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(Some Guy)   Despite its history as a penal colony, prisoners in Australia now have access to roast chicken and pizza, flat screen TVs, drugs, unsupervised shopping trips, free time at the beach, and conjugal visits   (cairns.com.au) divider line 93
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2010-09-01 03:42:30 AM  
Couldn't they just airlift convicts to the interior of the continent?
 
2010-09-01 04:07:19 AM  
Snitch.
 
2010-09-01 08:45:39 AM  
Someone alert the private prison owners here in America; I'm sure they'd love to pull them here for some righteous justice extra punishment.
 
2010-09-01 08:46:21 AM  
What do you expect from the country that spawned Hitler?
 
2010-09-01 08:46:33 AM  
How much crime does Australia have? I am guessing a lot less than most countries including the US, so maybe their approach should not be condemned.
 
2010-09-01 08:49:45 AM  
Well it's probably not so bad they have that. Most of the prisoners in australia are people who didn't recycle or get a permit for their lemonade stand, anyway.
 
2010-09-01 08:50:03 AM  
The comments section is provides some nice between the lines information:

"I seriously doubt Correctional Services would send "convicted murderers & drug traffickers" into the community for a work camp. They're low risk offenders who are going to be reintroduced back into the community at some stage, and they were a massive help during the clean up for Larry [I happened to be in Innisfail at the time], along with the army, they did a lot of the grunt work in the aftermath, getting debris cleared, helping rebuild - without pay.Whilst the apparent "perks" they enjoyed might be a bit much for someone serving time, if they're that late into their sentence it's probably better they got supervised time outside the facility to get reacquainted with society. If they were in town or at the beach when I was, no one would have known about it. They were well behaved."
 
2010-09-01 08:50:10 AM  
"What we got here, is failure..."

i43.photobucket.com
 
2010-09-01 08:50:29 AM  
skinink: What do you expect from the country that spawned Hitler?

pw0nd.com
 
2010-09-01 08:50:47 AM  
The snitches need to get stitches.

Yes, retribution.
 
2010-09-01 08:51:27 AM  
'is provides'

/gah...
 
2010-09-01 08:51:38 AM  
Desmo: "What we got here, is failure..."

...to take care of the rat.
 
2010-09-01 08:53:32 AM  
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: How much crime does Australia have? I am guessing a lot less than most countries including the US, so maybe their approach should not be condemned.

There may be some influencing factors there. Population of ~22M vs 310M, maybe? I'm betting there are other factors, too. I wonder if there's a place, maybe a set of tube-like structures, where one could get information on crime stats?
 
2010-09-01 08:54:09 AM  
I didn't know they had beaches in the alps.
 
2010-09-01 08:55:19 AM  
Desmo: "What we got here, is failure..."

Well what do you expect with a name like "InnisFAIL"???
 
2010-09-01 08:56:35 AM  
Despite?
 
2010-09-01 08:56:56 AM  
You know who else had fun in prison?
 
2010-09-01 08:57:17 AM  
Despite Because of its history as a penal colony, prisoners in Australia now have access to roast chicken and pizza, flat screen TVs, drugs, unsupervised shopping trips, free time at the beach, and conjugal visits

Fixed it for ya, subby. Doesn't that make more sense?
 
2010-09-01 08:57:54 AM  
This is outrageous. I hope we Americans continue imprisoning more of our citizens than any civilization in history, because you see what the nightmarish alternative is.

And you'd better believe our guys won't have access to chicken, prescription drugs or flat screen TVs.

/do they even manufacture non-flat screen TVs anymore?
 
2010-09-01 08:58:19 AM  
Why do people always argue population size like it's relevant?

Anyways, it's been known for ages that happy prisoners are better for everyone involved. Brutal punishment might satisfy our societal bloodlust, but is it really worth the cost?
 
2010-09-01 08:58:25 AM  
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: How much crime does Australia have? I am guessing a lot less than most countries including the US, so maybe their approach should not be condemned.

