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2010-09-04 05:26:37 AM
It's easier to declare victory when you move the goalposts where they are needed.
 
2010-09-04 05:29:32 AM
Phil Herup: Only Democrats tolerate corruption Subby.
Wow, only two posts and the DERP sets in. Most impressive.
 
2010-09-04 05:35:24 AM
I see the dealer of absolutes has already arrived.
 
2010-09-04 05:36:09 AM
log_jammin: I see the dealer of absolutes has already arrived.

Phil Herup is a Sith?
 
2010-09-04 05:39:36 AM
*shrug* In practice, you either tolerate a fair bit of corruption or you write off... well, pretty much most if not all of the globe.

In a place as thoroughly corrupt as Afghanistan, to openly be completely intolerant of corruption means you're basically declaring war on vast numbers of people in authority from the top down to individual policeman and other minor functionaries. So it's more practical to tolerate some, at least openly... and perhaps take more circuitous or unofficial actions to deal with those whom you can't openly challenge.
 
2010-09-04 05:43:33 AM
Amnestic: Phil Herup is a Sith?

The dark lord of the Derp.
 
2010-09-04 05:43:53 AM
Taliban or corruption?

I suppose one has to pick the

img814.imageshack.us
 
2010-09-04 05:46:44 AM
That's pretty much the same reason we openly cooperated with leaders associated with war crimes during their civil war of course, and also discouraged investigation of a suspected mass murder of Taliban prisoners by an Afghan warlord who happened to be working with the US. Looking the other way isn't exactly new.
 
2010-09-04 05:52:39 AM
kurtfstone.typepad.com
 
2010-09-04 06:01:40 AM
Barack Hussein Obama. MAN IN CHARGE.
 
2010-09-04 06:02:08 AM
Phil Herup: Only Democrats tolerate corruption Subby.

[Rumsfeld_Shaking_Hands_With_Saddam.jpg]
 
2010-09-04 06:12:35 AM
Politics on the main page is like tracking dog poo into the living room.
 
BKK
2010-09-04 06:18:39 AM
Petraeus said earlier this week,"...That enabled us enormously."

Opium is made into heroin. Basic substance abuse counseling states,"All addicts need an enabler."

As a combat vet, who supports the troops and not the rest of the machine, I ask," What are we doing? "
 
2010-09-04 06:23:41 AM
Corruption is fairly common in the world, if you write off dealing with corrupt places you write off pretty much everywhere.

Hell, our contracts for ships going to the Ukraine specifically charge extra for money to bribe Ukranian port officials.. And i've handed over a briefcase of cash to Colombian port agents.
 
2010-09-04 06:34:32 AM
No Nicholas Cage "Lord of War" end-speech yet? I am disappoint...
 
2010-09-04 06:36:10 AM
neveryetmelted.com
/hot like a laundered $ bill
 
2010-09-04 06:43:53 AM
MessyDwarf: Phil Herup: Only Democrats tolerate corruption Subby.
Wow, only two posts and the DERP sets in. Most impressive.


Democrat Education Renewal Process?

Shiat....let's keep the trolling going.
 
2010-09-04 06:51:05 AM
Another revised Afghan policy: the US will tolerate "some" corruption. Just like taxpayers do with our Congress

In fact, we'll tolerate a shiatload of corruption. The U.S. has a long history of supporting petty tyrants. Anyone who seriously believes our goal in Afghanistan is to spread freedom and democracy is a hopeless retard (or a teabagger). We're going to stay in Afghanistan until we are either forcibly ejected from it (aka Saigon) or the contractors involved choke to death on rolls of cash, whichever comes first.
 
2010-09-04 06:53:47 AM
good to know we're repeating the same mistakes the Soviets made
 
2010-09-04 07:01:52 AM
i served two years in afghanistan and am in the first part of one year in iraq. i will say that 'corruption' has been a way of life in both places for a long long time. it is actually a way of life in many parts of the world. i wish it could be stamped out but to expect it to be eliminated is unrealistic. the goal should be to work towards its elimination.

greed is a powerful motivator/corruptor for those with power.

also served in costa rica and belgium overseas and have seen it there with either police or car inspectors. same with car inspection/emissions inspection in virginia and maryland. didn't see it in florida but i don't think we had to have them inspected there.
 
