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		Washington hiker moves his handgun from a holster to his hip pocket to "see if it was more comfortable." It was not (sfgate.com)		74
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ZAZ

2010-09-02 08:13:47 AM

I already pack too much crap when I go hiking. I don't need the extra weight of a gun.

Barfmaker

2010-09-02 08:37:28 AM

You'll shoot your ass off!

Petit_Merdeux

2010-09-02 08:39:41 AM

ZAZ: I don't need the extra weight of a gun.

The bears can't digest them, so it's probably better that way.

Pfactor

2010-09-02 09:11:54 AM

FTFA "moved his .40-caliber handgun from its holster to his back pocket".

What did he expect to happen? The holster is there both to protect the inner workings of the gun from debris and to prevent something (a finger, keys, a pencil, pocket gnomes) from moving the trigger. Without that protection something obviously moved the trigger.

He's lucky he didn't shoot his femoral artery or he'd be dead right now.

UberDave

2010-09-02 09:39:43 AM

Petit_Merdeux: ZAZ: I don't need the extra weight of a gun.

The bears can't digest them, so it's probably better that way.

I'm certainly not against carrying in the national forests but I can understand not wanting to add the weight of something that has a .1% chance (probably less) of being used. And preparing ahead of time, knowing the area and season and being smart (in general) can avoid most bear confrontations.

The less weight, the better (of course, this is coming from someone who can over-stuff a 6500ci pack...I *can* pack light though).

AnthraxRipple

2010-09-02 10:20:08 AM

When I hike I use my outside-the-waistband holster which is the most comfortable way to carry a gun. This guy is a dumbass, and I'd bet $5 it was a Glock.

Bunnyhat

2010-09-02 10:24:55 AM

UberDave: Petit_Merdeux: ZAZ: I don't need the extra weight of a gun.

The bears can't digest them, so it's probably better that way.

I'm certainly not against carrying in the national forests but I can understand not wanting to add the weight of something that has a .1% chance (probably less) of being used. And preparing ahead of time, knowing the area and season and being smart (in general) can avoid most bear confrontations.

The less weight, the better (of course, this is coming from someone who can over-stuff a 6500ci pack...I *can* pack light though).

The odds may be low, but if you do end up at a point where you would need to use it, the situation is usually a bit more serious then most.

Walker

2010-09-02 10:31:29 AM

OW! MY ~~BALLS~~ BUTT!

OregonVet

2010-09-02 10:45:47 AM

What a asshot.

Calmamity

2010-09-02 10:46:21 AM

Bunnyhat: The odds may be low, but if you do end up at a point where you would need to use it, the situation is usually a bit more serious then most.

Yeah, and a .40 Glock wouldn't help you much.

That's a people killin' gun.

tukatz

2010-09-02 10:54:15 AM

Link (new window)

It's good to know someone reads my headlines.

Lampmonster

2010-09-02 10:54:32 AM

Did he claim a bunch of robbers came into the bar and end up on TV and then have to recant the story when the angry husband came back?

Obscure?

Bullroarer_Took

2010-09-02 10:55:14 AM

AnthraxRipple: When I hike I use my outside-the-waistband holster which is the most comfortable way to carry a gun. This guy is a dumbass, and I'd bet $5 it was a Glock.

I'm sure you're right. If you're going to carry a pistol with a trigger safety in your pocket for god's sake don't leave a round in the chamber.

ElPollotonto

2010-09-02 10:56:36 AM

What a coincidence from yesterday!

Link (new window)

/Pete, Repeat, blah

Ponzholio

2010-09-02 10:56:52 AM

In the buttocks.

HotWingConspiracy

2010-09-02 10:57:02 AM

Well that's not very gangsta

fjnorton

2010-09-02 10:58:12 AM

hehe he shot himself in the ass on Blewett Pass!

JohnCarter

2010-09-02 10:58:38 AM

If hiking / camping solo or just me and the young-un I do carry a pistol, but in the pack in an outside pocket. Have never needed it, nice to know it's there.