Now now let's not start criticizing the stupidly high per capita incarceration rate in America...remember these are CRIMINALS we're talking about.
 
2010-09-01 08:58:30 AM  
ronaprhys: There may be some influencing factors there. Population of ~22M vs 310M, maybe? I'm betting there are other factors, too. I wonder if there's a place, maybe a set of tube-like structures, where one could get information on crime stats?

By crime I meant crime rate, I thought that was obvious.

While I have time to fark, I don't have time to research international crime rates and convert them based on their differing criteria.
 
2010-09-01 08:59:31 AM  
Also what the fark is wrong with pizza? It's cheap as hell to make, tastes good, and might just make people happy enough that they go and pick up a trade and start their lives over.
 
2010-09-01 08:59:51 AM  
Shait, I'm a free man and I haven't had a conjugal visit in 6 months.
 
2010-09-01 09:02:41 AM  
You mean they do not treat the prisoners of them like the vicious animals so that when they get out they can return to prison to make the private prison owners more money? Who would have thunked this to be the outcome of such the treatment?
 
2010-09-01 09:02:43 AM  
I notice it's a former inmate. I'm curious about his motivation for telling people about this.
 
2010-09-01 09:02:48 AM  
Bored Horde: Also what the fark is wrong with pizza? It's cheap as hell to make, tastes good, and might just make people happy enough that they go and pick up a trade and start their lives over.

So wait, you want these people to leave prison rehabilitated? You want them to be better members of society than when they came in?

Wow. Just wow.

/hehe
 
2010-09-01 09:02:48 AM  
imgod2u: Shait, I'm a free man and I haven't had a conjugal visit in 6 months.

You sound married.
 
2010-09-01 09:03:12 AM  
Bored Horde Quote 2010-09-01 08:59:31 AM
Also what the fark is wrong with pizza? It's cheap as hell to make, tastes good, and might just make people happy enough that they go and pick up a trade and start their lives over.


Or it might be hot, burn the roof of their mouth and set them on a murderous rage.
 
2010-09-01 09:03:40 AM  
Well...

WHY do we lock up people in the first place?

Pure punishment? Wouldn't it be better with, for example, lashes? Cost effective, -clear- punishment. If it's for the protection of the citizens (which I guess is the main reason), when why not focus on rehabilitation, and a comfortable safe place where you can reflect on your crimes and have access to therapy and not become a worse person when you are released?

The idea of making prison a terrible place for both punishment and rehabilitation clearly doesn't work and why should it? I think it is very hard to have both at the same time.

If you go with rehabilitation, which most civilized countries does (except the USA), then prison SHOULD be a nice place where you can reflect and work on yourself without the fear of being ass-raped.
 
2010-09-01 09:04:53 AM  
Ron T Davenport: imgod2u: Shait, I'm a free man and I haven't had a conjugal visit in 6 months.

This.

You sound married.

Yes.
 
2010-09-01 09:05:14 AM  
I would guess their system is still more effective than the American penal system, which obviously doesn't work very well. I guess it all comes down to the question of whether prison is for punishment or rehabilitation?

We do the punishment aspect great...rehabilitation not so much.
 
2010-09-01 09:11:37 AM  
Walter's Vietnam References: I would guess their system is still more effective than the American penal system, which obviously doesn't work very well. I guess it all comes down to the question of whether prison is for punishment or rehabilitation?

We do the punishment aspect great...rehabilitation not so much.


You mean we do the raping of the buttocks. LAUGHTER OL!
 
2010-09-01 09:12:51 AM  
I couldn't help but notice that there was no mention of any of the prisoners committing new offenses. They certainly had the opportunity.

Hmmm...
 
2010-09-01 09:13:12 AM  
i wouldn't think roast chicken and pizza...more schnitzel and linzer torte
 
2010-09-01 09:15:33 AM  
I watched a documentary last night about Abe Saffron (new window)---a gangster known as the "Boss of the Cross"---and while he was jailed in Long Bay Prison, near Sydney, for tax offenses, he actually brought in a drag show from one of his clubs and takeaway Chinese food for all the prisoners. This was in the early 80's I think...
 
