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2010-09-06 03:58:46 AM
i'm drunk, so i'm getting a kick out of the3w regplis
 
2010-09-06 04:02:15 AM
Big Al: So go volunteer to meet people, go to networking meetings, apply for unpaid internships. There are countless ways to make connections including riding the coat tales of fellow class mates.

This.

It's not what you know, it's who you know. Always has been, always will be.

Too late for colonel_bob, but any farkers reading this who are considering going to college (or back to college), the single most important thing you'll get out of it is a network of peers. You don't have to suck up to anyone you actually dislike, but take the opportunity to get some experience. Masters/PhD students ask for help stuffing envelopes? Say yes! Got an opportunity for some part-time work in your field? Say yes! It might take a little longer to complete your degree, but thousands of graduates will have the same piece of paper you do; how many will have hands-on-experience?

The second most important thing college teaches you is how to find information. The third thing is how to phrase that info in the manner they want. The actual detailed, course-relevant information is just window dressing. If you learn: how to network, how figure out stuff and how to speak like you know what you're talking about, then it hardly matters what the actual "stuff" is. (Exception: obviously this doesn't include the really hands-on, practical disciplines like medicine. It's one thing figuring out that you need a cadaver to practise on, it's another thing to actually procure one!)

/gimme a couple of weeks and I could probably convince Rohar to hire me and I have zero IT knowledge. (Unfortunately, zero IT interest, and happy in Australia, so no bets on that claim :P)
//Got three friends earning very good money in IT - one has a biology degree, one did a year of archaeology before dropping out to get a real job, the other has an arts degree. I don't think I know anyone with an IT job who actually studied IT at uni.
 
2010-09-06 04:12:29 AM
Majin_Buu: /in before Gato Trollo

And yet you're doing basically the same thing, in much the same style.

Yeah, I'm thinking you're his alt. Politics troll alts tend to be opposed alignment for sock-puppet purposes.

//Just sayin'
 
2010-09-06 04:17:48 AM
colonel_bob: Either that or I grind people the wrong way during interviews. In one of my several final rounds one of the questions posed was "So what's your favorite website?" Since I don't have any one in particular (a true citizen of the interwebs!), I answered FARK - the vice president of a fairly large online retailer had never heard of it, so I was pretty sure I was farked (ha ha! get it!?) once he said he'd look it up after the interview.

Oh dear. "How to interview well" really is something they should teach at uni. But you totally failed that question.

HUGE TIP: Anything that looks like a free-form, personal-opinion question is really a trick question. You're supposed to use those questions to show your "fit" for the company. What you coulda/shoulda said would've been:
a) Something complimentary about the website of the people you were interviewing for. Like "I like the way your website has blah blah blah feature", OR
b) Something industry-related, like "I read x-retail news, I find blah blah interesting".

It's not about sucking up or brown-nosing. That's the wrong way to think about it. It's not even about lying ... it's about telling selective truths. Saying "wow what gorgeous shoes", instead of "wtf have you done to your hair". They're both true (in my hypothetical example they are, just roll with it, okay) ... but only one is the "acceptable" thing to say in 99% of situations.

You can luck out telling the first truth that comes to mind, he could've been a secret farker, she coulda been attacked by flying porpoises and not realised the damage they'd done to her hair, but odds are you're just going to shove your foot in your mouth.

/Did I really say "attacked by flying porpoises"? I think it's nap time, I tend to waffle bizarrely when sleepy.
 
2010-09-06 05:31:28 AM
trippdogg: I have a job that pays well in a very stable industry. It took me 35 years to work up to it, but here we are - so please, don't ruin this for me.

Seriously, if you're young and think 1995 to 2005 was economic reality, this is all going to be new to you...


OK, you peaked my curiosity. What industry are you in? I don't know if you meant it that way but I read your first sentence as "I took the opportunity to screwed you royally, don't try take my victory away". Also why 1995 - 2005? I don't see anything specific to that time frame.
 
