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(WBAL-TV)   News: Skateboarder-harassing cop caught on film is suspended. Not news: Police trial board throws out most serious charges. Fark: Police Commissioner overturns decision and fires him. Post-Fark: He was one year away from full pension. Dude   (wbaltv.com) divider line 395
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2010-08-30 01:16:52 PM
"If I find myself on youtu"....

*end of transmission*
 
2010-08-30 01:19:50 PM
Mikeboomshadow

Not only should cops be videotaped, but CopCams should be streamed live for free online 24/7. Maybe sell ad space to pay for it.

CopCam: brought to you by Jimmy Dean's Pork Sausage!


That is a gem right there! One of the better lines I have read in a while. I could not agree more.
 
2010-08-30 02:09:26 PM
Gecko Gingrich: "Don't call me dude!"

"How about assailant?"


FTFY
 
2010-08-30 02:13:10 PM
FTFA: "I'm not 'man.' I'm not 'dude,' I am Officer Rivieri," he told the teen. "The sooner you learn that, the longer you are going to live in this world. Because you go around doing this kind of stuff and somebody is going to kill you."

I don't know if the cop was necessarily out of line in his treatment of this young punk, but judging from his above statement, he's not the kind of guy we want protecting our streets. The guy thinks that it is reasonably (let alone even remotely) possible that someone could be killed for calling another person "dude." It sounds like he has some anger issues. And, he's ugly and fat, flat feet, etc.
 
2010-08-30 02:16:15 PM
Unixfreak: I usually speak out in Fark cop-bashing threads™ because it's a bunch of girls whining about cops on a power trip. This case, however is exactly that. I'm glad the fat geek who got picked on high school and took it out on little kids got reprimanded and lost everything. This dipshiat was way out of line, and is a bad representation of police officers.

This.
 
2010-08-30 02:18:38 PM
wruley: I know there are bad cops out there that get away with doing some bad shiat, and I hope they all get caught or die a horrible death.

This cop was not one of them.


Watch the other video. This is apparently how he handles any given situation.

Yes, he's one of the bad ones, and thankfully, he's gone.
 
2010-08-30 02:40:18 PM
Corn on the cops.
 
B A [TotalFark]
2010-08-30 02:40:44 PM
freewill: B A:

Yes the cop had the kid by the head and took him to the ground but did NOT "slam" him to the ground. The kid was not injured, nobody was physically harmed in the filming of this incident. I don't defend beating kids by anybody but I do say that firing him was an asinine theatrical move well in excess of any needed corrective action. The suspension would have been a $1200. to $1600. loss to his pocket.

His employer is perfectly right to fire him for humiliating them by pulling this in a professional capacity, in their name. Working somewhere a long time doesn't entitle you to be bad at your job. That said, no, I don't think anyone would feel that $1200-$1600 was sufficient if this person weren't a cop and were pulling this stunt, and I'm not entirely clear on why behavior this outlandish should be shielded by his badge. He's obviously incapable of using his authority responsibly, so the department did the right thing and took that authority away so that he can't abuse it anymore.

Yeah. If you fired every civil servant who lost his temper, got loud and overbearing, and made people feel stupid you'd have zero civil servants left 'cause they're all human.

There's lots of good people out there who need jobs.


About 5% of those would pass the psychological tests and written tests to get into an academy. about 2/3s of THOSE would pass the certification tests after academy and MAYBE 1/2 of those would stay more than 3 years. The mental/emotional strains of dealing with a self entitled group of "civilians" (such as yourself) would simply be more than they could handle.
 
2010-08-30 02:41:07 PM
MikeBoomshadow and people are SHOCKED that cops want to ban videotaping cops.

Strangely, this cop says he doesn't care-but why do these douche cops always refer to themselves in the 3rd Person?
Link (new window)
 
2010-08-30 02:50:01 PM
B A: The mental/emotional strains of dealing with a self entitled group of "civilians" (such as yourself) would simply be more than they could handle.

Good thing they left before they lost it then, huh? BTW, why use the psych profile if they're still unable to handle the civvies after they "pass" it?
 
2010-08-30 02:51:08 PM
You wear polyester every day and you'd be grumpy too.
 
2010-08-30 02:52:34 PM
Feh. Shoot them BOTH out of a cannon into the ocean, and call it day.
 
2010-08-30 02:58:24 PM
B A: Go watch the video again, with your head OUT of your butt, and notice that - Yes the cop had the kid by the head and took him to the ground but did NOT "slam" him to the ground. The kid was not injured, nobody was physically harmed in the filming of this incident.

Totally agree: Your mom was far more sore after I "slammed" her.

B A: The mental/emotional strains of dealing with a self entitled group of "civilians" (such as yourself) would simply be more than they could handle.