Not sure I would feel the need to stroll about packing, but then it would depend on where you are. If it's bears you are worried about I would think the bear strength pepper spray on your pack strap may be the best bet.

Handgun (less it's a Desert Eagle 50 cal) will only piss them off.

Lincey

2010-09-02 10:59:34 AM

This is why I don't keep a round chambered when I conceal/open carry.

/Full magazine? Yes. Round chambered? No sir
//Only chambered when doing drills/practice/fun shoot

Prank Call of Cthulhu

2010-09-02 11:00:24 AM

Protip: Keep your booger-hooks off the bang-button unless you plan to shoot it.

Bartleby the Scrivener

2010-09-02 11:01:46 AM

i don't need a gun when i hike. one time i stopped a bear dead in its tracks by singing the libretto from Fidelio. another time I distracted a rattlesnake with a slight-of-hand parlor trick i learned from hucksters on the atlantic city boardwalk.

Bermuda59

2010-09-02 11:03:32 AM

Stupid is as stupid does.

Nightjars

2010-09-02 11:03:49 AM

Black bears and brown bears usually aren't very aggressive.

Cougars can be, but they calm down after a good lay.

Molavian

2010-09-02 11:04:53 AM

Another day, another case of Glock-leg.

fireclown

2010-09-02 11:05:04 AM

Barfmaker: You'll shoot your ass off!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're done.

hitech_hick

2010-09-02 11:06:00 AM

JohnCarter: If hiking / camping solo or just me and the young-un I do carry a pistol, but in the pack in an outside pocket. Have never needed it, nice to know it's there.

Not sure I would feel the need to stroll about packing, but then it would depend on where you are. If it's bears you are worried about I would think the bear strength pepper spray on your pack strap may be the best bet.

Handgun (less it's a Desert Eagle 50 cal) will only piss them off.

A 10mm, while not as powerful as a .50 AE would still do quite a number on a bear, especially with the right load.

Tawnos

2010-09-02 11:06:17 AM

Lincey: This is why I don't keep a round chambered when I conceal/open carry.

/Full magazine? Yes. Round chambered? No sir
//Only chambered when doing drills/practice/fun shoot

That gun is as useful as a club when a dog runs up to you and you're trying to hold it off you with one arm and draw with the other. Don't be a dumbass, use a holster, but FFS, keep one in the chamber.

Jim_Callahan

2010-09-02 11:06:55 AM

ZAZ: I already pack too much crap when I go hiking. I don't need the extra weight of a gun.

If the weight of a handgun overloads you, you're way too close to your limit, and need to pack much lighter in general.

JohnCarter: If it's bears you are worried about I would think the bear strength pepper spray on your pack strap may be the best bet.

Since we're usually talking about the national park system, it's not bears one is likely worried about, but drug growing and running. You can't toss a rock in a random direction in many parks without hitting a cartel-affiliated pot farmer upside the head... and those guys tend to do things like abduct or shoot people occasionally.

//The more you know, and such.

//Even carrying the pistol in a holster with a trigger-guard, I generally don't have a round chambered. In any situation where your survival hinges on drawing and firing immediately you've already lost, so the potential for accidental discharge is the primary concern.

sweater_pups

2010-09-02 11:07:11 AM

ElPollotonto: What a coincidence from yesterday!

Link (new window)

/Pete, Repeat, blah

funnier headline yesterday, too!

//in before link goes TF only

mongbiohazard

2010-09-02 11:07:13 AM

Holy crap, did you read about that wound? The .40 cal round went in his ass cheek, down his leg and came to rest just above his knee. Holy fark! His leg is completely FARKED.

logruszed

2010-09-02 11:08:23 AM

Bunnyhat: UberDave: Petit_Merdeux: ZAZ: I don't need the extra weight of a gun.

The bears can't digest them, so it's probably better that way.

