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(Washington Post)   Obama: "We can either bring down the deficit or stimulate the economy; which is it?" Republicans: "No"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 444
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2010-09-01 08:21:00 AM
THIS went green?
 
2010-09-01 08:34:02 AM
How about stimulate the deficit? Bring down the economy? They seem OK with that.
 
2010-09-01 08:34:21 AM
Another $790 billion hot check should do the trick.
 
2010-09-01 08:35:53 AM
See, we don't have a problem with either of those goals, we have a problem with Obama using the word "we" when discussing it.

If he thinks for one red second that as Republicans we will accept any plan that has a chance of him getting to put a feather into his cap, he is sorely mistaken.

These things will happen ONLY after the American people realize the error of their ways and put a Republican back in the White House and give us back the Congress.

"We."

The man is hilarious.
 
2010-09-01 08:40:04 AM
unlikely: See, we don't have a problem with either of those goals, we have a problem with Obama using the word "we" when discussing it.

If he thinks for one red second that as Republicans we will accept any plan that has a chance of him getting to put a feather into his cap, he is sorely mistaken.

These things will happen ONLY after the American people realize the error of their ways and put a Republican back in the White House and give us back the Congress.

"We."

The man is hilarious.


And this pretty much sums up why today's republican party is completely farking useless.
 
2010-09-01 08:43:03 AM
Wait, did Gerson just admit that tax cuts for the 'well off' WON'T stimulate the economy? He better watch out or there's a RINO stamp coming his way!
 
2010-09-01 08:57:03 AM
Well WE still have Congress and even if this changes in November WE have the "lame duck" sessions to act.
 
2010-09-01 09:05:10 AM
unlikely: "We."

Who does he mean by "we"?
 
2010-09-01 09:08:42 AM
This is no surprise.
 
2010-09-01 09:16:43 AM
unlikely: See, we don't have a problem with either of those goals, we have a problem with Obama using the word "we" when discussing it.

If he thinks for one red second that as Republicans we will accept any plan that has a chance of him getting to put a feather into his cap, he is sorely mistaken.

These things will happen ONLY after the American people realize the error of their ways and put a Republican back in the White House and give us back the Congress.

"We."

The man is hilarious.


Also unlikely is any chance of the Republicans regaining power in the house or senate.
 
2010-09-01 09:16:53 AM
Every time I read these stories, it makes me hate this country just a little bit more.
 
2010-09-01 09:17:15 AM
Republicans don't give a shiat about the deficit, there is literally no value in even discussing it with them.

Boner wants those tax cuts, deficit be damned.

Also, protip: republicans WILL NOT reduce spending if elected
 
2010-09-01 09:18:32 AM
unlikely: If he thinks for one red second that as Republicans we will accept any plan that has a chance of him getting to put a feather into his cap, he is sorely mistaken.

Party before country. Very noble.
 
2010-09-01 09:19:55 AM
Well, technically, this is one nation, under God if you like, so "we" should be the proper pronoun used here. However, I understand that the Republicans and the Teabaggers have decided that a better one is "Us N Them", as in "Us Real Americans™ need to take this country back from Them."

So, President Obama is right, yet wrong, at the same time.
 
2010-09-01 09:20:01 AM
HotWingConspiracy: Republicans don't give a shiat about the deficit, there is literally no value in even discussing it with them.

Boner wants those tax cuts, deficit be damned.

Also, protip: republicans WILL NOT reduce spending if elected


They might slash a program or two, that sort of counts.

/If your method of cutting spending is to eliminate waste and inefficiencies, while cutting unnecessary extra funding for pet projects, you're doing it right. If your method of cutting spending is just to lance a program you don't like because it gives assistance to people, you're a creep.
 
2010-09-01 09:20:27 AM
This headline has nothing to do with the content of the article.
 
2010-09-01 09:20:51 AM
FTFA: This is a president who has lost control of his public message. It wanders unleashed from park to alley, stopping to sniff every cable news story along the way.

Pure poetry (and unfortunately, very true)
 
2010-09-01 09:21:38 AM
How can we move forward? Let's ask the one group that is opposed to anything and everything we suggest. When we alter bills to their liking, they still vote it down in lockstep. And they wonder why no one is listening to their ideas. Good luck in the elections, champs.
 
2010-09-01 09:21:48 AM
LasersHurt: They might slash a program or two, that sort of counts.

The Feds have no business watching volcanoes, that's for the states to do if they see fit!
 
2010-09-01 09:22:19 AM
Babwa Wawa: This headline has nothing to do with the content of the article.

Welcome to fark. Enjoy your stay.
 
2010-09-01 09:23:18 AM
BillCo: FTFA: This is a president who has lost control of his public message. It wanders unleashed from park to alley, stopping to sniff every cable news story along the way.

Pure poetry (and unfortunately, very true)


I think it's more about being drowned by a corporate-owned media. Frankly, they only run what makes them money - controversy, negativity, and fear. They wouldn't run the government's message because it's not a money-maker for them - who cares if the populace is optimistic, psh. Who cares that businesses are withholding jobs because they're pissy-pants afraid of the crap they read and watch on the news, let's keep 'em fearful.
 