Yeah, we even have a name for our "entitlement". It's called The Bill of Rights. Look it up, badge-licker.

pete1729: OK now, here's more confirmation of unprovoked douchebaggery. He really shouldn't be doing the job to which he was assigned. I'm still not convinced that he needs his pension revoked.

Love the vids showing his sweet, sweet ride: He's a one-man clown car.
 
2010-08-30 03:06:48 PM
blogs.gamefilia.com

More inspirational Salvatore "Dude" Rivieri images (unrelated images at the bottom of the page may be NSFW).
 
B A [TotalFark]
2010-08-30 03:06:52 PM
Mykeru: B A: Go watch the video again, with your head OUT of your butt, and notice that - Yes the cop had the kid by the head and took him to the ground but did NOT "slam" him to the ground. The kid was not injured, nobody was physically harmed in the filming of this incident.

Totally agree: Your mom was far more sore after I "slammed" her.

B A: The mental/emotional strains of dealing with a self entitled group of "civilians" (such as yourself) would simply be more than they could handle.

Yeah, we even have a name for our "entitlement". It's called The Bill of Rights. Look it up, badge-licker.

pete1729: OK now, here's more confirmation of unprovoked douchebaggery. He really shouldn't be doing the job to which he was assigned. I'm still not convinced that he needs his pension revoked.

Love the vids showing his sweet, sweet ride: He's a one-man clown car.


Actually mom said whe'd never seen one as tiny as yours.
The Bill of Rights has nothing to do with your sense of entitlement to do as you damn please with/on other peoples property while endangering other peoples well-being.
 
2010-08-30 03:13:10 PM
B A: ctually mom said whe'd never seen one as tiny as yours.
The Bill of Rights has nothing to do with your sense of entitlement to do as you damn please with/on other peoples property while endangering other peoples well-being.


At this point it's pretty pointless arguing with B A. He has the idea that in this case since the kid was allegedly being a nuisance to a property owner an officer is allowed to to take any action they want to stop it.
 
2010-08-30 03:13:51 PM
wruley: If I was the kids Father (he says he doesn't have one) or Mother and I saw this tape, I would ask him why hw was so disrespectful to the officer. I would tell him that if he would have handed his skakeboard to the officer, he would not have been taken to the ground.

What right did the officer have to confiscate his skateboard (what some would call "seizure of property")?
 
2010-08-30 03:14:26 PM
Madbassist1: (I'd seriously like to hear from Cruiser Twelve or another cop on how to handle something like this.

First, make sure the "no skateboarding" rule is posted properly so the kids know it's against the rules.

First time, kid gets a warning and I would explain that if there's a second time, he gets a ticket and he and a parent can go to court together. I've also found the best way to get respect from a kid is to be respectful to him. It's amazing the shocked look you get when a cop in uniform refers to a 15 year old kid as "sir."

Second time with the same kid, he gets a ticket and parents get notified (parent notification is required where I work anyhow).

There generally won't be a third time.

The cop in the video was out of line for several reasons. He had no business putting his hands on the kid. Period. The cop was taking things personally, and he was taking things too seriously - how he lasted 19 years on the job is beyond me. He probably has ulcers and all sorts of other stress related health issues.

Good for the Commissioner for firing the guy.
 
2010-08-30 03:15:08 PM
B A: About 5% of those would pass the psychological tests and written tests to get into an academy.

Then it's a good thing that there are more unemployed people than there are cops, and that most cops are good at their jobs. Statistically, we'll have plenty of successful applicants. Then again, working with people like Riviera is doubtlessly what keeps some away.

That said, what good is the psychological test? It passed Riviera, a man who thinks an appropriate way to handle a guy playing with a toy car in a park is to kick it across the beach and angrily eject him from a public space.

The mental/emotional strains of dealing with a self entitled group of "civilians" (such as yourself) would simply be more than they could handle.

Expecting to *not* have a hysterical fat man jump me and try to seize my property for wearing headphones and then being otherwise cooperative equals "self-entitlement"? Weird.

I especially love this jackoff's "don't get defensive with me" line. Jesus, why would anyone be defensive with HIM? He's so obviously just here to help the good citizens of Baltimore. Is it a crime to be defensive when a man with a gun starts screaming at you, now, nevermind when you're just a kid?

As someone else here said, good cops handle situations, and bad cops create them. This guy manufactured one by needlessly introducing force into an otherwise calm encounter. He's bad at this, and needs to go get a job that's more his speed. I would happily order fries from this man.

If you had said that the other stresses of his job (like, say, the risk of being shot by a drug addict) were what pushed him over the edge here (and at least acknowledged that he was over the edge), that would be one thing, but if you think this situation was just too mentally and emotionally stressful to bear without putting someone in a head-lock, you have coping issues that you should probably try to resolve.
 
