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2010-09-21 11:04:08 PM
nicoffeine: I actually don't understand how this could happen. Metal will still be metal, magnets will still be magnets, and electrons will still be electrons, no?

Well, burned up metal and magnets, yeah. A large magnetic field could induce an electric current that could damage equipment; especially junctions in solid state electronics. The main danger is to long distance power grids where there is not enough production capacity to replace a lot of damaged equipment e.g. transformers and switches and stuff. It is not a danger to your unplugged and probably not even to your plugged in electronics. This isn't an EMP from a nuke or anything.
 
2010-09-21 11:07:56 PM
This would be a good excuse to be drunk everyday.
 
2010-09-21 11:08:14 PM
Y'all are missing the real danger here.

If this happens while a solar shuttle is flying nearby piloted by a gorgeous mutant psychic redhead, it could lead to the destruction of a whole solar system, including a planet full of eight billion sapient asparagus-people!
 
2010-09-21 11:09:07 PM
Stop farking greenlighting these. I swear to God, every other week "OMG SOLAR FLARES IN 2013 WILL DESTROY EVERYTHING!!!!"

Let the people whose job it is worry about this, okay? The odds of it being anywhere near as bad as people say are extremely slim. So just cool out, okay? Cooooool out.
 
2010-09-21 11:10:03 PM
The Internets are going to get their butts' wiped.
 
2010-09-21 11:10:54 PM
""Assuming that there is no Mayan Apocalypse™, Earth is toast in 2013. The Sun is there""

with marshmellows?
 
2010-09-21 11:12:05 PM
Didn't we have a scary article about the Sun going into a milennium-lasting minimum only a few days ago?

Can't those pesky scientists make up their minds and stop scaring us?
 
2010-09-21 11:13:24 PM
Historically, this looks about as likely as the sun entering another multidecade solar minimum, and there being little even in the way of sunspots to look at.
 
2010-09-21 11:16:26 PM
Oldiron_79: I got enough weapons and ammo I'm not too worried. I'm sure there is SOMEONE out there with plenty of food but little to no weaponry...

Dale? Dale Gribble?
 
2010-09-21 11:17:47 PM
Penguin_named_Nori: Oldiron_79: I got enough weapons and ammo I'm not too worried. I'm sure there is SOMEONE out there with plenty of food but little to no weaponry...

Dale? Dale Gribble?


You wouldn't be the first to make that accusation.
 
2010-09-21 11:18:37 PM
nicoffeine: I actually don't understand how this could happen. Metal will still be metal, magnets will still be magnets, and electrons will still be electrons, no?

Indeed. I believe the proposed problem may lie in the induced current created if some gigantor flare were able to penetrate the outer atmosphere... Kinda like what knocks out satellites every now and again.
 
2010-09-21 11:20:31 PM
Oldiron_79: I got enough weapons and ammo I'm not too worried. I'm sure there is SOMEONE out there with plenty of food but little to no weaponry...

Mormon pacifists.


/*racks shotgun* "Heeeeerre Mormon, Mormon, Mormon"!

//no offense to any Mormons reading this.
 
2010-09-21 11:31:04 PM
Heh, just wait 'till someone breaks the Outer Space Treaty.
 
2010-09-21 11:33:11 PM
Shadow Blasko: SnakeMan: You make no sense. Why couldn't we just make new stuff to replace the stuff that breaks? Even if it meant going back to pre-electronics manufacturing methods temporarily?

Well, I know that the reason there would be no electricity for a long long time is due to transformer failure.

Street and community level electrical transformers are each custom fabricated to fit the application. There is no back stock, and it takes weeks to have them made. Multiply that by 5 million, and factor in that the manufacture and transport of those would be greatly effected by the lack of power, and it is a truly monumental task to repair.


In the meantime, how are they going to pump water ????
/You know, without ELECTRICITY ???
 
2010-09-21 11:35:33 PM
rummhumm: valaru: Bonanza Jellybean: Wasn't that the plot to Highlander 2?

no, there is no highlander 2.

Nope. Never happened.

I SAID IT NEVER HAPPENED!! DAMMIT, STOP CONFUSING ME WITH FACTS!!


DAMN You rummhumm! DAMN YOU TO HELL!!!!!

Do you have any idea what it took to forget that?

/3 years of psychotherapy, post-hypnotic therapy and shock therapy
//I've stayed on the damn meds even
///Don't want to go back in the box.
 
2010-09-21 11:38:47 PM
octopied: Happens once a century or so, but only now would destroy us because we don't know how to operate anything manually anymore.

You know, people used to be able to survive by knowing how to do things with their hands, communicate by letters borne by horsemen, till soil, grow food for themselves, etc. We've just become terribly inept and dependant is all.


