "compromise" in D.C. these days. You see, "compromise" in Washington seems to consist of giving liberals almost everything they want

Wow. Just Wow. How can you even try to reach people who really live in a completely fabricated alternate Universe?

Dude, I just stuck my head in a wormhole to Liberals Get Everything They Want Land to check it out. It's pretty awesome over there. Single-payer health care, impeachment of George W. Bush, Bush v. Gore overturned, Cheney & Rumsfeld locked up in Leavenworth, somebody above the rank of Private doing time for Abu Ghraib, Blackwater "contractors" serving life sentences, legalized gay marriage, repeal of DADT, Guantanamo Bay closed, legalized medicinal marijuana, legalized euthanasia, an awesome mass transit system, Joe Lieberman kicked off every committee, cuts in military spending, and gigantic fines against BP.

You should try sticking your penis through it next time. It's nice.

I'm afraid it might break the vibrating rabbit.

That list is actually pretty accurate. If anyone wants to know about the tea party then read that list, it is probably 95% accurate (not all partiers like Bachmann as much as the left claims, we tolerate her). I also got to add about another dozen derp spewing libfarks to my ignore list so bonus. I do agree that the tea party is done after 2012 due to the fact it is an ever evolving movement. It began as anti-Tarp protests against Bush in Sept. of 2008, evolved in 2009 to anti-liberal/corruption/Obama/Marxist protests and it will continue to evolve. The next evolution is occurring right now where it is starting to push some candidates and become a legit caucus, albeit with some mixed results (O'Donnell was a clear mistake).

One of the reasons that the attacks by the left have been so ineffective against the tea partiers is because they either fail to understand it, resort to venomous libel and sexual innuendo which just reveals the base childish nature of most lefties, or they attack its previous incarnation instead of what it is right now.

Sadly some of the movement has been co-opted by establishment Repubs trying to use the momentum to their advantage but they had best watch out. If they fail to live up to their promises to the tea partiers, they will be hit next and we will hit them far harder than we do the left.

ManFromNowhere: ...I also got to add about another dozen derp spewing libfarks to my ignore list so bonus.

If you add half a dozen people to your ignore list on a single thread... you don't think, for a second, that maybe you're taking it too seriously?

ManFromNowhere: [Liberals]...resort to venomous libel and sexual innuendo which just reveals the base childish nature of most lefties...

I remember plenty of morons last August wielding signs saying, "TEABAG THEM BEFORE THEY TEABAG US" or "I'M TEABAGGIN FOR JESUS" or whatever nonsense they could conjure. The Tea Party "movement" brought that misery upon themselves, friend-o.

Now, I can understand your average senior citizen being generally oblivious to a term like "teabagging", but anyone under 30 that doesn't know what that means is likely a Hutterite. I think many have forgotten that the elections in '08 weren't JUST about red versus blue, or rich versus poor: it was largely young versus old. Young voters, who predominantly vote Democratic, are going to have a hard time giving an iota of credibility to a "movement" that called itself a slang term for putting your yambag in someone's mouth. It just ain't gonna happen.

ManFromNowhere: If they fail to live up to their promises to the tea partiers, they will be hit next and we will hit them far harder than we do the left.

Pretty sure they aren't going to hear you over the sound of how much money they'll be making, Cletus.

corronchilejano: ManFromNowhere: ...I also got to add about another dozen derp spewing libfarks to my ignore list so bonus.

If you add half a dozen people to your ignore list on a single thread... you don't think, for a second, that maybe you're taking it too seriously?

There are somethings that just trigger my berserk button and chief among them is anyone who uses the "teab*gger" epitaph. It is disgusting, juvenile, and the lowest form of debate. As far as I'm concerned anyone who uses it has nothing intelligent or important to say so there is no reason to view any of their posts. The others that get added to my list are partisan hacks who do nothing but parrot the hate and ignorance spewed by Olbermann, Schultz, and their ilk. There's no reason to respond to the nonsense those fools emit. Basically I'm distilling the thread down to the people who actually post meaningful points.

lennavan: 8. TEA party members care about taxes
9. TEA party members care about the deficit

If this were the case, then tea partiers would understand that taxes need to be raised.

Nice try, though.

Some Wapo: ManFromNowhere: [Liberals]...resort to venomous libel and sexual innuendo which just reveals the base childish nature of most lefties...

I remember plenty of morons last August wielding signs saying, "TEABAG THEM BEFORE THEY TEABAG US" or "I'M TEABAGGIN FOR JESUS" or whatever nonsense they could conjure. The Tea Party "movement" brought that misery upon themselves, friend-o.

