Why not just make all companies that sell products in the US have to follow US Labor Law, regardless of where their factories are located?

At a minimum, at least. If local law is more strict, local law stands. But in order to do business in the US, they have to have minimum standards...

Everyone likes to biatch about the complexity of the tax code (except tax accountants), but it's striking that no President in recent memory has even tried to do anything about it. In fact each leaves the tax code just a little more complicated than his predecessor.

The powermonkeys will find a way to bilk it from us.

Gotta get mine, moneyfarker style.

A rising tide lifts all boats. The Republican economic policies of the last ten years have concentrated on finding ways to drag supertankers & massive luxury yachts up into the air, leaving all the other boats stranded.

Wolverines: Yeah, sure he will. He's done shiat in almost two years but I'm sure it's all about to get better really soon.

You keep on telling yourself that.

*pats you on the head*

meow said the dog: Please give me the $400,000 a year salary and then you can tax me at 75% if you would like to do this. I do not need to buy the giant fake breasts are the tickets to see the Derp Rally.

First, the tax is important, people are paying taxes for the benefit of the people who make less money. The people are difficult, you should get your money working.

clevershark: Everyone likes to biatch about the complexity of the tax code (except tax accountants), but it's striking that no President in recent memory has even tried to do anything about it. In fact each leaves the tax code just a little more complicated than his predecessor.

Why is this striking? Yes, everyone complains about the complexity, but no one would agree on the solution. You can't keep the tax code functionally identical to what it is now while simplifying it, and the people pissed off will outweigh the people pleased.

I'm too busy clinging to my guns and religion to care what Obama has to say.

To heal our economy, we need more than a healthy stock market; we need bustling Main Streets and a growing, thriving middle class," Obama said.

"The sooner we rein in the red-tape factory in Washington, D.C., the sooner small businesses can get back to creating jobs and helping more Americans find an honest day's work," (Davis) said.

Semantics and rhetoric from parties that are fraternal twins. The important thing here is that Americans are enabled to still purchase and use copious amounts of oil purchased from friendly nations.

/there's no interest like self interest

Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

-Bashy35

What is this middle class he speaks of?

Obama promises to help middle class thrive

"So this Labor Day, we should recommit ourselves to our time-honored values and to this fundamental truth: To heal our economy, we need more than a healthy stock market; we need bustling Main Streets and a growing, thriving middle class," Obama said. "That's why I will keep working day by day to restore opportunity, economic security and that basic American dream for our families and future generations. Our plan is to hire more unqualified, overpaid government employees to pass a stacks of paper around to each other."

Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

Because they want everyone to be middle class or lower, it's just not fair that some people with education, intelligence and drive are more successful than others. We're all equals right? That means we should all be equally wealthy.

The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower.

wtf is this shiat?

Kali-Yuga: Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

Because they want everyone to be middle class or lower, it's just not fair that some people with education, intelligence and drive are more successful than others. We're all equals right? That means we should all be equally wealthy.

The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower.

The tallest tree in the forest gets the most sunlight

sure you can force companies to keep pay scale closer between lowest person and the CEO, that'd greatly increase wages across the board, but I don't want to live in a country that forces stuff like that, it isn't american, please politicians go somewhere else if you want to do shiat like this.

oryx: What is this middle class he speaks of?

There used to be this large section of the populace that worked hard and paid the lion's share of tax revenues to the federal government. They were known for their strength, fortitude, and work ethic. They were slowly replaced due to large tax breaks to the super rich and handouts to the fat, lazy, and deportable.

T-Luv: The tallest tree in the forest gets the most sunlight

This is gonna turn into a RUSH thread, isn't it?

He spoke of efforts to create jobs,
As has every president since 1972 (and probably earlier)


make college more affordable,


So you increase student aid, which means that colleges don't have to worry that people can afford what they are charging, so they can pretty much charge more than the market would normally be able to bear.

Because right now, most current state schools ARE affordable, at least to the typical student graduating HS and enrolling (and staying) at a four year college. Sure, you might not be able to afford to go to a private school, but I'll give you a hint:

For your undergraduate education, it doesn't matter a whole bunch regarding the name of your school as long as it is accredited and not known to be poor for the field you are interested in.


