That's not what the article says.

Well I am sure there is a large at-risk population in prison

AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

Well, seeing how they prevented AIDS by chopping off dicks and cementing coonts shut...

Hurray for Sharia law! Uzbekistan is 90% muslim, what do you expect?

More like for illegally supplying drugs. Asserting good intentions doesn't change the legality of actions.

I told them not to close the pool, but noooooo.

Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild". Did you have to practice at being that stupid?

wademh: More like for illegally supplying drugs. Asserting good intentions doesn't change the legality of actions.

no, but a law stating that you can does... methadone clinics are legal according to TFA

g4lt: Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild".

Which, AIDS-epidemic-mitigation or not, is apparently still illegal.

Lifeless: g4lt: Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild".

Which, AIDS-epidemic-mitigation or not, is apparently still illegal.

FTFA: "Substitution treatment programmes and the use of methadone and buprenorphine, drugs prescribed by Dr. Podolyan for his patients, are legal in Ukraine and are included in the National Programme for HIV Prevention, Treatment, Care and Support for 2009-2013, approved by law in February 2009."

If, in the future, I must come up with an alias, Dr Maxim Popov is now at the top of the list.

tyrajam: Hurray for Sharia law! Uzbekistan is 90% muslim, what do you expect?

I always thought Ukraine wasn't Uzbekistan, weird.

Well, if your intention is to use AIDS as a way of "culling the herd" of heroin addicts in your country, naturally you don't want any meddlesome methadone merchants getting in the way.

tyrajam: Hurray for Sharia law! Uzbekistan is 90% muslim, what do you expect?

You clearly have absolutely no idea how Uzbek government works. Since you're a barely literate troll, I'll give you the Wiki link (new window) to look over.

g4lt: Lifeless: g4lt: Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild".

Which, AIDS-epidemic-mitigation or not, is apparently still illegal.

FTFA: "Substitution treatment programmes and the use of methadone and buprenorphine, drugs prescribed by Dr. Podolyan for his patients, are legal in Ukraine and are included in the National Programme for HIV Prevention, Treatment, Care and Support for 2009-2013, approved by law in February 2009."

And nothing in the obviously-biased report states anything about whether he was arrested for doing his job (however it does strongly imply that) or for trafficking drugs via his job.

It does state that those who perform the therapy are harrassed and jailed, but then again, those who perform the therapy are also in a prime position to traffic these drugs illegally.

Fark social conservatives wherever they may be found. They all deserve to DIAF.

Drug Wars

Lifeless: g4lt: Lifeless: g4lt: Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild".

Which, AIDS-epidemic-mitigation or not, is apparently still illegal.

FTFA: "Substitution treatment programmes and the use of methadone and buprenorphine, drugs prescribed by Dr. Podolyan for his patients, are legal in Ukraine and are included in the National Programme for HIV Prevention, Treatment, Care and Support for 2009-2013, approved by law in February 2009."

And nothing in the obviously-biased report states anything about whether he was arrested for doing his job (however it does strongly imply that) or for trafficking drugs via his job.

It does state that those who perform the therapy are harrassed and jailed, but then again, those who perform the therapy are also in a prime position to traffic these drugs illegally.


can you move the goalposts a bit to the right the next time you move them, I'm getting an awful glare off them?

g4lt: Lifeless: g4lt: Lifeless: g4lt: Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild".

Which, AIDS-epidemic-mitigation or not, is apparently still illegal.

FTFA: "Substitution treatment programmes and the use of methadone and buprenorphine, drugs prescribed by Dr. Podolyan for his patients, are legal in Ukraine and are included in the National Programme for HIV Prevention, Treatment, Care and Support for 2009-2013, approved by law in February 2009."

And nothing in the obviously-biased report states anything about whether he was arrested for doing his job (however it does strongly imply that) or for trafficking drugs via his job.

It does state that those who perform the therapy are harrassed and jailed, but then again, those who perform the therapy are also in a prime position to traffic these drugs illegally.


can you move the goalposts a bit to the right the next time you move them, I'm getting an awful glare off them?

Tell me, when you first read The Cat in the Hat, did you believe it word-for-word as well? Or are officious, pseudo-scientific articles your forte?

Lifeless: g4lt: Lifeless: g4lt: Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild".

