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2003-06-17 04:58:26 PM
Geeze, this is terrible.

Guys can't even make a dishonest living anymore without some asshat coming after them and crushing them like an Old Milwaukee beer can! I mean, it's bad enough that the police are more effective than most people think except when the crooks can get politicians to cut back on budgets and keep them overly busy, but now Hummers riding over them.

I feel for them.

0ok

okay, I feel contempt for them...
 
2003-06-17 04:58:31 PM
EMP, Zed and any other dumbasses out there that think that this guy should be charged; you are farkING retarded.

The assholes ROBBED him, they broke the law, as far as I'm concerred, he should of finished all of them off; it would be a deterrant to future assholes.

And this guy was probably robbed before and was of waiting for the cops to do their job.

He gets a hero tag.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2003-06-17 04:58:51 PM
eh, what if the guy was just chasing them to get a licence plate number, then they realized he was behind them, they decieded to stop the car and run out to split up, cause 1 hummer can get 4 guys...then the guys just mistimed it and the guy ran them over...
 
2003-06-17 04:58:57 PM
06-17-03 04:56:12 PM LaserBrain

P.S. The instant you stick a gun in someone's face, it is a-okay for that person to kill you dead. Don't want to be dead? Don't point guns at people. Simple.


I agree with that statement 100%, but they were running away from him. The robbery was over. Done. His life was no longer in danger.

He then chose to risk his own life and those around him, and he should now be punished.
 
2003-06-17 04:59:20 PM
I hope a Hummer driver tries this and crushes a car that has an innocent little kid sitting next to the driver.

I think the Hummer driver used poor judgment, and I think this is an absurd statement. Seriously, no innocent kid deserves to get run over so you can prove a point. And it's not the same as wishing physical harm, or even death, upon a grown person who terrorizes and steals from other people. It may be extreme, and even wrong, but it's not the same as crushing a child for no reason.
 
2003-06-17 04:59:24 PM
Paulson

Re read the statute. Prevention of escape, armed, and they still had his money.

It may not be right, but it is the law.

The same statute applys in Kentucky, extreme violence is justified in the prevention of a felony.

Although, they usually just tell you that you can only shoot arsonists and the like. KSP used to shoot people to prevent them from commiting suicide, strange.
 
2003-06-17 04:59:44 PM
Hobbitx1

You my friend sound like someone who walks around looking like a victim. Maybe you should hide in your room and surround your self with pillows.



/bad joke end of the day have nothing to do.
 
2003-06-17 05:00:14 PM
Anyone who has a hummer will look for the excuse to run something over. Hell if I had an excuse to ram something in my truck I would. But how much cash could you get from an insurance company?


/missing something?
 
2003-06-17 05:00:22 PM
06-17-03 04:37:32 PM Zed "No, actually you don't. After they rob you the act is over."

omg. If they rob you and have your sh|t....how's that act over ?

These four guys shoulda been shot on site.

 
2003-06-17 05:01:31 PM
KSP used to shoot people to prevent them from commiting suicide, strange.


Uhm. Maybe it's after lunch and I'm tired, but can you explain that one?
 
2003-06-17 05:01:51 PM
Wow, I did not really think there would be this many idiots here... of course, what am I thinking???

Anyway, do I personally think that the guys that got run over probably deserved it? Yeah. But in the US, should what the driver of the Hummer did be legal? Well, it is not legal as of right now.

If you think that you can chase someone after a crime and then take them out, you are sadly mistaken. Learn the legal system or move to a country without laws so you can enforce your vigilante shiat there. (3rd option, make your vote count, vote in people that will change laws) Those really are your only options. (Sorry!)

I am sure he can argue that he had a lapse in civil judgement after a traumatic incident like the guns being pointed at him or something. And I am hopeful a trial by his peers will result in little or no conviction should the facts of the case be that he did in fact feel threatened and was traumatized. The point is that the prosecutor must charge this guy. That is just the way it works!!

If they did not charge him, then you are saying it is okay to attempt to kill anyone that steals from you. Well, what if I thought you were the one trying to steal from me? Okay, I made a mistake, the guy that robbed me was the other person that looked kinda like you... well you are dead and I say 'oops!'

Really, take some law or CJ classes at the local college if you think that this guy should not be charged. I just find it common sense that if this guy was chasing the punks, then he could have called the cops once he got the plate number rather than to pursue them and try to kill them. I am not saying that I would not be tempted to do the same if I were in that scenerio, I would just consider trying harder to make it look like an accident or explain that I thought they were gonna kill me and I had no choice.
 