2010-09-06 05:44:06 AM
News sites get paid by advertisers. The worse the news is the more people go visit that page. So basically journalistic integrity is dead. Its all pay to play as far as news goes anymore. TV broadcast is the same. They are always going after the dramatic. What can kill your child this week? Tune in at 10 and find out.

Just about the only people I know that think the economy isnt getting better are ones that bought overpriced property or put their money in risky investments and lost their shirts. Now everything for them is doom and gloom. It doesnt matter that you can show them hundreds of local job listing that havent been filled after months online and in local classifieds. The only thing they know is that they had to default on their mortgage and now are renting a home that is only 2800 square feet. It doesnt matter that its only them and their spouse and they have no need for a 5 bedroom home with an extra family room.

Sooner or later people will figure out that there are jobs all over the country. They might have to move or accept 20k less than they were making but eventually they will have to stop living off of extended unemployment benefits and join the rest of us in the workforce. How many people are defaulting on home loans because their house is worth 1/2 of what they paid for it? Even if they could afford to live their they just walk away because "its not a good investment"?

Seriously people if you cant find a job 5 minutes from your house start looking in different cities and states. I know it sucks to move away from everything and everyone you know. I would rather do that than live in my car and eat beans out of a can because I didnt want to move out of X city.

There are a lot of things wrong in this country and one of them is the belief that we are owed something. We pay taxes and we can draw unemployment to get us by until we find a job. We cant expect the government to pay for us to live for 10 years because we dont want to move out of Michigan because its where we grew up.

/Bootstraps
 
2010-09-06 06:02:10 AM
Truncks1: stirfrybry: You clowns are perhaps book smart and can repeat a number of complicated theories, but you don't a damn thing about economics. Idiot

those darn libs and there book lernin'!! dey dun kno much about economies do thay! starring down frum there irvony towers . Us real mericans know REAL things . Like in my bible. I dont wanna talk to no scientist, they just lie and gettin me pissed


Where in the fark did he mention anything even remotely religious or Christian? What's does that have to do with his statement?

So someone makes a very valid point about business, and your enlightened rebuttal is to bring up the bible as though that had anything to do with it?

His point was that unless you have started, ran, help ran, were hired as a manager to help a business get off the ground, been in there with your farking hands on the actual tangible thing...then you really don't know dick about it.

Read all the books you want and write economic papers judging everyone else's results, but the fact is, the best education comes from actually doing it on a daily basis.

This is all his point was and you had to turn it into:

"Derp, I'm going to do a bad impression of a southern red neck, Jesus humping, Sarah Palin masturbating retard! Especially since I know for fact that's what anyone who doesn't see the world just as I do must be."

Save it man. It's a tired and worn out act that is so intellectually boring. No different than the "Jesus Warriors" that would tell me I am going to hell outside of the venue of whatever concert I was attending.

Either wise up to the point the man was trying to make, or get some new material.
 
2010-09-06 06:24:19 AM
Reality Dichotomist:
Either wise up to the point the man was trying to make, or get some new material.


I think the point was that many of us have heard this shiate from old stirfry plenty of times and this response is spot on. It's based on multiple posts across multiple subjects for multiple years. You'd feel the same if you weren't a hyper-sensitive newbie.

/Lighten up, Francis.
 
2010-09-06 06:43:40 AM
EL_FABREZ: BlockBug: Majin_Buu your a idiot!!


Grammar are hard.


i781.photobucket.com
 
2010-09-06 07:26:12 AM
Doppleganger871: I think I'm gonna try the Obama method of getting my financial situation better. Borrow more money, spend like brutha in a pawn shop, and not worry about paying it back.

The "Obama" method? While you're at it, why don't you give him credit for inventing the wheel, too?

Lotta kids these days think "history" is something that started the day they were born.

Read a book, read a book, read a mothaf**kin' book.
 