This would not be an option for most people. The land simply can't support anything remotely like the current population using such methods. The actual result would be a drop far below carrying capacity as people fought for what was left. Whether this leaves a sustainable population or not is questionable.

Pretty soon the modern crops won't grow because of a lack of fertilizer. Eventually the old tools will wear out and how are you going to replace them? The iron that has been mined will rust, there isn't any more we would be able to mine.

SnakeMan: Loren: The threat is serious enough that NASA has a bird up there that can hopefully sound the alarm in time.

When there was that coronal mass injection back in August, we knew about it at least 24 hours before.


As I said, we have a bird (actually, it's a pair of them to give stereoscopic vision) up watching for them.

Barakku:
Eh, it wouldn't do that either. It would destroy some of what we currently have, but it's not like we'd have to reinvent the wheel, or even the iPhone. shiat breaks, we can always make more, better and faster.


Make more with what? The grid would be fried. Without power how are you going to make the replacement parts? Or keep people alive until they are made?

Shadyman: Worst case scenario? build a grounded faraday cage around sensitive electronics and turn them off/disconnect from power mains shortly before the event.

We have what, 12 hours? A day's? notice of a solar flare? Plenty of time. By 2013 I'll have downloaded the entire Internet anyways. Fark will be safe on my hard drive. ;)


Yeah--if we go dark in time before it hits we are ok. You don't need a faraday cage, just disconnect everything you can.

Ishkur: greentea1985: What a load of bullcrap. It is true that if a massive solar flare hit the Earth head-on we'd lose power stations and electronics.

Solar flares can't hit the earth. The farking sun is 93 million miles away. To put that into perspective of scale, if the earth were the size of a marble and sitting in the endzone of a football field, the sun would be the size of a yellow Volkswagon bug and sitting in the opposite endzone.

Solar flares might reach out past the 5 yard line. Saying the earth might get singed by them is as ridiculous as saying that marble might get singed by the fumes of exhaust of the car.

Phil Plait should write a blog about this. I don't think astronomy shows on TV accurately portray the vast distances between objects in space very well, and they're getting a warped perception of a very crowded solar system with everything crashing into everything else all the time. In fact, space is unimaginably vast, very desolate, and terribly empty and tragically devoid of anything interesting going on.

/a larger-than-normal ejection of electromagnetic radiation might interfere with wireless communications and satellites, but it's not going to destroy everything electronic everywhere. Your HD feed might be sketchy for a day. boo hoo.


It's not bullcrap. You're half right--flares can't touch us. The problem is they cause a coronal mass ejection and that can hit us. If a big enough one hits us it's a massive EMP burst.

nicoffeine: I actually don't understand how this could happen. Metal will still be metal, magnets will still be magnets, and electrons will still be electrons, no?

Yeah--the wires would be fine. The problem is basically a great power surge. There's a lot of circuitry between the mains and the heart of your processor but one wrong volt that gets through those defenses and it's a piece of trash.
 
2010-09-21 11:42:54 PM
Heh, that's the central plot of my postapocalyptic blog (new window).

/Hot
//Like my blog
///Which I need to update, BTW
 
2010-09-21 11:44:44 PM
simpsonfan: My Great Great Grandfather kept diaries. I don't recall him mentioning any internet problems when this happened in 1859.

They had Telegraph problems, though. And that was way more robust than electronics; just solenoids and wires.

Telegraph systems all over Europe and North America failed.[4] Telegraph pylons threw sparks and telegraph paper spontaneously caught fire. Some telegraph systems appeared to continue to send and receive messages despite having been disconnected from their power supplies. (new window)

Anyway, civilization could use a re-boot.
 
2010-09-21 11:46:13 PM
It's science! It's irrefutable!

/can I have my libtard membership card now?
 
2010-09-21 11:46:52 PM
Better get my Halo Reach in while I can, then.

/Back to the 360
//Jetpack, ftw
 
2010-09-21 11:46:53 PM
The density of cosmic events in the last decade is staggering...
 
2010-09-21 11:51:44 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie: They had Telegraph problems, though. And that was way more robust than electronics; just solenoids and wires.

'Cause of the long-ass wires. Terrestrial comm systems should be fine.

farklenny: The density of cosmic events in the last decade is staggering...

Confirmation bias.
 
2010-09-21 11:52:23 PM
At least I could finally ride my bike on the streets without worrying about the cars.
 
2010-09-21 11:57:28 PM
Day_Old_Dutchie: Anyway, civilization could use a re-boot.

popculture4fun.com


Agrees
 
2010-09-22 12:02:46 AM
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2010-09-22 12:04:59 AM
vegastar: It's science! It's irrefutable!

