If you've ever been to a strip club, this headline isn't surprising.

catpuncher: If you've ever been to a strip club, this headline isn't surprising.

I mean, so I've heard.

Women make 80% what men make? Wow, I'm surprised no company has ever employed only women. They would save a lot of money that way.

There's a perfectly good reason why women get paid less than men who do the same job - because if the two of them are ever on a sinking ship together, she will get a spot in the lifeboat while he goes down with the ship. It all balances out......

Marilyn Vos Savant (clever person)already wrote about this:
Q - Some time ago, you polled your readers for their opinions about men and women in the workplace, and I put in my 2 cents. I'm still waiting to read the results. Can it be that they are too controversial to publish? - Herb Millspaugh, San Francisco, Calif.

A - No, but they're surprising, all right! Before the survey, I replied to a question about the claim that women are paid less than men for equal work by writing: "But if their work is equal, why aren't employers slashing their payroll costs by hiring women instead of men? In a free market, businesses are highly competitive, and if they're paying men more than they pay women, there must be a reason."

One reason, I wrote, might be that women often have less experience because of years spent at home raising children. During that time, men and women with unbroken careers have built customer bases, cultivated professional relationships and stayed in touch with developments in their industries. Those employees are going to be worth more, and that's only fair.

The National Committee on Pay Equity wrote to complain about that assessment. It blamed sex discrimination instead: "Women, on average, earn 77 cents on the dollar compared to men. Some of the gap is attributable to experience, education and time taken out of the workforce to raise children. But there is plenty of evidence that shows wage discrimination exists. We routinely hear from women who discover that they are paid less than equally qualified men."

This is a common misunderstanding, based on an inflammatory misinterpretation of Census Bureau survey statistics: The "77 cents on the dollar" figure is simply the weekly median (meaning middle: an equal number of women above and below) earnings figure ($473) of all working women divided by the weekly median earnings figure ($618) of all working men. These figures include everyone from dishwashers to physicists and have nothing whatsoever to do with equal pay for equal work. Yet the misleading phrase "77 cents on the dollar" has been the impetus for lawsuits and legislation, not to mention the source of unnecessary fury on the part of both sexes.

In short, much of the "wage gap" is due to experience, education and delayed or broken careers, plus the fact that women are concentrated in lower-paying occupations. It is possible that very little equal-pay-for-equal-work gap exists at all. Note: Equal qualifications don't produce equal performance in the workplace. Just because employees complain that they're not being paid as much as others doesn't mean their complaints are justified: Both male and female employees routinely fail to recognize their own personal shortcomings, and both complain about not being paid as much as fellow workers who they believe are equal or inferior to themselves.

To be convinced of any real equal-pay-for-equal-work gap, first we must see unbiased studies that show men and women working in the same jobs and producing the same results but with unequal pay. And even that isn't enough. Then we must consider relevant additional factors, and there are many. For example, employees with management potential may be paid more. If women are perceived to have less ability to handle positions of more responsibility, they could lose some ground here.

To see if women are considered equally capable and valuable in other ways (that is, excluding management potential) by the public itself -- not by employers -- readers were asked to fill out a questionnaire. The results (shown below) were amazing. There wasn't a single job for which the vast majority (say, 90%) of the readers answered that "it made no difference." And the only job for which even a simple majority (over 50%) of the readers actually preferred a woman was a babysitter, and that turned out to be the vast majority (about 90%). The runner-up (and still under 50%) was soothing angry customers -- handling complaints! So that's how we see it. Are we right or are we wrong? Are men and women equal or unequal?

If any unfair gap exists, litigation can help with situational inequities, but lawsuits make the stereotype worse, because they imply that women, as a group, need special help and are incapable of competing with men on their own. (For example, forced hiring and promoting has cast a cloud of doubt over all women.) On the other hand, if employers are not seriously biased -- and the pay differences are for good reasons -- I believe that forcing equality in pay is unfair to men.

In my judgment, women are capable of far more than they currently demonstrate, but to realize their full professional potential -- whatever that may be -- they would need to give up the home values they cherish, and I doubt that will happen. As I once wrote, "Money, power and fame are not most mothers' goals." Nor should they be.

Further proof that equality is not the goal of the feminism industry movement and that equality as sold is the mother of all rainbow farting unicorns.