2010-09-01 09:25:11 AM
Obama has no idea what to do?

I'm shocked.

Let's just throw another trillion at it I guess.
 
2010-09-01 09:25:29 AM
 
2010-09-01 09:25:33 AM
Babwa Wawa: This headline has nothing to do with the content of the article.

It's also better than the content of the article.
 
2010-09-01 09:26:27 AM
xtragrind: Obama has no idea what to do?

I'm shocked.

Let's just throw another trillion at it I guess.




Stop. Obama is using his extensive experience in Economics and Business to fix everything.

See...

www.westernjournalism.com
 
2010-09-01 09:26:30 AM
Cut Gov't spending. Reduce taxes (or keep current tax cuts in place). That is how you unleash the private sector which, currently, employs the majority of Americans.

I would hardly expect someone who is advised by Summers, Geithner, and Krugman, who got his training from Frank Marshall Davis and Ayers, and who's spiritual mentor is Wright to understand this.

Unfortunately that is who we elected and we must suck it up for at least 3 more months.
 
2010-09-01 09:27:20 AM
Digital_Meltdown: unlikely: See, we don't have a problem with either of those goals, we have a problem with Obama using the word "we" when discussing it.

If he thinks for one red second that as Republicans we will accept any plan that has a chance of him getting to put a feather into his cap, he is sorely mistaken.


These things will happen ONLY after the American people realize the error of their ways and put a Republican back in the White House and give us back the Congress.

"We."

The man is hilarious.

And this pretty much sums up why today's republican party is completely farking useless.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, and the other side is just as willing to let the Republicans do anything that would give them any credit.

// Doesn't trust either side.
// You're all a bunch of partisans hacks.
 
2010-09-01 09:28:14 AM
You mean, republican: NO. Save the constitution. 9/11. Anchor babies, terror babies, illegal immigrants.
 
2010-09-01 09:28:22 AM
Emposter: Babwa Wawa: This headline has nothing to do with the content of the article.

Welcome to fark. Enjoy your stay.


Indeed. To summarize TFA, on economic issues the Obama administration is lost, "wander[ing] unleashed from park to alley, stopping to sniff every cable news story along the way." They'd like to avoid the end of the Bush tax cuts, but only for some people, and getting that particular result is politically very difficult, and Obama doesn't have a clue how to get it done, which might leave him in the position of having the entire economy face a huge tax hit in the middle of whatever you want to call this current economic malaise.
 
2010-09-01 09:28:38 AM
earthwirm: Cut Gov't spending. Reduce taxes (or keep current tax cuts in place). That is how you unleash the private sector which, currently, employs the majority of Americans.

Why would that do anything?
 
2010-09-01 09:28:56 AM
Elvis_Bogart: THIS went green?

Republicans denying reality going green? Shocking!
 
2010-09-01 09:29:03 AM
unlikely: These things will happen ONLY after

Doesn't that seem like dumb timing for putting feathers in "the other guy's cap"?

Artfully done, though.
 
2010-09-01 09:29:39 AM
canyoneer: Obama: "We can either bring down the deficit or stimulate the economy; which is it?"

The logical fallacy of false dilemma (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy) involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are other options. Closely related are failing to consider a range of options and the tendency to think in extremes, called black-and-white thinking. Strictly speaking, the prefix "di" in "dilemma" means "two". When a list of more than two choices is offered, but there are other choices not mentioned, then the fallacy is called the fallacy of false choice, or the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses. False dilemma can arise intentionally, when fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice ("If you are not with us, you are against us.") But the fallacy can arise simply by accidental omission-possibly through a form of wishful thinking or ignorance-rather than by deliberate deception ("I thought we were friends, but all my friends were at my apartment last night and you weren't there.") (new window)


Then please explain to us how we can stimulate the economy while bringing down the deficit.

Show your work.

Oh, wait. There IS a way, but you're not going to like it.
 
2010-09-01 09:29:41 AM
mayIFark:

No, you may not.
 
2010-09-01 09:29:59 AM
This is all Obama's fault for forcing them to be so oppositionist. If Obama really cared about this country, he would step down and hand power over to Palin so that this country can finally be united yet again. Just like his Idol Lincoln did.
 
2010-09-01 09:30:01 AM
Garet Garrett: Emposter: Babwa Wawa: This headline has nothing to do with the content of the article.

Welcome to fark. Enjoy your stay.

Indeed. To summarize TFA, on economic issues the Obama administration is lost, "wander[ing] unleashed from park to alley, stopping to sniff every cable news story along the way." They'd like to avoid the end of the Bush tax cuts, but only for some people, and getting that particular result is politically very difficult, and Obama doesn't have a clue how to get it done, which might leave him in the position of having the entire economy face a huge tax hit in the middle of whatever you want to call this current economic malaise.


To be fair, he knows exactly how to get it done - but for some reason, the Republicans are behaving completely inflexibly, preferring to have something bad happen to the country than to compromise.
 
