Where I live, the fast food places are staffed mostly by temporary workers brought over from either India or the Philippines.

I'm seeing that, yeah.

*sigh*

*moving to a new job market with hopes*

CraicBaby: Where I live, the fast food places are staffed mostly by temporary workers brought over from either India or the Philippines.

Aren't you glad we have migrant workers willing to do the jobs American citizens don't want.

How about more Mothers staying home and raising their kids and so we get rid of the punk kid problem and then more families that are NO income right now can have one income because dad can find a job?

Does everyone REALLY need 2 incomes and a nanny to raise the kids?

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: How about more Mothers staying home and raising their kids and so we get rid of the punk kid problem and then more families that are NO income right now can have one income because dad can find a job?

Does everyone REALLY need 2 incomes and a nanny to raise the kids?

A nanny? No. Two incomes, yeah I can see that.

Every time I hear "jobs Americans won't do" I think what the fark happened to all the teenagers?

Then I remember the term 'precious little snowflake'.

Go back and watch 'Fast times at Ridgemont high' again. Everyone in high school had a job except the loser stoner Spicoli. Those jobs are all being done now by an immigrant or some out of work 50 year old middle management suck up.

/Way to go Hamilton!

If "curly" means "having curls," and if "swirly" means "having swirls," then what the hell are "surls?"

I think there will always be a job market for 18 to 24 year olds who are willing to work under the table.

I was in Applebees the other day I saw a guy who was a operations Manager at the place I used to work at. Now he is just a server lol. I made sure I was playing the part of a prick customer and gave him a hard time just for the hell of it. I am sure he recognized me but he pretended not to. It was nice to put him in his place.

hej: attention span of a retarded fruit fly: How about more Mothers staying home and raising their kids and so we get rid of the punk kid problem and then more families that are NO income right now can have one income because dad can find a job?

Does everyone REALLY need 2 incomes and a nanny to raise the kids?

A nanny? No. Two incomes, yeah I can see that.

This.

genner: CraicBaby: Where I live, the fast food places are staffed mostly by temporary workers brought over from either India or the Philippines.

Aren't you glad we have migrant workers willing to do the jobs American citizens don't want.

I live in Canada, dude.

theredsea1: I think there will always be a job market for 18 to 24 year olds who are willing to work under the table.

Yea girls.

[i see what you did there]

CraicBaby: I live in Canada, dude eh.

FTFY.

Oakmter: I was in Applebees the other day I saw a guy who was a operations Manager at the place I used to work at. Now he is just a server lol. I made sure I was playing the part of a prick customer and gave him a hard time just for the hell of it. I am sure he recognized me but he pretended not to. It was nice to put him in his place.


I hope you enjoy your "personally seasoned" meals at Applebees.

My chicken nuggets taste better when served by some entitled baby boomer.

At about 1,100$ a month, it really helps that I live with my girl and she makes another 800$ or so. We can still afford to eat and feed the dogs too, but good lord we would be dead if we had a kid to feed and doctor.
Soon you all shall join me in low wage hell...

genner: Aren't you glad we have migrant workers willing to do the jobs American citizens don't want.

Truth is there are more jobs than people looking. The problem is most people would rather be jobless than picking fruit, picking up trash, serving fast food, working overnight shifts, etc. etc. Unemployment benefits also hamper in this respect.

Then you have the jobs that require actual skills and knowledge... complete void in this space. Lots of us work in companies than can't find anyone qualified to fill open positions.


The problem with the economy isn't the "lack of jobs", that's a gross generalization and inaccurate. The problem is that the jobs don't match the job seekers.

The unfortunate part of this is that most of the unemployed don't seem to be going back to school and gaining new skills or settling, so this isn't going to change anytime soon. Believe it or not, having 30 teamsters monitor 1 machine in a factory isn't going to "come back" after the recession. Those stupid jobs are gone forever. People have yet to realize that.

I hate when people say there are "no jobs"... there are plenty of jobs. Just none that fit the people most impacted and laid off.

It may be a subtle difference, but worth noting. Lots of companies are still short labor.

Pro tip: If you can, re-educate in your time off, even if learning on your own and improve your skill set. It's likely the best move you can make. Mindless jobs are a dying breed in the US thanks to cheap overseas labor.

The problem is the wage-slave mentality in this country that has somehow caused everyone to believe they have to "get a job" provided by someone else. Self-employment isn't for everyone, but a whole lot of the currently-unemployed could be out there creating their OWN jobs instead of defaulting on their mortgage and going hungry because they're convinced the only way to earn a living is by becoming a cog in the machine.

