the federal government at its best...can't wait till they start running the Death Panels

WithinReason: the federal government at its best...can't wait till they start running the Death Panels


too late... they've killed the American spirit

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WithinReason: the federal government at its best...can't wait till they start running the Death Panels

Really? A (generally) cute story about a woman receiving a letter from a dear friend, and THAT's the best you can come up with?

The stuck in a mail sack, or slipped unnoticed under machinery explanations seem reasonable to me (I know I've found stuff I haven't seen in years at the bottom of old backpacks) and I'm willing to chalk this one to innocent human error.

/And if the U.S. government want to stick a mind-control probe up your arse. You bend over and say "God Bless America!"

WithinReason: the federal government at its best...can't wait till they start running the Death Panels

I know you're a troll, but this is ridiculous. They get literally millions if not billions of letters where they need to be on time and for about 40 cents, and you focus on one mistake. I guess you think private business never makes any mistakes ever. What world do you live in?

I gather that someone has set up a fake "Rapture email" service, with the idea of getting Rapture letters from idiots, modifying them a little bit, putting a fake name and address on them, then on a particular day, sending them randomly to those who created them.

Thus, that day, the idiots will get an email from someone they never heard of, full of lots of personal details, yet from a real street address where different people live. And, to spice things up, claiming that the letter writer and the recipient had, years before, a torrent sexual affair that they were both deeply ashamed of.

A gift that keeps on giving.

WithinReason: the federal government at its best...can't wait till they start running the Death Panels





I'm ready to go.

T-Luv: WithinReason: the federal government at its best...can't wait till they start running the Death Panels

I know you're a troll, but this is ridiculous. They get literally millions if not billions of letters where they need to be on time and for about 40 cents, and you focus on one mistake. I guess you think private business never makes any mistakes ever. What world do you live in?

I don't know if he's a troll, or if you are, but your facts are way, way wrong. It costs far more than that to send a letter. It's not like the stamps actually lead the USPS to break even.

Probably they should deunionize, and stop competing with UPS... anything UPS or others do well, the USPS needs to stop doing, such as packages.

I'd also be cool with reducing deliveries to once a week, and increase the price to a buck. Some things really need to be mailed, but only a few things.

Hell, since the USPS doesn't deliver to my door anymore, making me use one of those conglom boxes, they should stop banning other people from delivering letters to my door.

Eventually, the USPS can be shut down entirely. You would use a private courier, such as UPS, for letters. It would be unusual and expensive, compared with the wasteful practices of the USPS, and we'd mainly email eachother.

Only problem is that many duds would lose their extremely overpaid jobs. But cutting taxes accordingly (with cutting many other public sector jobs) would lead to far more jobs in the private sector than were lost.

Arcanum: It costs far more than that to send a letter.

Yeah, but the rich people like Bill Gates pay for the excess.

Ummmmm, did I read TFA wrong? I don't think this happened in the USA. Besides, it was a pretty sweet story.

I got an email from my boss two months after he died. It took me about 20 minutes to decide if I was going to open it. I mean, really.... what if it said, "It sucks here, don't drive home."

Maybe it was in the back of her mailbox the whole time?

RangerVet75: Ummmmm, did I read TFA wrong? I don't think this happened in the USA. Besides, it was a pretty sweet story.

Only if Dover, NH isn't in the US! LOL

And, everyone does know that taxpayers don't pay for the USPS, right? All the income is from stamps and whatnot. Just thought I'd point that out. ^_^

Hell, I thought Dover, like in them damn white cliffs those British farkers love so damn much.

T-Luv: Arcanum: It costs far more than that to send a letter.

Yeah, but the rich people like Bill Gates pay for the excess.

I know you're kidding around.

But Bill Gates is a terrible example of who pays for excess spending. He doesn't have a job. He's actually rich. He doesn't pay income tax.

The 'rich' that the dems and also a lot of republicans punish are not really like Gates. They are the dude who owns a pharmacy or a store. People making $250,000 a year, which is not very much when you think about employers. Sure, it's a lot when you think about things in jealousy terms, but our 'progressive' taxation system is actually pretty obviously designed to shield extremely wealthy aristocrats and make it very difficult to compete with them.

the real victim of all this is the dude who is trying to get a job, in a pool of millions others like him, because there just aren't enough jobs right now. Most of those jobs come from middle class level employers who aren't anything like Bill Gates, and really are crushed by taxation and regulation, relative to Gates.

Another point: a ton of our spending will be paid, with more than double interest, by our grandkids. This creates massive economic uncertainty. We are out of money and cannot sustain these practices and it is really hurting the 'little people'. And the big people, too. Except the millionares who don't pay income tax. Such people are 12:1 democrats, and for great reason. The NYT did an article a couple weeks ago about how much cheaper everything is for such democrats in an economy like this.

The last thing an aristocrat like John Kerry wants is to have his wealth relatively undercut by a bunch of other people who are just as wealthy. For the already rich types who aren't actually building and earning, but just eating off their interest rates, a very, very bad economy is actually a really, really good economy.