2010-09-04 07:17:21 AM
Nakito: Politics on the main page is like tracking dog poo into the living room.

I disagree. I think that politics on fark was more intelligent when EVERYTHING was main page.

/but my memory may be faulty
 
2010-09-04 07:31:29 AM
Another example of Illinois politics.
 
2010-09-04 07:46:45 AM
ghare: I disagree. I think that politics on fark was more intelligent when EVERYTHING was main page.

/but my memory may be faulty


It was more intelligent, but that's not the reason it was more intelligent.
 
2010-09-04 07:49:44 AM
log_jammin: ghare: I disagree. I think that politics on fark was more intelligent when EVERYTHING was main page.

/but my memory may be faulty

It was more intelligent, but that's not the reason it was more intelligent.


Putting it on the main page turns it into a name calling contest.
 
2010-09-04 07:58:27 AM
So the police are hopelessly corrupt?
Sounds just like the good ole US of A.
Here or there: What kind of person seeks out a job that absolutely requires them to use violence to force others into submission? The standard psyc profile is violent control freak. This why every police organization is rotten to the corps.
 
2010-09-04 08:02:53 AM
I would expect nothing less from the Fartbama administration.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2010-09-04 08:13:30 AM
Subby, for every blatant disregard of reality I'm going to stab you in the face. I've stopped keeping track so I'll just go with the number of words in your headline.

Right now we're at 17. But I'm adding two for the use of a colon, and I'm rounding up to 20.
 
2010-09-04 08:19:44 AM
antitrust fund baby 2010-09-04 07:58:27 AM
So the police are hopelessly corrupt?
Sounds just like the good ole US of A.
Here or there: What kind of person seeks out a job that absolutely requires them to use violence to force others into submission? The standard psyc profile is violent control freak. This why every police organization is rotten to the corps


Citation needed. Every cop that i've come across has been awesome. I've been stopped 4 times for being intoxicated in public while a minor and let off the hook. Multiple traffic stops and all warnings. And 2 house parties that minors were at drinking and let off with warnings. If you just show them respect when you see them they tend to let you go as they dont want extra paperwork.
/No, i dont have tits
//or vajayjay
 
2010-09-04 08:36:37 AM
Gdalescrboz

So, you've been caught red-handed comitting crimes - often crimes that threaten the lives of others and you've been let off scott free every time. I'll just point to your own post as a citation.

Just because you benifit from it doesn't mean it's not corruption.
 
2010-09-04 08:38:13 AM
Phil Herup: Indis: [Rumsfeld_Shaking_Hands_With_Saddam.jpg]



How is that "corruption" ?


Farking words.... what do they mean?


Well considering how evil he was it tarnished Hussein's integrity to be seen cooperating with him.
 
F42
2010-09-04 08:41:26 AM
Karzai Aide in Corruption Inquiry Is Tied to C.I.A. - NYTimes.com
25 Aug 2010 ... Officials say an aide to the president of Afghanistan being investigated for corruption is being paid by the CIA.
www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/world/asia/26kabul.html

[...]


Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 3, 2010; 8:31 PM
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - U.S. military commanders in Afghanistan are developing a strategy that would tolerate some corruption in the country


Cause and effect.
 
2010-09-04 08:43:53 AM
antitrust fund baby: Gdalescrboz

So, you've been caught red-handed comitting crimes - often crimes that threaten the lives of others and you've been let off scott free every time. I'll just point to your own post as a citation.

Just because you benifit from it doesn't mean it's not corruption.


Yep.
 
2010-09-04 08:44:14 AM
robomonkster: Phil Herup: Indis: [Rumsfeld_Shaking_Hands_With_Saddam.jpg]



How is that "corruption" ?


Farking words.... what do they mean?

Well considering how evil he was it tarnished Hussein's integrity to be seen cooperating with him.


i20.photobucket.com
 
2010-09-04 08:51:07 AM
"Congress is the opposite of progress"
--- Mark Twain
 
2010-09-04 08:58:06 AM
lilplatinum: Corruption is fairly common in the world, if you write off dealing with corrupt places you write off pretty much everywhere.

That works both ways. Civilized nations write corrupt nations off if there's too much bullshiat to deal with.
 
2010-09-04 09:12:05 AM
www.aceshowbiz.com

"Personally, I blame MTV."
 
