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(CNN)   80 percent of Americans say that the economy is in poor shape. The other 20 percent are drunk   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 194
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2010-09-06 12:02:31 AM  
EL_FABREZ: BlockBug: Majin_Buu your a idiot!!


Grammar are hard.


Grammar are is hard.
/FTFY
 
2010-09-06 12:03:35 AM  
scwewywabbit: this country is farked, not because of the current economy, but because of its population.

It's lazy, stupid, uneducated, and willing to blame others over working itself back up to shape. Read the comments section of that article, it's equally hilarious and infuriating. Both the Demtards and Republican'ts.

That's why the economy is tanking, and will continue to tank for a very long time, until another catastrophe hits us and motivates everyone.

(and no, I'm not trying to troll)


Says the guy sitting on his ass surfing the internet.
 
2010-09-06 12:05:43 AM  
Without reading every single comment...

Maybe it's because I'm in Texas...
Maybe because I'm specifically in DFW...

But the Construction/Engineering company I work for hasn't been this busy since 2007. We're getting our asses kicked, while corporate is too upright to hire someone new for fear of the slowdown that comes around winter. Maybe our company is lucky, but maybe the 20% of drunk people just happen to work in an area with a good economy and for a company that has an above average amount of work. I mean, WTF?! I know this is Fark, but what are the odds that anyone would experience different situations in life?!
 
2010-09-06 12:07:01 AM  
Yodacat: Without reading every single comment...

Maybe it's because I'm in Texas...
Maybe because I'm specifically in DFW...

But the Construction/Engineering company I work for hasn't been this busy since 2007. We're getting our asses kicked, while corporate is too upright to hire someone new for fear of the slowdown that comes around winter. Maybe our company is lucky, but maybe the 20% of drunk people just happen to work in an area with a good economy and for a company that has an above average amount of work. I mean, WTF?! I know this is Fark, but what are the odds that anyone would experience different situations in life?!


Upright = Uptight

Shutup
 
2010-09-06 12:10:30 AM  
Yodacat:
Upright = Uptight

Shutup


No, no, no!

Forget your reality-based first-person insight! You made a typo! Banination for you!
 
2010-09-06 12:11:08 AM  
Yodacat: Upright = Uptight

Isn't that Alright = Uptight = Out-of-sight?
 
2010-09-06 12:17:05 AM  
When times got bad, companies cut out a lot of fat. Now that those 20% of use that are the bone and muscle aren't weighed down by their incompetence we can kick ass and chew bubble gum. Times are good, companies can't afford to lose us.

/currently out of bubble gum
//the fat ate it all while talking on their phone, facebooking, and texting instead of doing real work
 
2010-09-06 12:17:32 AM  
InfamousBLT:
I'm in touch with some profs, but sadly they really didn't offer much insight other than "you probably shouldn't go to grad school." Beyond that, no. I'm too poor to afford to join any of the associations, and I don't have any mentor. As I said, I'm basically contact-less, which has probably hurt me more than anything else right now.

Many technology associations offer discounts to students/recent grads for which you may qualify - you should contact them, they may even be willing to give you a discount given your job situation.

I notice that membership in the American Meteorological Association is just $44 for a half year, or $88 for a full year. If you qualify for the student rate, it looks like it is only $20. Surely you can set aside between $20-$88 for those benefits? They also offering mentoring, and opportunities to volunteer for the association (even, it seems, if you are not a member) - both things that can help you generate contacts.

I would go back and ask your professors how do they keep current in the field - maybe they are willing to "sponsor" you as a student/inter into those associated. Perhaps you can even offer to do volunteer work for them. You never know what that might lead to.

Just some things to consider - a little money and time/effort to invest, but the payoff may be well worth it.
 
2010-09-06 12:20:29 AM  
Here in Nevada the unemployment rate is over 15%. But at least we have healthcare "reform." Too bad it won't fully kick in until 2014. If this is change, bring W back. I hated him with the fire of 1000 suns but at least I had a job then.
 
