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(Chicago Breaking News)   Chicago police and prosecutors bring in the leaders of west side gangs and tell them we know who you are and we will hold you responsible for any killings. Well...WHY NOT ARREST THEM THERE? JESUS CHRIST, THEY WERE IN YOUR GRASP   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 107
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2010-08-29 12:42:33 PM
Ahh crap! Now Pet shop boys is stuck in my head.

/yes, I'm old
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-08-29 12:51:32 PM
I have Pet Shop Boys too.

/also old
 
2010-08-29 12:53:11 PM
I didn't have Pet Side Boys in my head till I read the thread.
 
2010-08-29 01:02:30 PM
SilentStrider: I didn't have Pet Side Boys in my head till I read the thread.

Call the police there's a madman around (new window)
 
2010-08-29 01:32:45 PM
I guess TEM's "GODDAMMITSOMUCH" key was broke, so he switched it up
 
2010-08-29 01:55:18 PM
Well here's a clue. It's Chicago.
 
2010-08-29 02:45:57 PM
torch: Well here's a clue. It's Chicago.

West Side gangbangers are as much a part of the Daley machine as Barack Obama.
 
2010-08-29 02:49:51 PM
soze: torch: Well here's a clue. It's Chicago.

West Side gangbangers are as much a part of the Daley machine as Barack Obama.


Let me guess, you also think the World Bank is a Jewish, Zionist conspiracy too?
 
2010-08-29 02:52:37 PM
carnifex2005: soze: torch: Well here's a clue. It's Chicago.

West Side gangbangers are as much a part of the Daley machine as Barack Obama.

Let me guess, you also think the World Bank is a Jewish, Zionist conspiracy too?


It's not?
 
2010-08-29 02:53:25 PM
Warriors, come out and plaaaaaaay!
 
2010-08-29 02:53:31 PM
Because being a leader of a gang is not illegal.
 
2010-08-29 02:54:01 PM
Just a friendly reminder- murder is still a crime, and we're supposed to arrest you for it. So don't, or we'll have to arrest you.

Thank you. That is all.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

Sorry, is there actually a "gang council" where the big gang leaders all gather around a long table with Al Pacino or Bad Horse or whatever at the head?
 
2010-08-29 02:56:06 PM
Completely and totally useless gesture. If the gangs think that their leader is becoming weak and listening to the police then he will be killed and replaced.
 
2010-08-29 02:56:48 PM
Nobodyn0se: Because being a leader of a gang is not illegal.

Illegal gang (new window)
 
2010-08-29 02:58:03 PM
secretly met with a group of West Side gang leaders at the Garfield Park Conservatory, informing them over snacks and beverages that they would be held directly accountable for shootings and other violent crimes committed by their gangs.

I wonder what sort of snaks and beverages would be required to get gang leaders to meet at the park?
 
2010-08-29 02:58:11 PM
If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.
 
2010-08-29 02:58:17 PM
SilentStrider: I didn't have Pet Side Boys in my head till I read the thread.



what have you done to deserve this?
 
2010-08-29 02:58:21 PM
Nobodyn0se: Because being a leader of a gang is not illegal.

It should be.
 
2010-08-29 02:58:44 PM
The English Major: SilentStrider: I didn't have Pet Side Boys in my head till I read the thread.

Call the police there's a madman around (new window)

I needed this help because I was trying to remember which PSB song it was...
/old...
/lawns, etc...
 
2010-08-29 02:59:28 PM
Nobodyn0se: Because being a leader of a gang is not illegal.

www.nndb.com

Agrees.
 
2010-08-29 03:00:09 PM
Mock26: Completely and totally useless gesture. If the gangs think that their leader is becoming weak and listening to the police then he will be killed and replaced.

There is also that. Which is why the leaders have to be clever enough to not appear soft while simultaneously weakening their support system. They should really be talking to politicians about this, they have way more experience pretending to be tough while being slimy as f*ck and not getting killed.
 
2010-08-29 03:00:26 PM
IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

Gang members killing each other is a solution to the problem
 
2010-08-29 03:02:50 PM
In other words, prosecutors in Chicago just remembered about RICO.
 
2010-08-29 03:04:27 PM
jehovahs witness protection: Ahh crap! Now Pet shop boys is stuck in my head.