2010-08-30 03:17:44 PM
B A: Actually mom said whe'd never seen one as tiny as yours.

Who am I to question her vast, even cavernous, experience?

Hello?

...Hello...Hello...Hello...

Ah, now that brings back memories.

The Bill of Rights has nothing to do with your sense of entitlement to do as you damn please with/on other peoples property while endangering other peoples well-being.

Absolutely. Now if you could just make that rousing bit of obvious relevant to the subject at hand, you may have something there, skippy.
 
2010-08-30 03:17:54 PM
Good, hypocrites deserve everything they receive.
 
2010-08-30 03:23:24 PM
I love he believes the alleged handshake changes anything...like the kid thought about whether he should take the hand...then decided they should just be friends and gave him his hand willingly with an "Aw Shucks" grin.
 
2010-08-30 03:23:33 PM
atar.axia: Madbassist1: Madbassist1: Anavrinman: There are ways to handle a situation like this that don't involve roughing up a kid for no real reason.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us?

Still waiting for viable solutions, fark elite.

Feel free to ignore my previous post while attempting to fish for more bites. It's cute.


atar.axia: Work within the law, as is the officers job. That is what's expected. Derision from peers is not cause for you to exceed your authority and violate someones rights. Don't like the constraints within which you are required to work? Find a new job. You're not fit to be an officer.

"But he was a punk skateboarder! He was going to run, so I hate to strike before he had the chance!"

/"He was black. I had to strike before he raped a white woman, stole a car, smoked some crack, and then used taxpayer money on trivial eccentricities!"


That's a viable solution? You say 'work within the law' but don't give any examples of how this can be accomplished. That's not a solution, that's you whining about how things should be done in fantasy land without actually providing a farking procedure, smart-ass.

Readin is good for you.
 
2010-08-30 03:24:01 PM
CruiserTwelve: Madbassist1: (I'd seriously like to hear from Cruiser Twelve or another cop on how to handle something like this.

First, make sure the "no skateboarding" rule is posted properly so the kids know it's against the rules.

First time, kid gets a warning and I would explain that if there's a second time, he gets a ticket and he and a parent can go to court together. I've also found the best way to get respect from a kid is to be respectful to him. It's amazing the shocked look you get when a cop in uniform refers to a 15 year old kid as "sir."

Second time with the same kid, he gets a ticket and parents get notified (parent notification is required where I work anyhow).

There generally won't be a third time.

The cop in the video was out of line for several reasons. He had no business putting his hands on the kid. Period. The cop was taking things personally, and he was taking things too seriously - how he lasted 19 years on the job is beyond me. He probably has ulcers and all sorts of other stress related health issues.

Good for the Commissioner for firing the guy.


Thanks for being a courteous officer who makes a positive contribution to his community. A close relative of mine was a police officer for years and he was consistently outraged to learn when some jackass was doing something that turned the public against the police in general. (His favorite outrage was the guys who threaten to "let the drug dogs tear up your car" to intimidate you into consenting to a legally baseless search.)
 
2010-08-30 03:25:00 PM
freewill: I would happily order fries from this man.

Or a liter of cola?
 
2010-08-30 03:25:10 PM
CruiserTwelve: Madbassist1: (I'd seriously like to hear from Cruiser Twelve or another cop on how to handle something like this.

First, make sure the "no skateboarding" rule is posted properly so the kids know it's against the rules.

First time, kid gets a warning and I would explain that if there's a second time, he gets a ticket and he and a parent can go to court together. I've also found the best way to get respect from a kid is to be respectful to him. It's amazing the shocked look you get when a cop in uniform refers to a 15 year old kid as "sir."

Second time with the same kid, he gets a ticket and parents get notified (parent notification is required where I work anyhow).

There generally won't be a third time.

The cop in the video was out of line for several reasons. He had no business putting his hands on the kid. Period. The cop was taking things personally, and he was taking things too seriously - how he lasted 19 years on the job is beyond me. He probably has ulcers and all sorts of other stress related health issues.

Good for the Commissioner for firing the guy.


Thanks for the input, twelve
 
2010-08-30 03:26:53 PM
B A: assault is a violent act & I didn't see a violent act. I saw an officer physically control a teenager but, having had training in that act,

Funny, if I went out and physically controlled a teenager, I'd be charged with assault.
If they were female, It'd probably be called "sexual assault."
 
2010-08-30 03:34:31 PM
Madbassist1: atar.axia: Madbassist1: Madbassist1:

That's a viable solution? You say 'work within the law' but don't give any examples of how this can be accomplished. That's not a solution, that's you whining about how things should be done in fantasy land without actually providing a farking procedure, smart-ass.