I'm certainly not against carrying in the national forests but I can understand not wanting to add the weight of something that has a .1% chance (probably less) of being used. And preparing ahead of time, knowing the area and season and being smart (in general) can avoid most bear confrontations.

The less weight, the better (of course, this is coming from someone who can over-stuff a 6500ci pack...I *can* pack light though).

The odds may be low, but if you do end up at a point where you would need to use it, the situation is usually a bit more serious then most.

If you're taking the time to aim a .40 at a bear you're meat. The noise might smook the animal, but a coin flip says it might agitate it.

Now if your concern is human assholes and looneys then a handgun is somewhat justifiable paranoia, but bears are not a reasonable excuse for a pistol (unless it's some crazy Thompson Center Fire monster you need a hand-truck to help you carry).

Molavian

2010-09-02 11:09:34 AM

hitech_hick: A 10mm, while not as powerful as a .50 AE would still do quite a number on a bear, especially with the right load.

A .40 with the right load is plenty for black bear. If we're talking grizzlies, I think I'd prefer a shotgun with slugs.

Tawnos: That gun is as useful as a club when a dog runs up to you and you're trying to hold it off you with one arm and draw with the other.

Why in the hell would I offer a dog my arm when I have two perfectly good legs with which to kick them?

rev. dave

2010-09-02 11:09:56 AM

A .40? I would prefer a snub nose s&w 500 if there are bears.

rockspin

2010-09-02 11:10:47 AM

'Tis but a flesh wound.

vengethis

2010-09-02 11:11:24 AM

/Approves

JohnBigBootay

2010-09-02 11:15:02 AM

Molavian: Why in the hell would I offer a dog my arm when I have two perfectly good legs with which to kick them?

You sound like wild dog food.

Lincey

2010-09-02 11:15:24 AM

Tawnos: Lincey: This is why I don't keep a round chambered when I conceal/open carry.

/Full magazine? Yes. Round chambered? No sir
//Only chambered when doing drills/practice/fun shoot

That gun is as useful as a club when a dog runs up to you and you're trying to hold it off you with one arm and draw with the other. Don't be a dumbass, use a holster, but FFS, keep one in the chamber.

Shiz takes two seconds tops to unholster and chamber a round. Its just a safety precaution that I choose to take. Don't be a dumbass, put that chicken wing down and lean forward.

Fish in a Barrel

2010-09-02 11:19:34 AM

If you have a good holster there's nothing wrong with carrying one in the chamber. If you actually need the gun you don't want to count on having the presence of mind, extra time and two available hands needed to chamber a round.

And carrying the gun in your pack is an even worse idea. If you have the time to pull off your pack, unzip a pocket, and pull out the gun, then you mostly likely don't even need the gun.

adamscr

2010-09-02 11:20:24 AM

Came here for the glock-leg, leaving satisfied.

Safeties, yes the best one is between your ears, but when you're like this idiot, one on the gun is a good idea too.

Noticeably F.A.T.

2010-09-02 11:21:32 AM

Lincey: This is why I don't keep a round chambered when I conceal/open carry.

/Full magazine? Yes. Round chambered? No sir
//Only chambered when doing drills/practice/fun shoot

All my guns were designed to have a round chambered, so I keep one in the chamber. Of course, they were also designed to be carried in a holster and not a farking pocket, so I do that too.

UberDave

2010-09-02 11:21:44 AM

Bunnyhat: The odds may be low, but if you do end up at a point where you would need to use it, the situation is usually a bit more serious then most.

My point was being smart can avoid most of those already rare situations. Don't cook near camp. Clean your fish 200 yards away and soap up afterward. Bag/canister your food and keep it away from camp. Carry a bear bell. Check for sign at common camp sites. Don't set up your tent in a forage area right before hibernation. Etc., etc.

