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(Chicago Sun-Times) Followup Two girls testify why the arsonist who burned their house down and left them unable to enter the sun and forced to wear plastic masks all day should go to jail. They even drew pictures of themselves with crayons. I have something in my eye now   (suntimes.com) divider line 253
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2010-09-03 11:06:31 AM
I'm feeling very stabby right now after reading that.
If that happened to my kids I would have to show those responsible the backwoods of Maine.

//Maine has more unincorporated territory than any other state east of the Mississippi.
///Almost like Nevada, just with trees
 
2010-09-03 11:14:16 AM
"Make them go to jail until they have no more birthdays," .

I have better ideas, but, still, to read that from a 5 yr old is just....wow.
 
2010-09-03 11:20:15 AM
I'll never understand the feud of two women fighting over one man.

Do they really think the man is worth it if he seriously lets two women fight over him like that? Odds are he plays on the emotions of both women.

If the roles where reversed though, know what would happen? The two men might get into a psychical fight, but that would be the end of that.

They wouldn't go around setting shiat on fire anymore then they might normally.
 
2010-09-03 11:23:20 AM
Two words:

Wood chipper.
 
2010-09-03 11:24:54 AM
Am I wrong for picturing Michael Jackson's kids wearing the masks?
 
2010-09-03 11:33:48 AM
Elvis_Bogart: Two words:

Wood chipper.


Revenge gets your spirit all icky.

Just shoot her. Quick, clean, move on.
 
2010-09-03 11:39:50 AM
One of the people who wrote a "character letter" on Gonzalez's behalf is her half-brother, Heriberto Viramontes. In April, he was charged with fracturing the skulls of two women with a baseball bat as they walked home in Bucktown. One of the women, Natasha McShane, was left in a coma and hospitalized for months.

Some strains of DNA should just be cut off for good.
 
2010-09-03 11:48:50 AM
Let's start having no more birthdays like, now.
Ever see a severly burned kid? I have, and luckily he's still alive. It's not nice.
 
2010-09-03 12:11:37 PM
Let the punishment fit the crime.
 
2010-09-03 12:11:47 PM
Elvis_Bogart: Two words:

Wood chipper.


Or, better yet, strap her into a large Cuisinart set to "frappe."
 
2010-09-03 12:18:46 PM
tnpir: Elvis_Bogart: Two words:

Wood chipper.

Or, better yet, strap her into a large Cuisinart set to "frappe."


They don't make Cuisinarts big enough. They'll have to put her into it piece by piece.
 
2010-09-03 12:49:08 PM
I'm anti-Death Penalty because of the way it fails to work in this country... it's expensive and wastes a lot of people's time.

On the other hand, this shiat head should be burned alive.
 
2010-09-03 01:13:01 PM
Elvis_Bogart: Two words:

Wood chipper.


Set that thing to "slow". Like, slow enough that it takes 5 years to kill them.

netizencain: I'm anti-Death Penalty because of the way it fails to work in this country... it's expensive and wastes a lot of people's time.

On the other hand, this shiat head should be burned alive.


Agreed
 
2010-09-03 01:15:40 PM
RussianPooper: One of the people who wrote a "character letter" on Gonzalez's behalf is her half-brother, Heriberto Viramontes. In April, he was charged with fracturing the skulls of two women with a baseball bat as they walked home in Bucktown. One of the women, Natasha McShane, was left in a coma and hospitalized for months.

Some strains of DNA should just be cut off for good.


What lawyer in their right mind would let a letter from this "character" witness be admitted into court?

Just to be safe, I'd include RNA to make sure these shiatstain viral examples of life are cut off from the breeding pool.
 
2010-09-03 01:24:17 PM
I'm not trying to argue against the punishment for the two offenders, and I'm certainly no student of U.S. jurisprudence, so I've got to ask these questions to seek clarification:

1. Are these statements by the children an appeal to emotion?
2. If so, does it have a place in how juries should sentence?

If anyone has answers, I'd love to hear them.
 
2010-09-03 01:37:19 PM
cretinbob: Ever see a severly burned kid? I have, and luckily he's still alive. It's not nice.

I've seen several severely burned people, including a kid, in the burn unit at Bridgeport Hospital in CT. I'm not even going to try to describe the horror.