2010-09-01 09:18:09 AM  
Capitalist1: Couldn't they just airlift convicts to the interior of the continent?

You mean like a penal implant?
 
2010-09-01 09:23:14 AM  
Other than the conjugal visits, it sounds like being married.
 
2010-09-01 09:26:30 AM  
Schwipp 2010-09-01 09:03:40 AM
...when why not focus on rehabilitation, and a comfortable safe place where you can reflect on your crimes and have access to therapy and not become a worse person when you are released?

The idea of making prison a terrible place for both punishment and rehabilitation clearly doesn't work and why should it? I think it is very hard to have both at the same time.

If you go with rehabilitation, which most civilized countries does (except the USA), then prison SHOULD be a nice place where you can reflect and work on yourself without the fear of being ass-raped.


Well, the one big reason for an unpleasant penal system, which you don't mention is deterence. I don't believe a prisoner should be in fear of getting raped or tortured. But, no way should a prison be a nice place to contemplate the errors of one's way.

Under your system, I'd definetly consider robbing a bank, because it sounds way more cool than my 9-5 job and if I get caught, I get to go your proposed nice place. Spend some time clearing my head. And when I get out, I'll go rob a bank again.

If done right, the penal system is about a) punishment, b) deterence and c) rehabitation for those who deserve it.
 
2010-09-01 09:27:32 AM  
5 seconds on Google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration#Incarceration_rates_by_country

http://www.economist.com/node/16636027

both pop into new windows.

crime rates is tougher (which crime?). perhaps someone else can spend 5-secs on Google to find some comparative data?
 
2010-09-01 09:28:31 AM  
Civilian prison should be no different than military prison. If you kill someone and have a life sentence, then you should spend your days turning big rocks into little rocks. Why the fark should we give a shiat about rehabilitating someone who's doomed to die inside the prison? People always use the argument about it costing too much money per prisoner, but I call bullshiat on that too. It wouldn't cost as much per prisoner if they treated them like basic trainees in the military. How is it that hundreds of thousands of people (me included) can go through that without the ACLU getting involved and saying it's cruel and unusual, but prisoners have to have their own farking TVs?

I agree that we imprison far too many people. Drug offenders? Dumbest thing ever to lock them up. White collar criminals? Make them go help the people they effed over in some way as punishment... The list could go on and on for non-violent offenders. But if you kill someone or rape someone or screw a kid or anything like that - sorry... I personally think we should just off you and be done with it, but if we can't kill you, then we should at least make you as miserable as possible for the rest of your life.
 
2010-09-01 09:29:02 AM  
One question: what's Australia's recidivism rate?
 
2010-09-01 09:30:30 AM  
Seriously when did prison stop being a punishment....
 
2010-09-01 09:32:22 AM  
FilmBELOH20: Civilian prison should be no different than military prison. If you kill someone and have a life sentence, then you should spend your days turning big rocks into little rocks. Why the fark should we give a shiat about rehabilitating someone who's doomed to die inside the prison? People always use the argument about it costing too much money per prisoner, but I call bullshiat on that too. It wouldn't cost as much per prisoner if they treated them like basic trainees in the military. How is it that hundreds of thousands of people (me included) can go through that without the ACLU getting involved and saying it's cruel and unusual, but prisoners have to have their own farking TVs?

I agree that we imprison far too many people. Drug offenders? Dumbest thing ever to lock them up. White collar criminals? Make them go help the people they effed over in some way as punishment... The list could go on and on for non-violent offenders. But if you kill someone or rape someone or screw a kid or anything like that - sorry... I personally think we should just off you and be done with it, but if we can't kill you, then we should at least make you as miserable as possible for the rest of your life.


You simply have no clue as to the profit potential a criminal represents.
Go sit down. There are adults workin' an' makin' wealth here.
 