I'm never really worried going into black-bear country but I'm still careful. Grizzly country is a different story and you want to check the ranger station before you head out to make sure there have not been any weird encounters in the area you are headed. And if there have been unprovoked, non-surprise encounters with an animal acting exceedingly territorial or aggressive, then yeah, take a gun along. I'm not saying it will not help but as others have suggested, you're more likely to do nothing more than *really* piss off the 500-1000+ pounds of animal charging down on you.

fireclown

2010-09-02 11:23:00 AM

adamscr: Came here for the glock-leg, leaving satisfied.

Safeties, yes the best one is between your ears, but when you're like this idiot, one on the gun is a good idea too.

glocks. When will people learn?

adamscr

2010-09-02 11:23:56 AM

Calmamity: Bunnyhat: The odds may be low, but if you do end up at a point where you would need to use it, the situation is usually a bit more serious then most.

Yeah, and a .40 Glock wouldn't help you much.

That's a people killin' gun.

To a point, a few years ago a hiker managed to stop a black bear that had him on the menu with a Kel-Tec PF11 (9mm) and a lot of luck.

A fellow in Alaska this year stopped a brown bear with a 45 Auto (and even more luck)

Jim_Callahan

2010-09-02 11:25:27 AM

JohnBigBootay: Molavian: Why in the hell would I offer a dog my arm when I have two perfectly good legs with which to kick them?

You sound like wild dog food.

Dogs, like bears, don't usually go after people, even hikers. Especially not solo dogs.

Even a pack of dogs won't bother you unless you're hiking alone. In which case you've already broken the most important rule of wilderness safety, don't hike alone, idiot.

//The exception is rabid critters, in which case i'd advise going for a tree instead of standing still and taking shots.

//This assessment applies to people. Solo animals including dogs will frequently go after your food, which is why you hang that shiat from a tree or set up a bear pole.

n0nthing

2010-09-02 11:27:12 AM

As many others have posted, shooting a bear with a .40 is a great way to really annoy it. That aside, I have no issue with carrying a handgun with a round chambered so long as it is done in a safe manner. Having a gun in a backpack with a round chambered defeats the entire purpose.

Also, no problem at all with people who like to carry without a round chambered -- if you don't feel safe doing it, then don't.

Bill_Wick's_Friend

2010-09-02 11:27:13 AM

Study after study shows that pepper spray is a better and safer deterrent against black bears. There are very few (if any) grizzlies in Washington state.

http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/facilities/mbsu/?Page=699

http://news.byu.edu/archive08-mar-bearspray.aspx

http://gf.state.wy.us/downloads/pdf/RegionalNews/dh-bear%20spray.pdf.

Americans like their guns, though, so those studies are usually ignored.

Noticeably F.A.T.

2010-09-02 11:28:07 AM

UberDave: My point was being smart can avoid most of those already rare situations.

Of course it can. Which is why I do all of the things you mentioned. But, I also carry a gun. I like having it with me, and I don't mind the weight.

I'm not saying it will not help but as others have suggested, you're more likely to do nothing more than *really* piss off the 500-1000+ pounds of animal charging down on you.

No, but it can't hurt to at least try. Also, there's other dangerous things in the woods besides grizzlies. The most dangerous being the two legged asshats hiding in the woods for whatever reason.

TheShavingofOccam123

2010-09-02 11:32:11 AM

AnthraxRipple: and I'd bet $5 it was a Glock.

I'm sure it was a Glock. That design has killed more idiots than the Baconator.

n0nthing

2010-09-02 11:32:37 AM

Oh nevermind, just re-read TFA. He shot himself in the ass when trying to put in the gun in his back pocket. lolz

clovis69

2010-09-02 11:32:56 AM

JohnCarter: Not sure I would feel the need to stroll about packing, but then it would depend on where you are. If it's bears you are worried about I would think the bear strength pepper spray on your pack strap may be the best bet.

Depends on the bear.

Black bear a .357 or larger will take care of them. Brown bear, I've been advised not to pack anything smaller than a .44 magnum in a pistol, but a .454 is a much better choice.

Me, I carry a Marlin 1894 with ported barrel in .44 mangum, but that's not a hand gun

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