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(The New York Times)   WNBA's lack of popularity isn't because of the quality of the game; it's because the system doesn't stack the deck in favor of New York   (nytimes.com) divider line 77
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2010-09-07 12:47:03 PM  
Yeah, that's why the NBA is so popular - the Knicks!

/snicker
 
2010-09-07 12:49:32 PM  
The quality of WNBA play is actually very high. It's also spectacularly boring, and I am absolutely fed up with ESPN and David Stern for continually attempting to cram it down my throat.
 
2010-09-07 12:52:32 PM  
tnpir: The quality of WNBA play is actually very high. It's also spectacularly boring, and I am absolutely fed up with ESPN and David Stern for continually attempting to cram it down my throat.

I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I don't understand why the NBA continues to prop up a product that really isn't profitable nor will it be. It's a niche market at best.
 
2010-09-07 01:03:42 PM  
Wait.

There's a "Women's" National Basketball Association? Since when?
 
2010-09-07 01:06:52 PM  
RocketRod: Wait.

There's a "Women's" National Basketball Association? Since when?


Since some rich guys' wife nagged him into launching it.
 
2010-09-07 01:08:50 PM  
Sue Bird is hot. That's really all I got.

Oh, so is that Australian chick, I forget her name.

You remember Ace Clement from Tennessee? She was hot. Landry Jones' girlfriend is cute too, I can't remember her name, she plays for Oklahoma. KU had a girl recently that was kind of slutty-hot, I don't remember her name either. Other than that I don't know a lot about women's basketball.
 
2010-09-07 01:09:17 PM  
RocketRod: Wait.

There's a "Women's" National Basketball Association? Since when?


Really RocketRod?

Either
1) You are being factious
2) You have your head in the sand
3) You are not much of a basketball (or sports) fan to begin with
4) You don't live anywhere near a WNBA (or probably NBA) market

I'm not saying you should "enjoy" it (95% of the sports fans don't and make fun of it), but, to be oblivious to the fact that the NBA has run the WNBA after 15 years in existence in major markets (NY, LA, Chicago, Houston, etc) means basically one of the above.
 
2010-09-07 01:13:30 PM  
Well, that's for the fan to decide.
 
2010-09-07 01:20:31 PM  
mitchcumstein1: Sue Bird is hot. That's really all I got.

Oh, so is that Australian chick, I forget her name.

You remember Ace Clement from Tennessee? She was hot. Landry Jones' girlfriend is cute too, I can't remember her name, she plays for Oklahoma. KU had a girl recently that was kind of slutty-hot, I don't remember her name either. Other than that I don't know a lot about women's basketball.


I think your post goes to the point that the WNBA would be much more popular if it was more like the "Lingerie Football League". Maybe not that "far", but, I know that there was a women's basketball league at one point that was going to have the uniforms be "full body" skin tight leotard type of uniform rather than standard baggy uni's. I think that would help out "interest", without being seen as too "overtly sexy".
 
2010-09-07 01:21:58 PM  
But they make fun women's basketball.
What? Did you explain how the women's good fundamentals make up for their inability to dunk?
 
2010-09-07 01:30:21 PM  
slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?
 
2010-09-07 01:33:04 PM  
blackminded: slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?


A roast beef-pile.
 
2010-09-07 02:07:27 PM  
RocketRod: Wait.

There's a "Women's" National Basketball Association? Since when?


It's news to me! I just looked them up. They've got uniforms and everything.
 
2010-09-07 02:24:01 PM  
dletter: 4) You don't live anywhere near a WNBA (or probably NBA) market

Do we have one here in my hometown, Los Angeles?
 
2010-09-07 02:53:50 PM  
dletter: mitchcumstein1: Sue Bird is hot. That's really all I got.

Oh, so is that Australian chick, I forget her name.

You remember Ace Clement from Tennessee? She was hot. Landry Jones' girlfriend is cute too, I can't remember her name, she plays for Oklahoma. KU had a girl recently that was kind of slutty-hot, I don't remember her name either. Other than that I don't know a lot about women's basketball.

I think your post goes to the point that the WNBA would be much more popular if it was more like the "Lingerie Football League". Maybe not that "far", but, I know that there was a women's basketball league at one point that was going to have the uniforms be "full body" skin tight leotard type of uniform rather than standard baggy uni's. I think that would help out "interest", without being seen as too "overtly sexy".