2010-09-06 08:16:38 AM
As far as making connections in college, it's a pretty BFD. It took me until junior year to realize that I wasn't going to a hoity toity private college because it would teach me how to write, I was going so that when I graduated I could use my connections to land a job. Now I have two potential career paths, both of which are within my capabilities and interests, and a pretty damn good shot of getting one, the other, or both, and being able to do all of them while living with my boyfriend as far from my family as I can reasonably get without nasty phonecalls every weekend asking why I don't call or visit anymore.

/graduating this year
//shiat
 
2010-09-06 08:18:10 AM
The 20% of idiots saying "Hey, things are good for me, so the economy isn't bad at all" are not looking at the big picture. Just as bad as the Climate Change deniers who think that the weather is fine for them, so the rest of the world must be fine as well. I'm sure the almost 1 in 5 unemployed/underemployed will not agree with your rosy picture.

Wanna see how bad it is? Come to Detroit.
 
2010-09-06 08:53:01 AM
AngryDragon: The 20% of idiots saying "Hey, things are good for me, so the economy isn't bad at all" are not looking at the big picture. Just as bad as the Climate Change deniers who think that the weather is fine for them, so the rest of the world must be fine as well. I'm sure the almost 1 in 5 unemployed/underemployed will not agree with your rosy picture.

Wanna see how bad it is? Come to Detroit.


Detroit is a shiathole for many reasons beyond the general economy. But as long as we're on the subject, do you show your kids RoboCop so they can wish the city was as nice as depicted in that movie?
 
2010-09-06 09:24:16 AM
//


mynameist 2010-09-05 11:02:05 PM

Where is this bad economy that people are speaking of? I'm living in a town with 1% unemployment. We'll hire crackheads here.

mynameist 2010-09-05 11:23:22 PM

InfamousBLT: I love how a lot of you say you're doing better.

Go talk to the class of 2010 and ask them how the economy is.

/a BS in Meteorology with a minor in Math should have made me employable
//fark yeah minimum wage

I'd offer you $70k(ish) if you took a more mature approach to your situation.

Name: Tyler
Location: NODAK
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Bio:
My name is Tyler. I will be 30 in less than three years but people still think I'm in my early 20s. Growing up is scary! I graduated with a BSEE from Mizzou a few years back and work worldwide in the upstream petroleum industry. I get outside a lot not only with work, but ATV riding and fishing as well. I care about the environment, but drive an F-250 diesel pickup. I like to follow politics, but I don't vote. I like to know what's going on in the world, but I only read Fark.

I'm about to buy a TF membership soon, but I'm super cheap when it comes to intangibles.


//

You are a horrid, self centered little creature. Pretty full of yourself, huh?
 
2010-09-06 09:29:20 AM
un_farking_real: peeledpeas: As long as 80% of people continue to think the economy is bad, it will stay that way. all it takes to turn it around is to have 80% of the people think the economy is good. That's right, YOU are the economy. Not the President, not Congress. YOU.

THIS!


So The leftists in the country that believed 6% unemployment was the worst economic condition since the Great Depression, when they voted for Obama caused this?
 
2010-09-06 09:33:57 AM
lh4.ggpht.com
 
2010-09-06 09:34:01 AM
dingdongrb: My motto has always been:

Eighty percent of the population is ignorant and the other twenty percent live off of them.


Or maybe, the evil CEOs and Charlie Rangels of the world are doing well off of the blood of the rest?

In any other thread, this would be the Total Fark Hive-Mind's view. But now it is the little people's fault? You guys are such predictable hypocrites. Do any of you have an original thought? I think half of the Total Fark left is one guy with a lot of alts. I think you are all Linux_yes.
 
2010-09-06 10:46:53 AM
Compassion and teamwork are the only ways out of this economic conundrum. Looking at everything from a strictly market-based perspective does not address the reality that we are still a society that requires cohesiveness and trust.

Bringing back manufacturing is too expensive? Is it more expensive than full scale economic collapse?

But I don't expect the people on this site to agree, or even understand. Perhaps we are destined to collapse. It's for the best, most of these quasi-middle class dolts will be the first to degrade into desperate retards begging for the government to help them. . . of course, we will have the Fark archives to read about how they boostrapped their way up the food chain and how they insist no socialist program should help anybody.
 