2010-09-01 09:30:39 AM
canyoneer: The logical fallacy of false dilemma

The false dilemma is a quite common fallacy, to be sure.

But it's simply the case that any extra money you spend to stimulate the economy necessarily increases deficits that amount. And any money you don't spend in order to decrease deficit is less money you can spend to stimulate the economy.
 
2010-09-01 09:31:03 AM
How about eliminate tax cuts for the wealthy, increase tax cuts for the middle class and small businesses?

Empower the middle class, and the economy will grow...not letting it trickle down.
 
2010-09-01 09:31:04 AM
earthwirm: That is how you unleash the private sector

A concept that is completely foreign to Obama.
 
2010-09-01 09:31:07 AM
hubiestubert: Oh, wait. There IS a way, but you're not going to like it.

Citations to former news magazine companies that were so collossally unsuccessful that they had to be sold for $1 are rarely, if ever, persuasive on economic issues.
 
2010-09-01 09:31:44 AM
LasersHurt: preferring to have something bad happen to the country than to compromise.

The worse shape the country is in, the more likely they are to get elected. Simple as that.
 
2010-09-01 09:32:43 AM
earthwirm: Cut Gov't spending. Reduce taxes (or keep current tax cuts in place). That is how you unleash the private sector which, currently, employs the majority of Americans.

So why didn't that work when republicans were in power?
 
2010-09-01 09:33:38 AM
hubiestubert: Then please explain to us how we can stimulate the economy while bringing down the deficit.

Show your work.


This is my major problem with the Republican party. They don't have any answers, all they have is "No, the president is wrong, we'll do a better job when we have one of our guys in the white house."

Really? The last time one of "your guys" was in the White House, we got into this mess, so you kind of have to earn your way back...so start bringing up some ideas, difficulty: It has to be more than 'trickle down economics'.
 
2010-09-01 09:33:39 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: earthwirm: That is how you unleash the private sector

A concept that is completely foreign to Obama.


Oh, knock it off.
 
2010-09-01 09:33:50 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: earthwirm: That is how you unleash the private sector

A concept that is completely foreign to Obama.


Probably because it simply doesn't work.
 
2010-09-01 09:34:51 AM
TonnageVT: How about eliminate tax cuts for the wealthy, increase tax cuts for the middle class and small businesses?

Empower the middle class, and the economy will grow...not letting it trickle down.


That was part of the President's speech last night, the idea that we need to restore and empower the middle class. It's a very true statement. Renewing the cuts on the middle/lower classes should be fine, though, making them larger won't really help anything at this point.

hillbillypharmacist: LasersHurt: preferring to have something bad happen to the country than to compromise.

The worse shape the country is in, the more likely they are to get elected. Simple as that.


Sad, but true - they can play the "outsiders" role even with their hand firmly stuck in the cookie jar. Or the ruination jar. Or whatever.
 
2010-09-01 09:35:07 AM
HotWingConspiracy: So why didn't that work when republicans were in power?

It would have worked, if the spectre of an Obama administration hadn't reared its ugly head. After his 2004 speech, the private sector wisely played it safe and started cutting jobs to prepare for the socialist Obamageddon.
 
2010-09-01 09:35:07 AM
unlikely: See, we don't have a problem with either of those goals, we have a problem with Obama using the word "we" when discussing it.

If he thinks for one red second that as Republicans we will accept any plan that has a chance of him getting to put a feather into his cap, he is sorely mistaken.

These things will happen ONLY after the American people realize the error of their ways and put a Republican back in the White House and give us back the Congress.

"We."

The man is hilarious.


And that is why you are useless and possibly a traitor.
 
2010-09-01 09:35:26 AM
earthwirm: Cut Gov't spending. Reduce taxes (or keep current tax cuts in place). That is how you unleash the private sector which, currently, employs the majority of Americans.

I would hardly expect someone who is advised by Summers, Geithner, and Krugman, who got his training from Frank Marshall Davis and Ayers, and who's spiritual mentor is Wright to understand this.

Unfortunately that is who we elected and we must suck it up for at least 3 more months.


Thanks for your input, tard.

On another note, FTA:
First, Democrats might break a Senate filibuster by persuading some Republicans to support an extension of Bush's tax cuts for the middle class but not the wealthy. Momentum, however, runs in the other direction. Republicans are unlikely to give the president a legislative victory immediately before the midterms, particularly one that increases taxes.

This is the key point from the article. The Republicans would rather let tax cuts for the middle class expire than give Obama a supposed 'victory' that would stimulute the economy. They would rather the economy suffer more than extend the tax cuts for the middle class, because a poor economy helps them politically.

So the bottom line is, if you make less than $250k, your taxes will go up in 2011, because of the GOP. And not because it helps the deficit, but because it benefits them politically.
 
2010-09-01 09:36:09 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

All the neocons in here want the economy to be worse

Because the president is black!

(Remember when the mods said this wasn't trolling? Wonder if they'll be consistent.)
 
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