Now, I can understand your average senior citizen being generally oblivious to a term like "teabagging", but anyone under 30 that doesn't know what that means is likely a Hutterite. I think many have forgotten that the elections in '08 weren't JUST about red versus blue, or rich versus poor: it was largely young versus old. Young voters, who predominantly vote Democratic, are going to have a hard time giving an iota of credibility to a "movement" that called itself a slang term for putting your yambag in someone's mouth. It just ain't gonna happen.

Despite what you think that term is not a commonly known term outside of the gay community or Halo players. Before last year ago I'd bet 90% of the country had never heard of that term. Plus many of the people wielding the "teab*gging" signs were lib plants anyway. Also, most young people I know are increasingly Libertarian, not Democrats. The only Dems I know are ex-Hippies living off social security.


ManFromNowhere: If they fail to live up to their promises to the tea partiers, they will be hit next and we will hit them far harder than we do the left.

Pretty sure they aren't going to hear you over the sound of how much money they'll be making, Cletus.

How are they making money? I wasn't aware that the tea party was collecting dues or had corporate sponsors.

Oh, and the Cletus remark is such wit! It implies that I'm a rural hick that couldn't possibly have gone to college, earned a degree, and have also studied Political Science and American History for many years. I chortle at your wit, Karl.

ManFromNowhere: epitaph

epithet. 'bagger.

I don't think I have ever heard anything on that list ever said on a news story, it's always been, "Tonight, we take a deeper look into the Tea Party." Then follows a decently two-sided look that ends with the appropriate question of "Where did they come from?" and "Who is funding them?" Which of course leads to an answer that shows just how transparent this movement of the people really is.

This is not a case of targeting by the "lamestream media" but actual reporting that leads to an answer these morons don't like. Sorry if the rest of the world doesn't start with a conclusion and then make up facts to prove it like Fox. I have nothing but contempt for these people and I make no bones about it. If you were just a right-wing Republican and unabashed about it at least I would have some respect for your opinions and understand why you feel the way you do.

It's not the positions of the tea party I hate (though they are ridiculous and obviously transparent selfishness) it's that they pretend they're not and pretend instead to speak for all of the "true patriots". No, you don't speak for me you disgusting medicare taking, disability claiming, hover-round riding, willfully ignorant piece of shiat. They are parodies of everything that foreigners associate with America and they don't even realize it.

rebelpride644: Whether you agree with their ideas or not, at least they are doing something.

By all means, let's dog on people for trying to make a "change". Of course if you think Barry O is doing a shiate job, you aren't allowed to use that word anymore.

I see too many people on both sides of the aisle biatching about what the other side is doing and not enough people actually trying to make anything better. If you honestly think either side is right at this point, you are retarded.

I hate polotics but when the country is in the shiate enough to get me off of my fat arse, we are truly in a world of hurt.

Please explain to me how the tea partiers are making anything better.

The republicans don't have a clue and neither do their retarded little brothers in the tea party.

rebelpride644: marksman: rebelpride644: Whether you agree with their ideas or not, at least they are doing something.

By all means, let's dog on people for trying to make a "change". Of course if you think Barry O is doing a shiate job, you aren't allowed to use that word anymore.

I see too many people on both sides of the aisle biatching about what the other side is doing and not enough people actually trying to make anything better. If you honestly think either side is right at this point, you are retarded.

I hate polotics but when the country is in the shiate enough to get me off of my fat arse, we are truly in a world of hurt.

Please explain to me how the tea partiers are making anything better.

The republicans don't have a clue and neither do their retarded little brothers in the tea party.

Which part of me saying both sides of the aisle means that I am placing all blame on either group?

Explain how democrats are making anything better...see I can do that too.

Making it so I won't get denied coverage because I had a collapsed lung back in college. I don't mind paying a higher premium, but I do actually want some security.

Putting money into repairing infrastructure that was in a sad-state of decay.

Giving me a tax break.

There's three for you and it took me 2 minutes. Give me three things the Republicans have done in the past 10 years that made your life better. I'll even give you tax cuts as a freebie.

Lunchlady: I don't think I have ever heard anything on that list ever said on a news story, it's always been, "Tonight, we take a deeper look into the Tea Party." Then follows a decently two-sided look that ends with the appropriate question of "Where did they come from?" and "Who is funding them?" Which of course leads to an answer that shows just how transparent this movement of the people really is.

This is not a case of targeting by the "lamestream media" but actual reporting that leads to an answer these morons don't like. Sorry if the rest of the world doesn't start with a conclusion and then make up facts to prove it like Fox. I have nothing but contempt for these people and I make no bones about it. If you were just a right-wing Republican and unabashed about it at least I would have some respect for your opinions and understand why you feel the way you do.