Which, AIDS-epidemic-mitigation or not, is apparently still illegal.

FTFA: "Substitution treatment programmes and the use of methadone and buprenorphine, drugs prescribed by Dr. Podolyan for his patients, are legal in Ukraine and are included in the National Programme for HIV Prevention, Treatment, Care and Support for 2009-2013, approved by law in February 2009."

And nothing in the obviously-biased report states anything about whether he was arrested for doing his job (however it does strongly imply that) or for trafficking drugs via his job.

It does state that those who perform the therapy are harrassed and jailed, but then again, those who perform the therapy are also in a prime position to traffic these drugs illegally.

Just shut up and have a seat you little twat.

damn I'm so tired of having to say this;

get em' all on an island including those that may have been exposed, but not yet tested. Provide enough food and water for the rest of their natural immuno-suppressed lives and be done with it.

Or special tattoos , but not on the arm because that's been done. Maybe on the junk.

^_^

Sexy Republican Girl: Just shut up and have a seat you little twat.

Butthurt troll has a hurt butt...

"crimes relating to drugs trafficking"

How about a list of the charges then?

Mouser: Well, if your intention is to use AIDS as a way of "culling the herd" of heroin addicts in your country, naturally you don't want any meddlesome methadone merchants getting in the way.

That's all and nice until the druggies start having sex with the non-druggies.

Lifeless: g4lt: Lifeless: g4lt: Lifeless: g4lt: Lexx: AIDS prevention specialists are being imprisoned for...running methodone clinics.

Bit of a difference there.

...which according to TFA is used as an AIDS epidemic mitigation, as it reduces the number of intravenous drug users "in the wild".

Which, AIDS-epidemic-mitigation or not, is apparently still illegal.

FTFA: "Substitution treatment programmes and the use of methadone and buprenorphine, drugs prescribed by Dr. Podolyan for his patients, are legal in Ukraine and are included in the National Programme for HIV Prevention, Treatment, Care and Support for 2009-2013, approved by law in February 2009."

And nothing in the obviously-biased report states anything about whether he was arrested for doing his job (however it does strongly imply that) or for trafficking drugs via his job.

It does state that those who perform the therapy are harrassed and jailed, but then again, those who perform the therapy are also in a prime position to traffic these drugs illegally.


can you move the goalposts a bit to the right the next time you move them, I'm getting an awful glare off them?

Tell me, when you first read The Cat in the Hat, did you believe it word-for-word as well? Or are officious, pseudo-scientific articles your forte?

Actually, since I was 3, and my parents were reading it to me, I very likely DID believe in Cat in the Hat. However, that was more than 40 years ago, and since then I've learned both reading comprehension and fact discernment. Pity you haven't as well. While TFA mentions the methadone clinic, the actual charge he was arrested on was for distribution of a pamphlet describing safe sex acts. I was correcting the wharrgarbl about "oh noes, it was drugz" by pointing out that part was legal, when you implied that he was actually drug running in addition to the legal methadone clinic. Nice attempt to confuse the issue, but WRONG. Please, do us all a favor and just crawl back into the hole you came from, this is a Serious Issue, and your wharrgarbl is not needed.

12349876: Mouser: Well, if your intention is to use AIDS as a way of "culling the herd" of heroin addicts in your country, naturally you don't want any meddlesome methadone merchants getting in the way.

That's all and nice until the druggies start having sex with the non-druggies.

Wow, I'm dyslexic today.

/nice and all

12349876: Mouser: Well, if your intention is to use AIDS as a way of "culling the herd" of heroin addicts in your country, naturally you don't want any meddlesome methadone merchants getting in the way.

That's all and nice until the druggies start having sex with the non-druggies.

Hey, if someone's dumb enough to fark a heroin addict, they belong on the list too.

From reading this article (new window) it looks like he was charged because his license was issued for a different address.

Short version: he's in what the police see as the drug business and didn't pay his protection money.

Mouser: 12349876: Mouser: Well, if your intention is to use AIDS as a way of "culling the herd" of heroin addicts in your country, naturally you don't want any meddlesome methadone merchants getting in the way.

That's all and nice until the druggies start having sex with the non-druggies.

Hey, if someone's dumb enough to fark a heroin addict, they belong on the list too.

What about rape?