Madbassist: I've already addressed this issue to you, and I didn't see where you responded. Maybe I missed it, maybe you missed it, but since you're still saying it, I'll do it again:

Accomplish what? A solution to what? What, exactly, was the situation here that was supposed to be resolved by assaulting a child?

The officer told them to stop skateboarding, and although one of them apparently had to be flagged down by his friends because he had headphones in, they all stopped. Problem solved. Situation ended. Once they stopped, that's it. Write tickets if you feel it's needed to make the point, warn them that if they're caught again there will be tickets, but beyond that, there was no further situation and no further business there. Go catch real criminals, who actually resist and need to be head-locked.
 
2010-08-30 03:37:34 PM
ReverendJasen: B A: assault is a violent act & I didn't see a violent act. I saw an officer physically control a teenager but, having had training in that act,

Funny, if I went out and physically controlled a teenager, I'd be charged with assault.
If they were female, It'd probably be called "sexual assault."


a.abcnews.com

"I wish I knew how to quit you, kid."
 
2010-08-30 03:39:56 PM
freewill:
The officer told them to stop skateboarding, and although one of them apparently had to be flagged down by his friends because he had headphones in, they all stopped. Problem solved. Situation ended. Once they stopped, that's it. Write tickets if you feel it's needed to make the point, warn them that if they're caught again there will be tickets, but beyond that, there was no further situation and no further business there. Go catch real criminals, who actually resist and need to be head-locked.


Actually, I just watched the video again...and although I think the kid was at fault (he did resist when the cop took the skateboard from him), clearly the cop (not the suspect) escalated the situation. I'm no expert but, I don't think it should ever be that way. I still dont think he should lose his pension, but I do think they should send him on his way quietly.
 
2010-08-30 03:44:04 PM
Madbassist1: freewill:
The officer told them to stop skateboarding, and although one of them apparently had to be flagged down by his friends because he had headphones in, they all stopped. Problem solved. Situation ended. Once they stopped, that's it. Write tickets if you feel it's needed to make the point, warn them that if they're caught again there will be tickets, but beyond that, there was no further situation and no further business there. Go catch real criminals, who actually resist and need to be head-locked.

Actually, I just watched the video again...and although I think the kid was at fault (he did resist when the cop took the skateboard from him), clearly the cop (not the suspect) escalated the situation. I'm no expert but, I don't think it should ever be that way. I still dont think he should lose his pension, but I do think they should send him on his way quietly.


I doubt the kid knew this or had it in mind, but he had every right to resist because the cop had no right to take away his skateboard. Again, unreasonable seizure of property. The cop did this either because he assumed the kid didn't know his rights and wouldn't report it, or because he was just really dumb. I'm calling it a toss up.
 
2010-08-30 03:51:13 PM
Mykeru: a.abcnews.com

"I wish I knew how to quit you, kid."


"Hey now, don't be like that buddy. Now give daddy a big kiss."
 
2010-08-30 03:59:28 PM
Madbassist1: Actually, I just watched the video again...and although I think the kid was at fault (he did resist when the cop took the skateboard from him), clearly the cop (not the suspect) escalated the situation. I'm no expert but, I don't think it should ever be that way. I still dont think he should lose his pension, but I do think they should send him on his way quietly.

In all seriousness, I really appreciate your intellectual honesty in saying that.

I agree about the skateboard, but there was just no reason for the cop to have his hands on the kid in the first place. Given that there was nothing threatening about this situation, any reasonable person would have thought to say "look, son, I'm going to hold your skateboard for a minute here, and then give it back to you when we're done talking", not manage to let it devolve into Greco-Roman Wrestling with a farking child. One of the two should be the adult.

Like I said before, he's done this on at least two occasions, not just this one, and it looks like a representative slice of the way he does business. So, to me, it's not fair about his pension, but life isn't fair. If they could get rid of him and end his pay without him losing his pension, fine, but if not, tough. The urgency of removing him from duty should trump that, as he seems to be on course to really hurt a member of the public, get himself really hurt, or cause a situation that will get another officer hurt needlessly.

Or, to put it language that Officer Riviera might find meaningful:

DOES HE TALK TO HIS OWN KIDS WITH THAT SMART LIP? HE HUMILIATED HIMSELF, HIS BADGE, AND HIS DEPARTMENT. THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR OFFICER RIVIERA'S FIRING IS OFFICER RIVIERA, BECAUSE IF HE DIDN'T GET HIS ACT TOGETHER, HE WAS GOING TO GET HIMSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE KILLED!

nunoyo: I doubt the kid knew this or had it in mind, but he had every right to resist because the cop had no right to take away his skateboard.