2010-09-01 09:33:04 AM  
J.Garcia'sRightMiddleFinger: ronaprhys: There may be some influencing factors there. Population of ~22M vs 310M, maybe? I'm betting there are other factors, too. I wonder if there's a place, maybe a set of tube-like structures, where one could get information on crime stats?

By crime I meant crime rate, I thought that was obvious.

While I have time to fark, I don't have time to research international crime rates and convert them based on their differing criteria.


You have to actually think here. Population is one thing that actually does influence rates as it can speak to population density. Denser populations have more interactions which can lead to more crime. Another fun thing to consider is the homogenity of the population. The US is listed as being ~80% white, 13% black, then other making up the rest. However, since Hispanic isn't broken out, another 15% is spread out amongst the other groups. Maybe 10-12% out of that 80% white grouping. That gives us a fairly large mix of diverse populations, which also helps increase crime rates (us against them mentality). Income disparity is another drive. Linkie - easy to find (new window). Australia is 92% white - very homogeneous. Link (new window)

On top of all that
 
2010-09-01 09:34:53 AM  
Dwight_Yeast: One question: what's Australia's recidivism rate?

That is the big question here... If it is lower it could be because of they way they run their prisons there or it could be a cultural difference.

weatherwitch666: Seriously when did prison stop being a punishment....

I'm less interested in punishment and more interested in reform of prisoners. I would rather people be reformed by what the court orders after they are found guilty than just punishing them.
 
2010-09-01 09:35:02 AM  
SirEattonHogg: Despite Because of its history as a penal colony, prisoners in Australia now have access to roast chicken and pizza, flat screen TVs, drugs, unsupervised shopping trips, free time at the beach, and conjugal visits

Fixed it for ya, subby. Doesn't that make more sense?


Agreed!
 
2010-09-01 09:35:17 AM  
FilmBELOH20: Civilian prison should be no different than military prison. If you kill someone and have a life sentence, then you should spend your days turning big rocks into little rocks. Why the fark should we give a shiat about rehabilitating someone who's doomed to die inside the prison? People always use the argument about it costing too much money per prisoner, but I call bullshiat on that too. It wouldn't cost as much per prisoner if they treated them like basic trainees in the military. How is it that hundreds of thousands of people (me included) can go through that without the ACLU getting involved and saying it's cruel and unusual, but prisoners have to have their own farking TVs?

I agree that we imprison far too many people. Drug offenders? Dumbest thing ever to lock them up. White collar criminals? Make them go help the people they effed over in some way as punishment... The list could go on and on for non-violent offenders. But if you kill someone or rape someone or screw a kid or anything like that - sorry... I personally think we should just off you and be done with it, but if we can't kill you, then we should at least make you as miserable as possible for the rest of your life.


Couldn't agree more...drug offenders, get them out and save taxpayers billions. White collar guys need to give back to those they hurt most, paying fines and spending a bit of time in some cush 'jail' isn't punishment.

But yeah, prisons should be hellish. Bad plumbing. Bad food. no TV. work all day long. No gyms, no free time. Make people want to get out and stay out.

Prisons nowadays are these huge, heavily secured resorts. They've got gyms, TVs, good food. YOu're in PRISON. It's supposed to be punishment. Get rid of the cush conditions and we'll see how many people go back.
 
2010-09-01 09:36:46 AM  
Their prisons should be more like ours. Everybody knows that anybody who goes through an American prison system NEVER goes back. Our recidivism rate is extremely low.

What? It's not? It's really high?

Well, scratch that. Do the opposite of us and see if that works.
 
2010-09-01 09:38:12 AM  
ansius: 5 seconds on Google:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration#Incarceration_rates_by_country

http://www.economist.com/node/16636027

both pop into new windows.

crime rates is tougher (which crime?). perhaps someone else can spend 5-secs on Google to find some comparative data?


I'll be honest, I just tried to find something about why prisoners were locked up - murder, rape, other violent crimes, drug offenses, property crime, other, etc., but didn't have any luck. That'd probably be the best thing to use to compare here.

There are other influencers in play as well, but without baseline data it's hard to make any correlations, which make if very difficult to get to causation.
 
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