/this is fark, i gotta say rape twice

Lifeless: traffic

which is precisely what the article said he was being detained for.

paygun: From reading this article (new window) it looks like he was charged because his license was issued for a different address.

Short version: he's in what the police see as the drug business and didn't pay his protection money.

Okay, can't get the players straight without a scorecard. in my last ant, I somehow conflated Podolyan with Popov. However, it doesn;t change the fact that Podolyan was charged with doing something that is legal in his case

This is like a meth dealer defending himself for giving people a bit of happiness that they choose to buy.

TFA seems to use "Uzbekistan" and "Ukraine" interchangeably. Anyone know which country this actually took place in?

Sorry, didn't read the article thoroughly. It says the drugs he used were legal, so is this a paperwork issue?

bifford: This is like a meth dealer defending himself for giving people a bit of happiness that they choose to buy.

Only if meth is legal. He was LEGALLY prescribing drugs to wean addicts off heroin and on to methadone

bifford: This is like a meth dealer defending himself for giving people a bit of happiness that they choose to buy.

Meth dealer and methadone dealer are not the same thing.

The_EliteOne: damn I'm so tired of having to say this;

get em' all on an island including those that may have been exposed, but not yet tested. Provide enough food and water for the rest of their natural immuno-suppressed lives and be done with it.

Or special tattoos , but not on the arm because that's been done. Maybe on the junk.

^_^

Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+. If you think segregation is the answer, then why not move your own ass to that island, and let the poz people have the mainland.

T.rex:
Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+.

Why is HIV special in this sense?
There are restrictions based on other diseases.

I think most of the people who would suggest differential treatment of HIV positive people have more than a healthcare agenda and therefore I would be greatly suspicious of any such suggestions but I also don't think it's right to completely ignore that some people carry a highly dangerous infection.

Verrai: TFA seems to use "Uzbekistan" and "Ukraine" interchangeably. Anyone know which country this actually took place in?

A guy named Maxim Popov was arrested in Uzbekistan, which is mentioned at the top. Most of the article is about Ilya Podolyan, who was arrested in Ukraine.

/wants an excuse to say 'the Gogols do nothing'

wademh: T.rex:
Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+.

Why is HIV special in this sense?
There are restrictions based on other diseases.

I think most of the people who would suggest differential treatment of HIV positive people have more than a healthcare agenda and therefore I would be greatly suspicious of any such suggestions but I also don't think it's right to completely ignore that some people carry a highly dangerous infection.


Yeah. I mean people with TB aren't allowed on planes, and don't get me wrong, it's rare random semen gets into your eyes, breast milk into your nose, or va-jay-jay juice gets into one's anus (All fluids that carry HIV, and areas that HIV can enter the bloodstream from) but the real risk comes from the people who don't know their status. I'd advocate a mandatory offer of testing every time a person gets a physical from their primary health care physician.

wademh: T.rex:
Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+.

Why is HIV special in this sense?
There are restrictions based on other diseases.

I think most of the people who would suggest differential treatment of HIV positive people have more than a healthcare agenda and therefore I would be greatly suspicious of any such suggestions but I also don't think it's right to completely ignore that some people carry a highly dangerous infection.

You are not in danger of acquiring HIV, unless you, yourself engaged in the same behavior as what the HIV+ person did. Thus, what right would you have to judge or discriminate against them for.... They have no effect on your life unless you were guilty of the same infractions that led to their own acquistion of hiv.

Got news for you... There are HIV+ people all around you, everyday, everywhere, and you will never know, and its none of your business, anyway. They are just as healthy and happy as you, and can live long fulfilling lives...

Um... I don't understand why this guy was arrested since the article says it is legal...

T.rex: The_EliteOne: damn I'm so tired of having to say this;

get em' all on an island including those that may have been exposed, but not yet tested. Provide enough food and water for the rest of their natural immuno-suppressed lives and be done with it.

Or special tattoos , but not on the arm because that's been done. Maybe on the junk.

^_^

Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+. If you think segregation is the answer, then why not move your own ass to that island, and let the poz people have the mainland.

Good job, you got a bite! :)

The_EliteOne: wademh: T.rex:
Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+.

Why is HIV special in this sense?
There are restrictions based on other diseases.