I'm not totally clear on this. Where I grew up, I was always told that it was illegal to disobey a lawful order, but when I moved to New York, a lot of people here seem to believe that it's illegal in and of itself to disobey any police order. That doesn't seem right to me, but I've never gotten a straight answer.

In any situation, it's rarely a good idea to disobey any police order. If it's unlawful, get evidence that it happened and sue later, rather than getting yourself beaten into a coma now, because even if the officer is in the wrong, he may sincerely think he's in the right.
 
2010-08-30 04:11:33 PM
freewill: I would happily order fries from this man.

What ordering fries from this man might look like:

pix.motivatedphotos.com

"You'd disrespected me, my floppy shoes and this here franchised fast-food establishment"
 
2010-08-30 04:16:55 PM
RammaLamma: RangerVet75

RammaLamma:

And of course, by the way I spell, you can see I am Canadian.

Well, there's your problem.

Hey, don't trawl. BTW, I worked with the Rangers in Wainwright in '72 and again in '76. You there?


Nah, before my time. Just joking, I love you Canadians. When are you guys going to win another cup? sheeze!
 
2010-08-30 04:37:34 PM
skateboarder of 28 years.

i'm glad someone got this cowards actions on tape. Jocks and rednecks are nothing compared to a power hungry pig at 1am in a parking lot.
 
2010-08-30 04:50:43 PM
Son_of_Sleestak: Jocks and rednecks are nothing compared to a power hungry pig at 1am in a parking lot.

Dude, stop bragging about your amorous exploits.

/Dude, too much info, dude.

//Dude.

///Dude.
 
2010-08-30 05:04:43 PM
B A:
Go watch the video again, with your head OUT of your butt, and notice that - Yes the cop had the kid by the head and took him to the ground but did NOT "slam" him to the ground.


Then I'd watch it again if I were you. At :52-0:53 the kid is getting back up and the officer forcefully slams the minor back onto the ground. A proper "takedown" requires the officer to remain in contact with a minor to prevent injury. Since the officer was not GUIDING the fall, it was a slam, jackass.

If you actually KNEW anything about proper police procedure you'd know this.

The kid was not injured, nobody was physically harmed in the filming of this incident.

Look, let me spell this out for you. Me, I've received training regarding proper police procedure, and this jackass didn't follow anything even remotely like proper procedure.

Let's break down what was done wrong and why.

0:07 Officer Rivieri asks if the minor can hear him, and is told by another minor at the scene "I was trying to tell him but he's got his earphones in" indicating that the minor in question could not hear officer Rivieri's prior instructions. Officer Rivieri then acknowledges that he's been made aware of this fact by then ordering the minor to remove his ear phones and asking if the minor can hear him now.

0:10-0:17 Officer Revieri gets confirmation that the minor can hear him and starts accusing him getting defensive with the officer, and then makes threats that the minor will be "spend[ing] some time in juvenile" if he doesn't stop being defensive.

Now, last I checked, getting "defensive" with an officer is neither a criminal nor civil offense warranting "spending time in juvenile court". This indicates that the officer is already engaging in abuse of authority. That Officer Rivieri is already threatening to involve juvenile court without cause is ample indication that this officer is not even attempting to be reasonable or professional.

0:23 Officer Rivieri informs the minors that they're not allowed to ride their skateboards in the area. The minors acknowledge having been informed of this.

0:24 The minor who previously had not heard Officer Rivieri's orders explains that he did not hear the officer prior due to his earphones, but clearly can hear him now. From all indications the minor is simply explaining why he did not comply previously, and that is all.

0:25 Officer Rivieri accuses the minor of backtalking him and makes the statement "You give that attitude to your father, you give that to me and I'll smack you upside the head"

Okay, pausing here a second. What the officer did here IS a crime. Officer Riveri just issued a threat of physical violence to a minor without justification, and that, sir, constitutes assault. Specifically, in the US, assault refers to an act or threat that causes another to apprehend an immediate harmful contact. Battery is the use of actual force against another, which is what the officer then moves to next.

0:44 Officer Rivieri begins shouting at the minor and moves into proximity with the minor demanding to know where he's from. He then attempts to seize the skateboard (and here's the important bit) WITHOUT first ordering the minor to surrender the skateboard to his custody.

Proper procedure here is to order surrender, and only to move to physical seizure if surrender is refused.

0:51 Officer Rivieri then throws the minor to the ground ending the throw with a push that causes the minor to strike the ground violently. The minor attempts to rise and Officer Rivieri strikes the minor with an open hand causing him to impact the ground from a partially standing position WITHOUT attempting to control the fall.

