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(Telegraph)   Scientists find reason why not cleaning your teeth caries risks for heart attacks   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 52
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2010-09-06 10:53:41 PM
Also, gum disease is actually potentially way more deadly than you'd think: between the porous parts of the teeth, and the surface area of all the gum tissue surrounding them, it's like exposing yards and yards of your skin to disease germs and poisons. There's a correlation between diabetics' health and their dental health because of this hidden vulnerable surface area situation.
 
2010-09-06 11:04:09 PM
Any Pie Left: Also, gum disease is actually potentially way more deadly than you'd think: between the porous parts of the teeth, and the surface area of all the gum tissue surrounding them, it's like exposing yards and yards of your skin to disease germs and poisons. There's a correlation between diabetics' health and their dental health because of this hidden vulnerable surface area situation.

There goes my sleep tonight. Thanks a lot.
 
2010-09-06 11:32:41 PM
"I'm way ahead of you, man..."
www.mineyourresources.com
 
2010-09-06 11:48:26 PM
Best and subtlest type of the month.
 
2010-09-06 11:49:05 PM
Of course I meant typo. Heh.
 
2010-09-06 11:49:48 PM
I just started using a Sonic-care toothbrush.
 
2010-09-06 11:51:37 PM
Curious that this is being reported by the British.
 
2010-09-06 11:57:24 PM
If this were true, there wouldn't be a single Brit over 40
 
2010-09-07 12:32:24 AM
I just went for an exam. Cool. No real problems, but a lot of made up ones. I've got a couple of old fillings that need to be capped. Well I got the full used car treatment. Got hit up for a $149 oral cancer exam. They recommended a $500 deep cleaning with follow up laser therapy for $400 more to take care of the pain and inflammation which results from a deep cleaning. Dudes, vicodin is 10 cents a tab.

20% off if I got my caps right then. Told them I'd come back tomorrow and is the deal still good? Nope. right then or nothing.
F*ck me.

Nope. Bullshiat. I'm going elsewhere
 
2010-09-07 12:36:21 AM
Well done, Subby. The force is strong wit you.
 
2010-09-07 02:32:37 AM
Haven't they known this for years? Isn't that why people like my 23-year-old niece who has a heart murmur has to take antibiotics prior to any dental visit?

Then again, as acanuck implied, this is a British study and maybe they haven't been kept as up to date on this information as other countries.

Do Brits generally have poorer dental care than other developed countries? Or is this a type-casting myth that just won't let go?
 
2010-09-07 04:04:16 AM
Bagelox-99: Best and subtlest type of the month.

Yup. That was pretty good.
 
2010-09-07 06:11:36 AM
ecmoRandomNumbers: Bagelox-99: Best and subtlest type of the month.

Yup. That was pretty good.


Wow, I had to look that up. Learn something new every day.
 
2010-09-07 06:19:58 AM
LadyHawke: I just started using a Sonic-care toothbrush.

Electric toothbrush is really the way to go and for you ladies it can also be used as a vibrator in a pinch!
 
2010-09-07 06:25:12 AM
No. If you don't brush your teeth you're probably lazy or you have other issues that cause you to not care about life. And if you're lazy then you probably are too lazy to work out and eat right. If you don't care then you probably don't care about taking care of your body too, or you have too much stress in your life. All things that lead to heart attacks.
 
2010-09-07 06:27:54 AM
Anaia: Do Brits generally have poorer dental care than other developed countries? Or is this a type-casting myth that just won't let go?

Grew up with Canadian dentists, now use British ones. I'd say treatment is of the same quality, perhaps the only difference is that they don't use fluoride treatment here. Also, dentists in the UK are much cheaper than in Canada (and, I'd guess, the US).
 
2010-09-07 06:29:10 AM
Bravo, subby.
 