2003-06-17 05:01:59 PM
Control

My statement was no more stupid than those of you who think armed robbery should be punishable by death.

Yes, hoping that Hummer drivers crush children because you hate Hummer drivers is much, much more stupid then people who say armed robbery should be punishable by death.

By your argument being a child should be punishable by Hummer crushing, and that my friend is very stupid.
 
2003-06-17 05:02:00 PM
and would there be a consequence if any of the robbers died because of this incident?

comments please.
 
2003-06-17 05:02:20 PM
Peter is my hero, what a vigilante.
 
2003-06-17 05:02:21 PM
Read Icecyles's complete post, Paulson.

I spy the word "escapee."
 
Bf+
2003-06-17 05:02:28 PM
Shot on site would have a self-protection clause that would have made their attempted killing legal.

By the way, would anyone's opinion change if they had squirt guns?
How about unloaded guns?
 
2003-06-17 05:02:31 PM
06-17-03 04:58:31 PM MasterMind

EMP, Zed and any other dumbasses out there that think that this guy should be charged; you are farkING retarded.


Well damn.. I guess that settles that.

The assholes ROBBED him, they broke the law, as far as I'm concerred, he should of finished all of them off; it would be a deterrant to future assholes.

And if this guy would have ended up getting himself or someone else shot in the process it would have been a deterrant for future dumbasses too?

Can I use that arguement as well?
 
2003-06-17 05:02:57 PM
this is kinda related in that it's a story from this week about stopping crime and i happen to know that the person who owns this store has a hummer:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/news/61503_local_robbery.html

(to any of you living in houston, he has or had that huge black hummer out in front of his store on richmond. now he has unimogs i think)
 
2003-06-17 05:03:15 PM
"as far as I'm concerred, he should of finished all of them off; it would be a deterrant to future assholes."

Yeah, a deterrant to future assholes...who read posts on FARK, log on to local6.com, or attend the trial.

Otherwise, nothing has been deterred.
 
2003-06-17 05:03:33 PM
eh, what if the guy was just chasing them to get a licence plate number, then they realized he was behind them, they decieded to stop the car and run out to split up, cause 1 hummer can get 4 guys...then the guys just mistimed it and the guy ran them over...

Easy. Involuntary manslaughter.
 
2003-06-17 05:03:46 PM
By taking the law into his own hands after the robbery, the Hummer driver was basically saying he was above the law, he didn't need the law, he didn't trust the law, so he became the law.

That's right-wing egotism. Ollie North. Richard Nixon.
 
2003-06-17 05:04:18 PM
If someone was robbing me & I had the chance to kill them, I would, no question. They've already proven they don't value my rights or liberties. Why would I give them the chance to prove they don't value my life either?

But, if the chance didn't come up and they left me alive, I wouldn't shoot them in the back as they left (legs, maybe). I grudgingly have to agree that Mr. Hummer is in the wrong here.
 
2003-06-17 05:04:33 PM
ahh my favorite kind of justice... vigilante justice.
 
2003-06-17 05:04:42 PM
Control -- ...or Carl Rowan.
 
Bf+
2003-06-17 05:05:04 PM
When did justice become vengence?
 
2003-06-17 05:05:08 PM
This reminds me of the same thing that happened to Spiderman. He didn't get involved at first and look what happened to Uncle Ben..

Peter Hummer got these guys off the street, if he hadn't maybe that same night they break into YOUR HOUSE and maybe, just maybe, PULL THE TRIGGER THIS TIME. Think about that.
 
2003-06-17 05:05:09 PM
MasterMind, you should join the Taliban. You'd fit right in.

September 11 is an example of people killing in the name of revenge. Did you think the terrorists were heroes? You people are sick.
 
2003-06-17 05:05:26 PM
I want to be on the record as saying I am against Child-Crushing-By-Hummer.

Completely.
 
Zed
2003-06-17 05:05:46 PM
"omg. If they rob you and have your sh|t....how's that act over ?"

Its over because the robbers have left. They are gone. They are no longer there. Its no longer 'your stuff'. It's now evidence in a crime. That evidence belongs to the police who's job it is to find the bad guys. Which they could have easily done since this guy obviously knew what car they were driving and caught up to them.

This isn't the farking wild wild west people. There are laws against being vigilantes for a reason.
 