/self-employed for 30 years

Came for Duff Gardens reference, leaving happy. Thanks Dwedit

damageddude: I did have a surly adult serving me at McDonalds a few weeks ago. He looked to be about 50, very disciplined and incredibly over qualified to be ringing up customers at the register. His every move showed how much he believed the job was beneath him. You could just see the look on his face that said "After 25 years how the hell did I end up here?" It was a heart breaking reminder of how this economy has destroyed the working middle class, then I reminded him I wanted ranch dressing and not blue cheese with my chicken mcnuggets, after I chastised him for giving a boy's toy for my 5 year old daughter's happy meal and walked away.

/seriously, it was pretty sad -- I really did feel bad for the guy

If you don't chastise them how are they ever going to learn?

Well fark, I think this managed to miss the point.

16-24 involves a lot of people who are on their own. 52.4% "not employed" in that bracket is probably a very bad number to be hearing even if large slices are still in high school, at college, or living with their parents. Quite large slices aren't, as well. It says 18.3% unemployment, so the real number is probably somewhere in the middle. That's a bloody lot of insolvent young adults.

Well, actually, Janine is Senior Drive-thru Manager so you are on her turf

CraicBaby: Where I live, the fast food places are staffed mostly by temporary workers brought over from either India or the Philippines. MEXICO

Oakmter: I was in Applebees the other day I saw a guy who was a operations Manager at the place I used to work at. Now he is just a server lol. I made sure I was playing the part of a prick customer and gave him a hard time just for the hell of it. I am sure he recognized me but he pretended not to. It was nice to put him in his place.

I hope you enjoyed the extra helping of saliva you probably got in your food.

Seriously, never f#ck with the people that serve your food.

soundguy: The problem is the wage-slave mentality in this country that has somehow caused everyone to believe they have to "get a job" provided by someone else. Self-employment isn't for everyone, but a whole lot of the currently-unemployed could be out there creating their OWN jobs instead of defaulting on their mortgage and going hungry because they're convinced the only way to earn a living is by becoming a cog in the machine.

/self-employed for 30 years

This is very true.

But it's also true that the destruction of the credit market means that you can't get a loan for shiat and most of the people who could have no idea what to make their business in, or the principles behind it, or what to do to make that business work. Owning a business is a lot of hard work for little pay that many people won't do because their need for money is immediate.

I agree with you, but I also know that you need capital for a business, and most methods for that capital--loans and jobs--are the things biggest hit by this recession/depression.

DIGITALgimpus: The problem is that the jobs don't match the job seekers.

This, but not in the way you're thinking. You say that there are a lot of people who won't lower themselves for jobs. What I see is a lot of jobs that are too harsh in their requirements and want someone who will immediately do the job instead of taking a chance and training someone.

A lot of jobs take the idea that you will never, EVER have to train someone. This is bullshiat. This is the HR equivalent of asking for far too much to whittle down fair prices for labor and to prevent anybody from training and making an investment in their workers. Not to mention a lot of jobs have to do training anyway.

Furthermore, a lot of jobs assume a lot: ten years in Windows 7 experience? We could solve a lot of problems if businesses started having sensible job requirements instead of outrageous ones designed to fark over anybody pay-wise. The problem here isn't workers; the problem here is that businesses want a cheap labor force that doesn't care if you abuse them or not. And a lot of people realize this and then the American Dream falls apart. Nothing destroys capitalism like businesses that want a slave labor force.

DIGITALgimpus: genner: Aren't you glad we have migrant workers willing to do the jobs American citizens don't want.

Truth is there are more jobs than people looking. The problem is most people would rather be jobless than picking fruit, picking up trash, serving fast food, working overnight shifts, etc. etc. Unemployment benefits also hamper in this respect.

Then you have the jobs that require actual skills and knowledge... complete void in this space. Lots of us work in companies than can't find anyone qualified to fill open positions.


The problem with the economy isn't the "lack of jobs", that's a gross generalization and inaccurate. The problem is that the jobs don't match the job seekers.

The unfortunate part of this is that most of the unemployed don't seem to be going back to school and gaining new skills or settling, so this isn't going to change anytime soon. Believe it or not, having 30 teamsters monitor 1 machine in a factory isn't going to "come back" after the recession. Those stupid jobs are gone forever. People have yet to realize that.

I hate when people say there are "no jobs"... there are plenty of jobs. Just none that fit the people most impacted and laid off.