/can I have my libtard membership card now?


Not until you can think for yourself long enough to come up with a new insult.

/Adding 'tard' to the things you dislike is neither original nor creative.
//Feeding trolls.
 
2010-09-22 12:10:39 AM
Kanemano: Vintowin: Well, better stock up on water, canned foods, ammo and hookers...you know, just in case.

I can do without the water, canned food, and ammo.


I've ALREADY plenty of Water, Canned Food, and Ammo.

Well... not really, you can never have enough Ammo!
 
2010-09-22 12:11:09 AM
Whatthefark: Oldiron_79: I got enough weapons and ammo I'm not too worried. I'm sure there is SOMEONE out there with plenty of food but little to no weaponry...

Mormon pacifists.


/*racks shotgun* "Heeeeerre Mormon, Mormon, Mormon"!

//no offense to any Mormons reading this.


Your first mistake (likely also your last) would be thinking Mormons were pacifists. My Mormon step-family were big gun nuts and I'm sure they were fairly representative. They have big stockpiles of food. And the firepower to protect it.
 
2010-09-22 12:18:29 AM
The Mayans never predicted an apocalypse so how can one be coming?
 
2010-09-22 12:22:21 AM
Ishkur: Your HD feed might be sketchy for a day. boo hoo.


My emotional response will depend on which day it happens.
 
2010-09-22 12:22:47 AM
Whatthefark: Oldiron_79: I got enough weapons and ammo I'm not too worried. I'm sure there is SOMEONE out there with plenty of food but little to no weaponry...

Mormon pacifists.


/*racks shotgun* "Heeeeerre Mormon, Mormon, Mormon"!

//no offense to any Mormons reading this.



Most of the Mormon families I grew up associated with my ward had an assload of guns. And more than the amount of guns, they had food. Mostly canned flour or whole grains like rice and wheat, and a few 50 gallon drums of water. And with their assload of guns, the majority of those homes also had coffin freezers loaded with what's left of the seasons kill(s). The contents could be thawed and cured on short notice for curing after the power goes out.

Anywyas, if there's any people waiting (and well prepaired for) something like this, a lot of em are mormans.


/You gotta have all that shiznit to feed all those wives and your damn kids while you multiply and replentish the earth.
 
2010-09-22 12:25:42 AM
For what it's worth, I notice no one has cited evidence that a doomsday-level flare is likely. Even if you believe that flares that large happen like clockwork about once a century, how do we know the next maximum will be The Big One, unlike 11 years ago, and 11 years before that, and so on all the way back to the 1950s (that is, going back to exactly one century after the last Big One)?
 
2010-09-22 12:27:19 AM
Whatthefark: //no offense to any Mormons reading this.

No worries...Brigham Young Lord knows the Mormons aren't reading this. They would surely go to Hell if they did.

/Mormons believe in Hell, right?
 
2010-09-22 12:27:33 AM
JonnyBGoode: Whatthefark: Oldiron_79: I got enough weapons and ammo I'm not too worried. I'm sure there is SOMEONE out there with plenty of food but little to no weaponry...

Mormon pacifists.


/*racks shotgun* "Heeeeerre Mormon, Mormon, Mormon"!

//no offense to any Mormons reading this.

Your first mistake (likely also your last) would be thinking Mormons were pacifists. My Mormon step-family were big gun nuts and I'm sure they were fairly representative. They have big stockpiles of food. And the firepower to protect it.


My parents are friends with some Mormons. Yea, the best plan is to talk with them and become friends and they're happy to share info. My parents friends gave them copies of stuff on how to can and preserve food, planting orchards,beekeeping all the little things no one knows anymore. Granted I'm in Alabama so they may be different in Utah or other places.

Also Loren pretty much has it right.
 
2010-09-22 12:28:00 AM
Gotta love how we can't predict where a hurricane will be in a few days, or when it's going to rain, or how much snow we're gonna get in a few months... but somehow this article claims we know what a ball of burning hydrogen & helium a few million miles away is going to do 3 years from now.

Don't let the guy that made 2012 see this article or we'll get a craptastic sequel.
 
2010-09-22 12:29:51 AM
mattman2323: Whatthefark: //no offense to any Mormons reading this.

No worries...Brigham Young Lord knows the Mormons aren't reading this. They would surely go to Hell if they did.

/Mormons believe in Hell, right?


Your attempt at a joke just betrays how little you know.

/Joseph Smith was the founder
//Not a Mormon here
 
2010-09-22 12:31:43 AM
LegacyDL: Newsflash: You can't avoid death, unless you're either Kieth Richards or Joan Rivers.