Nah, I just dated a female college basketball player who knew like three of those girls when I was in college.

I also like tall women.
 
2010-09-07 03:16:50 PM  
blackminded: slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?


I jokingly asked my friend if she found any hot lesbians to hook up while working the game...her response, "If you went to any of the games your fantasies of hot lesbian sex would be shattered."

Don't know if that's true, but I didn't want to find out. :)
 
2010-09-07 03:30:54 PM  
slayer199: blackminded: slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?

I jokingly asked my friend if she found any hot lesbians to hook up while working the game...her response, "If you went to any of the games your fantasies of hot lesbian sex would be shattered."

Don't know if that's true, but I didn't want to find out. :)


I have a friend who's a lesbian and a big WNBA fan (like, seriously into it). She's definitely in the fantasy-shattering category. She also once told me "you know what's wrong with the WNBA? Too many damn lesbians at the games."
 
2010-09-07 03:31:11 PM  
The WNBA, like the CFL or the KHL/AHL, are not popular because they don't feature the best players in the world. That's it. If there happened to be a woman who could play in the NBA at a high level, she'd be ridiculously popular, but there isn't.

We only care about the best. The rest can get the fark off Sportscentre and no one would care.

/Women's tennis is popular for an entirely different reason
 
2010-09-07 03:32:17 PM  
Donald_McRonald: blackminded: slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?

A roast beef-pile.


I'm thinking Arby's?
 
2010-09-07 03:33:29 PM  
homarjr: /Women's tennis is popular for an entirely different reason

I might watch the WNBA if the players started grunting at the free throw line.
 
2010-09-07 03:36:22 PM  
Nobody gives a shiat about that lezzieball league. If the NBA stops propping it up, it will fold.
 
2010-09-07 03:37:25 PM  
WNBA's lack of popularity isn't because of the quality of the game; it's because the system doesn't stack the deck in favor of New York

Just set the sport up without salary caps or revenue sharing so only the big market teams can compete. That way it's less about ability and teamwork and more about finances.

www.cantstopthebleeding.com
 
2010-09-07 03:37:43 PM  
WNBA's lack of popularity isn't because of the quality of the game; it's because the system doesn't stack the deck in favor of New York it's women playing basketball with a modified ball, 3 point line and 3 second rule.
 
2010-09-07 03:38:04 PM  
Wrong_Intentions: RocketRod: Wait.

There's a "Women's" National Basketball Association? Since when?

Since some rich guys' wife nagged him into launching it.


I guess that's ok. As long as we don't let them drive or vote everything should be fine.
 
2010-09-07 03:40:07 PM  
NuttierThanEver: Donald_McRonald: blackminded: slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?

A roast beef-pile.

I'm thinking Arby's?


No self-respecting lesbian goes to Arby's.

[Insert Rosie O'Donnell punchline here]
 
2010-09-07 03:41:10 PM  
blackminded: slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?


A clambake
 
2010-09-07 03:44:59 PM  
blackminded: slayer199: I have female friend that worked at the Palace when the Detroit Shock were still around...she told me that the Shock were very popular...with the lesbian community.

I went to several Shock games during their first playoff run (I went to college with one of the players) and can absolutely attest to this statement. What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?


Small sample set, but this is consistent with what I've seen of Storm fans as well.

/Not that there's anything wrong with that...


blackminded: What do you call a sausage fest that lacks the actual sausage?
Donald_McRonald: A roast beef-pile.

**chortle**
 
2010-09-07 03:48:07 PM  
tnpir: The quality of WNBA play is actually very high. It's also spectacularly boring, and I am absolutely fed up with ESPN and David Stern for continually attempting to cram it down my throat.

yeah, this was covered 5 years ago. sure he's a hack, but a broken clock is right once every 5 years: I don't love this game (new window)
 
2010-09-07 03:50:25 PM  
Watch... this is me not giving a fark.



:|
 
2010-09-07 03:51:12 PM  
mitchcumstein1: Sue Bird is hot. That's really all I got.