In other news, men are more likely to hire young, single childless women over other equal (or less equal) job candidates.

And the vast, vast majority of women will still expect the man to pay for everything.

In completely unrelated news, the older men who run most companies like to surround themselves with young, single women.

interstitialofficial: Marilyn Vos Savant (clever person)already wrote about this:


That makes sense. I'm assuming her husband wrote it for her.

Does that mean I have to wear panties now?

hyperflame: And the vast, vast majority of women will still expect the man to pay for everything.

I never understood that sentiment among American women. The vast majority of them really do expect to have everything paid for by the male, even on a first date.

Most European women take offense to it and think you're trying to "buy" them to get in their pants. It's one of the greatest cultural disconnects I've witnessed between the US and Europe in terms of male/female relationships.

FTA: this reverse gender gap, as it's known, applies only to unmarried, childless women under 30 who live in cities. The rest of working women - even those of the same age, but who are married or don't live in a major metropolitan area - are still on the less scenic side of the wage divide.

Know why? Because hot young chicks have a huge advantage in almost every professional work sector. Hot chicks already have far too many natural advantages in life, higher pay shouldn't be one of them. There should be an state-enforced glass ceiling for hot chicks.

/yep, I said it

I demand equal rights and equal pay as a man!

/and stop making us dolts in your commercials, too

Aaaaaaand judging by this article, the butt plugs over at Time magazine will only finally be happy when women make MORE than men?

Why isn't equal pay good enough? First we had white guilt, and now we get man guilt? I am seriously thinking about burning my liberal card.

My how our country is spiraling down.

So the only fair thing for companies to do is bring the males up to the same pay regardless of performance or education, right?

I suppose there are worse places to be.

catpuncher: interstitialofficial: Marilyn Vos Savant (clever person)already wrote about this:


That makes sense. I'm assuming her husband wrote it for her.

Lol. Nice.

stickintehmud: I demand equal rights and equal pay as a man!

/and stop making us dolts in your commercials, too

You don't mean to say that reducing roles for men on television and film to insipid dolt, clueless weakling or godlike chiseled hero has limited plot lines, do you?

Who else are the women's characters - now available in savvy ruthless b*tch, insufferable, spoiled c*nt or ridiculously stupid victim - going to play off of?

Look, there's a whole lot of money being spent on selling people in these roles, who - should we reject them as boring, lame, inaccurate and insulting - will have to learn how to act. I mean actually act and then they'd have to hire writers who can write and directors who can direct!

And then there goes Jerry Bruckheimers Rolls. Do youse want Jerry to drive a sh*tty car? Do you?

Oh god could we stop with this bullshiat already? The "gender gap" only happens because of the different balance between career and family that men and women, on average, make. Women don't earn as much on average because they tend to stop working for a while to have children, which impacts their careers. But when women follow identical career tracks as men do, they make the same money.

Big business likes to hire single, childless women because they have no life outside of work, and can be married to their job. They also prefer married men with children, because their obligations can be hung over their heads like the Sword of Damocles.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Most European women take offense to it and think you're trying to "buy" them to get in their pants. It's one of the greatest cultural disconnects I've witnessed between the US and Europe in terms of male/female relationships.

LOL. You haven't dated any non-imaginary European women, have you?

Foxxinnia: Women make 80% what men make? Wow, I'm surprised no company has ever employed only women. They would save a lot of money that way.

Quite the contrary. Without any men in the office, how would anything get accomplished?

FirstNationalBastard: Stinkyy: Aaaaaaand judging by this article, the butt plugs over at Time magazine will only finally be happy when women make MORE than men?

Why isn't equal pay good enough? First we had white guilt, and now we get man guilt? I am seriously thinking about burning my liberal card.

In my lifetime, there has never been a point in which it hasn't been a bad thing to be a white man.

Now, don't get me wrong... white men still have all the advantages. However, they have to be made to feel guilt for being white men.


erm why should I feel guilty, wtf have i ever done?

uncoveror: Big business likes to hire single, childless women because they have no life outside of work, and can be married to their job. They also prefer married men with children, because their obligations can be hung over their heads like the Sword of Damocles.

The real issue is than Gen Y men are bigger dolts than Gen Y women.

brawberrys: FirstNationalBastard: Stinkyy: Aaaaaaand judging by this article, the butt plugs over at Time magazine will only finally be happy when women make MORE than men?

