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(BIG1059)   Teacher posts on Facebook that he hates his job, hates his students and hates coming to work, earns five-day vacation   (big1059.com) divider line 82
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2010-09-22 12:42:28 PM
Honest Bender: I'm a member of a very select group. To gain membership you must have a job you love. Some of my co-workers and higher ups are facebook friends of mine. Because they're actually friends of mine.

/Must be rough out there for the rest of you...


I'm not sure of the point of this post, besides to show that you are douchewad.
 
2010-09-22 12:46:18 PM
Linux_Yes: Ball of Confusion: Linux



and don't YOU mention that all americans with homes pay property taxes for those homes.

and please don't mention that back in the 50's thru the 70's, the wealthiest 2% upper tax bracket was at 90%. yep, 90%. and they were still wealthy. since your dirt napper ronnie reagan got into office, the upper limit is now around 40%.

and PLease please don't mention the 18 Billion in tax dodging money from wealthy americans who hid their money is UBS Swiss bank. the IRS knows about it and is supposedly working with the swiss government to get the names of those who are hiding their money from american taxes.

whatever you do, don't get on Google and find out the truth about your nation that the corporate owned TV "news" networks feel you don't need to know.


Hate to break it to you, but a democrat in congress, JFK, was the first to make a drastic cut in taxes. Even he thought 90% was too high.

Also when Congress initiated the income tax in 1913, they never thought it would be above 10% and thus failed to include it in the amendment.

I still don't get what your point is though. Schools are funded through property taxes, which everyone pays - even if they send their kids to private schools.
 
2010-09-22 12:46:59 PM
I don't post anything job related on my FB because there is this silly thing called HIPAA


/my FB says I work at Chuck E. Cheese
//party planner
///not really
 
2010-09-22 12:49:07 PM
Tissot: Honest Bender: I'm a member of a very select group. To gain membership you must have a job you love. Some of my co-workers and higher ups are facebook friends of mine. Because they're actually friends of mine.

/Must be rough out there for the rest of you...

I'm not sure of the point of this post, besides to show that you are douchewad.


What's the point of having a job you love if you can't brag about it? Would it make you feel any better if I told you I make > $40k a year?
 
2010-09-22 12:51:56 PM
wage0048: Tofu: Theoretically, the only people who can read what I write on facebook are my friends. Certainly, they're people who have chosen to join a group called "friends." So, tell me exactly where the line is - tell me which of these things merits discipline:

1. I send a message to my friends on facebook that says I hate my job

2. I send the same message through email to my friends.

3. I send the same message through a text message to my friends.

4. I meet with my friends and tell them that I hate my job.

None. of course, none of these is what he did.

He posted on his wall and failed to set his privacy settings to prevent non-friends from seeing the post. It's as if he bought a billboard and expected only certain people to be able to read it.


As a teacher who is far from stupid, I chose to educate myself this summer by taking a workshop on "Social Networking and Teachers". Basically, the lawyer leading the workshop said that the bottom line is that when anything written down be it text, e-mail, or Facebook/blog post can be considered as evidence in court. When you are a teacher, that is doubly true and you can be sued personally if you start talking about school related stuff like grades, personally identifiable information about students, etc. I quit mentioning anything about my kids or school unless it was completely generic a long time ago. I don't need to be sued by some parent.
 
2010-09-22 12:53:24 PM
It's the worst thing he could have done from a class management perspective. The bad kids in his class will take it as a clear sign of victory, and the good kids will be disillusioned. His first day back is going to be a barrel of laughs.
 
2010-09-22 12:57:14 PM
Honest Bender: Tissot: Honest Bender: I'm a member of a very select group. To gain membership you must have a job you love. Some of my co-workers and higher ups are facebook friends of mine. Because they're actually friends of mine.

/Must be rough out there for the rest of you...

I'm not sure of the point of this post, besides to show that you are douchewad.

What's the point of having a job you love if you can't brag about it? Would it make you feel any better if I told you I make > $40k a year?


I wouldn't feel better or worse, it's great if someone loves their job. But most people don't have the option or choice to have a job that they "love", they just need a job.
 
2010-09-22 12:59:03 PM
netweavr: real shaman: This person is too stupid to be a teacher....

To be fair, if the person was smart, he wouldn't be a teacher.


And yet we wonder, generation after generation, why education in this country keeps getting worse.
 
2010-09-22 01:02:11 PM
Will I get in trouble if I post that I hate my stupid job on Fark?

