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2010-08-30 12:41:20 PM  
I've made spaghetti alla carbonara and Hollandaise sauce this weekend so I'm getting a kick...

ArtosRC: I like my eggs scrambled, with the bottom slightly pan-singed.

I know singed doesn't necessarily mean burned, but the smell of burned eggs makes me gag.
 
2010-08-30 12:57:52 PM  
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Edipis: just like with beef, i'm not sure what the point of eating egg that has been cooked to rubber quite is.


I like my eggs over easy except for one exception.
Fry an egg til crispy in bacon grease, add 1 sausage patty, One slice pepper-jack cheese and put between two pieces of toast with a VERY thin layer of grape jelly.

Yes I am fat, why do you ask?

/Might sound gross with the jelly but it is awesome.


I had this for the first time this year except it was prepared by a friend i was visiting in Australia.... and he used vegemite in place of jelly.

Didn't really help the hangover as much as i thought it would.
 
2010-08-30 01:21:15 PM  
Masso: PersistantRash: Who the hell is eating raw eggs? Seriously, do we need to take measures to keep these people in the genepool? If you take health advice from the ROCKY movies, GTFO of my species.

I do... I mixed raw egg with congee. I soaked my bread in the yolk as part of my breakfast ritual. I know the risk, but screw that. Life would be boring if you just play it safe with everything.


All right then, GTFO of the genepool. You're pissing up the water. Seriously dude, imagine the argument you just made applied to auto-erotic asphyxiation.
 
2010-08-30 02:23:16 PM  
optikeye: Here's a vid of harvesting chickens in a modern farm. (new window)
And I'm a bad person for laughing at it.


That video, like most videos intended for activism, is a slight bit edited. They sped it up to make it look like chickens are being slung ripped from the world and shot into a hopper. It's much slower than that.

//I hate "activists".
 
2010-08-30 02:41:44 PM  
gojirast: robmilmel: Broken9754: "wave of diarrhea."

I prefer "Outpouring of Diarrhea".

I'm fond of "Diarrhea Explosion".



assplosion
 
2010-08-30 02:42:26 PM  
 
2010-08-30 02:50:48 PM  
I ate two dozen hillandale eggs over the past couple of weeks including some raw in various doughs and I didn't get sick. Of course, if you can build up an extra immunity to salmonella I'm probably invincible to it from eating eggs on my grandparents farm growing up. Now that I'm older and have to help take care of her some, and I see how she keeps eggs. Ick.

Chickens that eat bugs do lay much tastier eggs though. CHICKENS ARE NOT VEGETARIANS, stop feeding them "vegetarian" diets.

/My eggs come from the Amish,.. or the neighbors if the big rooster isn't paying attention...
 
2010-08-30 02:54:32 PM  
If I was king, I would pass a law making all sellers of unpasteurized eggs to have the words "UNPASTEURIZED--COOK THOROUGHLY BEFORE EATING" printed right on the carton.

Yeah, that's right. Eggs can be pasteurized, right in the shell, without cooking them. If you like your eggs runny, look for cartons of Pasteurized eggs, most larger grocers carry them.
 
2010-08-30 03:00:09 PM  
I'm glad it only took two posts for somebody to blame consumers for the poor conditions of commercial house houses. It wouldn't be Fark if someone didn't immediately jump in to the fray and blame customers for getting injured by defective products.
 
2010-08-30 03:20:52 PM  
Stonerbloopers: I ate two dozen hillandale eggs over the past couple of weeks including some raw in various doughs and I didn't get sick. Of course, if you can build up an extra immunity to salmonella I'm probably invincible to it from eating eggs on my grandparents farm growing up. Now that I'm older and have to help take care of her some, and I see how she keeps eggs. Ick.

Chickens that eat bugs do lay much tastier eggs though. CHICKENS ARE NOT VEGETARIANS, stop feeding them "vegetarian" diets.

/My eggs come from the Amish,.. or the neighbors if the big rooster isn't paying attention...


I worked for them up until 1996.
 
2010-08-30 03:22:59 PM  
Thanks, I'll just continue to buy my eggs from local butcher/farm operation. Yeah, I'll pay 3 times what I can get industrial eggs for at the grocery store. I can't stand hard cooked egg yolks unless they're deviled and I don't always want my eggs scrambled.
 