2003-06-17 05:06:07 PM
No I don't really wish there was a little kid in the car. But what if there had been? Then we'd all be giving the Hummer driver an asshat tag, right?
 
2003-06-17 05:06:07 PM
nice find 06-17-03 04:46:02 PM Icecycle.... nothing more here... move along, thread closed due to ACTUAL LAW WRITEN IS FOUND TO PROTECT PETER.
 
2003-06-17 05:06:23 PM
First of all, you must realize he did this in a real Hummer, not the evil mini-van type of H2 crap. More style points.

Also, all you liberals who think that obeying the law is right..Idiots! How dare you try to be upstanding, right minded citizens? You dont even carry guns for Christsakes.
 
2003-06-17 05:06:46 PM
All_Lit_UP_AGAIN: Have another hit,you're thinking too straight. I've spent years traveling the world, sorry you haven't gotten out much. If you want to invite yourself into my house some night, I'll show you what the business end of my Glock 21 looks like... then I'll explain to your dead corpse why it was a perfectly justified and legal before I call your mom to let her know. She will probably care. You need to understand the time and place when things are allowed to happen... or else you become the criminal. If I shoot you on my porch, I go to jail.
 
2003-06-17 05:07:22 PM
For all you farkers that think the driver of the hummer was in the wrong for taking action, you are terminaly wrong. The people that do criminal activity and get away with it are more likely to become more brazen and agressive with future criminal activity. The law is on the side of the criminal in order to protect the occasional wrongly charged innocent individual. The crooks know this and take full advantage of it. When a community refuses to let the criminals run the show by taking a vigilant stand by running them over in their Hummers, that takes a little wind out of their criminal sails!


/But he probably will be charged and sued - too bad since he did the absolute right thing.
 
2003-06-17 05:07:22 PM
If you are for protecting the innocent, then I'm sure you are horrified that this guy risked innocent lives to chase down people who had wronged him. He could have hurt a lot of people who had nothing to do with the crime.

The point is that he DIDN'T hurt any innocent people. The idiots he hurt had just robbed him at gunpoint. If he had injured innocent people (Which he didn't), then yes, he should be held responsible. And how do you know that the area he was chasing them in was populated? How do you know he didn't chase them to the end of the parking lot and run them over? Most of Arizona isn't a big sprawling metropolis with thousands of people everywhere.
 
2003-06-17 05:08:00 PM
Death by hummer is cruel and unusual punishment for robbery...

Of course, when I die, that's how I want to go.

Give me head until I'm dead.
 
2003-06-17 05:08:12 PM
so stealers keepers, steelees weepers?

right. gotcha.
 
2003-06-17 05:09:06 PM
The funny thing is, people use Spiderman as an example, but what he does is still illegal. It might be fun to read about, and it might even be right, but it doesn't make it legal.
 
2003-06-17 05:09:07 PM
I understand the guys frustration, but why not just follow the bad guys and call the police on the cell phone (don't they come standard in Hummers? ;) ). He could've given the police everything from plate information, to heading and make & model. That way you help get your money back AND help the police collar these guys. Liability to you: 0%. Justice served: 100%.
 
2003-06-17 05:09:35 PM
Farking Corksucker
I want to be on the record as saying I am against Child-Crushing-By-Hummer.


You've taken a brave stand, my friend. Brave indeed.
 
2003-06-17 05:09:39 PM
Zed, not the wild wild west ?

Arizona is in the west.... people in Nevada still can carry a hand gun on their hip in a holster....and have you seen the prison in Az ?!?!


...and for you to say it's over after they leave the scene with your sh|t you are totally mistaking the FACT YOU are now a VICTIM....let's say it together. V-I-C-T-I-M.

If sopmeone steals from me and exspecially in an armed robbery.... it definatly ain't over until I have them either screaming for mercy...or arrested.

It's my stuff, not yours.
 
2003-06-17 05:10:14 PM
Jeho

If the guy got himself shot, well then thats the end of that, no hero tag. If he got someone else shot (that is, the robbers shoot someone) then the robbers should be charged with murder; think about it, if a cop was giving chase and the robbers shoot someone, does the cop get charged or blamed because he provoked the robbers?

If you're chasing down some assholes that just robbed you and you kill them, please be my guest to use this argument.
 
2003-06-17 05:10:57 PM
Cunning_linguist_dc:
Speculation really doesn't do anything except fill this thread up. He *didn't* have the wrong car.