/yes, I'm old


It makes my old head hurt.
 
2010-08-29 03:04:40 PM
Investigators tried to make it "a very congenial meeting" with the gang leaders, who were mainly from the Traveling Vice Lords, Weis said. But "they got up and walked out."

and while doing so quoted G.W. Bush: "Bring it on."
 
2010-08-29 03:04:56 PM
So they basically told them flat out that they have no incriminating evidence on them?
 
2010-08-29 03:05:19 PM
stirfrybry: IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

Gang members killing each other is a solution to the problem


The problem is they can't aim for shiat so most of the bullets end up in houses and kids playing on the sidewalk instead.
 
2010-08-29 03:07:43 PM
Did they hand out strongly worded pamphlets in English or Spanish.
 
2010-08-29 03:08:45 PM
soze: stirfrybry: IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

Gang members killing each other is a solution to the problem

The problem is they can't aim for shiat so most of the bullets end up in houses and kids playing on the sidewalk instead.


I agree. And the solution to that problem is for the urban culture to reject thugs instead of looking up to them.
 
2010-08-29 03:10:59 PM
stirfrybry: soze: stirfrybry: IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

Gang members killing each other is a solution to the problem

The problem is they can't aim for shiat so most of the bullets end up in houses and kids playing on the sidewalk instead.

I agree. And the solution to that problem is for the urban culture to reject thugs instead of looking up to them.


It's more complex than that. Check out Sudhir Venkatesh's works on the Robert Taylor Homes. American Project is a good place to start, it talks a lot about why simple rejection is nice on the face but more factors are in play.
 
2010-08-29 03:12:11 PM
Nobodyn0se: Because being a leader of a gang is not illegal.

no..but being the ringleader of an ongoing criminal conspiracy is...at least thats my understanding

IANAL
 
2010-08-29 03:13:26 PM
I'll bet Chicago Animal Control reasons with rabid pitbulls to turn themselves in for treatment and rehabilitation. They probably have the same rate of success too, if not better.
 
2010-08-29 03:14:02 PM
But tghe good news is Chicago leaders will continue to improve neighborhood safety with more parking tickets and red light cameras.

Gotta love the criminal justice industrial complex: they actually get some people who need to be locked up in a room, and they let them go! Oh well, I guess they need all that jail space for potheads and people who haven't paid traffic tickets.
 
2010-08-29 03:14:22 PM
IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

Shhh...you're being pragmatic and reasonable, and that's not allowed in this thread of OMG ARREST THEMMMMMMM!

/sue the gun sellers
 
2010-08-29 03:15:08 PM
www.webwombat.com.au
 
2010-08-29 03:15:09 PM
People whose family members were killed because of gang violence also attended, to urge the gangs to stop the shootings. Daley said giving the criminals the victims' perspective is important, because gang members live in the neighborhoods where shootings occur.

apparently Daley never heard of turf wars. you know, where the neighborhood gangs compete with each other.

"It's the idea that you have to show from the victims' side, that's what they were showing," Daley said. "It's the families who come up and say 'That's my son or daughter. Remember? They lived down the block. You know our families. You know our children.' "

"remember Jamal, the guy with the blue bandanna? you know, last seen walking through that area the bloods call their turf. such a fine young man."
 
2010-08-29 03:16:19 PM
I guess the cops were afraid that if they pulled a knife, the gang leaders would pull a gun.

Probably even more weary of the fact that if they sent one of the gang leaders to the hospital, surely the gang leaders would see to it that one of theirs was sent to the morgue.

Apparently, THAT'S the Chicago way!
 
2010-08-29 03:19:54 PM
cmb53208: But tghe good news is Chicago leaders will continue to improve neighborhood safety with more parking tickets and red light cameras.

Gotta love the criminal justice industrial complex: they actually get some people who need to be locked up in a room, and they let them go! Oh well, I guess they need all that jail space for potheads and people who haven't paid traffic tickets.


THIS
 
2010-08-29 03:21:30 PM
soze: stirfrybry: soze: stirfrybry: IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

Gang members killing each other is a solution to the problem

The problem is they can't aim for shiat so most of the bullets end up in houses and kids playing on the sidewalk instead.

I agree. And the solution to that problem is for the urban culture to reject thugs instead of looking up to them.