And by "two-sided look" you mean "hit piece". It isn't hard to find out where they came from, most are grass roots groups that began protesting under Bush and ramped up activities under Obama after that dude's (don't know his name) screed on CNBC. They are funded by private donations, largely from middle class families and the sort. Most of them are people who are just fed up with the corruption and debt accrued by both parties. I know because I've talked to members of the tea parties, people who have lost their jobs thanks to Obama's policies, middle class and small business owners who have watched their paychecks shrink, and veterans who literally weep due to what has done to this country. Oh, and there is no leader. Anyone who says anything different is lying. Any news organization is free to use this to get started on their article about the tea party, lord knows they don't know how to actually do investigative reporting anymore.


It's not the positions of the tea party I hate (though they are ridiculous and obviously transparent selfishness) it's that they pretend they're not and pretend instead to speak for all of the "true patriots". No, you don't speak for me you disgusting medicare taking, disability claiming, hover-round riding, willfully ignorant piece of shiat. They are parodies of everything that foreigners associate with America and they don't even realize it.

Keep spewing the hate, the more you spew the more you drive from your cause.

marksman: lennavan: 8. TEA party members care about taxes
9. TEA party members care about the deficit

If this were the case, then tea partiers would understand that taxes need to be raised.

Nice try, though.

Again, these are things the establishment gets WRONG about the tea partiers. One thing they get WRONG is that they think TEA party members care about taxes.

They pay the lowest taxes in decades.

ManFromNowhere: Lunchlady: I don't think I have ever heard anything on that list ever said on a news story, it's always been, "Tonight, we take a deeper look into the Tea Party." Then follows a decently two-sided look that ends with the appropriate question of "Where did they come from?" and "Who is funding them?" Which of course leads to an answer that shows just how transparent this movement of the people really is.

This is not a case of targeting by the "lamestream media" but actual reporting that leads to an answer these morons don't like. Sorry if the rest of the world doesn't start with a conclusion and then make up facts to prove it like Fox. I have nothing but contempt for these people and I make no bones about it. If you were just a right-wing Republican and unabashed about it at least I would have some respect for your opinions and understand why you feel the way you do.


And by "two-sided look" you mean "hit piece". It isn't hard to find out where they came from, most are grass roots groups that began protesting under Bush and ramped up activities under Obama after that dude's (don't know his name) screed on CNBC. They are funded by private donations, largely from middle class families and the sort. Most of them are people who are just fed up with the corruption and debt accrued by both parties. I know because I've talked to members of the tea parties, people who have lost their jobs thanks to Obama's policies, middle class and small business owners who have watched their paychecks shrink, and veterans who literally weep due to what has done to this country. Oh, and there is no leader. Anyone who says anything different is lying. Any news organization is free to use this to get started on their article about the tea party, lord knows they don't know how to actually do investigative reporting anymore.

Wrong on just about every count. Donations to start up the Tea Party came predominantly from two major sources: Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks, two well-established lobbying groups run by the billionaire Koch brothers. The Koch brothers own the largest independent energy company in the country, Koch Industries. $2.96 billion has come from the Sarah Schaife Foundation, a lobbying party owned by the Mellon Group, whose money comes from oil and gas.

Oh ya, and Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks organized the "Tax Day rallies" held across the country, but since the people who work there have families, I guess you could say they're just "normal people."

And by the way, I'd love for you to explain how your small business buddies blame their business failures on Obama specifically and not on the larger economic climate. I completely commiserate with how tough it is for everyone, but I can't see how government spending does anything but help businesses struggling to get any income.

And veterans weeping? I'm sorry, but if they are weeping because the government is trying to give everyone healthcare, they were fighting for a country that I don't want to live in. No matter how shiatty the Obamacare bill is, I don't see how anyone can claim that it's not a good faith effort to at least fix a huge problem, personal views on liberal policies aside. If you guys had a better plan you could have actually contributed to the process.


It's not the positions of the tea party I hate (though they are ridiculous and obviously transparent selfishness) it's that they pretend they're not and pretend instead to speak for all of the "true patriots". No, you don't speak for me you disgusting medicare taking, disability claiming, hover-round riding, willfully ignorant piece of shiat. They are parodies of everything that foreigners associate with America and they don't even realize it.

Keep spewing the hate, the more you spew the more you drive from your cause.

Those dumbasses wouldn't be with my cause no matter how I talked about them, so there's no sense in me pussy-footing around the issue.

Lunchlady:

Making it so I won't get denied coverage because I had a collapsed lung back in college. I don't mind paying a higher premium, but I do actually want some security.

Putting money into repairing infrastructure that was in a sad-state of decay.

Giving me a tax break.

There's three for you and it took me 2 minutes. Give me three things the Republicans have done in the past 10 years that made your life better. I'll even give you tax cuts as a freebie.