2010-08-30 03:52:41 PM  
snocone: Gamma irradiation of produce,extend the shelf life far eggs, chicken, beef and the like beyond where the food industry can make maximum profit The Hulk
It also prevents food poisoning.


FIFM
 
2010-08-30 04:10:45 PM  
I live in a suburb that is 5 Star, Tree Hugging, Merit City, Star City, or some such bull that causes useless signs(green only in color) to be planted.

Took me two years to get a permit for a storage shed on my double city lot. City is now against anythink that is not upscale dollhouse.

Can't wait to see result to chicken coop application. Got plenty of room down by the Victory Garden. Have a couple of apple trees there. Chickens should help keep down the bug damage to apples??

Family couple of blocks over raise turkeys. Not the white clones, real turkeys. Once a year a few get loose and wander around the neighborhood. So tame I had to pick one up to get it off hood of car. Prolly should have left it and driven it home, but they seem to go home at night by themselves. Chickens are not that smart.

Sounds like a new hobby. One question, how deep do you plant the chicks?
 
2010-08-30 04:12:47 PM  
So it seems to me that the problem here is that instead of relying on local smaller producers (who would take safety seriously lest they go out of business), we rely on giant faceless corporations who barely flinch when they fail to follow regulations and poison people, to save a few pennies an egg.

And this is better why?
 
2010-08-30 04:24:04 PM  
icam: I know singed doesn't necessarily mean burned, but the smell of burned eggs makes me gag.

Oh, no. Nowhere near close to being burned. The only things I like (somewhat) burned are hot dogs and bratwurst.
 
2010-08-30 04:28:10 PM  
And in Britain, where the industry voluntarily vaccinates chickens against Salmonella (new window), it is pretty darn safe to eat the raw eggs / uncooked cookie dough / home-made mayonnaise.

Why does Britain oppress the freedoms of egg producers to harm the public? Why doesn't Britain care about autistic eggs? Think of the embryos!
 
2010-08-30 04:30:47 PM  
Goimir:
gamma radiation is higher energy than an x-ray machine, and I don't like that either. Of all the things in my house, the only one that's likely been subjected to x-ray is my coffee.


No, it's not.
For example, in my lab we used a phillips orthovoltage xray machine for irradiation of cancer cells. The institute got it on the cheap-because it was retired from another hospital when they upgraded the machine they used to take simple films of broken arms and the like.
Seriously, try walking into a lab doing this.
The reason we use that kind of irradiator and not a cesium one is because the cesium ones limit the size and shape of what you're irradiating, and you can't do dosimetry with a bloody piece of film on it...

As for killing Salmonella on the shell, from what I understand UV works pretty darn good...of course, if you think that gamma irradiation is going to leave radiation behind, I imagine you also avoid things grown in sunlight.

Once again- any processed food you eat, from canned beans to dairy products, if processed in the US, went through at least one xray machine once.

/has inspected the damn places.
//got screamed at for wearing the wrong kind of bandaid on my neck when I was in a bloody cleansuit.
 
2010-08-30 04:37:24 PM  
Also, as I said, I love some backyard chicken people fiercely, and if my city could stop being idiots about the process I'd have some myself, but the fact remains that unless you can guarantee your yard never has a frog or a snake, and that no goose flying over takes a dump in your water, even vaccinated chickens are going to have eggs that get salmonella on the shell from the environment. Heck, the chicken lady 2 miles (and the next town) over has a farking iguana who wanders her yard...
 
2010-08-30 04:37:52 PM  
ProtoMeTheUs: 500 million eggs recalled?!

How are they not using those to make the world's largest omelet?


"Omelettes may be only partially cooked on the top side and not flipped, even prior to folding."

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2010-08-30 04:42:26 PM  
Tonka Truck: Human's bodies developed defenses against this type of contamination.

But no matter how tasty they are raw, free-range human bodies are hard to get and prepare properly.
 
2010-08-30 04:48:15 PM  
Eggs is dead, baby. Eggs is dead.

photogallery.truebloodnet.com
 
2010-08-30 06:38:02 PM  
KOMPRESSOR MAKE YOU EGG NOT FULLY COOKED. YOU GET BACTERIA IN YOUR BREAKFAST.
 