It's more complex than that. Check out Sudhir Venkatesh's works on the Robert Taylor Homes. American Project is a good place to start, it talks a lot about why simple rejection is nice on the face but more factors are in play.


Yeah, It's more complicated than simple rejection, but the solution really does lie in the hands of the community. People have to be willing to stand together when someone makes the brave move of snitching. When everyone is afraid to get involved, those who use intimidation and fear will have the upper hand. They will be able to control

just loom at mexico lately

they even have TV stations keeping quiet
 
2010-08-29 03:23:55 PM
cryptozoophiliac: carnifex2005: soze: torch: Well here's a clue. It's Chicago.

West Side gangbangers are as much a part of the Daley machine as Barack Obama.

Let me guess, you also think the World Bank is a Jewish, Zionist conspiracy too?

It's not?


Can't be a conspiracy when everybody knows.

It's pretty obvious that Obama needs the gangsters for his death panels, so they won't be arrested.
 
2010-08-29 03:25:10 PM
Here's a solution - if it can be proven that you belong to a street gang, you get shot on sight.

Sure, it will never happen - too many libs crying about "but he was just a boy", but I'd bet that within about 6 months, gangs would be a thing of the past. Yeah, some poor misguided kids would get caught up, but it would end with this generation.
 
Mef
2010-08-29 03:26:53 PM
But if they stop the killings won't that drive down voter turnout on election day?
 
2010-08-29 03:28:29 PM
Occam's Nailfile: Here's a solution - if it can be proven that you belong to a street gang, you get shot on sight.

Sure, it will never happen - too many libs crying about "but he was just a boy", but I'd bet that within about 6 months, gangs would be a thing of the past. Yeah, some poor misguided kids would get caught up, but it would end with this generation.


Us commies would probably be crying about things like due process, and other antiquated notions unfamiliar with modern fascists like yourself.

Summary executions! Fabulous idea!

/ Why do you hate America?
 
2010-08-29 03:30:25 PM
jepzilla: In other words, prosecutors in Chicago just remembered about RICO.

www.zuguide.com
Rico in question?
 
2010-08-29 03:31:42 PM
IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

THIS.

There is actually strong evidence to support this statement. All you have to do is look at the gang structures after the Feds took down the leaders of the GDs in Chicago. They took out all of the top leadership, resulting in a massive gang war as cliques turned on each other to maintain profits in the new open drug market.
 
2010-08-29 03:35:42 PM
brought them in to offer them leadership positions in the new army
 
2010-08-29 03:35:52 PM
c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com

APPROVES

/obscure?
//no...now get off my lawn.
///hot
 
2010-08-29 03:43:04 PM
Occam's Nailfile: Here's a solution - if it can be proven that you belong to a street gang, you get shot on sight.

Sure, it will never happen - too many libs crying about "but he was just a boy" "this flies in the face of everything that America stands for", but I'd bet that within about 6 months, gangs would be a thing of the past. Yeah, some poor misguided kids high schoolers who were just hanging out with their friends would get caught up, but it would end with this generation.


Quick question: How do you tell the difference between someone who is in a gang, and someone who is hanging out on the street with a group of his friends, like pretty much every single person does in school?

Oh, the illegal activities, you say?

Well, don't we have-you know-LAWS about those sorts of things?
 
2010-08-29 03:43:04 PM
I like the part about towing their cars...if there are outstanding violations...that's it, gangs loose.

Oddly enough there were only like four shootings on the West Side between Friday and Saturday. It is working.

That is the whole point of becoming upper management in enterprises like this. It's not exactly the corporate veil but it's pretty close.
 
2010-08-29 04:01:10 PM
DeathByGeekSquad: IAmRight: If you arrest the leaders, then someone rises up to take their place. Someone you don't know as much about, someone you then have to discover all anew. Gangs really don't give much of a sh*t about police; respect is given strictly within the framework of the gangs. If you can get the gang leaders, who have far more power over gang members than police, to prevent extra deaths, that is a lot more effective than any arrest is going to be.

THIS.

There is actually strong evidence to support this statement. All you have to do is look at the gang structures after the Feds took down the leaders of the GDs in Chicago. They took out all of the top leadership, resulting in a massive gang war as cliques turned on each other to maintain profits in the new open drug market.


This, again, for emphasis.
 
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