I *personally* think that this guy had the right since he was threatened. I don't know if the legal system would agree with me, but let's get serious; there is a **huge** difference between the "ideals" of the system and the "actualities" of the system. Like someone mentioned before, the cops really don't give a surfing monkey's nut about whether or not you get burglarized (turd burglars beware!) or whatnot.
Should the guy face charges for being a vigilante? Probably.
Do I really want him to? No, because having a weapon pointed at me is a lot different than seeing someone jaywalking in my way. Comparing those two is like comparing child sodomy with dropping plastic in the park. Both are crimes, but one definitely deserves a bit more punishment.
/Arizona Football Cardinals change to the Vigilantes? Oh, happy day!
 
2003-06-17 05:11:33 PM
In light of the statutes that Icecyle looked up, Peter's probably going to walk with PBJ or a suspended sentence. Especially if his record's clean. C'mon... he's a business owner, probably employs some people: he's a far greater asset to the community than a carload of felons.

Peter's just lucky that he lives in a part of the country where the state still has some vestige of respect for personal autonomy and a person's right to the self-defense of life, liberty and property. Any jury's going to let this guy walk.
 
2003-06-17 05:12:08 PM
Suicidal_Elmo
Uhm. Maybe it's after lunch and I'm tired, but can you explain that one?

I wish.

No really, that happened over thirty years ago. The suicidee was picked off by a sniper as he jumped from a water tower. I have no idea why they did that.

Kentucky State Police are strange animals, Kentucky is a commonwealth, not a state.

My personal opinion is that I would not run someone down with my motorcycle and crush their car, but if I did, and if I were in AZ. . .
 
2003-06-17 05:12:12 PM
September 11 is an example of people killing in the name of revenge. Did you think the terrorists were heroes? You people are sick.

How did you bring 9/11 into this? Tell me, what was 9/11 revenge for? What did any one of the people that was killed/injured/targeted that day do to any of the people who planned that? There was no revenge about that, it was flat out murder. If we had hijacked planes and flown planes into their cities first, then 9/11 might have been revenge. But it was totally unprovoked.
 
2003-06-17 05:12:44 PM
TheSkiBum69

This reminds me of the same thing that happened to Spiderman. He didn't get involved at first and look what happened to Uncle Ben..



Ah, foiled again by the stunning "uncle Ben" defense. I truly have no rebuttal.


Peter Hummer got these guys off the street, if he hadn't maybe that same night they break into YOUR HOUSE and maybe, just maybe, PULL THE TRIGGER THIS TIME. Think about that.


Once again, another fallacy of the false dilemma. Jeez, Take a logic class folks.
 
Zed
2003-06-17 05:13:13 PM
"only if a reasonable person effecting the arrest or preventing the escape would believe the suspect or escapee is
actually resisting the discharge of a legal duty with physical force or with the apparent capacity to use deadly physical force."

These people were already gone. They weren't resisting anything. The crime was done and over with. The law quoted sounds to me as if there was some physical struggle with you trying to prevent the escape or crime then you could use deadly physical force. The point was the force this guy used was after the crime and after the get away. The crooks were already gone. He caught up with them and physically engaged them.
 
2003-06-17 05:13:21 PM
Vegasj,
You can legally carry a sidearm here in AZ, too (if you're not a convicted felon).
To get the right to carry a concealed weapon you basically just gotta pay a fee, and go to a class.
 
2003-06-17 05:14:02 PM
I think there's a key difference among those arguing here...

Side A: Robbery is not and should not be punishable by death.

Side B: Individuals have the right to protect their families, lives, and property with any means available.

Both sides are correct.

I agree that thieves should not be punished with death or severe injury. They should be imprisoned and the duration should vary with the amount stolen.

However, I feel that law abiding citizens are entitled to protect their lives, families, and properties with any means necessary. I feel that this right trumps the rights of criminals. If you can retrieve your property or eliminate a threat by using force, then use force. Of course, there should be some limitations... you can't just break into your neighbors house if you think they could've stolen your lawn chairs. You can't go shoot out some gangstas playing basketball because you think that they will someday shoot at you. But if they are obviously infringing on the rights mentioned at the start of this paragraph, then you can use force. If I could suspend the thieves in the air until the police arrived I would, but until that skill is available to me I'll have to settle for guns, bats, cars, etc..

If society were perfect, there would be no thieves and no vigilantes. Our society is far from perfect... there are law breakers and many of them get away with their crimes. Until law abiding citizens can be assured that they won't be victims or that justice will be served, we will have vigilantes.
 
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