2010-08-30 06:47:51 PM  
LabGrrl: Goimir:
gamma radiation is higher energy than an x-ray machine, and I don't like that either. Of all the things in my house, the only one that's likely been subjected to x-ray is my coffee.


No, it's not.
For example, in my lab we used a phillips orthovoltage xray machine for irradiation of cancer cells. The institute got it on the cheap-because it was retired from another hospital when they upgraded the machine they used to take simple films of broken arms and the like.
Seriously, try walking into a lab doing this.
The reason we use that kind of irradiator and not a cesium one is because the cesium ones limit the size and shape of what you're irradiating, and you can't do dosimetry with a bloody piece of film on it...

As for killing Salmonella on the shell, from what I understand UV works pretty darn good...of course, if you think that gamma irradiation is going to leave radiation behind, I imagine you also avoid things grown in sunlight.

Once again- any processed food you eat, from canned beans to dairy products, if processed in the US, went through at least one xray machine once.

/has inspected the damn places.
//got screamed at for wearing the wrong kind of bandaid on my neck when I was in a bloody cleansuit.


I really don't care what you're using for irradiating, gamma rays are an order of magnitude more energetic (MeV vs keV) than the upper end of the X-ray spectrum. Producing them with a souped-up X-ray unit or the world's most extreme (and machine most likely to destroy the universe) spark-gap generator doesn't make a difference. The fact that you don't know this very basic fact about the electromagnetic spectrum speaks volumes about the industry or perhaps only relates to your interview skills.

I did buy canned beans the other day, because the wife wanted to make chili, and unless there's something I don't know, the farmers that I buy my milk from don't have an X-ray machine. I suppose the meat might be too, since that's from a grocery store.

I also never said that gamma radiation would make foods radioactive. I said it reduces vitamin content and alters protein structure (protein content stays the same as measured with current methods, but if structure weren't altered, this whole operation wouldn't be killing the bacteria, would it?)

There's also the issue of what becomes of the volatile compounds which are destroyed. They don't just disappear. What are they reduced to?
 
2010-08-30 06:48:04 PM  
Obviously, no one has paid attention to pots from someone that actually works in the industry.
 
2010-08-30 06:49:34 PM  
WTFDYW: Obviously, no one has paid attention to pots posts from someone that actually works in the industry.

Dammit. I know my eggs, but can't type
 
2010-08-30 07:39:19 PM  
Mock26: In order to get salmonella from eggs, it has to spread to the chickens that lay the eggs. Healthy chickens produce safe eggs.\

Yes but where do the chickens get the salmonella from, if not from the eggs?

/mind blown
 
2010-08-30 07:55:01 PM  
Goimir:
I really don't care what you're using for irradiating, gamma rays are an order of magnitude more energetic (MeV vs keV) than the upper end of the X-ray spectrum. Producing them with a souped-up X-ray unit or the world's most extreme (and machine most likely to destroy the universe) spark-gap generator doesn't make a difference. The fact that you don't know this very basic fact about the electromagnetic spectrum speaks volumes about the industry or perhaps only relates to your interview skills.

I did buy canned beans the other day, because the wife wanted to make chili, and unless there's something I don't know, the farmers that I buy my milk from don't have an X-ray machine. I suppose the meat might be too, since that's from a grocery store.


No, seriously, dosage is a factor of time, not just magnitude. Really. All you have to do is leave it in longer. Just, I mean, just google the damn formula, seriously...or go up to someone who does radiation safety and ask how monitoring works...
Or don't. I mean, it's clear you want to believe what you'll believe, so do as you will.
 
2010-08-30 09:08:12 PM  
What's a little salmonella? It gives your immune system something to do instead of eating away at your joints.
 
2010-08-30 09:13:27 PM  
LabGrrl: No, seriously, dosage is a factor of time, not just magnitude. Really. All you have to do is leave it in longer. Just, I mean, just google the damn formula, seriously...or go up to someone who does radiation safety and ask how monitoring works...
Or don't. I mean, it's clear you want to believe what you'll believe, so do as you will.


Wow, once again you completely miss the point of my post. Yes, dose of radiation is a product of energy of the beam over time. Different types of rays do different things, however, and higher energy beams may pass through more tissue without interacting, but may interact in different ways.