/because I do
//hate it, that is
///because it's stupid
 
2010-09-22 01:08:47 PM
fifthhorseman: netweavr: real shaman: This person is too stupid to be a teacher....

To be fair, if the person was smart, he wouldn't be a teacher.

And yet we wonder, generation after generation, why education in this country keeps getting worse.


I'm not wondering.
 
2010-09-22 01:19:02 PM
This is why none of my son's friends are MY friends.
If I have something to say, dammit, I'll say it.
I just don't let everyone and their brother see it.

/skate through son's FB page all the time to get the skinny on his crew
 
2010-09-22 01:21:57 PM
Except that biatching about your job on facebook.....even if made public is NOT grounds for termination. Not even from a private company.
 
2010-09-22 01:25:38 PM
brigid_fitch: And this is why I use an alias on FB. The only people on my friends list are actual friends--no family, no co-workers, no casual acquaintances, nobody from elementary or HS that I haven't talked to in decades, etc. If anybody looks for my real name on FB, they get some old woman in France.

Totally misspelled my name...my birthday...my sex and my location. Don't want idiots I used to work with bothering me to work their farm or even deal with them. They are the biggest reason why I moved. On the other hand...those I care about and want to deal with all are my friends. Wouldn't have it any other way.

If I wanted to deal with these brown-nosing SOB's...I would still be working there & dealing with them. Life is too short to deal with anyone you can't stand.
 
2010-09-22 01:29:52 PM
Lloyd Braun: Grown men shouldn't be on Facebook.

Well, I don't know how old you are or how it works where you live, but around here a lot of women want to see your facebook page before they'll date you. I'm talking about 30-somethings.

I guess it's a good way to filter out complete morons (by seeing how well you write), losers with no friends or interests (if you claim to be into hiking and there are no pics you're a liar), and married guys (because presumably some of the people on facebook actually know you, so you can't set your status to single if you're not).

aprilfoolish: anything written down be it text, e-mail, or Facebook/blog post can be considered as evidence in court.

That's true. If I write in my diary that I killed someone, that can be used as evidence. But if I write in my diary that I hate my job, is that a firing offense?

Do you see the difference? I asked essentially a free speech question. Am I free to hate my job if I still do my job? Am I free to express that hate to my friends? You countered with a discussion of court evidence. Seems like apples and oranges to me.
 
2010-09-22 01:43:40 PM
Virtue: Except that biatching about your job on facebook.....even if made public is NOT grounds for termination. Not even from a private company.

"At Will Employment"
 
2010-09-22 01:48:11 PM
I've said it once, and I'll say it many, many more times: If you work in education, do not have social network accounts. Do not allow your real name to exist, within your own powers, online. Pseudonymity or trouble... that's just the way it is.
 
2010-09-22 01:52:25 PM
Honest Bender: What's the point of having a job you love if you can't brag about it? Would it make you feel any better if I told you I make > $40k a year?

I'm getting a kick out of the idea that $40k/year is somehow "a lot of money".

/adjusts monocle and dons top hat
 
2010-09-22 02:03:40 PM
So he says what everyone is feeling in every job ('I hate it and hate the people I work with') and gets punished.
 
2010-09-22 02:05:44 PM
Local news here had a story the other night about creditors finding you and harrassing you AND your friends on Facebook.
 
2010-09-22 02:06:35 PM
Tofu: That's true. If I write in my diary that I killed someone, that can be used as evidence. But if I write in my diary that I hate my job, is that a firing offense?

Well if you show your diary then yes, maybe, depending on any non-disclosure agreements you have with your employer. I'm also guessing that this teacher wrote something a little less generic than "I hate my job, I hate my students, and I hate coming to work."
 
2010-09-22 02:15:50 PM
tukatz: So how huge is the Manatee School District?

Saw this, leaving satisfied.
 
2010-09-22 03:12:30 PM
Tofu: Lloyd Braun: Grown men shouldn't be on Facebook.

Well, I don't know how old you are or how it works where you live, but around here a lot of women want to see your facebook page before they'll date you. I'm talking about 30-somethings.

I guess it's a good way to filter out complete morons (by seeing how well you write), losers with no friends or interests (if you claim to be into hiking and there are no pics you're a liar), and married guys (because presumably some of the people on facebook actually know you, so you can't set your status to single if you're not).

aprilfoolish: anything written down be it text, e-mail, or Facebook/blog post can be considered as evidence in court.