It may be a subtle difference, but worth noting. Lots of companies are still short labor.

Pro tip: If you can, re-educate in your time off, even if learning on your own and improve your skill set. It's likely the best move you can make. Mindless jobs are a dying breed in the US thanks to cheap overseas labor.

Sorry DIG, it may be different in your region, but I'm unemployed and I've applied for jobs throughout the spectrum including "McJobs" and I've found:

1.THe "menial" jobs don't want to hire someone "overqualified" because they know they're going to bolt the second they can gey a better position with income more in keeping with the job they lost. I've applied fast food/retail none will give me a callback for an interview.
2.It's not that companies are having a hard time finding qualified individuals, it's that they've raised the qualifications bar because they know they're are desperate people who have a decade or more experience in their field they can pick up on the cheap. This also overides the whole "re-education" strategy. Why would they wan't a fresh graduate from tech school when they can get a master mechanic for the same money.

Maybe the adult fast food workers will be able to get my order right.

genner: CraicBaby: Where I live, the fast food places are staffed mostly by temporary workers brought over from either India or the Philippines.

Aren't you glad we have migrant workers willing to do the jobs American citizens don't want.

came here to ask the same thing.

/self employed
//not even getting calls for work

Brantley Foster: No! No exceptions! I want this job, I need it, I can do it. Everywhere I've been today there's always been something wrong, too young, too old, too short, too tall. Whatever the exception is, I can fix it. I can be older, I can be taller, I can be anything.

Mrs. Meacham: Can you be a minority woman?



/don't forget about the government hiring regs too

Dud Defect: Why would they wan't a fresh graduate from tech school when they can get a master mechanic for the same money.

Reason #47 why I am not trying to go back to tech when I have a shot at management.

/but I'll do what I have to
//for now

Guntram Shatterhand: soundguy: The problem is the wage-slave mentality in this country that has somehow caused everyone to believe they have to "get a job" provided by someone else. Self-employment isn't for everyone, but a whole lot of the currently-unemployed could be out there creating their OWN jobs instead of defaulting on their mortgage and going hungry because they're convinced the only way to earn a living is by becoming a cog in the machine.

/self-employed for 30 years

This is very true.

But it's also true that the destruction of the credit market means that you can't get a loan for shiat and most of the people who could have no idea what to make their business in, or the principles behind it, or what to do to make that business work. Owning a business is a lot of hard work for little pay that many people won't do because their need for money is immediate.

I agree with you, but I also know that you need capital for a business, and most methods for that capital--loans and jobs--are the things biggest hit by this recession/depression.



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You absolutely do NOT need significant amounts of capital to start your own business. Why does everyone think that self-employment = Brick & Mortar + inventory + employees? Does no one understand the concept of "services"? The guys hanging around on the sidewalk at Home Depot certainly do.

In 30 years, I have never once needed a loan because I mainly provide services and I buy tools & supplies with PROFITS, not borrowed money. Start small and enjoy gradual, no-risk growth.

When I was a high schooler I was self-employed... I did pet-sitting, house-sitting, worked off the books at a vet's clinic cleaning the office and kennels at night, slaved in old people's gardens and cleaned houses. None of it counted towards the official "employment" status... I didn't even learn what taxes WERE until I had my first "real" job. Still, I bet a lot of the jobs I did as a kid are being handled by 40 and 50 yr-olds now too. I know my 56-yr old step-mom is earning her way as a dog-walker and my 61-yr old dad is still slaving as a gardener/custodian for our local school-district. Neither of them talk about retirement, not because they wouldn't want to, but I think because they can't AFFORD to.

And for the jackass who wants moms to stay home with kids and not work to pay for the "nanny"... I have a 58K professional job and my hubby has a 50K professional job(during a good year- he's still hourly). We require both our salaries to pay for mortgage, my student loans (stupid masters!),taxes, keeping our cars on the road, saving for retirement and the various other bills two people have (here's a hint - we had to cancel our cable since we couldn't afford that anymore. I'm not talking luxuries here).

We're expecting our first child in February, and I have NO idea how we're going to afford child-care... but we have to since neither of us can afford to quit our jobs. "Mom staying at home" was a wonderful idea back in the 50's when a man really COULD bring home the bacon, or for a family with more than three kids not yet in school since at that pt. for most families the salary-to-child care ratio is a wash. It DOES NOT work for most middle-class families anymore, not if you ever want to see a day where you don't HAVE to go to your 9-5.