Abe Vigoda is gave it a pretty good run. May he rest in peace.
 
2010-09-22 12:36:01 AM
truth_is_stranger_than_fishin: this isn't going to be as bad as Y2K is it?

No, but it may be as bad as the last solar flare that was going to wipe out civilization. That one was in the late 80's or early 90's, IIRC.

I remember that one, because it was the Tyson-Spinks fight, and when civilization was wiped out, we almost missed the knockout.
 
2010-09-22 12:43:07 AM
Ishkur: greentea1985: What a load of bullcrap. It is true that if a massive solar flare hit the Earth head-on we'd lose power stations and electronics.

Solar flares can't hit the earth. The farking sun is 93 million miles away. To put that into perspective of scale, if the earth were the size of a marble and sitting in the endzone of a football field, the sun would be the size of a yellow Volkswagon bug and sitting in the opposite endzone.

Solar flares might reach out past the 5 yard line. Saying the earth might get singed by them is as ridiculous as saying that marble might get singed by the fumes of exhaust of the car.

Phil Plait should write a blog about this. I don't think astronomy shows on TV accurately portray the vast distances between objects in space very well, and they're getting a warped perception of a very crowded solar system with everything crashing into everything else all the time. In fact, space is unimaginably vast, very desolate, and terribly empty and tragically devoid of anything interesting going on.

/a larger-than-normal ejection of electromagnetic radiation might interfere with wireless communications and satellites, but it's not going to destroy everything electronic everywhere. Your HD feed might be sketchy for a day. boo hoo.


Last time it happened, telegraphs ran without any power sources for several weeks. That's going to seriously fark up the delicate circuits in your iphone pretty badly.

Two weeks with spent reading books and shiatting around? I think I can deal with that. If I'm not mistaken, a faraday cage will be enough to protect your electronics.

Big disruption? Yeah. But it won't be the end of the world.
 
2010-09-22 12:43:46 AM
trcs.wikispaces.com

Fark is fanning the flames of my hoarding tendencies.

/Picture not of my stockpile, mine isn't as organized.
//Really needs to start eatting the 20 kg of spaghetti I have that'll expire in 2 years
 
2010-09-22 12:48:59 AM
rummhumm: valaru: Bonanza Jellybean: Wasn't that the plot to Highlander 2?

no, there is no highlander 2.

Nope. Never happened.

I SAID IT NEVER HAPPENED!! DAMMIT, STOP CONFUSING ME WITH FACTS!!


I love how you used the image of a soundtrack cover, and not the alleged movie.
 
2010-09-22 12:49:38 AM
Rule #1: Whenever an article says "Scientists say" but don't give names, they're either lying, or quoting some tin-foil-hat nutball.
 
2010-09-22 12:50:33 AM
Ghastly: LegacyDL: Newsflash: You can't avoid death, unless you're either Kieth Richards or Joan Rivers.

Abe Vigoda is gave it a pretty good run. May he rest in peace.


You know who is quite a bit older than Abe Vigoda and still not dead yet? Eli Wallach (Tuco from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly)
 
2010-09-22 12:55:06 AM
Knowing.

/...
 
2010-09-22 12:56:47 AM
What are we going to do today Brain?

The same thing we do every day Pinky. Take over Blow up the world.
 
2010-09-22 12:59:57 AM
JonnyBGoode: This is easy. All we have to do is blow up the Van Allen belt.

Belts. It's plural you know.
 
2010-09-22 01:02:45 AM
Surool: The Mayans never predicted an apocalypse so how can one be coming?

Since people seem to not understand that when you reach the end of a calendar you go back to the beginning.

/Farking Calendars, How do they work?
 
2010-09-22 01:14:48 AM
Britain? This is your old pal America.

What happened to ya, bro? You used to be an Empire and be all cool. Now you're all messed up with Islamic batshiat, politcal derpage, and a spy camera looking through every bathroom window.

Dude, I really think you need to seek some professional help. Me & Canada can try to get you through this hump, but you gotta admit that you have a problem and want to get better.
 
2010-09-22 01:32:12 AM
power_slave: JonnyBGoode: This is easy. All we have to do is blow up the Van Allen belt.

Belts. It's plural you know.


Earth has gotten so fat we need TWO belts
 
2010-09-22 01:37:05 AM
One thing I've not understood in all this hypothetical apocalypse....

I understand we've got 40-60 hours notice before flare geomagnetic effects hit. So in that timeframe, could we deliberately decouple enough of the electrical grid to save it? Being deliberately without most power to 3-4 days would be better than losing most transformers and being down for weeks/months. Or is it just not possible?
 
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