2010-09-07 06:33:52 AM
Not so fast, stereotypes:

krusekronicle.typepad.com

(from http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=3 48945&story_id=15060097 )
 
2010-09-07 06:35:22 AM
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2010-09-07 06:35:55 AM
I don't believe this because it comes from non-USA scientists and I'm told that other countries don't do research because they have nationalized health care.
Nice try, subterfugey.
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2010-09-07 06:37:12 AM
bricktron: Not so fast, stereotypes:



(from http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=3 48945&story_id=15060097 )


So what about adults?

Seems like some cherry picked nonsense to me.
 
2010-09-07 06:55:38 AM
Subby---> ...caries...

Is this the name of the heart-attack-inducing indifferent dental disease?
 
2010-09-07 06:58:45 AM
LadyHawke: I just started using a Sonic-care toothbrush.

RotaDent (new window) FTW
 
2010-09-07 07:03:33 AM
GWSuperfan: RotaDent


Crap.
 
2010-09-07 07:18:20 AM
Oldnews.jpg?
 
2010-09-07 07:29:20 AM
some swedish girl: No. If you don't brush your teeth you're probably lazy or you have other issues that cause you to not care about life. And if you're lazy then you probably are too lazy to work out and eat right. If you don't care then you probably don't care about taking care of your body too, or you have too much stress in your life. All things that lead to heart attacks.

Well said!
 
2010-09-07 07:31:39 AM
While I'm positive there is a connection between bacteria and disease, there is also another obvious connection.

People who don't brush their teeth tend to have other poor hygiene and diet habits too.

That being said I always mouthwash after flossing. Just makes good sense.
 
2010-09-07 07:33:14 AM
LadyHawke: I just started using a Sonic-care toothbrush.

img.photobucket.com

Not particularly effective against gum disease.
 
2010-09-07 07:33:33 AM
How can a person not brush thier teeth?

/nasty
 
2010-09-07 07:54:13 AM
Buffet: some swedish girl: No. If you don't brush your teeth you're probably lazy or you have other issues that cause you to not care about life. And if you're lazy then you probably are too lazy to work out and eat right. If you don't care then you probably don't care about taking care of your body too, or you have too much stress in your life. All things that lead to heart attacks.

Well said!


I wouldn't be amazed if there were health issues that stem from poor oral care, but I'd be absolutely amazed if the majority of studies on the matter have completely failed to eliminate this third variable of overall poor health primarily being the result of the person not giving a shiat about their health.
 
2010-09-07 08:03:02 AM
Anaia: Haven't they known this for years?

It was newer news in 2005 (pops).
 
2010-09-07 08:03:16 AM
some swedish girl: No. If you don't brush your teeth you're probably lazy or you have other issues that cause you to not care about life. And if you're lazy then you probably are too lazy to work out and eat right. If you don't care then you probably don't care about taking care of your body too, or you have too much stress in your life. All things that lead to heart attacks.

Oh, please. Plaque is a figment of the liberal media and the dental industry to scare you into buying useless appliances and pastes. Now, I've read the arguments on both sides, and I haven't found any evidence yet to support the need to brush your teeth. Ever.
 
2010-09-07 08:16:25 AM
Agrees.i53.tinypic.com
 
2010-09-07 08:25:33 AM
First of all, +1 to The Bird. That's why I came.

2.) Brickton - that would be an AVERAGE chart. not a RATE chart correct?

US estimated population July 2009 (don't know why it's so out of date) ~307,006,500
Britain estimated population ~61,414,062

Of course we're going to have a higher average!
 
2010-09-07 08:27:03 AM
In turn these can cause heart attacks and strokes, which together cause more than 200,000 deaths in Britain every year.

Seems low for Britain.

/amiright, ladies?
 
2010-09-07 08:30:05 AM
According to MIT, what is the one invention Americans can't live without?


CLICKY to find out
 
2010-09-07 08:37:13 AM
MYitAt4: First of all, +1 to The Bird. That's why I came.

2.) Brickton - that would be an AVERAGE chart. not a RATE chart correct?

US estimated population July 2009 (don't know why it's so out of date) ~307,006,500
Britain estimated population ~61,414,062

Of course we're going to have a higher average!