I've always thought Becky Hammon is awfully cute. Never seen her play, I only know her from this picture of her about to be swallowed whole as an appetizer.

www.thetallestman.com
 
2010-09-07 03:54:18 PM  
too ugly
 
2010-09-07 04:03:27 PM  
May I spooge on your face: mitchcumstein1: Sue Bird is hot. That's really all I got.

I've always thought Becky Hammon is awfully cute. Never seen her play, I only know her from this picture of her about to be swallowed whole as an appetizer.


knowyourmeme.com
 
2010-09-07 04:08:45 PM  
If the WNBA players are just as good as the players in the NBA, why don't they just play in the NBA? And if they aren't just as good, then why create a league showcasing inferior talent? Who wants to watch that? No one goes to the JV game except the parents.
 
2010-09-07 04:19:52 PM  
scifiblock.com

We no can dunk
 
2010-09-07 04:20:59 PM  
js34603: If the WNBA MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL players are just as good as the players in the NBA MLB, why don't they just play in the NBA? And if they aren't just as good, then why create a league showcasing inferior talent? Who wants to watch that? No one goes to the JV game except the parents.
 
2010-09-07 04:22:20 PM  
js34603: If the WNBA players are just as good as the players in the NBA, why don't they just play in the NBA? And if they aren't just as good, then why create a league showcasing inferior talent? Who wants to watch that? No one goes to the JV game except the parents.

.because if there ARE sports where men and women can compete on the same level, basketball certainly isn't it. I'm not saying that there's really a viable market for the WNBA (it doesn't seem to be.. at least not in the way the NBA is promoting/propping it up), but pointing out why there would have to be a separate league for it.

..also headline (and lennavan's post) is dumb. HulkHands should've effectively ended this thread in 1.
 
2010-09-07 04:28:26 PM  
12349876: js34603: If the WNBA MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL players are just as good as the players in the NBA MLB, why don't they just play in the NBA? And if they aren't just as good, then why create a league showcasing inferior talent? Who wants to watch that? No one goes to the JV game except the parents.

uh there's always a possiblity the minor league baseball players will be called up to the MLB, that's the whole reason the minor leagues exist. The WNBA, not so much
 
2010-09-07 04:37:48 PM  
NuttierThanEver: 12349876: js34603: If the WNBA MINOR LEAGUE BASEBALL players are just as good as the players in the NBA MLB, why don't they just play in the NBA? And if they aren't just as good, then why create a league showcasing inferior talent? Who wants to watch that? No one goes to the JV game except the parents.

uh there's always a possiblity the minor league baseball players will be called up to the MLB, that's the whole reason the minor leagues exist. The WNBA, not so much


Need I direct you to the Bill "Spaceman" Lee thread from Sunday night?
 
rka
2010-09-07 04:38:53 PM  
homarjr: The WNBA, like the CFL or the KHL/AHL, are not popular because they don't feature the best players in the world. That's it. If there happened to be a woman who could play in the NBA at a high level, she'd be ridiculously popular, but there isn't.

We only care about the best. The rest can get the fark off Sportscentre and no one would care.


That's overly simplistic. College football (or high school football) doesn't have the best players in the world, yet both are extremely popular. Same with college basketball, where even the women are more interesting than the WNBA.
 
2010-09-07 04:46:54 PM  
The management of the WNBA wanted to ensure that all of their teams had an equal opportunity to rise to the same level of SUCK.
 
2010-09-07 04:48:23 PM  
rka: homarjr: The WNBA, like the CFL or the KHL/AHL, are not popular because they don't feature the best players in the world. That's it. If there happened to be a woman who could play in the NBA at a high level, she'd be ridiculously popular, but there isn't.

We only care about the best. The rest can get the fark off Sportscentre and no one would care.

That's overly simplistic. College football (or high school football) doesn't have the best players in the world, yet both are extremely popular. Same with college basketball, where even the women are more interesting than the WNBA.


I meant pro leagues only.

College football and basketball are popular because they're the future of the pro leagues. Plus, I'm not American so this may be a massive presumption, but you guys love your schools more than your mothers. I can't get into NCAAF because I don't know who to follow, but I understand its popularity. I watch March Madness because it's the greatest annual tournament in sports and I cheer for Duke because Laettner hit that shot when I was 10.
 