I just don't want the solution to be inflation of tuition because more students can afford to go to college and universities can then charge more and more knowing that the student is just going to grab some more debt to cover it.


help the middle class build retirement nest eggs,

I'd like to see taxes eliminated on retirement accounts, and penalties potentially reduced.

It might seem counterintuitive to reduce penalties, but when people aren't afraid that their savings is being locked away from them, they will be more comfortable with the idea of investing it in their retirement accounts.

They should allow more temporary withdrawals without penalty and have them pay it back at a modest rate (some 401k programs allow this, but many do not, and I don't know if many or any other IRAs allow it)

The money WILL go back into the account, but it allows for some flexibility for future uncertainties (job loss, fires, injuries, etc) Even for activities like purchasing vehicles, I'd support it, since large purchases DO help our economy, and traditional loans tend to suck money out of the economy.

Obviously have penalties if it isn't paid back on schedule, but there should be more options to access/use that savings account. Even if people don't ever need it, knowing that they could access it in time of financial stress would be useful.

And if you are worried about people abusing it... well it isn't worse than the current situation where they just don't save at all and we end up supporting them anyway.


cut taxes on these families

Again, said by every president since 1972. (and again, probably earlier)


and stop health insurance companies from refusing to cover people with pre-existing medical conditions.

There are some huge problems with this one. If we are going to go the insurance route for our healthcare, this could cause some serious issues.

In general, I don't like our current views towards insurance. I believe it should be something to help you cover catastrophic issues which would normally bankrupt you. Our current system just feels like a way to spread out the payments into fixed monthly installments.

I've got a high deductible on my car. It saves me from having to buy a new car if it's ever totaled, but I'm not paying an extreme premium just to cover things which I normally hold back a little bit of my paycheck for (Windshields, bumpers, etc)

Same thing with homeowners insurance. I don't care if I have to pay $2000 to fix the furnace. I DO care if I have to pay $30,000 to fix a collapsed wall or $200k for a total loss.

thomps: Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

-Bashy35

nowhere in the article that i read did it say anything about building statues depicting the working man. he was talking about initiatives to rebuild a largely crippled middle class rather than further stratifying the upper class. that's not communism, that's good social and economic policy.

No shiat. I know there are no plans to build statues in honor of the working-class, but they sure as hell are being idolized.

-Bashy35

T-Luv: Kali-Yuga: Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

Because they want everyone to be middle class or lower, it's just not fair that some people with education, intelligence and drive are more successful than others. We're all equals right? That means we should all be equally wealthy.

The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower.

The tallest tree in the forest gets the most sunlight

The loneliest goat sees the last sunset last.

clevershark: Everyone likes to biatch about the complexity of the tax code (except tax accountants), but it's striking that no President in recent memory has even tried to do anything about it. In fact each leaves the tax code just a little more complicated than his predecessor.

I don't know how old you are, so I can't attest to your recent memory, but there was a pretty decent simplification done in 1986.

This thread needs this



/now we can all feel better

Kali-Yuga: Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

Because they want everyone to be middle class or lower, it's just not fair that some people with education, intelligence and drive are more successful than others. We're all equals right? That means we should all be equally wealthy.

The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower.

Exactly. Sooooo, the solution is to tax educated, hard-working business-owners and employers? That sounds like a terrible solution. We're the folks out employing people and keeping homes out of foreclosure. We're the people who stimulate the economy by going to stores, shops and restaurants. Sure, fark us all in the ass, Obama.

-Bashy35

Kali-Yuga: Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

Because they want everyone to be middle class or lower, it's just not fair that some people with education, intelligence and drive are more successful than others. We're all equals right? That means we should all be equally wealthy.

The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower.

I find it funny that the Corporations and Government did this to themselves. NAFTA killed many American jobs. Corporations moved their factories to Mexico. They pay no tariff to import their goods. Funny, the US Government loses tax revenue and customers are making less money or no money so they can't buy goods. Good luck with that! Barack Obama is a Corporatist.

servoled: Kali-Yuga: The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower Jose.

servoled: Kali-Yuga: The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower.