[img sr"mf'in LOL WUT pear"]
 
2010-09-07 08:37:59 AM
SilentStrider: Curious that this is being reported by the British.

Who would know better about bad dental hygiene?
 
2010-09-07 09:07:24 AM
Strepococcus! Is there anything it can't do?
 
2010-09-07 09:32:49 AM
Wonko Fortytwo: caries

Correction fail
 
2010-09-07 10:51:42 AM
smells_like_meat: Nope. Bullshiat. I'm going elsewhere

Heh...........

/sounds like a used car salesman.
 
2010-09-07 11:44:27 AM
pchmm: Wonko Fortytwo: caries

Correction fail


Knowledge fail (new window)
 
2010-09-07 11:44:34 AM
MYitAt4: First of all, +1 to The Bird. That's why I came.

2.) Brickton - that would be an AVERAGE chart. not a RATE chart correct?

US estimated population July 2009 (don't know why it's so out of date) ~307,006,500
Britain estimated population ~61,414,062

Of course we're going to have a higher average!


Average per child = rate

No error bars though... who knows if the difference is meaningful
 
2010-09-07 11:51:47 AM
Wonko Fortytwo: Subby---> ...caries...

Is this the name of the heart-attack-inducing indifferent dental disease?


Caries are cavities.
 
2010-09-07 12:15:10 PM
i44.tinypic.com
 
2010-09-07 12:24:14 PM
Old news is old?

Seriously, I saw articles like this at my dentists office 3 years ago
 
2010-09-07 12:26:40 PM
Anaia: Haven't they known this for years? Isn't that why people like my 23-year-old niece who has a heart murmur has to take antibiotics prior to any dental visit?

Then again, as acanuck implied, this is a British study and maybe they haven't been kept as up to date on this information as other countries.

Do Brits generally have poorer dental care than other developed countries? Or is this a type-casting myth that just won't let go?


A "nice" smile is not as big a measure of a person in Britain as it is here.
 
2010-09-07 02:31:11 PM
Phil Herup: According to MIT, what is the one invention Americans can't live without?


CLICKY to find out


I'm glad to learn that.
 
2010-09-07 04:15:16 PM
meat0918: Anaia: Haven't they known this for years? Isn't that why people like my 23-year-old niece who has a heart murmur has to take antibiotics prior to any dental visit?

Then again, as acanuck implied, this is a British study and maybe they haven't been kept as up to date on this information as other countries.

Do Brits generally have poorer dental care than other developed countries? Or is this a type-casting myth that just won't let go?

A "nice" smile is not as big a measure of a person in Britain as it is here.


Due to dental care being on the NHS (or just heavily subsidized for adults), the average dental health is better in the UK than the US - because less people fall through the gaps or don't have any coverage and can't afford treatment. But to get that extra coverage without paying loads for it, it means you are very unlikely to be recommended for "cosmetic" improvements to your teeth (due to the way they get paid from the NHS it isn't particularly good for them compared to the time spent), whereas in the US that is quite common if you have dental coverage you would in a similar situation - after all it is the insurance company paying for it.

I have also seen people discuss the idea that in the US having poorly looked after teeth is essentially used as one of the markers for class, which doesn't seem an unreasonable idea on the face of it.

It must be said before frequenting places like Fark I hadn't heard of it before - maybe the odd time in the Simpsons or similar, but not enough to realize it was such a widely held belief. I think I read somewhere it was believed to go back to the 18th and 19th centuries when the vast majority of British people that someone from the US would meet would be a sailor, and of course mild cases of scurvy often presents itself as rotting of the gums and then teeth (I think lesions the legs are another common early sign), and that is where the belief stems from. But you never know whether these sorts of things are really true, or just they are reverse engineered much later.
 
2010-09-07 08:20:27 PM
Anaia: Do Brits generally have poorer dental care than other developed countries? Or is this a type-casting myth that just won't let go?

Statistically the British have the healthiest teeth in the world (joint with Germany). I have no idea where the myth comes from or why people genuinely believe it. (As opposed to Farkers who just quote it because it's a meme.)
 
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