2010-09-06 12:27:51 AM  
peeledpeas: As long as 80% of people continue to think the economy is bad, it will stay that way. all it takes to turn it around is to have 80% of the people think the economy is good. That's right, YOU are the economy. Not the President, not Congress. YOU.

So chocolate rations are up then?
 
2010-09-06 12:31:53 AM  
rel-yo: Here in Nevada the unemployment rate is over 15%. But at least we have healthcare "reform." Too bad it won't fully kick in until 2014. If this is change, bring W back. I hated him with the fire of 1000 suns but at least I had a job then.

I want to make a bumper sticker that says "IS THIS THE CHANGE YOU WERE HOPING FOR?" and put it on my car.

And I hate bumper stickers, almost as much as you hated W.

Obama didn't get us into this mess. Neither did W. *We The People* got ourselves into it, and *we the people* need to fix it.

Of course, that means some responsibility must be taken, and FSMforbid *that* actually happening. But we all know it's true.
 
2010-09-06 12:32:48 AM  
Well, I'm drunk and I know the economy is in the shiatter.

Where does that leave me Mr. Calculus?
 
2010-09-06 12:40:23 AM  
jingks: Yodacat: Upright = Uptight

Isn't that Alright = Uptight = Out-of-sight?


Yes. Yes, it is. (new window)
 
2010-09-06 12:40:46 AM  
I'm a consultant for a company that makes clinical information systems. Thanks to ARRA I've got all the work I can handle. I likely will stay busy for a few years. I'm hoping that the economy will be in slightly better shape by the time they decide they dont need me. Should have my degree finished up by then too.
 
2010-09-06 12:41:43 AM  
You know, if you have enough money to spend on getting drunk, you can't really complain. Unless you're drinking thunderbird, that is.
 
2010-09-06 12:48:37 AM  
scwewywabbit: this country is farked, not because of the current economy, but because of its population.

It's lazy, stupid, uneducated, and willing to blame others over working itself back up to shape. Read the comments section of that article, it's equally hilarious and infuriating. Both the Demtards and Republican'ts.

That's why the economy is tanking, and will continue to tank for a very long time, until another catastrophe hits us and motivates everyone.

(and no, I'm not trying to troll)


Yes, Americans are lazy except compared to every other nation in the world (except South Korea).

But I'm sure YOU are much more competent than everyone else.
 
2010-09-06 12:50:01 AM  
InfamousBLT: mynameist: InfamousBLT: I love how a lot of you say you're doing better.

Go talk to the class of 2010 and ask them how the economy is.

/a BS in Meteorology with a minor in Math should have made me employable
//fark yeah minimum wage

I forgot to mention that wind energy is booming in the Midwest. Apply to all of them. Any skills in math should set you apart, but there may be a problem in the shortsightedness of these "green" companies in that they may want someone who would contribute immediately. You may want to be prepared for tough questions if you get an interview.

If I do end up going to grad school that's what I'm going to specialize in. I took some boundary layer courses so I understand the basics of it. The big problem right now though is that I have no experience, and nobody is hiring fresh meat, because there are plenty of experienced folk who are getting laid off who have families to feed. Its bad luck and the by product of a poor economy. At any rate I am doing my best to get myself more qualified, and if in the meantime something pops up then I'll be set anyways. Its just difficult now for sure.


InfamousBLT: At least you have good spelling and are able to put forward well thought out statements. You will be fine in the long run, best luck to you, keep it up!
 
2010-09-06 12:52:59 AM  
Apparently this is the thread where everyone goes to spew their ridiculous bullshiat.

Even for fark there is an incredible amount of hyperbole/stupidity/flat-out lying going on in this thread. It is mildly entertaining at least though.

/grabs another beer
 
2010-09-06 12:54:05 AM  
liverleef: I'm a consultant for a company that makes clinical information systems.

Hmm, that makes us competitors, as I don't think we hire consultants (though our clients will).

Thanks to ARRA I've got all the work I can handle.

Yep, same here. It's a pretty strong time for our industry.
 
2010-09-06 12:57:48 AM  
Big Al: stirfrybry Quote 2010-09-05 11:13:49 PM

It seems you want everyone to stick their heads in the sand. Your team had its chance and they sucked.