It was always the blade of grass closest to the garage that got cut first in my experience.

IT also gets gasoline spilled on it. But then gasoline spills release a lot of carbon into the air, which is why I have to search around to buy special gas tanks that don't require that really crappy nozzle which makes me spill more gas in the first place than just the basic funnel nozzle which worked really well.

So, I'm spilling more gas, onto that blade of grass near the garage, releasing carbon, which grass being a plant, craves like electrolytes. So in a way, pouring gas onto those blades of grass is like doing them a favor, and that tall blade of grass over on the other side of the yard is getting shafted from all the sweet sweet carbon emissions.

Until I slice it in half of course, suburban life demands ritual sacrifice.

Summercat: Why not just make all companies that sell products in the US have to follow US Labor Law, regardless of where their factories are located?

At a minimum, at least. If local law is more strict, local law stands. But in order to do business in the US, they have to have minimum standards...

We can't say no, but how about a 1000% tariff?

Bob_Laublaw: T-Luv: The tallest tree in the forest gets the most sunlight

This is gonna turn into a RUSH thread, isn't it?

Who cares about the middle class, what about the trouble in the forest!?

>> Just like with the Wall Street bankers, Obama decides to favor a handful of Americans over everyone else

Yep Obama is a conservative

And like all conservatives he is failing at his job.

Wait, that's my local paper. Who submitted this?

TigerStar: I find it funny that the Corporations and Government did this to themselves. NAFTA killed many American jobs. Corporations moved their factories to Mexico. They pay no tariff to import their goods. Funny, the US Government loses tax revenue and customers are making less money or no money so they can't buy goods. Good luck with that! Barack Obama is a Corporatist.

It works like this:

You take what you can get early on, and let the guy that replaces you worry about it later.

Bob_Laublaw: T-Luv: The tallest tree in the forest gets the most sunlight

This is gonna turn into a RUSH thread, isn't it?

Looks like it, but unfortunately the fat radio babbling fearmonger type of Rush, not the cool band I saw a couple weeks ago. :(

// Totally get The Trees reference. :)

Mugato: and some software might actually be written by Americans

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_39/b4002001.htm

clip - Perhaps most surprising, information technology has turned into one of the biggest job-growth disappointments of all time.

meow said the dog: Please give me the $400,000 a year salary and then you can tax me at 75% if you would like to do this. I do not need to buy the giant fake breasts are the tickets to see the Derp Rally.

Jesus H Christ... THIS THIS AND THIS. Tax me at the highest rate and give me that salary. I won't biatch.

Bashy35:

Exactly. Sooooo, the solution is to tax educated, hard-working business-owners and employers? That sounds like a terrible solution. We're the folks out employing people and keeping homes out of foreclosure. We're the people who stimulate the economy by going to stores, shops and restaurants. Sure, fark us all in the ass, Obama.

-Bashy35

Shove it up your ass. I'm educated, hard working, but I'm not a business owner. I pay my bills (including my mortgage), I go to stores, I shop, and we eat out from time to time. Just because you own your own business doesn't make you and more farking special than me.

Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

-Bashy35

Yeah, that damn communist, Grover Cleveland, made us do it (new window).

Dawnrazor: T-Luv: Kali-Yuga: Bashy35: Isn't this what the Communist Party did? Celebrate the "worker"? Calling them heroes and building statues in their honor. I'm not denying that we need a middle-class, I'm just why the fark are we idolizing them?

Because they want everyone to be middle class or lower, it's just not fair that some people with education, intelligence and drive are more successful than others. We're all equals right? That means we should all be equally wealthy.

The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the mower.

The tallest tree in the forest gets the most sunlight

The loneliest goat sees the last sunset last.

He who wears tight pants has no ballroom.

Minorities?

Bashy35: Exactly. Sooooo, the solution is to tax educated, hard-working business-owners and employers? ...
-Bashy35

America is a functional meritocracy? You sound unemployed. And who still 1995's a sig on Fark?