But we can dispense with the envy stuff and just get the government spending as little as it can to provide the services that can't be provided elsewhere. Postal service is provably something that the government isn't really needed for, so we should eliminate it.

Seifer_babe: RangerVet75: Ummmmm, did I read TFA wrong? I don't think this happened in the USA. Besides, it was a pretty sweet story.

Only if Dover, NH isn't in the US! LOL

And, everyone does know that taxpayers don't pay for the USPS, right? All the income is from stamps and whatnot. Just thought I'd point that out. ^_^


Taxpayers subsidizes the usps. For example - the usps owns the largest vehicle fleet in the world and yet pay zero $$$$ in vehicle registration fees and zero sss in emission tests.

/TMYK

I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Seifer_babe: RangerVet75: Ummmmm, did I read TFA wrong? I don't think this happened in the USA. Besides, it was a pretty sweet story.

Only if Dover, NH isn't in the US! LOL

And, everyone does know that taxpayers don't pay for the USPS, right? All the income is from stamps and whatnot. Just thought I'd point that out. ^_^


Taxpayers subsidizes the usps. For example - the usps owns the largest vehicle fleet in the world and yet pay zero $$$$ in vehicle registration fees and zero sss in emission tests.

/TMYK

No, they don't. The last year taxpayers subsidized the USPS was 1971

Taken from NALC.org

"Taxpayers covered 23.3% of postal costs in 1971. A subsidy of that level in 2007 would have been approximately $16.9 billion. But direct subsidies to the USPS were phased out between 1972 and 1982. Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage."

You can also find this info on the USPS website.

/has had this discussion before

Sorry, my comment should have said that they started phasing it out in 1971, not that the last year was 1971. LOL Last year was 1982

Since all I ever receive in my mailbox are catalogs, junk mail and bills, I say stop the US Postal Service, period.

Seifer_babe: I Am The Egg Matt Drudge Smears Upon His Body: Seifer_babe: RangerVet75: Ummmmm, did I read TFA wrong? I don't think this happened in the USA. Besides, it was a pretty sweet story.

Only if Dover, NH isn't in the US! LOL

And, everyone does know that taxpayers don't pay for the USPS, right? All the income is from stamps and whatnot. Just thought I'd point that out. ^_^


Taxpayers subsidizes the usps. For example - the usps owns the largest vehicle fleet in the world and yet pay zero $$$$ in vehicle registration fees and zero sss in emission tests.

/TMYK

No, they don't. The last year taxpayers subsidized the USPS was 1971

Taken from NALC.org

"Taxpayers covered 23.3% of postal costs in 1971. A subsidy of that level in 2007 would have been approximately $16.9 billion. But direct subsidies to the USPS were phased out between 1972 and 1982. Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage."

You can also find this info on the USPS website.

/has had this discussion before

Did you notice how you dismissed his absolutely true and valid point with something irrelevant?

Typical of internet 'debaters' who have had this discussion before.

You probably didn't make any sense that time either, though. Except in your own head, since you simply dismiss every point that you don't like.

This happened to me actually. My brother-in-law's father passed away and about 2 weeks later, I got an email from him with the subject "Hello!" I was understandable shaken up and didn't open the email. Whenever I finally got up the nerve, I found out that it was from my mother, who had gone to the funeral and used the recently departed's computer without signing out of his account.

/in before "useless story, bro"
//still freaked out by it.

I get letters from myself all the time, but I'm only dead on the inside.

unyon: Arcanum: Taxpayers subsidizes the usps. For example - the usps owns the largest vehicle fleet in the world and yet pay zero $$$$ in vehicle registration fees and zero sss in emission tests.

/TMYK

No, they don't. The last year taxpayers subsidized the USPS was 1971

Did you notice how you dismissed his absolutely true and valid point with something irrelevant?

Typical of internet 'debaters' who have had this discussion before.

You probably didn't make any sense that time either, though. Except in your own head, since you simply dismiss every point that you don't like.

I have no dog in this fight, but you're being petty here. Are you saying it's relevant that they don't pay vehicle registration costs? You understand what you're saying, right?

You're saying that they must be government funded because they're a government entity that's not paying their fair share to the government.

Of course, if they were treated like a fully private entity as you suggest, then the taxpayer would also be on the hook for the administrative overhead costs of doing precisely what you demand- having one government agency pay another government agency for no other reason than optics.

Isn't it possible that mitigating the overhead requirements of the world's largest vehicle fleet is a pragmatic decision designed to save money? And this is something that, in between rants about rampant government spending, you have a problem with

I waded in because I honestly don't understand a) the petty demolition-derby political attacks you guys wage with one another, and b) people's inability to be pragmatic when it violates their dogmatic worldview.

I'm just a militant moderate, though.

Welcome to Fark

And "What do you expect, it's Fark."

/Who will look after these foolish children...

Don't worry lady, you'll be able to talk to her again soon enough.

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Packersfan823: On the case:

came for SH2 reference. left satisfied.