>>>>

That's funny. You mean largest and fastest job growth in any recovery ever is sucked? The economy is just going through a slow patch again, mainly because of uncertainty with the housing crises still and lower amount of jobs available because companies are tightening their wallets and shipping jobs overseas. Welcome to the reality that the Reagan revolution started. You think it takes a few months of slim majority rule to fix that?


LOL liberal math

fastest job growth? you're farking insane. Temporary census jobs funded by a one time infusion does not spur investment.

liberals scared the shiat out of business people and you have not seen anything yet as far as job cuts as soon as you precious health bill mandates go into effect. You clowns are perhaps book smart and can repeat a number of complicated theories, but you don't a damn thing about economics. Idiot
 
2010-09-06 12:58:50 AM  
texastag: Surpheon: WideStance: Government spending on the poor, then tightening, tighter than before.

By tightening do you mean cutting spending on the poor (entitlements) or firing hundreds of thousands of government workers (teachers, police, fda inspectors at egg farms - who are apparently pretty crap anyway)?

Tightening isn't the answer, growth is. Our current historically low taxes would be fine if everyone was working and producing enough to actually be paying them.

I have an idea. Let's keep the teachers and police (who are state or local employees anyway), the FDA inspectors and other essential government employees and services but do away with the 4000 government programs in this book...



Delete some of the departments and fire the thousands of employees that administer them.

That might save a bit of cash. A billion here and a billion there and pretty soon you're talking real money!


So you want thousands more people unemployed? You're a real prince, aren't you?

Or at least something that starts with the words p-r-i.
 
2010-09-06 01:00:22 AM  
mynameist: InfamousBLT: I love how a lot of you say you're doing better.

Go talk to the class of 2010 and ask them how the economy is.

/a BS in Meteorology with a minor in Math should have made me employable
//fark yeah minimum wage

I'd offer you $70k(ish) if you took a more mature approach to your situation.

How about giving me the 70kish (In US dollars, no Nigerian currency please) so I can then reinvest the capital you provided into employment opportunities in a severely economically depressed area?
 
2010-09-06 01:04:03 AM  
Thankfully, I am in the 20%. Mmmmmm. Lagunitas IPA.
 
2010-09-06 01:05:33 AM  
farking 55 applications, all to places I'm more than qualified to work for, and not a single farking offer.

fark the economy, I want to put the skills I paid so dearly for to work and none of you farkers is giving me a chance.
 
2010-09-06 01:08:14 AM  
stirfrybry: You clowns are perhaps book smart and can repeat a number of complicated theories, but you don't a damn thing about economics. Idiot

those darn libs and there book lernin'!! dey dun kno much about economies do thay! starring down frum there irvony towers . Us real mericans know REAL things . Like in my bible. I dont wanna talk to no scientist, they just lie and gettin me pissed
 
2010-09-06 01:11:11 AM  
As long as we the people fail to vote responsibly the people elect won't be.
 
2010-09-06 01:11:24 AM  
stirfrybry: Big Al: stirfrybry Quote 2010-09-05 11:13:49 PM

It seems you want everyone to stick their heads in the sand. Your team had its chance and they sucked.

>>>>

That's funny. You mean largest and fastest job growth in any recovery ever is sucked? The economy is just going through a slow patch again, mainly because of uncertainty with the housing crises still and lower amount of jobs available because companies are tightening their wallets and shipping jobs overseas. Welcome to the reality that the Reagan revolution started. You think it takes a few months of slim majority rule to fix that?

LOL liberal math

fastest job growth? you're farking insane. Temporary census jobs funded by a one time infusion does not spur investment.

liberals scared the shiat out of business people and you have not seen anything yet as far as job cuts as soon as you precious health bill mandates go into effect. You clowns are perhaps book smart and can repeat a number of complicated theories, but you don't a damn thing about economics. Idiot


Which businesses are scared? We're spending to beat all hell over hear. GMs are at about 50% and revenues are increasing at a steady 5% per week. I can't hire people fast enough and I can't seem to get manufacturers to deliver hardware as fast as I'm cutting checks. We've got VCs begging us to take their money.