If you knew anything about proper police procedure you'd know that this sort of behavior is completely contrary to SOP in just about any police dept. in the US. The correct thing to do at that point (if the seizure of the skateboard was warranted, which it clearly was not) is to order the minor to surrender the skateboard and provide him opportunity to comply with a lawful order, not to start laying hands on him first. The minor was not fleeing custody, was not acting aggressively, and was not engaged in any other activity at that moment that could reasonably be considered uncooperative, and as such the officer had no reason NOT to expect that the minor would not surrender the skateboard if given a lawful order to do so.

Further the takedown of a minor is always supposed to be a controlled take down if at all possible, and an officer is not supposed to then use blows to force the minor into an uncontrolled fall. That kid was on concrete, if he'd struck his head or broken bones, guess which department would be on the hook for his injury?

I don't defend beating kids by anybody but I do say that firing him was an asinine theatrical move well in excess of any needed corrective action.

Clearly you DO defend beating kids, because that's precisely what you're doing, pal. Defending the striking of a 14 year old by an out of control, loudmouthed, jackass.

From start to finish this clusterfark of an officer lost control of himself and thus lost control of the situation, and evidence is that this is not an isolated incident. shiat, this should be a training film for officers on how NOT to do your job. He took what should have been a minor encounter with the police and turned it into something that got his ass rightly discharged and also damaged the department's image in the public eye.

The suspension would have been a $1200. to $1600. loss to his pocket. To fire him after 19 years service means he has to start over elsewhere, which is excessive for a noninjury sustained citizen complaint.


As we've seen from other videos this is NOT an isolated incident, pal. For an isolated incident I might agree with you. But this appears to be a pattern of abusive behavior toward the public. Protect and SERVE, pal, it's not just words. This guy was a farking disgrace.

Lost his temper? Yeah he did. Injured somebody? No.
Ask the guy at public relations if he injured anyone with his behavior. Chances are you'll get a resounding yes from them about this. He just made other officer's jobs harder.

Threatened to hurt somebody? No.

Actually yes, he did threaten. Both with abusive of process, and with threats of violence that I quoted for you above.

Pulled his gun? No.
Honestly it looks like he didn't have an issued weapon. And given his behavior I'm frankly not surprised he wasn't wearing one. He was probably instructed not to carry one on his person for the safety of the public.

Hit the kid? No.

Actually again, yes he did. I even pointed out when.

If you fired every civil servant who lost his temper, got loud and overbearing, and made people feel stupid you'd have zero civil servants left 'cause they're all human.

Bullshiat. Let some other civil servant act like this jerakalo did and they'd be right to be fired to.

If I went to the DMV and had some jackass tried to slam me to the ground without cause, you bet your ass I'd expect him to be fired. Same for if I went into the Building Commision. If he did it to my 14 year old kid who wasn't hurting anyone, you bet I'd be pressing charges and you bet he'd serve time.

Police officers, at least GOOD ones know that they're citizens too, and that while they're given extra leeway to get their jobs done, it's done with the expectation that they won't abuse that leeway, which is precisely what this disgrace to the badge did.
 
2010-08-30 05:17:21 PM
Bell-fan: B A:
Go watch the video again, with your head OUT of your butt, and notice that - Yes the cop had the kid by the head and took him to the ground but did NOT "slam" him to the ground.


Then I'd watch it again if I were you. At :52-0:53 the kid is getting back up and the officer forcefully slams the minor back onto the ground. A proper "takedown" requires the officer to remain in contact with a minor to prevent injury. Since the officer was not GUIDING the fall, it was a slam, jackass.

If you actually KNEW anything about proper police procedure you'd know this.

The kid was not injured, nobody was physically harmed in the filming of this incident.

Look, let me spell this out for you. Me, I've received training regarding proper police procedure, and this jackass didn't follow anything even remotely like proper procedure.

Let's break down what was done wrong and why.

0:07 Officer Rivieri asks if the minor can hear him, and is told by another minor at the scene "I was trying to tell him but he's got his earphones in" indicating that the minor in question could not hear officer Rivieri's prior instructions. Officer Rivieri then acknowledges that he's been made aware of this fact by then ordering the minor to remove his ear phones and asking if the minor can hear him now.

0:10-0:17 Officer Revieri gets confirmation that the minor can hear him and starts accusing him getting defensive with the officer, and then makes threats that the minor will be "spend[ing] some time in juvenile" if he doesn't stop being defensive.

Now, last I checked, getting "defensive" with an officer is neither a criminal nor civil offense warranting "spending time in juvenile court". This indicates that the officer is already engaging in abuse of authority. That Officer Rivieri is already threatening to involve juvenile court without cause is ample indication that this officer is not even attempting to be reasonable or professional.

0:23 Officer Rivieri informs the minors that they're not allowed to ride their skateboards in the area. The minors acknowledge having been informed of this.