Except the Government denies more policies than the private sector plus if you cover everyone for everything the system collapses because no one will pay fees, the infrastructure money went to line the pockets of Union bosses and hasn't done anything meaningful to any infrastructure, and the tax cut was targeted towards people who didn't pay income tax to begin with. Not to mention many of the people who had their taxes cut have since been laid off thanks to the economy so it is kind of a Pyrrhic point.

As for the Republicans we have the tax cuts from Bush's first term which spurred growth in the Private sector, the healing of the nation following 9/11, and I've got nothing else. Bush farked up, but Obama is farking up worse and at a faster pace. The last great President was Reagan. Since then we have had mediocre and worse than mediocre.

ManFromNowhere: the infrastructure money went to line the pockets of Union bosses and hasn't done anything meaningful to any infrastructure,

Not even remotely true. I drive on highways that used stimulus money for improvements on a daily basis, as do about 100 million Americans.

ManFromNowhere: Bush farked up, but Obama is farking up worse and at a faster pace.

I can't believe that a President that begins a war with a country that had never attacked the US for fake reasons is better than a President that initiates a health care program to take care of every citizen in the country.

PS: Over here we've socialized medicine. 20% of the people that pay a higher rate for health care pay for 90% of the colombian population. I pay ten times the minimum for my health care, and I understand it's a system that will also cover me when I'm unable to work, or cover some people that aren't as lucky as I am to have a job. I know people that pay more, and people that pay less, but we all understand.

Saying that Obama is a horrible president for wanting health for everyone in the united states? You should really think about your priorities.

Lunchlady:

Wrong on just about every count. Donations to start up the Tea Party came predominantly from two major sources: Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks, two well-established lobbying groups run by the billionaire Koch brothers. The Koch brothers own the largest independent energy company in the country, Koch Industries. $2.96 billion has come from the Sarah Schaife Foundation, a lobbying party owned by the Mellon Group, whose money comes from oil and gas.

Oh ya, and Americans for Prosperity and Freedomworks organized the "Tax Day rallies" held across the country, but since the people who work there have families, I guess you could say they're just "normal people."

And by the way, I'd love for you to explain how your small business buddies blame their business failures on Obama specifically and not on the larger economic climate. I completely commiserate with how tough it is for everyone, but I can't see how government spending does anything but help businesses struggling to get any income.

And veterans weeping? I'm sorry, but if they are weeping because the government is trying to give everyone healthcare, they were fighting for a country that I don't want to live in. No matter how shiatty the Obamacare bill is, I don't see how anyone can claim that it's not a good faith effort to at least fix a huge problem, personal views on liberal policies aside. If you guys had a better plan you could have actually contributed to the process.

Those dumbasses wouldn't be with my cause no matter how I talked about them, so there's no sense in me pussy-footing around the issue.

Ah, yes the Koch Bros smear. This has already been debunked but in case you missed it:

http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2010/08/29/frank-richs-tea-party-lies/

http://biggovernment.com/dnunes/2010/09/22/white-house-koch-attack/

Government cannot spend it's way out of a recession. That's Keynesian Economics and it doesn't work. Didn't work for FDR, didn't work for W, and it won't work for Obama. This is because Government doesn't have money to spend. They have to either print the money or take it from the Private Sector, either way much of that money is lost to fraud and corruption. The only way that we will get out of this recession is when the Democrats and Obama stop prolonging it with their economic policies. The Dems are largely responsible for this economy, and the Nov. they will reap their reward for the damage they wrought.

Oh and Government run healthcare always fails, the government was not meant to run healthcare. See the VA for exhibit A. Republican have tried to put forward a fix for healthcare but the Dems held closed door session and wouldn't let them speak. Allow insurers to sell across state lines, tort reform, and private sector investment in the healthcare industry spurred by grants/tax breaks. There are 3 things the government can do to fix healthcare that don't involve taking over a large part of the private sector and running it into the ground.

corronchilejano: ManFromNowhere: Bush farked up, but Obama is farking up worse and at a faster pace.

I can't believe that a President that begins a war with a country that had never attacked the US for fake reasons is better than a President that initiates a health care program to take care of every citizen in the country.

PS: Over here we've socialized medicine. 20% of the people that pay a higher rate for health care pay for 90% of the colombian population. I pay ten times the minimum for my health care, and I understand it's a system that will also cover me when I'm unable to work, or cover some people that aren't as lucky as I am to have a job. I know people that pay more, and people that pay less, but we all understand.

Saying that Obama is a horrible president for wanting health for everyone in the united states? You should really think about your priorities.