I think most of the people who would suggest differential treatment of HIV positive people have more than a healthcare agenda and therefore I would be greatly suspicious of any such suggestions but I also don't think it's right to completely ignore that some people carry a highly dangerous infection.


Yeah. I mean people with TB aren't allowed on planes, and don't get me wrong, it's rare random semen gets into your eyes, breast milk into your nose, or va-jay-jay juice gets into one's anus (All fluids that carry HIV, and areas that HIV can enter the bloodstream from) but the real risk comes from the people who don't know their status. I'd advocate a mandatory offer of testing every time a person gets a physical from their primary health care physician.

You might recall that there were tests to see who might have the flu last season and flight restrictions based on thermal imagining.

Do you know why there are blood tests before getting a marriage licence? Do you know you need a TB test to immigrate to the US?

I don't think singling out HIV makes any sense, either for special restrictions or for special non-restricted status.

TorqueToad: T.rex: The_EliteOne: damn I'm so tired of having to say this;

get em' all on an island including those that may have been exposed, but not yet tested. Provide enough food and water for the rest of their natural immuno-suppressed lives and be done with it.

Or special tattoos , but not on the arm because that's been done. Maybe on the junk.

^_^

Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+. If you think segregation is the answer, then why not move your own ass to that island, and let the poz people have the mainland.

Good job, you got a bite! :)

It's my unfortunate birthrite (80s S.D.W. baby, you put 2&2 together) to troll every and any HIV/AIDS thread on FARK. I do it to see how people come back to my trolls to better prepare myself to deal with the real IRL AIDS trolls. Especially the Denialists. Ugh.

The_EliteOne: wademh: T.rex:
Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+.

Why is HIV special in this sense?
There are restrictions based on other diseases.

I think most of the people who would suggest differential treatment of HIV positive people have more than a healthcare agenda and therefore I would be greatly suspicious of any such suggestions but I also don't think it's right to completely ignore that some people carry a highly dangerous infection.


Yeah. I mean people with TB aren't allowed on planes, and don't get me wrong, it's rare random semen gets into your eyes, breast milk into your nose, or va-jay-jay juice gets into one's anus (All fluids that carry HIV, and areas that HIV can enter the bloodstream from) but the real risk comes from the people who don't know their status. I'd advocate a mandatory offer of testing every time a person gets a physical from their primary health care physician.

Okay... as long as we're clear that the reason you think HIV+ people should go move to a remote island is because you have a constant fear of getting semen in your eyes, and drinking infected breast milk.

The 'real risk' is not those who don't know their status. To imply that is shirking your own responsibility to use protection. Every person has the right and ability to use a condom regardless of whether or not their partner is unaware they are infected.

wademh: I don't think singling out HIV makes any sense, either for special restrictions or for special non-restricted status.

So you don't think people should know if they have to protect themselves from their partners before they engage in unsafe sexual relations? Someone could simply lie and say they are clean, like you said, you can't just tell by looking at anyone that they have AIDS.

/Oh please ignore my post above this one when responding to this one, kthx ;)

T.rex: The_EliteOne: wademh: T.rex:
Then stop saying it... Its idiotic, and clearly trollish.
You, being (presumabley) HIV- have no more of a right to live a free live than someone who is HIV+.

Why is HIV special in this sense?
There are restrictions based on other diseases.

I think most of the people who would suggest differential treatment of HIV positive people have more than a healthcare agenda and therefore I would be greatly suspicious of any such suggestions but I also don't think it's right to completely ignore that some people carry a highly dangerous infection.


Yeah. I mean people with TB aren't allowed on planes, and don't get me wrong, it's rare random semen gets into your eyes, breast milk into your nose, or va-jay-jay juice gets into one's anus (All fluids that carry HIV, and areas that HIV can enter the bloodstream from) but the real risk comes from the people who don't know their status. I'd advocate a mandatory offer of testing every time a person gets a physical from their primary health care physician.

Okay... as long as we're clear that the reason you think HIV+ people should go move to a remote island is because you have a constant fear of getting semen in your eyes, and drinking infected breast milk.

The 'real risk' is not those who don't know their status. To imply that is shirking your own responsibility to use protection. Every person has the right and ability to use a condom regardless of whether or not their partner is unaware they are infected.

I think we already have a segregated population of HIV+ people - in prison.