2010-09-06 11:27:43 AM
farm5.static.flickr.com
I found Merrikuh's economy!
 
2010-09-06 11:35:38 AM
firefly212: Meh, it's not as bad as the media would have you believe. Of course, the same people who cried about how the media always overblows disasters during the BP spill are now decrying how there just isn't enough hype over the "meh" state of the economy. For what it's worth, my store has nearly 20 job openings... the problem is more that of the applications in the system, everyone seems to think that they should get paid 15-25 dollars an hour for retail jobs. Unrealistic income expectations aren't a function of the bad economy, but of a piss poor education system that tells people their BA in physical fitness is worth something.

Working full-time at 15 dollars/hr. still only puts you at $31,200/yr. income. Less taxes, and you're at around $22K, giving you around $1850 per month of usable income. Even for a single person, that is not a great deal to live on (depending on your spending habits and where you live of course)

Figure:
rent (around $500 in my city for a one bedroom)
utilities (maybe $150?)
car payment (maybe $200)
health insurance ($150)

leaves you $200-ish per week for food, clothing, and everything else. That is not a lot for a single person, let alone a head of a family or couple.
 
2010-09-06 12:18:19 PM
He Who Shall Not Be Named Quote 2010-09-06 05:44:06 AM

Sooner or later people will figure out that there are jobs all over the country.

>>>>

I disagree, looking at the big picture there will always be a higher unemployment rate going forward. Production used to be a well paying job booming a middle class that could afford a house in the burbs, vacations, etc. Now what? Now the middle class is a 40k a year McDonalds night shift manager. There are less and less good paying jobs out there. We cannot compete with dollar a day cheap labor workers. Either start doing what this country prospered and was founded on, tariffs, or lobby for a global minimum wage tied to each countries per capita gdp or some similar figure.

Today we are a country built on speculation and the service industry. Natural unemployment levels of 5 were a some-what norm, these days I can see closer to 10%. Get used to this number. Don't be so shocked if there are people unemployed and a lot of them cannot afford to move or get an education in a skill that pays better than what they did before.
 
2010-09-06 12:19:36 PM
Head_Shot Quote 2010-09-06 11:35:38 AM

leaves you $200-ish per week for food, clothing, and everything else. That is not a lot for a single person, let alone a head of a family or couple.

>>>

That's why both heads of household usually have to work, leaving their children to be raised by their friends, siblings, tv and movies. Which explains the disaster of this new generation.
 
2010-09-06 12:19:58 PM
peeledpeas: As long as 80% of people continue to think the economy is bad, it will stay that way. all it takes to turn it around is to have 80% of the people think the economy is good. That's right, YOU are the economy. Not the President, not Congress. YOU.

Well I just wish that the president and congress would stop taking MY money out of the economy in the form of taxes.
 
2010-09-06 12:26:56 PM
GORDON Quote 2010-09-06 12:19:58 PM

Well I just wish that the president and congress would stop taking MY money out of the economy in the form of taxes.

>>>

Chances are you haven't seen less being taken out for taxes in your entire lifetime. Even though you are probably making more now than you have in the past. You keep spitting out those catch phrases blindly, the GOP PR machines have done their job.
 
2010-09-06 12:52:48 PM
Doppleganger871: I think I'm gonna try the Obama Republican method of getting my financial situation better. Borrow more money, spend like brutha in a pawn shop, and not worry about paying it back.

FTFY; get your cliches straight: the GOP borrows and spends, the Dems tax and spend - which, BTW, is at least more fiscally responsible (not to mention more honest) than the former.
 
2010-09-06 02:11:03 PM
Liberalism generates the exact opposite of its stated intent; time after time. All the left has is blaming Republicans. Get a clue; Democrats have been holding the purse strings since Jan 2007.
 