0:24 The minor who previously had not heard Officer Rivieri's orders explains that he did not hear the officer prior due to his earphones, but clearly can hear him now. From all indications the minor is simply explaining why he did not comply previously, and that is all.

0:25 Officer Rivieri accuses the minor of backtalking him and makes the statement "You give that attitude to your father, you give that to me and I'll smack you upside the head"

Okay, pausing here a second. What the officer did here IS a crime. Officer Riveri just issued a threat of physical violence to a minor without justification, and that, sir, constitutes assault. Specifically, in the US, assault refers to an act or threat that causes another to apprehend an immediate harmful contact. Battery is the use of actual force against another, which is what the officer then moves to next.

0:44 Officer Rivieri begins shouting at the minor and moves into proximity with the minor demanding to know where he's from. He then attempts to seize the skateboard (and here's the important bit) WITHOUT first ordering the minor to surrender the skateboard to his custody.

Proper procedure here is to order surrender, and only to move to physical seizure if surrender is refused.

0:51 Officer Rivieri then throws the minor to the ground ending the throw with a push that causes the minor to strike the ground violently. The minor attempts to rise and Officer Rivieri strikes the minor with an open hand causing him to impact the ground from a partially standing position WITHOUT attempting to control the fall.

If you knew anything about proper police procedure you'd know that this sort of behavior is completely contrary to SOP in just about any police dept. in the US. The correct thing to do at that point (if the seizure of the skateboard was warranted, which it clearly was not) is to order the minor to surrender the skateboard and provide him opportunity to comply with a lawful orde ...


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2010-08-30 05:18:00 PM
Bell-fan: Then I'd watch it again if I were you....

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2010-08-30 05:29:04 PM
Walter's Vietnam References: Mykeru: I didn't see the kid "talking back". He's a douchey kid. He said first that he didn't hear the cop (although yeah, he probably knew full well skateboarding wasn't permitted there) and corrected the cop after the cop made a comment about not being his father.

The problem with the cop is that it's obvious that nothing was going to stop him escalating: If the kid answers, that's "talking back"

Someone in a completely lop-sided power relationship like that that still can't keep it together has no right being a cop.

I totally agree. This kid wasn't even acting out very much like a lot of farkers in this thread seem to think. From the cops reaction you would think he was swearing and acting violently.

Unfortunately, "talking back" is in the eyes of the man with the gun, not the kid with the board. And for most police that I have met, "talking back" is saying anything but yes sir, and no sir, and I will suck your dick sir.


this.
 
2010-08-30 05:30:09 PM
uncletogie:

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heh... you do know that "I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter" is usually used on Fark to indicate that the poster you are replying to was a tinfoil hat wearing nut case, yeah?

Damn... I apologize if I came off that way.

The point here is just that it really torques my jaws when someone comes in and apologizes for someone that is CLEARLY behaving wrongly. Especially when it comes to law enforcement. The police have a tough job to do, and frequently I'd like to see them have MORE authority to go after really nasty criminals.

But I just don't trust the civilian LEO's out there much any more. Yeah there are good ones out there, genuinely decent guys and gals. But then there's the Rivieri's of the world out there, and I've just got no patience for them because they make all the good officers out there ashamed of what the citizenry start thinking of law enforcement.
 
2010-08-30 05:39:59 PM
NYCNative: APPROVES!

/ Too obscure?
// No really... Too obscure?


I was going for the Scatterbrain angle as well.
 
2010-08-30 05:44:41 PM
Madbassist1: Anavrinman: There are ways to handle a situation like this that don't involve roughing up a kid for no real reason.

Perhaps you would care to enlighten us?


Are you dim-witted? Can you see NO other action the officer could have taken? Fine, how about write him a ticket for public whetverness, call his parents if he can, or not. Oh, and file the police report that he's supposed to file, but didn't.

Or, he could have acted like any emotionally secure individual in his position and not get angry at how some dumbass 14 year old addresses him as "dude."

"Dude" is not a disrespectful word in today's lexicon. It's reflexive in nature. When confronted by a beligerant asshole, uniformed or not, 8th graders will often resort to saying "dude" instead of "sir."

He had nearly complete compliance from the kids. They clearly did not intend to continue skating. He could have, as an adult, taken control of the situation without violence. He could have attempted to explain calmly that what they did was against the law, and state that they must vacate the premises. Boom, they're gone, and you have a couple of 14 yaarolds who hate you, for the day.

What happens at the end of each scenario is that the kids stopped skating, and the officer wouldn't even need to file a police report. Do I have to come up with more ideas of how a professional policeman should have handled a couple of flippant skateboarders? Or do you just result to physically attacking someone before trying non-confrontational means?

Do you really need me to come up with even more, nonviolent actions he could have taken?
 