But business is scared. Really?
 
2010-09-06 01:25:32 AM  
• The total US debt, including states and municipalities, will soon reach $18 trillion dollars. That is a Greece-like 120% of GDP.

• Once fiscal conservatism was abandoned, it led to the serial financial bubbles and Wall Street depredations that have crippled our economy.

• America's debt explosion has resulted from the Republican Party's embrace, three decades ago, of the insidious Supply Side doctrine that deficits don't matter if they result from tax cuts.

• The GOP controlled Congress from 1994 to 2006: Combine neocon warfare spending with entitlements, farm subsidies, education, water projects and you end up with a GOP welfare/warfare state driving the federal spending machine.

• It was Paul Volcker who crushed inflation and enabled a solid economic rebound - not the Reagan Supply Side Tax cuts.

• Republicans believed the "delusion that the economy will outgrow the deficit if plied with enough tax cuts."

• Over George W. Bush 8 years in office, non-defense appropriations gained 65%.

• From 2002 to 2006, the top 1% of Americans received two-thirds of the gain in national income.

How the GOP destroyed the US economy, (new window) by David Stockman, yes that David Stockman.
 
2010-09-06 01:28:40 AM  
rohar: Which businesses are scared? We're spending to beat all hell over hear. GMs are at about 50% and revenues are increasing at a steady 5% per week. I can't hire people fast enough and I can't seem to get manufacturers to deliver hardware as fast as I'm cutting checks. We've got VCs begging us to take their money.

But business is scared. Really?


Business = Companies whose profit is at the expense of the american workforce.

Everyone else doesn't count using teatard math.
 
2010-09-06 01:29:21 AM  
Snarfangel: Some of us drunkards think the economy is in poor shape, too.

Indeed. I want to be recognized and drunk AND thinking the economy is in poor shape. Further, I'm drunk on cheap tequila as opposed to quality single malt scotch and that's a gross tragedy.
 
2010-09-06 01:29:38 AM  
flowflowflow: End World Hunger Eat the Poor

www.roadkilltshirts.com
 
2010-09-06 01:30:19 AM  
darkedgefan: I look on the bright side. At least the dems will get decimated in Nov and Obama will be a one-termer(I hope). Yes!!!!

Well, probably not, because we're not voting for a President this year. But thanks for playing.
 
2010-09-06 01:32:02 AM  
colonel_bob: none of you farkers is giving me a chance

Is that on line one or two of your application ?
 
2010-09-06 01:34:55 AM  
Gyrfalcon: Well, probably not, because we're not voting for a President this year. But thanks for playing

He did not explictly dispute that.

There are two elections right ? and the term does not dispute that in any way as defined in your quote ?

/// the dems can get decimated in the mid terms
//and Obama can be one term next election around ?
/ I am not a USA citizen, resident, or fan
 
2010-09-06 01:52:32 AM  
peeledpeas: As long as 80% of people continue to think the economy is bad, it will stay that way. all it takes to turn it around is to have 80% of the people think the economy is good. That's right, YOU are the economy. Not the President, not Congress. YOU.

Ah yes, the plea of the damned - it's not our failed policies or our failed leadership, it's you. You stupid people who lost their jobs. You idiots who lost their homes. You Californians who live in a bankrupt state. You.

/ Going to enjoy the upcoming elections.
// Going to wear my "Health Care - It's a BFD!" shirt the day after.
 
2010-09-06 02:00:59 AM  
Precision Boobery: 80 percent of Americans say that the economy is in poor shape. The other 20 percent are drunk own 85% of the wealth

You always see that statistic where the top 1% of Americans hold 90% of the wealth, but what I want to know is what the rest of the scale looks like.

--Does the top 50% of Americans hold 97% of the wealth?

--How much does the bottom 1% hold? (I mean, they must hold some wealth.)

--Is there linear correlation, such that for example, the top .5% holds 45% of the wealth? Where's the line?

I really wonder about these things.
 