2010-09-06 02:47:35 PM
420 Conservative Quote 2010-09-06 02:11:03 PM
Liberalism generates the exact opposite of its stated intent; time after time. All the left has is blaming Republicans. Get a clue; Democrats have been holding the purse strings since Jan 2007.

>>>

How long did they have a veto-proof majority and controlled House and Senate?
 
2010-09-06 03:45:41 PM
The Envoy: Reality Dichotomist:
Either wise up to the point the man was trying to make, or get some new material.

I think the point was that many of us have heard this shiate from old stirfry plenty of times and this response is spot on. It's based on multiple posts across multiple subjects for multiple years. You'd feel the same if you weren't a hyper-sensitive newbie.

/Lighten up, Francis.


Been lurking for a really long time and I guess I missed where stirfry was a master of spinning the derp.

Guess I should spend more time in the politics tab.

Meh, enjoying another Great Lakes beer right now!
 
2010-09-06 03:48:10 PM
InfamousBLT: I love how a lot of you say you're doing better.

Go talk to the class of 2010 and ask them how the economy is.

/a BS in Meteorology with a minor in Math should have made me employable
//fark yeah minimum wage


Wow, try DTN/Televent, Meterologix, etc. They are all hiring. You should know though that unless you have a masters or doctorate, you aren't getting into NWS....your prof should have explained that to you. If you want to get into TV/media, then you can do that as well, you just have to work at it. I know of many friends who are mets, and you have to earn your way in that profession moreso than in others.
 
2010-09-06 03:57:13 PM
InfamousBLT: I love how a lot of you say you're doing better.

Go talk to the class of 2010 and ask them how the economy is.

/a BS in Meteorology with a minor in Math should have made me employable
//fark yeah minimum wage


And just some more info on this, if you graduated with any sort of GPA, you might even work at CSWR, or hell, National Science Foundation. WeatherEye Online is hiring for mets, Meridian Enviro. tech is hiring mets almost all the time. Every met major that I know of who has graduated from a number of schools with a met degree has a job working in their field. They aren't paid well, but they have a job, with benefits. Sorry, I am not buying the fact you don't have a job as a met.

You have to come to the realization you aren't going to get into NWS just on your good looks alone. If you don't at least have a masters, your chances of getting in are pretty slim. I know the Navy is always looking for good, qualified mets as well.

Sorry, I am just not buying that you aren't getting a job in your field unless you are

a) incompetent
b) not willing to move somewhere there are jobs for mets
c) don't even have a face for radio

I know there are a number of jobs out there for mets that are qualified. You just have to be willing to move to the Midwest and accept 30K a year.
 
2010-09-06 04:59:53 PM
InfamousBLT: At any rate, having a math / science background should have helped me get a foot in the door into all sorts of interesting things, or so I thought.

Instead of thinking you should have asked or researched. No snark intended though I'm sure it sounds like it. You have a stupid degree by most people's accounts. You may as well go for a communications degree now and become a weatherperson.
 
2010-09-06 05:48:56 PM
Big Al: 420 Conservative Quote 2010-09-06 02:11:03 PM
Liberalism generates the exact opposite of its stated intent; time after time. All the left has is blaming Republicans. Get a clue; Democrats have been holding the purse strings since Jan 2007.

>>>

How long did they have a veto-proof majority and controlled House and Senate?


I don't think he's coming back, so I'll answer: they didn't, of course. The Democrats have not had a veto-proof or filibuster-proof majority in this century.
 
Ehh
2010-09-06 07:56:31 PM
just_intonation: Cast NOT ONE VOTE for an incumbent.

The sentiments are understandable, but does that mean voting for Angle over Reid (awful as Reid is)? For Fiorina over Boxer?
 
2010-09-06 08:17:49 PM
Come on Obama, there's still hope in some of their eyes. GBTW and stomp that out of them!
 
2010-09-06 08:35:38 PM
Slartibartfaster: Gyrfalcon: Well, probably not, because we're not voting for a President this year. But thanks for playing

He did not explictly dispute that.