That's true. If I write in my diary that I killed someone, that can be used as evidence. But if I write in my diary that I hate my job, is that a firing offense?

Do you see the difference? I asked essentially a free speech question. Am I free to hate my job if I still do my job? Am I free to express that hate to my friends? You countered with a discussion of court evidence. Seems like apples and oranges to me.


Yes and no. One thing that is constantly drlled into the brains of teachers in my district, and I assume in most other school districts as well, is that teachers are held to a higher moral and ethical standard by the community than other professions. As such, we don't have quite the same free speech rights as other professions, or I should say, would have a tougher time defending ourselves agains dumbass statements that we may make IN A PUBLIC FORUM. If I hate my job or my students or whatever, I'm free to say that in my own home amongst friends. As soon I move that same speech to a public setting, be it Facebook (which even with all the privacy settings in the world is still a public forum), the grocery store, or the local watering hole, then I move into an area where I can get myself into trouble. It could be legal or professional trouble. Schools pride themselves in their outward appearances and try to protect that with every tool they have, like suspending teachers who talk bad about them. I know a teacher personally who lost his coaching position because he was talking smack about the administration to his friends and it got back to said administrators.
 
2010-09-22 03:14:28 PM
Mama's Boy: I never EVER talk about my job on FB cause I have supervisors on my friends list. People on my friends list always are biatching about work though and I'm dying for someone to get fired over it.

Where I come from, that'd be considered wrongful dismissal.
 
2010-09-22 03:30:22 PM
its my profile and i will post as i so choose.

i dont ever want to work for anyone that sensitive or nosey.

my Ops Manager is on my friendslist and a couple other co-workers that are cool.

truth be told, my fb is basically a shrine to my kids, however i reserve the right to get freak nasty or vulgar on my profile if the spirit moves me.
 
2010-09-22 03:49:24 PM
aprilfoolish: Facebook (which even with all the privacy settings in the world is still a public forum

And now we've caught up to the question I originally asked. Is facebook (assuming privacy settings that let only your friends see what you write) a public forum? What about email? Why are these two different? What about a text message? What about a phone call? What about a letter?
 
2010-09-22 04:14:33 PM
Woohoo!! 7 day weekend!
 
2010-09-22 05:06:03 PM
And in the meantime learns there's no such thing as freedom of speech.
 
2010-09-22 05:51:37 PM
Tofu: aprilfoolish: Facebook (which even with all the privacy settings in the world is still a public forum

And now we've caught up to the question I originally asked. Is facebook (assuming privacy settings that let only your friends see what you write) a public forum? What about email? Why are these two different? What about a text message? What about a phone call? What about a letter?


Generally speaking, teachers need to consider everything in writing to be public record if it deals with school related themes. It also doesn't make a difference if it is on your home computer or the school computer or if you text from your phone. When it comes to school officials and other school employees, it would be difficult for them to sue you unless the info was blatant slander, but teachers need to tread lightly. Administrators can find creative ways to make life difficult for you. As soon as you bring parents or students into the fray, then a whole new can of worms is opened and a teacher can potentially be personally sued.
Phone calls are trickier. If you are biatching to a close friend who you trust, then why would you need to worry about them ratting you out. BUT that being said, phone calls can still get you in trouble with administration and parents if you are a dumbass. It's just harder to prove.

Teachers just need to think about what they say about work and who they say it to. Talk/type only professionally to people you wouldn't trust with your career. biatch about your job only to you closest of confidants.
 
2010-09-22 06:22:16 PM
For the record, I meant libel above, not slander. I know the difference, I just typed wrong.
 
2010-09-22 07:07:32 PM
tukatz: So how huge is the Manatee School District?

Not that big.... but not super small. Kind of a "good ol boys club" mentality. I was actually more curious which school the teacher was from but none of TFA's mentioned it. Quality of the public schooling there is only decent if honors & AP classes are taken.

/spent part of middle school & the entirety of H.S. in the Manatee Co school district
 
2010-09-22 08:36:18 PM
McVodkaBreath: tukatz: So how huge is the Manatee School District?

Not that big.... but not super small. Kind of a "good ol boys club" mentality. I was actually more curious which school the teacher was from but none of TFA's mentioned it. Quality of the public schooling there is only decent if honors & AP classes are taken.

/spent part of middle school & the entirety of H.S. in the Manatee Co school district


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2010-09-23 03:18:53 AM
His main problem was that he went to the wrong website to air his grievances. He should have posted to Jigoku Shoujo instead.
 
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