We went to war in Iraq because Saddam violated untold numbers of UN resolutions, he attacked his neighbors and destabilized the region, because George HW Bush farked up and didn't finish the job leaving untold Iraqi's to die, and because of bad intelligence from the Clinton admin. Yes, we farked up in Iraq until the surge when we won but agree w/ them or not those were the reasons. Don't forget Bush had to have authorization to go in there and every major Dem in congress at the time agreed with him so don't even try to make this a partisan thing.

Obama had no interest in fixing the health care system, he just wanted to line his friend Andy Stern's (head of SEIU) pockets who in turn astroturfed for Obama in 2008.

rebelpride644: marksman: rebelpride644: Whether you agree with their ideas or not, at least they are doing something.

By all means, let's dog on people for trying to make a "change". Of course if you think Barry O is doing a shiate job, you aren't allowed to use that word anymore.

I see too many people on both sides of the aisle biatching about what the other side is doing and not enough people actually trying to make anything better. If you honestly think either side is right at this point, you are retarded.

I hate polotics but when the country is in the shiate enough to get me off of my fat arse, we are truly in a world of hurt.

Please explain to me how the tea partiers are making anything better.

The republicans don't have a clue and neither do their retarded little brothers in the tea party.

Which part of me saying both sides of the aisle means that I am placing all blame on either group?

Explain how democrats are making anything better...see I can do that too.

Hey, I just asked how the tea partiers are making anything better.

No need to get all tea baggy.....I know you don't have an answer.

Neeek: ManFromNowhere: the infrastructure money went to line the pockets of Union bosses and hasn't done anything meaningful to any infrastructure,

Not even remotely true. I drive on highways that used stimulus money for improvements on a daily basis, as do about 100 million Americans.

The only money that was spent there was 9 million on signs. A few roads in liberal districts got some money, but all the more conservative districts got was a giant middle finger.

ManFromNowhere: We went to war in Iraq because Saddam violated untold numbers of UN resolutions,

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

ManFromNowhere: he attacked his neighbors and destabilized the region,

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

ManFromNowhere: because George HW Bush farked up and didn't finish the job leaving untold Iraqi's to die,

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

ManFromNowhere: and because of bad intelligence from the Clinton admin.

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

Please, don't revise history. Don't get me wrong, all that is true, but the US DIDN'T go there because of that. You went because of the WMDs, that's how you told it to the whole world, that's how you went in.

Oil? Evil dictator? All that may be true, but that's not what you told everyone else.

ManFromNowhere: Don't forget Bush had to have authorization to go in there and every major Dem in congress at the time agreed with him so don't even try to make this a partisan thing.

Don't get your partisanship in this. It doesn't matter. He went in and convinced everyone to do so. Faulty inteligence, faulty decisions.

Truth be told, every single person in South America thinks the same, and thought the same back then: Their doing it for the oil. Nice going Osama Bin Laden, you finally gave them the excuse. Real or not? It doesn't matter, in the end, there where no WMDs, the US lied to the world, and Iraq suffered.

ManFromNowhere: Obama had no interest in fixing the health care system, he just wanted to line his friend Andy Stern's (head of SEIU) pockets who in turn astroturfed for Obama in 2008.

Interesting, because it seems to me that there's universal health care now. Seems that it doesn't matter what he cared about...

So, broken, raped country Vs Universal Health Care...

You need to set your priorities straight.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: ManFromNowhere: epitaph

epithet. 'bagger.

Epitaph: an inscription on or at a tomb or a grave in memory of the one buried there

Maybe it's an epitaph for the GOP.

FTFA: These Tea Partiers don't believe in compromise! Tea Partiers believe in compromise, just not what passes for "compromise" in D.C. these days. You see, "compromise" in Washington seems to consist of giving liberals almost everything they want as a starting point and then negotiating how far, if at all, to move from there.

What sort of alternate reality is this farker living in... I mean seriously. Other than the stimulus at the beginning of his administration, name me one other legislative victory of Obama's or the Democrats that was simply handed to them on a silver platter and watered down all to hell. Apparently, liberals getting anything that they want is simply giving them too much, to this fellow.

matt2891: What sort of alternate reality is this farker living in... I mean seriously. Other than the stimulus at the beginning of his administration, name me one other legislative victory of Obama's or the Democrats that was simply handed to them on a silver platter and watered down all to hell. Apparently, liberals getting anything that they want is simply giving them too much, to this fellow.

For what it's worth, the stimulus was (a) way smaller than it should've been, and (b) about 1/3 tax cuts instead of stimulus spending. So even that was watered down, despite Keynesian economists predicting that it would lead to a jobless recovery.

Which it did.