There are two elections right ? and the term does not dispute that in any way as defined in your quote ?

/// the dems can get decimated in the mid terms
//and Obama can be one term next election around ?
/ I am not a USA citizen, resident, or fan


New meme: Election nazi?
 
2010-09-06 08:43:16 PM
Gyrfalcon: New meme: Election nazi?

We have ways of making you vote!
 
2010-09-06 11:43:58 PM
Having sipped on moonshine tonight I must admit that drunkenness is in my favor.
 
2010-09-07 07:31:52 AM
colonel_bob:
I was smart enough to get into and make it through without incident one of the best schools in the country. But I quickly realized that while I have the brains to cut it, I don't have something that's far more valuable post-graduation: connections. My dad worked on an oil rig instead of going to college or being rich in the first place, and that has hurt my ability to find a job more than the economy or my dislike of brown-nosing combined.

So yes, I'm farking bitter.


Sorry to break this to you, but if you do not have any "connections", it is your own damn fault. It has nothing to do with what your parents had. During your time at of of the "best" schools you could have made connections with other students, with professors, your schools career advisory/placement office, joined various associations - many of which charge little or nothing for student members - used your skills doing volunteer/unpaid work, etc. You may be proud of not doing these "brown nosing" activities, but where has it gotten you now?

It is not too late, you can still start making those connections by at least joining one of the many computer professional organizations and getting involved. But it is up to you - the name of the game is networking and connection these days, and if you choose not to play it, you will be left out.
 
2010-09-07 09:52:12 AM
Head_Shot:
Working full-time at 15 dollars/hr. still only puts you at $31,200/yr. income. Less taxes, and you're at around $22K, giving you around $1850 per month of usable income. Even for a single person, that is not a great deal to live on (depending on your spending habits and where you live of course)

Figure:
rent (around $500 in my city for a one bedroom)
utilities (maybe $150?)
car payment (maybe $200)
health insurance ($150)

leaves you $200-ish per week for food, clothing, and everything else. That is not a lot for a single person, let alone a head of a family or couple.


L2overtime, n00b.

Also, a car isn't necessary and health insurance is going to be covered by pretty much any full-time job in the vast majority of the country.

But even given that, 200$/week is hardly horrible. The 90's version of 200$ a week more than covered the food and minor expenses budget for a family of 5, if you're calling that a tight budget for one person you're doing it wrong.

But yeah, wait until you have a good job to have kids. Those expenses are not controllable.
 
2010-09-07 10:56:48 AM
There's quite a few jobs out there, unfortunately for me, none of them are entry-level and the few that are there's probably 50 applications and I haven't even gotten a response back.

farkers.
 
2010-09-07 04:17:11 PM
peeledpeas: As long as 80% of people continue to think the economy is bad, it will stay that way. all it takes to turn it around is to have 80% of the people think the economy is good. That's right, YOU are the economy. Not the President, not Congress. YOU.

If you imagine production going up, it will happen.
www.balloons.co.uk
 
2010-09-07 05:07:13 PM
I lost my job in the middle of the Recession. Took me just under 8 months to get employed again. During that time I tightened up my spending and paid down my debt. Now that I'm employed again, I have greater purchasing power, better credit and am back to my happy-American-consumer ways.

Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Is it not working like that for everyone else?
 
2010-09-07 05:25:20 PM
Poor shape????


the wealthiest 2% of americans are wealthier than ever.


i don't see a problem.

snicker.
 
2010-09-08 08:07:39 PM
BMFPitt:
You are aware that there's a difference between you personally and the economy, right? 70% of the economy is based on your idiot neighbor maxing out his credit card. We gave it some crack and it woke up a bit from where it was, but that doesn't actually fix the root problem, it just makes it worse and delays the results.


That's my point. People who are doing well (like myself) don't see a problem with the economy. It's not that they're stupid or drunk or crazy, they are just the ones benefiting from the current state of things. If the economy was stronger, they could actually be worse off. Therefore, "poor shape" is not how they would describe it.
 
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