Why isn't equal pay good enough? First we had white guilt, and now we get man guilt? I am seriously thinking about burning my liberal card.

In my lifetime, there has never been a point in which it hasn't been a bad thing to be a white man.

Now, don't get me wrong... white men still have all the advantages. However, they have to be made to feel guilt for being white men.


erm why should I feel guilty, wtf have i ever done?

You've oppressed generations of women, minorities, and gays. Didn't you know?

brawberrys: erm why should I feel guilty, wtf have i ever done?

You shouldn't. But liberals like the idiots at Time want you to feel guilty so they can take what you have and give it to the people they think are too stupid to achieve anything on their own -- namely non-whites and women.

Phaid: brawberrys: erm why should I feel guilty, wtf have i ever done?

You shouldn't. But liberals like the idiots at Time want you to feel guilty so they can take what you have and give it to the people they think are too stupid to achieve anything on their own -- namely non-whites and women.

1/10.

Too obvious.

06Lion: You've oppressed generations of women, minorities, and gays. Didn't you know?

*checks dayrunner*

:- /

Are you sure?

Cause it says here I was working my ass off in a waning industry and making just enough to cover my ass and damn near every woman I know was making more than me.

*checks again* :- \

Given the study is for young women only, this is not surprising. I sadly know quite a few men who hire and give 'bonuses' to the hotties they hire straight out of university.

Oblig GIS (new window - NSFW)

Phaid: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Most European women take offense to it and think you're trying to "buy" them to get in their pants. It's one of the greatest cultural disconnects I've witnessed between the US and Europe in terms of male/female relationships.

LOL. You haven't dated any non-imaginary European women, have you?

Sorry your Russian mail order bride didn't work out :(

06Lion: brawberrys: FirstNationalBastard: Stinkyy: Aaaaaaand judging by this article, the butt plugs over at Time magazine will only finally be happy when women make MORE than men?

Why isn't equal pay good enough? First we had white guilt, and now we get man guilt? I am seriously thinking about burning my liberal card.

In my lifetime, there has never been a point in which it hasn't been a bad thing to be a white man.

Now, don't get me wrong... white men still have all the advantages. However, they have to be made to feel guilt for being white men.


erm why should I feel guilty, wtf have i ever done?

You've oppressed generations of women, minorities, and gays. Didn't you know?

oh shiat did I? Couldnt be that that people have a stereotypical and unfair view of straight white males.... surely you should say rich white straight males... their oppressive bastards!

I love reading the article and then reading the comments here, always tells me who read the article or not.

/hint, young, childless, unmarried women are more likely to be college-educated, which means better pay
//if young men want to be paid the same, they better put down the video games get their asses into a classroom every once in a while

FirstNationalBastard: bunner: 06Lion: You've oppressed generations of women, minorities, and gays. Didn't you know?

*checks dayrunner*

:- /

Are you sure?

Cause it says here I was working my ass off in a waning industry and making just enough to cover my ass and damn near every woman I know was making more than me.

*checks again* :- \

Guilt by association.

White men have, traditionally, had all the power, so we're all evil oppressors who should feel guilty for what happened in the past.

SO START FEELING GUILTY, WHITEY!

I can fit you in between job hunting, cooking and cleaning and hoping to hell I can get my brakes fixed, soon.

And the IRS thing I'm dealing with.

Do I get time off for being related to black people, some of whom are women? That's gotta score some ofay points.

*scribbles in dayrunner*

unfarkingbelievable: Does that mean I have to wear panties now?

Preferably not, but if you could keep it trimmed down there we'd all appreciate it.

stickintehmud:
/and stop making us dolts in your commercials, too

THIS!

I am so sick of men being morons in commercials. It's like they decided that they needed a moron in every commercial, and then realized what a backlash they'd have if it was anyone other than a white male. It's ridiculous!

Oerath: stickintehmud:
/and stop making us dolts in your commercials, too

THIS!

I am so sick of men being morons in commercials. It's like they decided that they needed a moron in every commercial, and then realized what a backlash they'd have if it was anyone other than a white male. It's ridiculous!

It's almost as if nickel for six schadenfreude, having somebody to feel superior to or smirk at and pseudo-political programming agendas were the only way to sell things or engage an audience.