ManFromNowhere: Lunchlady:



Ah, yes the Koch Bros smear. This has already been debunked but in case you missed it:

http://biggovernment.com/wthuston/2010/08/29/frank-richs-tea-party-lies/

http://biggovernment.com/dnunes/2010/09/22/white-house-koch-attack/

Government cannot spend it's way out of a recession. That's Keynesian Economics and it doesn't work. Didn't work for FDR, didn't work for W, and it won't work for Obama. This is because Government doesn't have money to spend. They have to either print the money or take it from the Private Sector, either way much of that money is lost to fraud and corruption. The only way that we will get out of this recession is when the Democrats and Obama stop prolonging it with their economic policies. The Dems are largely responsible for this economy, and the Nov. they will reap their reward for the damage they wrought.

Oh and Government run healthcare always fails, the government was not meant to run healthcare. See the VA for exhibit A. Republican have tried to put forward a fix for healthcare but the Dems held closed door session and wouldn't let them speak. Allow insurers to sell across state lines, tort reform, and private sector investment in the healthcare industry spurred by grants/tax breaks. There are 3 things the government can do to fix healthcare that don't involve taking over a large part of the private sector and running it into the ground.

So basically your counter example's point was that since a bunch of Tea Party groups meet in TGI Fridays and living rooms around the nation they are leaderless. That would be a valid point if their entire schtick wasn't meeting en masse in demonstrations bank rolled by rich financiers who are tied directly to the GOP. No one claims that book clubs have no leaders because they organize independently. You really think one of those "leaderless" groups in a living room in Wisconsin would organize a thousand person rally on the mall without Beck/Palin/Bachman and their rich funders? Stop using false equivalence to claim that the Tea Parties are a valid grassroots org, just admit the obvious and move on.

Those three suggestions you have are nice and I would support them whole-halfheartedly. The sad fact is that they would put a marginal dent into the health care system we've got. We spend more as a country on health care than any country in the world, including the socialist systems, and we have one of the worst life expectancies in the industrialized world. Again, those are all very valid proposals and I wish they would have had a place in the discussions, but don't pretend they would be anything more than a very limited cure.

And what policies would you have the Democrats pursue that would be more effective in combating the recession? More tax cuts? Deficit spending is bad enough now, so your solution is to give the government less money to spend? I completely agree that the government will always be slower and less efficient than a private entity, but there are some thing that only the government can do and if you think that not doing them would really make us better off you need to show me your math.

rebelpride644: Whether you agree with their ideas or not, at least they are doing something.

By all means, let's dog on people for trying to make a "change". Of course if you think Barry O is doing a shiate job, you aren't allowed to use that word anymore.

I see too many people on both sides of the aisle biatching about what the other side is doing and not enough people actually trying to make anything better. If you honestly think either side is right at this point, you are retarded.

I hate polotics but when the country is in the shiate enough to get me off of my fat arse, we are truly in a world of hurt.

They are doing nothing to make anything better. They are making noise, nothing else. I have yet to here a coherent POLICY platform come from any TeaBagger. All I hear is a lot of "Lets make america great again!" and "Down with Big Government!". Ok, how do you plan on doing so. Also, if you drastically cut many domestic spending programs, what are your plans to help people cope. Lets say Medicare for instance: If you drastically cut, or completely eliminate Medicare, what are the millions of seniors on fixed incomes going to do? Are you going to phase it out gradually by simply not allowing new people into the program? Cut it altogether? How do you plan to keep health care costs down when suddenly there are millions of uninsured or underinsured seniors eating up the majority of the nations healthcare resources and no one paying for it?

ManFromNowhere: Oh and Government run healthcare always fails, the government was not meant to run healthcare.

Umm, most countries with better health care than the US have extensive government-run health care. What really doesn't work is private health insurance that isn't regulated like crazy.

4Chan, I love you so much!

/Fark, you are okay too.

ALL GIRLS AGREE TO PULL PANTIES DOWN: LasersHurt: I like how most of the rebuttals don't refute the "misconception," but rather justify how it is a GOOD thing.

Ha. You weren't kidding:

1. The Tea Partiers have a radical agenda! "We want common sense solutions. So we're going to waive around Swastikas and AK-47s to show how un-radical we are!"

2. These Tea Partiers don't believe in compromise! "We just want to 'compromise' entirely on our terms."

3. The Tea Party is driving away moderates! "You're damn right we are!"

4. The Tea Party is knocking off important Republicans we need in D.C.! "Yeah, but they were all RINOs."

5. These Tea Partiers are just Republicans who will fall in line once the GOP gets power again! "No, we want the Republican Party to be even more reactionary!"

6. These Tea Partiers don't understand how politics works! "Well, yeah. But YOUR MOM DOESN'T UNDERSTAND POLITICS!"

7. These Tea Partiers just want to say "no" to everything! "Well, yeah. But it sounds so gosh darn mean when you put it that way."

Excellent summary.