One night, after debriedment of a particularly badly burned patient's wounds, one of the best nurses I have ever known came out, stared just past my left ear, and whispered, "I wish she would die."
 
2010-09-03 01:38:56 PM
Oh wonderful, this is going Green and Fark will have its ITG/revenge fantasy thread for the weekend.
 
2010-09-03 01:40:44 PM
Counter_Intelligent: I'm not trying to argue against the punishment for the two offenders, and I'm certainly no student of U.S. jurisprudence, so I've got to ask these questions to seek clarification:

1. Are these statements by the children an appeal to emotion?
2. If so, does it have a place in how juries should sentence?

If anyone has answers, I'd love to hear them.


Victim impact statements are for sentencing, not juries.
 
2010-09-03 01:43:51 PM
Quasar: Victim impact statements are for sentencing, not juries.

Thanks for the clarification.
 
2010-09-03 01:46:23 PM
Counter_Intelligent: I'm not trying to argue against the punishment for the two offenders, and I'm certainly no student of U.S. jurisprudence, so I've got to ask these questions to seek clarification:

1. Are these statements by the children an appeal to emotion?
2. If so, does it have a place in how juries should sentence?

If anyone has answers, I'd love to hear them.


Juries don't sentence, that's the judge's job. After they render their verdict, a jury can recommend what they think is an appropriate sentence to the judge, but the judge makes the final decision.

What the girls did is called a victim impact statement. It allows a victim of crime the opportunity to speak during the sentencing of their attacker or at subsequent parole hearings.
 
2010-09-03 02:43:41 PM
2wolves: Elvis_Bogart: Two words:

Wood chipper.

Revenge gets your spirit all icky.

Just shoot her. Quick, clean, move on.


"Why a spoon, cousin? Why not an axe?"
"Because it's DULL, you twit. It'll hurt more."
 
2010-09-03 03:37:58 PM
I don't understand the death penalty stuff for this woman. Are we supposed to base judgements on the age of the victims? What's the age when it's death penalty time for maiming someone and when does it transition to life in prison? Why should a sentence be harsher for one person over another?
 
2010-09-03 03:55:33 PM
tnpir: Elvis_Bogart: Two words:

Wood chipper.

Or, better yet, strap her into a large Cuisinart set to "frappe."


You have an extra "f" and an extra "p" in that last word.
 
2010-09-03 03:55:47 PM
That one girl is pretty hot.
 
2010-09-03 03:56:35 PM
"Flaca"? She sounds fat.
 
2010-09-03 03:56:55 PM
Bunnyhat: I'll never understand the feud of two women fighting over one man.

Do they really think the man is worth it if he seriously lets two women fight over him like that? Odds are he plays on the emotions of both women.

If the roles where reversed though, know what would happen? The two men might get into a psychical fight, but that would be the end of that.

They wouldn't go around setting shiat on fire anymore then they might normally.


I was into a guy once who then started getting closer to his ex again. I held out for maybe a week to see if he was serious about falling for her again, then backed off. I still got crazy ass emails and IMs from his girlfriend-a-second-time-around (mind you, I knew her - she actually stayed with friends in my dorm room on a road trip half a year prior), the most memorable of which started, "I know you're not a biatch, but..." then went off into crazyland.

I was pissed off and hurt, but at him, really. I didn't want or need anything to do with her. Took awhile for that to sink in, though. Ugh. Women.

/woman
 
2010-09-03 03:57:54 PM
"enter the sun"? Subby, I don't know why they'd want to do that. The burns would be much, much worse.
 
2010-09-03 03:58:47 PM
media1.suntimes.com
She certainly has no future as an artist.
 
2010-09-03 03:59:10 PM
i cannot understand that headline. what is this?
 
2010-09-03 03:59:46 PM
StreetlightInTheGhetto: Bunnyhat: I'll never understand the feud of two women fighting over one man.

Do they really think the man is worth it if he seriously lets two women fight over him like that? Odds are he plays on the emotions of both women.

If the roles where reversed though, know what would happen? The two men might get into a psychical fight, but that would be the end of that.

They wouldn't go around setting shiat on fire anymore then they might normally.