2010-09-04 09:26:38 AM
Wait a minute... We're going to tolerate corruption there? What does Hamid Karzai, the brother of an opium warlord think of all this?
 
2010-09-04 10:00:14 AM
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
 
2010-09-04 10:19:18 AM
Successful Troll: Barack Hussein Obama. MAN IN CHARGE.

Too late. "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" already did this shtick.
 
2010-09-04 10:37:22 AM
jso2897: Successful Troll: Barack Hussein Obama. MAN IN CHARGE.

Too late. "The Guy Who Is Trolling You Right Now" already did this shtick.


Successful Troll is unsuccessful
 
2010-09-04 10:47:41 AM
Ya know, I'm no Obama fan. Never was.

But when I pull up one of these sites and see Obama's War it really bothers me.

He may be our president now, but when this particular war started, the man was a state senator.

Please to be calling a spade a spade.

It may not be Bush's war now, either, but he was the original owner.

Maybe it is America's war & problem?
 
2010-09-04 11:18:15 AM
Gulper Eel: lilplatinum: Corruption is fairly common in the world, if you write off dealing with corrupt places you write off pretty much everywhere.

That works both ways. Civilized nations write corrupt nations off if there's too much bullshiat to deal with.


Which is the problem here. It's not that the Afghan government is corrupt, it's that they're not very good at it--as evidence, witness it showing up in the Washington Post.

What is going to doom our war effort isn't the Afghan government's corruption, but their incompetence.
 
2010-09-04 11:18:44 AM
Coconice: Please to be calling a spade a spade.

www.nonsensenews.net

Sees what you did there.
 
2010-09-04 11:27:09 AM
southasia.oneworld.net


"Corruption" is one thing.

An out and out illegitimate government clinging on to power through blatant election fraud is something else entirely.

A huge portion of Afghans know damn well the elections were stolen, and see the current internationally recognized government for the fraud that it is, and will NEVER get behind it.

And THAT is the primary reason why our efforts in Afghanistan are doomed.


You would think that we would have learned not to prop up massively illegitimate, corrupt and unpopular governments by now considering the disasters and decades long blow back in Vietnam and Iran.

I wonder how many millions or billions of American taxpayer dollars are ending up in the hand of the Taliban via grafts and payoffs?

I wonder what they are going to do with that money.

It's really damn hard to be optimistic about our efforts in Afghanistan when We have to pay the enemy to not attack our supply lines.


www.teslasociety.com


Unlike our last president, Obama is nobody's fool. The guy HAS to know that every dollar spent in that hellhole is a dollar (+ interest payments) wasted, and that every American solder killed or maimed there is a life wasted.

I'm guessing he's letting this travesty continue because pulling out now is a political impossibility. Maybe the American public will be emotionally capable of seeing truth in another ten or 15 years, but not now.

Despite Obama's blood-drenched pragmatism on the matter, I wonder if all that wasted money and lives haunt him at night when he's trying to get to sleep.

I sure hope so.
 
2010-09-04 11:44:57 AM
Riche:

Despite Obama's blood-drenched pragmatism on the matter, I wonder if all that wasted money and lives haunt him at night when he's trying to get to sleep.


He's an Illinois politician; I'm sure they don't.

/living in IL going on 40 years now
 
2010-09-04 11:47:11 AM
We tolerated Karzai rigging the election. We'll tolerate anything until we're convinced we've had revenge on the Taliban.

/Cut a deal and bring the troops home.
 
2010-09-04 12:59:44 PM
NOW our troops have officially died for nothing.
 
2010-09-04 01:54:54 PM
This is a brilliant idea, I mean it's not like corrupt politicians would accept bribes from terrorist organizations!
 
2010-09-04 02:26:29 PM
lilplatinum: Corruption is fairly common in the world, if you write off dealing with corrupt places you write off pretty much everywhere.

I'd take it a step further and say that every form of government and every economic system is primarily a tool for managing corruption.
 
2010-09-04 02:32:12 PM
Phil Herup: Indis: [Rumsfeld_Shaking_Hands_With_Saddam.jpg]



How is that "corruption" ?


Farking words.... what do they mean?


My bad - Saddam was an angel at that time. His dictatorship became corrupt right after that handshake.
 
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