ManFromNowhere

Who the hell comes on FARK politics discussions just so they can ignore people?

machodonkeywrestler: ManFromNowhere

Who the hell comes on FARK politics discussions just so they can ignore people?

People who don't feel like reading the same worthless shiat from the same worthless person every day.

machodonkeywrestler: ManFromNowhere

Who the hell comes on FARK politics discussions just so they can ignore people?

Just a few people. Who are richly deserving of being ignored.

But who are probably routinely ignored in their sad pathetic daily lives, and so they have to come here to irritate people to prove to themselves they actually exist.

IrateShadow: What is it with right-wing sites and heavy moderation to eliminate discussion that goes against the party line? Does KOS or any other left-wing blog do something similar?

Sites that are well and truly Left-Wing tend to keep up a heavy echo-chamber. It is necessary because most "pure" ideologies don't handle rebuttals well. Sites ranging from Daily Kos (far end of moderate left) to 538 (part of the "I call it liberal because it's left of Fox News" group) tend to only crack down on folks who repeatedly spew refuted lies and vapid talking points a la GatoCanisBocaNegrapoon or the illustrious Bevets. Even then they tend to only bring the banhammer down if they have a good excuse like someone posting the people jumping from the twin towers while all-caps writing something like, "THIS IS WHAT AWAITS YOU! STUPID LIBERAL ATHEISTS!"

But that's just my anecdotal evidence, I don't have numbers to back it up.

Sgt Otter: ManFromNowhere: corronchilejano: ManFromNowhere: ...I also got to add about another dozen derp spewing libfarks to my ignore list so bonus.

If you add half a dozen people to your ignore list on a single thread... you don't think, for a second, that maybe you're taking it too seriously?

There are somethings that just trigger my berserk button and chief among them is anyone who uses the "teab*gger" epitaph. It is disgusting, juvenile, and the lowest form of debate. As far as I'm concerned anyone who uses it has nothing intelligent or important to say so there is no reason to view any of their posts.

Hero

Who the hell comes on FARK politics discussions just so they can ignore people?

The same type of farker who, when he/she is presented with evidence that he/she objects to; dives into the profiles to try and dig up some personal shiat on the person he/she is arguing with.

corronchilejano: ManFromNowhere: We went to war in Iraq because Saddam violated untold numbers of UN resolutions,

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

ManFromNowhere: he attacked his neighbors and destabilized the region,

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

ManFromNowhere: because George HW Bush farked up and didn't finish the job leaving untold Iraqi's to die,

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

ManFromNowhere: and because of bad intelligence from the Clinton admin.

No, you didn't. You went because of the WMDs.

Please, don't revise history. Don't get me wrong, all that is true, but the US DIDN'T go there because of that. You went because of the WMDs, that's how you told it to the whole world, that's how you went in.

Oil? Evil dictator? All that may be true, but that's not what you told everyone else.

ManFromNowhere: Don't forget Bush had to have authorization to go in there and every major Dem in congress at the time agreed with him so don't even try to make this a partisan thing.

Don't get your partisanship in this. It doesn't matter. He went in and convinced everyone to do so. Faulty inteligence, faulty decisions.

Truth be told, every single person in South America thinks the same, and thought the same back then: Their doing it for the oil. Nice going Osama Bin Laden, you finally gave them the excuse. Real or not? It doesn't matter, in the end, there where no WMDs, the US lied to the world, and Iraq suffered.

ManFromNowhere: Obama had no interest in fixing the health care system, he just wanted to line his friend Andy Stern's (head of SEIU) pockets who in turn astroturfed for Obama in 2008.

Interesting, because it seems to me that there's universal health care now. Seems that it doesn't matter what he cared about...

So, broken, raped country Vs Universal Health Care...

You need to set your priorities straight.

I'm not revising history. If you seriously believe that WMDs was the only reason then you and your country are poorly educated on recent history. It simply isn't true and never has been.

Also, we don't have Universal Health Care. The ObamaCare that was passed hasn't taken effect yet and it doesn't cover most Americans.

So its liberating Iraqis from being fed into woodchippers vs broken government mess. My priorities are straight.

Neeek: ManFromNowhere: Oh and Government run healthcare always fails, the government was not meant to run healthcare.

Umm, most countries with better health care than the US have extensive government-run health care. What really doesn't work is private health insurance that isn't regulated like crazy.

I doubt that since the US has the best health care and the longest life expectancy of any developed nation (once car accidents are removed from the equation). Canada and many European nations are now moving away from government healthcare because it is both bankrupting them and causing people to die in waiting rooms. Canada's system has only worked because of private practices and the US acting as a pressure release valve and covering the overflow. If the US system is moved to the government, Canada's system will collapse even faster than it is now.