2010-08-30 05:47:32 PM
JanusofZeal: Rivieri is appealing the case. Bob Cherry, head of the Baltimore Fraternal Order of Police, said Wednesday that the union is outraged by the firing. Cherry said the officers in the FOP have supported Rivieri's actions.

...and this is why the "few bad apples" explanation for police corruption falls apart.

A good cop that defends the actions of a bad cop IS A BAD COP!
 
2010-08-30 05:50:56 PM
The Larch: willy beamish II: i was skating one night and they threatened me. then we set a few of them up and hospitalized them

This reminds me of the time we were riding dinosaurs down on the mall. I ride a dinosaur a lot because I'm a ninja, and ninjas are the most bad ass of all mammals, so we can only ride the most bad-ass of all reptiles -- the dinosaur.

Anyhow, we're riding dinosaurs and we see our nemesis, the pirates riding polar bears. We totally flipped out and we killed them. Did I mention I'm a ninja? Ninjas are awesome.

Anyhow, we should hang out some time, because we're totally alike, you and me. I sometimes flip out on pirates riding polar bears, and you sometimes flip out on cops. And, it totally happens for real.


Haha, I think you made part of that up. Not calling you a liar or anything, but where I'm from, pirates ride panda bears because they have patches on their eyes too. Pirates can relate to them, ya know? Ninjas ride dragons, or *a* dragon since one dragon is long enough for a load of ninjas. The leader of the ninja clan gets to ride at the very front. Sometimes the ninjas and pirates come together in harmony to face their common enemy, the Viking. Vikings ride nothing. They're eight feet tall and their spit can burn through platinum. For real and for true.
 
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2010-08-30 05:58:57 PM
For every one of you who have argued this particular case with me - You have been trolled for a reason. I'm tired of hearing people berate the police without being able to articulate WHY the cops were wrong in their procedure and attitude. I set out to show that none of you had the temperament to be a cop despite your insistence that you know what a cop should do. CruiserTwelve remained civil & didn't bother to argue with me & Bell-fan was the only other one able to articulate what was wrong with Officer Rivieri and his handling of this problem. Even Bell-fan was unable to do so without losing his temper & becoming borderline verbally abusive (as the rest of you were). Bell-fan please do not become a cop with that attitude & if you are a cop; change proffesion.
 
2010-08-30 06:00:42 PM
The Larch: willy beamish II: i was skating one night and they threatened me. then we set a few of them up and hospitalized them

This reminds me of the time we were riding dinosaurs down on the mall. I ride a dinosaur a lot because I'm a ninja, and ninjas are the most bad ass of all mammals, so we can only ride the most bad-ass of all reptiles -- the dinosaur.

Anyhow, we're riding dinosaurs and we see our nemesis, the pirates riding polar bears. We totally flipped out and we killed them. Did I mention I'm a ninja? Ninjas are awesome.

Anyhow, we should hang out some time, because we're totally alike, you and me. I sometimes flip out on pirates riding polar bears, and you sometimes flip out on cops. And, it totally happens for real.


Dude, I totally remember that time we did that. I totally popped like, six million boners and then wailed on my guitar after it happened.
 
2010-08-30 06:03:13 PM
B A: For every one of you who have argued this particular case with me - You have been trolled for a reason. I'm tired of hearing people berate the police without being able to articulate WHY the cops were wrong in their procedure and attitude. I set out to show that none of you had the temperament to be a cop despite your insistence that you know what a cop should do. CruiserTwelve remained civil & didn't bother to argue with me & Bell-fan was the only other one able to articulate what was wrong with Officer Rivieri and his handling of this problem. Even Bell-fan was unable to do so without losing his temper & becoming borderline verbally abusive (as the rest of you were). Bell-fan please do not become a cop with that attitude & if you are a cop; change proffesion.

Thank you for the lesson, professor. Now what did I say that was borderline abusive?
 
2010-08-30 06:09:17 PM
B A: For every one of you who have argued this particular case with me - You have been trolled for a reason. I'm tired of hearing people berate the police without being able to articulate WHY the cops were wrong in their procedure and attitude. I set out to show that none of you had the temperament to be a cop despite your insistence that you know what a cop should do. CruiserTwelve remained civil & didn't bother to argue with me & Bell-fan was the only other one able to articulate what was wrong with Officer Rivieri and his handling of this problem. Even Bell-fan was unable to do so without losing his temper & becoming borderline verbally abusive (as the rest of you were). Bell-fan please do not become a cop with that attitude & if you are a cop; change proffesion.

Yeah, that's what you were doing.

Most people here articulated your wrongness quite clearly. Those who abused you for being a troll were, by your own "admission" here, right to abuse you for it. You should probably just let this one go.
 
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