2010-09-06 02:09:51 AM  
shirtsbyeric: 2 years ago when unemployment was below 6% Obama told us it's the worst economy since the great depression and most of you believed him.

Bush took office with the unemployment rate at 4.7% and left with it at 7.7%. That is a huge % increase.
 
2010-09-06 02:22:29 AM  
stirfrybry Quote 2010-09-06 12:57:48 AM

LOL liberal math

fastest job growth? you're farking insane. Temporary census jobs funded by a one time infusion does not spur investment.

liberals scared the shiat out of business people and you have not seen anything yet as far as job cuts as soon as you precious health bill mandates go into effect. You clowns are perhaps book smart and can repeat a number of complicated theories, but you don't a damn thing about economics. Idiot

>>>>

You bash book smarts then say we don't understand economics like you "Real Americans" (TM)? Talk about being an idiot... and hey facts are facts. Fastest recovery from a recession ever. Largest job growth. That's what the stimulus did, and it was weighed down by Republican blind opposition where they put politics ahead of country, as usual.

No business is scared, they're all laughing to the bank. Who by the way is also filthy rich again too. Only people disgruntled are those making minimum wage like yourself.
 
2010-09-06 02:24:37 AM  
Slartibartfaster: colonel_bob: none of you farkers is giving me a chance

Is that on line one or two of your application ?


It's on the line that comes right after I get the "we think you're great, but Billy here has an uncle in HR" spiel.

The only people I know that have jobs that can lead to a career right out of college got them because of family connections or because their last name sounds foreign (their words, not mine).

I was smart enough to get into and make it through without incident one of the best schools in the country. But I quickly realized that while I have the brains to cut it, I don't have something that's far more valuable post-graduation: connections. My dad worked on an oil rig instead of going to college or being rich in the first place, and that has hurt my ability to find a job more than the economy or my dislike of brown-nosing combined.

So yes, I'm farking bitter.
 
2010-09-06 02:26:14 AM  
So go volunteer to meet people, go to networking meetings, apply for unpaid internships. There are countless ways to make connections including riding the coat tales of fellow class mates.
 
2010-09-06 02:31:56 AM  
naptapper: Ah yes, the plea of the damned - it's not our failed policies or our failed leadership, it's you. You stupid people who lost their jobs. You idiots who lost their homes. You Californians who live in a bankrupt state. You.

Sad.

There is so much excess capacity out there it is nuts.

Houses? There are something like 130 million houses/apartments in the US of which only 110 million are occupied. Average living space is over 1,900 sq ft per unit. Conservatively, that's enough for 900 million people.

Labor? Our tech company hires only college graduates. There are so many college grads available that our starting wages today are half what they were 8 years ago. We compete with dog kennels.

Business marketing? Take as a surrogate for the demand for business meetings the price of a rental car. It is almost impossible to pay more than $18 per day in a large city. There are fleets sitting parked.

US assets and labor are deteriorating to utilization levels equivalent to that which I saw at the collapse of the Soviet Union. It's not that there is no valuable work to be done here and innovative folks that could do it, there is simply no private investment.
 
2010-09-06 02:32:59 AM  
colonel_bob: Slartibartfaster: colonel_bob: none of you farkers is giving me a chance

Is that on line one or two of your application ?

It's on the line that comes right after I get the "we think you're great, but Billy here has an uncle in HR" spiel.

The only people I know that have jobs that can lead to a career right out of college got them because of family connections or because their last name sounds foreign (their words, not mine).

I was smart enough to get into and make it through without incident one of the best schools in the country. But I quickly realized that while I have the brains to cut it, I don't have something that's far more valuable post-graduation: connections. My dad worked on an oil rig instead of going to college or being rich in the first place, and that has hurt my ability to find a job more than the economy or my dislike of brown-nosing combined.

So yes, I'm farking bitter.


An economy where all the growth is in health care and IT and you decided neither. And you're bitter? Hell, I've gotta double my staff in the next two months and I've got no applicants worth pursuing. I'd like to help the economy, but all the graduates studied the wrong damned subjects.
 