Lunchlady:

And what policies would you have the Democrats pursue that would be more effective in combating the recession? More tax cuts? Deficit spending is bad enough now, so your solution is to give the government less money to spend? I completely agree that the government will always be slower and less efficient than a private entity, but there are some thing that only the government can do and if you think that not doing them would really make us better off you need to show me your math.

Again it comes down to the fallacies of Keynesian economics. Tax cuts do not cause deficits, they increase government income. They did under Kennedy, they did under Reagan, and they did under W. You want to fix the economy? Then cut taxes and provide incentives for business owners, stop suggesting giant government bureaucracies that scare the private sector into non-action like Obamacare, reform Fannie and Freddie to remove uncertainty in the housing market, prosecute those responsible for the Housing Bubble (Fannie, Freddie, ACORN, Barney Frank, and Chris Dodd), and above all have a President who acts like a President for the entire country instead of a derp spewing ignoramus who's only job skill is reading off a damn teleprompter and engages in insulting lobbing insults at voters.

Here is an article that debunks the US low life expectancy myth, it's some interesting reading:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/16/whats_scary_about_health_c a re_reform_97901.html

ManFromNowhere:

edit, that last bit should read:

and above all have a President who acts like a President for the entire country instead of a derp spewing ignoramus who's only job skill is reading off a damn teleprompter and engages in lobbing insults at voters.

/this site need an edit button badly...

jigger: rebelpride644: Whether you agree with their ideas or not, at least they are doing something.

By all means, let's dog on people for trying to make a "change". Of course if you think Barry O is doing a shiate job, you aren't allowed to use that word anymore.

I see too many people on both sides of the aisle biatching about what the other side is doing and not enough people actually trying to make anything better. If you honestly think either side is right at this point, you are retarded.

I hate polotics but when the country is in the shiate enough to get me off of my fat arse, we are truly in a world of hurt.



Please stay out of polotics and sit back on your fat arse before you hurt yourself.

"Hey, at least it's an ethos."

ManFromNowhere: Here is an article that debunks the US low life expectancy myth, it's some interesting reading:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/08/16/whats_scary_about_health_c a re_reform_97901.html

It's really, really bad math. It wouldn't get published in a reputable journal, it was written for a book published by a conservative think-tank.

Here are some of the issues: Link (new window)

Here are some more: Link (new window)

Their basic argument - there are other issues in US life expectancy, it's not simply poor quality hospital care - is undeniably true, but the authors used the wrong statistical method. So they've got no proof of even the basic argument, and the the claim that US rises to #1 is complete bullshiate. Heck, in one of the links I posted there's even a quote from the paper's author saying they're not trying to claim those are the correct numbers.

brigid_fitch: A teabagger lives around the corner from me. Full-size "Don't Tread on Me" flag next to ginormous American flag (both flown 24/7 w/spotlights on them), bumper stickers all over his Ford pick-up (Picture of Bush w/"Miss me yet?", "If you're not outraged then you don't know what's going on", "So...how's that 'hopey-changey' thing working out for ya?", "We can't ALL be Liberals--some of us have to work", "We came unarmed this time", "I can see November from my house" and a few others). He's also unemployed & collecting disability. Other than the fact that he's a moron (and this has little to do w/his being a Teabagger--my husband worked w/him years ago and can attest to his moron status), he's an affable guy and we'd chat a bit if he was outside while I walked my dog.

Until one day he saw that I had an Obama sticker on my car. Now he won't even give me the time of day and goes into his house if I come by.

You should key his car. That'll show him!

ManFromNowhere: I'm not revising history. If you seriously believe that WMDs was the only reason then you and your country are poorly educated on recent history. It simply isn't true and never has been.

I don't have to. I lived through all of it (I was always paranoid with Saddam destroying the world ever since the Iran/Iraq war). I know who Saddam Hussein was, and what he did. I also know what Bush told the UN (who incidentally told him DON'T DO IT, but he went and did it anyway).

Yes, you can say anything you want, but the official reason was the WMDs. After it was shown there where none, then came revisionism: WE FREED JOO!

ManFromNowhere: Also, we don't have Universal Health Care. The ObamaCare that was passed hasn't taken effect yet and it doesn't cover most Americans.

Let us see, shall we? Systems may have a purpose, but until their function begins, you can never say if it'll work or not. Looking at it, it's pretty obvious it wants to end certain evils the current system has. Time always tells.

ManFromNowhere: So its liberating Iraqis from being fed into woodchippers vs broken government mess. My priorities are straight.

No Iraqi I've ever worked with (never lived with them though) agrees that the invasion was a good idea. Like I heard from many: We had one Saddam, now have a million.

lennavan: One thing they get WRONG is that they think TEA party members care about taxes.

TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party... and they don't care about taxes? But Libby McMusloMarxism big gubbermint raisin taxes!