I was into a guy once who then started getting closer to his ex again. I held out for maybe a week to see if he was serious about falling for her again, then backed off. I still got crazy ass emails and IMs from his girlfriend-a-second-time-around (mind you, I knew her - she actually stayed with friends in my dorm room on a road trip half a year prior), the most memorable of which started, "I know you're not a biatch, but..." then went off into crazyland.

I was pissed off and hurt, but at him, really. I didn't want or need anything to do with her. Took awhile for that to sink in, though. Ugh. Women.

/woman


This story would have been a lot cooler if it had gone into threesome territory. Especially if there was some post-coital scissoring action that resulted in paternal twins.
 
2010-09-03 04:00:30 PM
Marley: cretinbob: Ever see a severly burned kid? I have, and luckily he's still alive. It's not nice.

I've seen several severely burned people, including a kid, in the burn unit at Bridgeport Hospital in CT. I'm not even going to try to describe the horror.

One night, after debriedment of a particularly badly burned patient's wounds, one of the best nurses I have ever known came out, stared just past my left ear, and whispered, "I wish she would die."


fap?
 
2010-09-03 04:00:36 PM
netizencain: I'm anti-Death Penalty because of the way it fails to work in this country... it's expensive and wastes a lot of people's time.

On the other hand, this shiat head should be burned alive.


You know, I'm anti-death penalty for many reasons. And I don't necessarily think this person(s) should get it either.

But if we reserved it for cases where there is abso-effing-LUTELY no chance that a confession was coerced, that a witness might be mistaken, that evidence was forged...

...where unless someone went back in time and altered the past that bastard DEFINITELY committed the crime and a heinous one at that, particularly crimes that involve those who can't defend themselves...

I think I could be okay with that.
 
2010-09-03 04:00:41 PM
DIAF
 
2010-09-03 04:00:45 PM
Can we pretend they did this in Saudi Arabia? Just use gasoline and a match on them?

The Saudis are batshiat crazy but they do have a way with justice sometimes....
 
2010-09-03 04:00:48 PM
soup: i cannot understand that headline. what is this?

It's it.

/What is it?
 
2010-09-03 04:01:07 PM
One of the people who wrote a "character letter" on Gonzalez's behalf is her half-brother, Heriberto Viramontes. In April, he was charged with fracturing the skulls of two women with a baseball bat as they walked home in Bucktown. One of the women, Natasha McShane, was left in a coma and hospitalized for months.

Damn. Angry mob anyone?
 
2010-09-03 04:01:25 PM
2 girls, 1 testimony.
 
2010-09-03 04:02:14 PM
GAT_00: Are we supposed to base judgements on the age of the victims?

Yes.

GAT_00: Why should a sentence be harsher for one person over another?

Because if you burn a 5 year old they spend decades living with it. If you burn a 95 year old, they wouldn't spend as long. The actual consequences of harming a younger child are larger than someone older.

As for your death penalty stuff, I'm not sure I want to venture there. I don't see a need for the death penalty in any cases where there the victim doesn't die. But if a 5 year old was horribly tortured and killed versus a 55 year old, I'd be much quicker to want to execute them for the 5 year old, based on the reasoning above.
 
2010-09-03 04:03:08 PM
This offender likes fire. Time for some medieval justice for a medieval crime.
 
2010-09-03 04:03:55 PM
I picked a bad day to give up my eye-for-an-eye stance.
 
2010-09-03 04:04:04 PM
Panty Sniffer: She certainly has no future as an artist.

You sound like a pirate.
 
2010-09-03 04:04:05 PM
Goose4: "enter the sun"? Subby, I don't know why they'd want to do that. The burns would be much, much worse.

Came to say this..
/ "no more birthdays"? seriously, do you really think those kids wrote that?
 
2010-09-03 04:05:43 PM
Panty Sniffer: She certainly has no future as an artist.

Though her work does have the potential to appear on Maddox's website.
 
2010-09-03 04:07:18 PM
Gonzalez's lawyers say she flew into a jealous rage that escalated after months of threatening exchanges between the two women over men and never intended to harm the two girls.

Well guess what, the fire you started damn well farking did.