2010-09-06 02:54:14 AM  
Sid_6.7: "Poor shape" by what metric? It isn't doing spectacularly well, but it's hardly an absolute disaster.

Private sector hiring shows signs of gradually increasing, though not to extremely high levels. The only reason the jobs report looked so bad this past week is that temporary census jobs went away, but private sector hiring grew.

Here's an idea, guys: stop watching 24 hour news networks who stopped caring about reporting news years ago.


It's been "showing signs of gradually increasing" for over a year and all we get is more months with more jobs lost. Just last month even more jobs were lost. That's after hundreds of billions in stimulus and trillions in 0% interest loans from the Fed. The existing companies now are doing great though. For everyone without a job, not so much.

Things aren't going back to what they were before and those jobs are likely to never come back. We need to quit pretending like they will and try to minimize short and long term damage instead of spending like a gambling addict trying to get his winnings back.
 
2010-09-06 03:10:37 AM  
This really started with Nixon in '71.
 
2010-09-06 03:12:27 AM  
My motto has always been:

Eighty percent of the population is ignorant and the other twenty percent live off of them.
 
2010-09-06 03:15:51 AM  
Big Al: No business is scared, they're all laughing to the bank. Who by the way is also filthy rich again too. Only people disgruntled are those making minimum wage like yourself.

That's not a fair statement either. The GOP doesn't like to use the words that describe their policies. Deficit spending, tax increases and expanding government are evil phrases. So they will say "tax cut" instead. The last 25 year the businesses the GOP cares about have been counting on the government to disguise their problems to stave off bankruptcy. They are all terrified that this will go away.

An example from of my most hated company Aetna. 5% of premiums is to paying claims. 26% of their premiums is administrative costs (the legal maximum) 40% is investments.
Problem 1: The market booms so Aetna investments are through the roof. How do you give all that money to executive board without the shareholders of employees or customers getting part of it? A capital gains tax cut allows you to shuffle the director's compensation to something not counted as an administrative expense.
Problem 2: The market goes south creating layoffs. Less people are paying premiums How to you maintain the executive pay while convincing people that Premiums need to rise? The GOP will deregulate so Aetna can count anything as a claim payment without fear of enforcment. Bonus now the claims expense just doubled while real claims shrunk with the economy.

Here comes Obama saying that he will not only enforce the laws but will make the expenses transparent so you can see Aetnas obvious waste. Yes there are a lot of businesses that are scared. Of course they are not business that contribute to the economy.
 
2010-09-06 03:19:29 AM  
Welcome to my Facebook page.
 
2010-09-06 03:35:05 AM  
rohar:
An economy where all the growth is in health care and IT and you decided neither. And you're bitter? Hell, I've gotta double my staff in the next two months and I've got no applicants worth pursuing. I'd like to help the economy, but all the graduates studied the wrong damned subjects.

Don't go around assuming things - I was a CompSci/Philosophy double major with a CogSci minor thrown in to boot. The only thing I can tell is that tech types figure I'm more interested in philosophy than code whereas everyone else thinks I'm too geeky to function in normal society.

Either that or I grind people the wrong way during interviews. In one of my several final rounds one of the questions posed was "So what's your favorite website?" Since I don't have any one in particular (a true citizen of the interwebs!), I answered FARK - the vice president of a fairly large online retailer had never heard of it, so I was pretty sure I was farked (ha ha! get it!?) once he said he'd look it up after the interview.
 
2010-09-06 03:52:21 AM  
CaptainFatass:
So you want thousands more people unemployed? You're a real prince, aren't you?

Or at least something that starts with the words p-r-i.


Yeah, you're right. We should keep them employed in jobs at departments administering programs that produce nothing but more expense for the taxpayers.

The government doesn't exist to provide them with jobs.

Vallejo California is not an example the federal government should be following.

Idiot.
 
2010-09-06 03:54:52 AM  
I have a job that pays well in a very stable industry. It took me 35 years to work up to it, but here we are - so please, don't ruin this for me.

Seriously, if you're young and think 1995 to 2005 was economic reality, this is all going to be new to you...
 
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