/not repeating the other points I made
//too tired
 
2010-08-30 09:19:25 PM  
Which were bad first? The chicken or the yegg?
 
2010-08-31 12:42:31 AM  
forteblast Quote 2010-08-30 02:32:19 AM
neener neener: snocone: Gamma irradiation of produce, eggs, chicken, beef and the like extend the shelf life far beyond where the food industry can make maximum profit.

It also prevents food poisoning.

Enjoy your demyelination.

Assuming you mean that you think he's going to irradiate his brain, because irradiated food carries residual radioactivity somehow, you are wrong. Read this.
Foods can be sterlised by passing gamma radiation through it. Why is it still safe to eat? Won't it become radioactive?

If you can't be bothered, the main point is that most things don't become radioactive just because they're exposed to radioactivity.

snocone [TotalFark] Quote 2010-08-30 03:00:49 AM
neener neener: snocone: Gamma irradiation of produce, eggs, chicken, beef and the like extend the shelf life far beyond where the food industry can make maximum profit.

It also prevents food poisoning.

Enjoy your demyelination.

This is why we can not have safe things, stupidity.

Not what you think it means.

Oh nos, the radiations, the radiations!

When you believe in things you don't understand,,,



You're both full of fail. Cats in Australia fed irradiated food suffered severe demylination, not because the food was radioactive but because of the radiation's effect on the food. But don't let that stop you from spreading the misinformation that irradiated food is oh-so-safe. Talk about lack of under standing. Idiots.

"The Australian government in late May ordered an immediate stop to sterilizing cat food via irradiation after reviewing scientific studies pointing to food irradiation as the culprit behind illnesses characterized by ataxia or paralysis of the limbs, especially the hind limbs. How irradiation may be causing food to become toxic to cats is unknown."

Link (new window)
 
2010-08-31 09:23:35 AM  
LabGrrl: even vaccinated chickens are going to have eggs that get salmonella on the shell from the environment.

Yes, but it's easier to kill the salmonella on the shell than it is to kill it if it's gotten inside the shell.

I haven't fully verified, but I know the eggs I buy are sterilized externally, I just have to check to see if the hens are vaccinated, as I don't think they pasturize them.

I see two methods that should more or less 'make eggs safe'

1. Pasturization - You can start with dirty eggs, the process kills any infection. Problem: People claim it changes the taste/texture of eggs, and they don't like it.
2. Vaccination & egg washing - you vaccinate the hens to prevent them from transmitting Salmonella to the inside of the eggs, then wash the outside or otherwise sterilize it. Cons - perhaps a tad more expensive than the above, isn't effective post-laying, but you're probably going to want to wash the eggs anyways.

Both are cheap once you're set up to do it, and I remember reading that something like 2/3rds of egg-hens are already vaccinated.
 
2010-08-31 10:10:55 AM  
pasteurization sure as shiat DOES change the taste and texture of ANYTHING THAT GETS PASTEURIZED. and don't say it's not cooking it, because it is. that's what pasteurization is - it's heating something to a specific temperature for a specific length of time.

next you idiots will tell me i cant have fresh-squeezed orange juice because it, too, must be pasteurized. YUCK!

the immune system needs exercise, too. now if you'll excuse me, i have to sop up the egg yolk with some buttered toast.

i would hate to live in your overcooked, flavorless world.
 
2010-08-31 10:20:30 AM  
Ball of Confusion: i would hate to live in your overcooked, flavorless world.

I live in Chicagoland too....
 
2010-08-31 03:27:59 PM  
Ball of Confusion: pasteurization sure as shiat DOES change the taste and texture of ANYTHING THAT GETS PASTEURIZED. and don't say it's not cooking it, because it is. that's what pasteurization is - it's heating something to a specific temperature for a specific length of time.

Not sure if this is in response to me or not, but I feel the need to point out that I don't dispute that. I say 'claim' because it's not something I've personally verified. Like I said, I think my eggs are unpasturized.

the immune system needs exercise, too. now if you'll excuse me, i have to sop up the egg yolk with some buttered toast.

Now you're just making me hungry. Personally, I think I favor option #2.
 
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