2010-09-07 04:58:43 PM  
homarjr: but you guys love your schools more than your mothers.

Well for a lot of us, the schools are much closer than any of the pro teams.
 
2010-09-07 04:59:39 PM  
homarjr: College football and basketball are popular because they're the future of the pro leagues.

Clearly not. I loathe the NBA with every fiber of my being but I like basketball a lot and watch plenty of NCAA ball. Even before I learned that the NBA sucked, I understood that most of the players I was watching would never make it in the NBA -- and I would venture to guess that most spectators also understand that. It's not just about scouting.
 
2010-09-07 05:14:12 PM  
mitchcumstein1: Oh, so is that Australian chick, I forget her name.

That would be 3-time MVP Lauren Jackson

RocketRod: Do we have one here in my hometown, Los Angeles?

That would be the L.A. Sparks. Former home of Lisa Leslie, current home of (injured) Candace Parker.

/big Seattle Storm fan.
//hubby and I get teased for being the token straight couple
 
2010-09-07 05:20:16 PM  
12349876: homarjr: but you guys love your schools more than your mothers.

Well for a lot of us, the schools are much closer than any of the pro teams.


Curiosity and boredem has gotten the best of me, so here are the states without pro teams (top level league in the big 4 sports).

None whatsoever:
Alabama
Alaska
Arkansas
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Idaho
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Mississippi
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Dakota
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Vermont
Virginia
West Virginia
Wyoming

Only 1 of 4:
Oklahoma
Oregon
Utah

Only 2 of 4:
Indiana
Louisiana
Maryland
Washington

Only 3 of 4:
Missouri
Tennessee
New Jersey (will only be 2 when the Nets move to Brooklyn)
North Carolina
Wisconsin

So only 14 of the 50 states have all 4 major league pro teams, and to add to that, most of the non-Northeast/Midwest markets have only had their pro teams for a couple decades if that while the college traditions even in the South and West are often over 100 years old.

As an example, the Pacers have only been in Indiana since 1967 and the Colts only since 1984, wheras Notre Dame football started in 1887 and Indiana basketball started in 1901.
 
2010-09-07 05:26:16 PM  
The Bestest: ..also headline (and lennavan's post) is dumb.

So the Yankees would be just as good if they capped their salary expenses at the level of oh say the Pittsburgh Pirates?

Or perhaps is your butthurt over the possibility of the Yankees purchasing pennants getting in the way of your reasoning?
 
2010-09-07 05:33:57 PM  
lennavan: So the Yankees would be just as good if they capped their salary expenses at the level of oh say the Pittsburgh Pirates?

Or perhaps is your butthurt over the possibility of the Yankees purchasing pennants getting in the way of your reasoning?


You brought up the Yankees in a thread about the WNBA and he's the butthurt one?
 
2010-09-07 05:36:48 PM  
lennavan: So the Yankees would be just as good if they capped their salary expenses at the level of oh say the Pittsburgh Pirates?

Or perhaps is your butthurt over the possibility of the Yankees purchasing pennants getting in the way of your reasoning?


There's no butthurt like small-market baseball butthurt.

Waaaaaaah, someone else makes more money, no fair!!
 
2010-09-07 05:46:47 PM  
lennavan: So the Yankees would be just as good if they capped their salary expenses at the level of oh say the Pittsburgh Pirates?

Hell, if you really want to break it down, the Pirates payroll is only barely less than the Padres. And no one put a gun to the Pirates' head to acquire Chris Snyder at 5.3mil/yr.
 
2010-09-07 05:49:24 PM  
Killer Cars: lennavan: So the Yankees would be just as good if they capped their salary expenses at the level of oh say the Pittsburgh Pirates?

Or perhaps is your butthurt over the possibility of the Yankees purchasing pennants getting in the way of your reasoning?

You brought up the Yankees in a thread about the WNBA and he's the butthurt one?


I brought up the Yankees in a thread about stacking the deck in favor of New York and you don't get the relationship between the two?

Yanks_RSJ: There's no butthurt like small-market baseball butthurt.

Chicago is a small market? Just because I'm willing to admit a large part of team success in baseball is the financial well being of the team doesn't mean I'm butthurt. It means I'm honest.
 
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