Still... right now we're better off than our parents. God it sucks to say that because it shows how very badly off the baby-boomers ARE.

/Oh, and as someone who worked in a restaurant for a long time, and as the daughter of woman who is still bartending and waiting tables in her 60's... do NOT fark w/your servers!!

attention span of a retarded fruit fly: How about more Mothers staying home and raising their kids and so we get rid of the punk kid problem and then more families that are NO income right now can have one income because dad can find a job?

Does everyone REALLY need 2 incomes and a nanny to raise the kids?

Hmmm, while limiting jobs to males only probably would indeed make it easier for men of all ages to get a job, I tend to think suddenly slashing half the job output in the country would cause another massive recession, and some serious ripple-effect shockwaves.

Not to mention, if men are the sole breadwinners in a family, if Daddy is forced to work at fast-food restaurant, and is the only one bringing in money, the family is really going to be farked.

DigitalCoffee: don't forget about the government hiring regs too

The federal gov't up here was recently in hot water because most of the gov't jobs were limited to minorities. If you were white or didn't mention your race on your resume, you were automatically disqualified regardless of your other qualifications. Even the job descriptions would say "This position is limited to Aboriginals and other visible minority groups." They've since changed that after the press got wind of it.

felidstar:

And for the jackass who wants moms to stay home with kids and not work to pay for the "nanny"... I have a 58K professional job and my hubby has a 50K professional job(during a good year- he's still hourly). We require both our salaries to pay for mortgage, my student loans (stupid masters!),taxes, keeping our cars on the road, saving for retirement and the various other bills two people have (here's a hint - we had to cancel our cable since we couldn't afford that anymore. I'm not talking luxuries here).


So combined you guys are making over 100k and struggling that much? Man you folks need to get a solid money manager because it sounds like somewhere you went wrong and are burning way to much cash.

Then you complain that a kid is going to cost money and you don't know how you are going to afford it. Why did you have a kid if you knew it was going to be tough and probably wasn't a good idea?

/birth control is cheap or free
//use it

soundguy: You absolutely do NOT need significant amounts of capital to start your own business. Why does everyone think that self-employment = Brick & Mortar + inventory + employees? Does no one understand the concept of "services"? The guys hanging around on the sidewalk at Home Depot certainly do.

In 30 years, I have never once needed a loan because I mainly provide services and I buy tools & supplies with PROFITS, not borrowed money. Start small and enjoy gradual, no-risk growth.

You just explained why you need capital. How do you start without those tools and such that you require to do your 'business?' Honestly, I don't think you have a business as much as you're just an independent contractor. Which is good if it works for you, but that term is also used for companies to wildly underpay people for their services.

In short: your idea of 'business' is the same thing that is undercutting wages. It may work for you, but if everybody did what you're doing, all that would happen is that you would stop finding work or be forced to take lower wages when people undercut you. This is how the concept of 'business' tends to favor the rich and disenfranchise the poor. You just happen to be one of those poor that is happy with their lot without realizing what you could be making and how much your labor is really worth.

TheGhostofFarkPast: So combined you guys are making over 100k and struggling that much? Man you folks need to get a solid money manager because it sounds like somewhere you went wrong and are burning way to much cash.

I'd want to know their location first. In Michigan, 100k is more than enough to afford shelter and food. In other places like New York, it's like 50k here.

One other thing that's vitally important when pursuing self-employment and is actually an excellent idea for anyone - never EVER commit yourself to spending more than 25% of your current net income on housing. That way, you can take a 50%-60% hit in income (like a spouse losing a job) and still survive until things turn around.

The current recession was caused as much by people spending 50%-75% of their income on their mortgage as anything else. Stick to the 25% rule and live in a tar-paper shack when you have to. You'd be surprised at how much inspiration can be garnered from living in a dump for awhile.

Guntram Shatterhand: TheGhostofFarkPast: So combined you guys are making over 100k and struggling that much? Man you folks need to get a solid money manager because it sounds like somewhere you went wrong and are burning way to much cash.

I'd want to know their location first. In Michigan, 100k is more than enough to afford shelter and food. In other places like New York, it's like 50k here.

oh I know in a major city you can get chewed up on 100k. Hell I live in a major metro area, Dallas, and my sig other and I make right around that and we are doing pretty well.

Article misses the fact that Jose will wash your dishes and scrub your toilets, without complaint, for years while Little Ditto only stuck around for three months, constantly complained, did a half as job, and stole from you.