Farking oxygen thief... >_
 
2010-09-03 04:07:57 PM
lennavan: GAT_00: Are we supposed to base judgements on the age of the victims?

Yes.

GAT_00: Why should a sentence be harsher for one person over another?

Because if you burn a 5 year old they spend decades living with it. If you burn a 95 year old, they wouldn't spend as long. The actual consequences of harming a younger child are larger than someone older.

As for your death penalty stuff, I'm not sure I want to venture there. I don't see a need for the death penalty in any cases where there the victim doesn't die. But if a 5 year old was horribly tortured and killed versus a 55 year old, I'd be much quicker to want to execute them for the 5 year old, based on the reasoning above.


So if some sicko rapes some 5 year olds and keeps them locked up and tortures them, you don't think the death penalty would be deserving? There are MANY cases that should result in the death penalty, the problem is determining guilt as the Death Penalty is an absolute, there is no room for margin of error. I don't think the question should be whether or not to use the Death Penalty, just when the Death Penalty could be used. The evidence should have to be absolutely irrefutable.
 
2010-09-03 04:08:07 PM
GAT_00: I don't understand the death penalty stuff for this woman. Are we supposed to base judgements on the age of the victims? What's the age when it's death penalty time for maiming someone and when does it transition to life in prison? Why should a sentence be harsher for one person over another?

It's not the age, it's the fire.

Fire, as a show, is awesome. I'm a pyro. I've set fire to things in ways probably should've gotten me killed. I like seeing explosions and sparks and blazes.

Fire, as a weapon, is nasty. If you use fire on something that's alive, you're a sick, sick person. A sadist, a psychopath, a dangerous freak who needs to be shot for the sake of the world.
 
2010-09-03 04:08:39 PM
Biness: DIAF

Never has this been more appropriate.

Panty Sniffer: She certainly has no future as an artist.

Yeah, her hands being burnt to shiat probably hinders her artistic skills.

FTFA: One of the people who wrote a "character letter" on Gonzalez's behalf is her half-brother, Heriberto Viramontes. In April, he was charged with fracturing the skulls of two women with a baseball bat as they walked home in Bucktown. One of the women, Natasha McShane, was left in a coma and hospitalized for months.

In order to be a character witness, shouldn't you be required to have a character soul?

Also, read The Burn Journals. (new window) It is far less depressing than you'd think. It's actually pretty inspirational, and gives hope that there is life after such a horrific injury.
 
2010-09-03 04:08:42 PM
If I was already burned, I definitely would not try to enter the sun. In fact, I might put some thought into avoiding it regardless of my burn status.

/set the controls for the heart of the sun
 
2010-09-03 04:09:29 PM
lennavan: Because if you burn a 5 year old they spend decades living with it. If you burn a 95 year old, they wouldn't spend as long. The actual consequences of harming a younger child are larger than someone older.

So what's the age when you switch the levels of incarceration? 5 years old? 10? 20? When does it suddenly become not as bad to burn someone?
 
2010-09-03 04:11:15 PM
If you ever think that your life sucks, go visit a burn ward in any major hospital. I have a friend who got severely burned in a car wreck many years ago, mostly on his legs and torso, to the point where he was very close to losing his feet for a while. I don't remember the degrees or percentages or anything like that, but off hand I would say "Not as bad as many, but worse than most".

You show up for visitation, when they eventually allow it, and they've got you scrubbing your hands and arms under the watchful eye of a nurse, who isn't shy about telling you when you're doing a piss-poor job of it, then you're putting on this gown and feet covers and maybe a mask as well. You go in there and because it's your friend you're trying to be jovial and lift their spirits, while they're lying there in so much pain they're begging the nurses for more morphine, and dreading the next roll-over or bandage change with a fear you know that you will never be able to understand. It's selfish to think it, but really it's just a horrible experience for you: here's this person who a week ago was kicking your ass in basketball, now a wad of gauze and scars, and quite honestly it's all you can do to just make an appearance and find a reason why you have to leave.

Then as you're leaving with these horrible thoughts and images and guilt because you're leaving still in your head, you look to the left and there's a 5 year old girl, surrounded by her family, in even worse shape. You get out to the exterior waiting room and have to sit down, because for a few minutes you no longer have the will to do anything.
 
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